Lizard People Eating Franken Votes

by: tremayne

Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 22:57


Senator Norm Coleman's lead over Democratic challenger Al Franken shrunk again today but not by very much. The latest figures show a deficit of 120 for Franken with 64 percent of votes recounted. At this rate when all the votes have been recounted Franken will still trail and the outcome will depend on hundreds of ballots challenged by each campaign as well as a court fight over some rejected absentee ballots.

The odd thing today is that Franken lost a lot of votes in big Democratic-leaning counties where he had been doing well. The most likely explanation: a conspiracy of the Lizard People. 

Here's an update of the chart I used last night:

Part of the Minnesota Vote Original Votes % Recounted Franken Gain/Loss Still to Come?
Big pro-Franken counties 905000 58% in +23 +17 ?
Big pro-Coleman counties 724000 61% in +33 +21 ?
Small counties (Coleman) 793000 73% in +39
+15 ?

Those are some big changes from last night's version. Details ahead.

 

tremayne :: Lizard People Eating Franken Votes

Okay, here's how it looked last night:

Part of the Minnesota Vote Original Votes % Recounted Franken Gain/Loss
Still to Come?
Big pro-Franken counties 905000 38% in +72 +118?
Big pro-Coleman counties 724000 46% in +18 +21?
Small counties (Coleman) 793000 55% in -11 -9?

The Big pro-Franken counties are Hennepin, Ramsey and St. Louis and this is where Franken took a big hit today. He went from a gain of 72 to just 23 now. In each county he lost votes and the swing was particularly bad in Hennepin where he went from +14 through yesterday to -16 now.

Franken had gained 18 votes in some medium-to-big pro-Coleman counties through yesterday and did even better today gaining 15 more even though relatively few additional ballots were recounted.

But the small counties were the big gainers for Franken today where he went from -11 through yesterday to +39 now (a 50 vote swing). Much of that came from Meeker county. In additonal to Franken winning a lot of recounted votes there his campaign challenged a bunch of ballots, challenges the Coleman campaign characterized as frivolous:

Coleman officials taped 51 ballots challenged by Franken officials on a wall and podium and labeled them “Franken’s Frivolous Follies.” Most the ballots were from Meeker County and marked with an X rather than a filled in oval.

There appears to be a lot of that kind of challenging going on from both sides, 848 challenges from Franken's team, 821 from Coleman's.

If the pace continues as it has so far (and it probably won't, given the big shifts from yesterday) then Franken would gain another 53 votes and come up 67 short in the first phase of the recount. The second phase will be the counting of the challenged ballots and there's still the issue of the rejected/uncounted absentee ballots.

To catch up Franken needs something to break his way, like:

1. Perhaps the precincts counted in Hennepin and the other pro-Franken counties were pro-Coleman and the inner-city ballots will turn up more Franken ballots. I don't know which precincts within the counties were counted.

2. Perhaps the Franken ballot challenges are less frivolous than the Coleman campaign challenges. I'm not sure how this would work but I suppose it's possible.

3. The lowