How would Holder Hold Up on Civil Justice Issues?

by: Drum Major Institute

Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 19:45


Written by DMI's Civil Justice Fellow, Kia Franklin.
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He still has to undergo the formal vetting process, but Eric Holder looks to be Obama's AG pick. So, how will Holder hold up when it comes to civil justice? On TortDeform we've talked extensively about a Pro-Civil Justice Presidential Platform, but access to justice for every American requires leadership and hard work from more than just the President. "America's lawyer" and "top cop", the Attorney General, has perhaps the most important role in advancing policies that preserve Americans' cherished legal rights and strengthen their access to effective, fair civil courts.

We must pay close attention here. As former AGs John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzales taught us so well, the AG has a critical role in protecting--or subverting--our cherished constitutional rights and protections. In the coming weeks as we learn more about his positions on various issues I'll do my best to keep you updated.

In the mean time, three quick things worth considering are: Holder's past efforts to advance equal access to justice; his ties to the progressive-leaning constitutional law group, American Constitution Society; and some insights from the balanced analysis of Glenn Greenwald at Salon. More below the fold.  

Drum Major Institute :: How would Holder Hold Up on Civil Justice Issues?
1. As Deputy AG, Holder was part of an initiative to bring more diversity into the legal profession and ensure that "the profession provides full service to communities of color so that those communities can enjoy equal access to our system of justice." This may indicate a willingness on his part to engage the civil justice community on access to justice issues like Civil Gideon and binding mandatory arbitration, among others.

2. Holder is an influential Board Member for the American Constitution Society. ACS, while not a political organization, represents many of the progressive values that guide the access to justice movement. In fact, ACS's Access to Justice Group "addresses barriers to access to our civil justice system, including... efforts to strip courts of jurisdiction, raise procedural hurdles, remove classes of cases from federal court, insulate wrongdoers from suit, limit remedies and deprive legal aid services of resources. It focuses attention on ways to ensure that our justice system is truly available to all." (emph. added)

3. I wanted to point out what is probably the most helpful analysis I've found so far, coming from Glenn Greenwald at Salon. Greenwald gives a cautious, preliminary nod of approval to the Holder pick, weighing the known blemishes on Holder's record (the Marc Rich pardon issue being the most frequently cited) against the shining points (independence from Obama, willingness to take strong positions in favor of constitutional rights, even if in stark contrast to the President) to conclude that Holder will likely be an effective protector of the American people's constitutional rights.

As more information emerges, this conversation should continue. Why is the AG so important in the context of our legal rights? So many reasons, but check out this oldie/goodie from TalkLeft, which quotes Senators (Vice President-elect) Joe Biden, Patrick Leahy, Maria Cantwell, Russ Feingold, and others about the importance of the AG's role.  


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Diversity in the legal profession (0.00 / 0)
is like saying military intelligence.  

empirically false (0.00 / 0)
Integration and affirmative action were pioneered by the law schools.

Although it is true that some sectors of the legal community are overwhelmingly white and male.

The truth about Saxby Chambliss


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Your post is like one of those drug commercials (0.00 / 0)
where they tell you the side effects at the end.  

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and your post was simply wrong (0.00 / 0)
And bar associations and law schools around the country could throw reams of statistics at you to prove it.

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if you say so (0.00 / 0)
but then those same bars and law schools are well  known for manipulating stats. not to mention that said stats are self selecting even with the bar and law school manipulation and not to mentnion said stats say nothing about the profession. i believe it is somewhere around half of law students go on to not practice law. i can certainly play this game with you, but my central thesis remains. the legal practice generally is not very diverse when compared to other professions.

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i have to agree w/ bruh (0.00 / 0)
i went to a school that took diversity very seriously, but most of my colleagues had different experiences. and once you start talking about private practice? forget about it. i read a blog recently about holder's lawfirm and the experiences of staff attorneys there, a disprop num. of which are of color.

yuck.

but i pointed out holder's affiliation w/ the goal of increasing diversity in the profession as a source of potential hope that as AG he'll be a little bit sensitive to the cause of civil justice.


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troubling words (0.00 / 0)
From Greenwald's piece - shortly after 9/11:

HOLDER:  One of the things we clearly want to do with these prisoners is to have an ability to interrogate them and find out what their future plans might be, where other cells are located; under the Geneva Convention that you are really limited in the amount of information that you can elicit from people.

It seems to me that given the way in which they have conducted themselves, however, that they are not, in fact, people entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention. They are not prisoners of war. If, for instance, Mohammed Atta had survived the attack on the World Trade Center, would we now be calling him a prisoner of war? I think not. Should Zacarias Moussaoui be called a prisoner of war? Again, I think not.


and then:

BLITZER: As opposed to John Walker, these are not U.S. citizens. There may be a few British citizens there, but what happens to these guys? Are they just going to stay at Guantanamo Bay forever?

HOLDER: Interesting question. It seems to me you can think of these people as combatants and we are in the middle of a war, and it seems to me that you could probably say, looking at precedent, that you are going to detain these people until war is over, if that is ultimately what we wanted to do.

I think you have a basis for saying that. We had the Vietnam War, we had World War II, people were captured during the course of that war were not repatriated until the conclusion of the conflict. So, it's possible they could be there for an extended period of time.  


Greenwald says:

I personally discount -- not entirely but somewhat -- what people said and did in the immediate aftermath of the trauma of 9/11.

I don't.

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Pretty stringent test (0.00 / 0)
If your test is to only permit people who managed to keep their cool in the aftermath of 9/11, you're not going to have many people to choose from. 99 Senators voted for the PATRIOT act. George W. Bush had a 90% approval rating. Anthrax was arriving in the mail and everybody was freaking out.

I'm not saying it should be ignored, but a lot of people had momentary lapses of judgment around that time that don't necessarily reflect their normal thinking.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!


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disagree (0.00 / 0)
We need one person to run the Department of Justice. ONE. It's not too much to ask that Obama find an Attorney General who adheres to the principles of the Constitution in spite of the times. Are you saying that you don't know anyone who was concerned about the abridgment of civil liberties after 9/11? Hmmm, how about Obama himself and Feingold? And those people are politicians who were concerned about being on the their popularity. I'm sure there are a number of qualified attorneys (not politicians) who shared our (or at least my) concern about civil liberties after 9/11.

The point is, if something awful happened again, we shouldn't have to worry about how our Attorney General would act.

The truth about Saxby Chambliss


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Well (4.00 / 1)
They are not prisoners of war. If, for instance, Mohammed Atta had survived the attack on the World Trade Center, would we now be calling him a prisoner of war? I think not. Should Zacarias Moussaoui be called a prisoner of war? Again, I think not.

I agree completely with this.  Terrorists are criminals, not enemy combatants.  One of the great failures of the Bush administration was to treat the fight against terrorism as a war.

However, this probably is not true of those picked up in Iraq during fighting, those are legitimate enemy combatants.

The legal issues are complex.  The Bush administration aways took the side that was politically convenient.  We need to be careful not to assume anyone who agrees with some portion of what Bush said is necessarily bad.  When it comes to their legal justifications, they were probably technically correct about half the time; again, just going with the answer that best suited their needs at the time.

None of this justifies torture.  Regardless of any technical, legal details we all must agree that torture is not permitted in any circumstance.


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But see... (0.00 / 0)
Professor Anthony Sebok has an article on civil justice litigation in the new administration.  To the extent that Obama himself has mentioned civil justice issues it has been to make himself look more of a maverick than a traditional liberal on the issue.  He voted for the class action reform litigation, which represented a Bush-led effort to curb class action lawsuits by placing them in federal courts where conservatives anticipate the usage of more procedural hurdles.

http://dissentingjustice.blogs...


read that article (0.00 / 0)
i like his argument that we shld be paying closer attn to the senate if we're looking to influence tort policy in a way that could advance the needs of ordinary people and not just corporations. sebok argues that obama will likely support congress if they show this kind of leadership, but may not be the champion of such a cause himself.

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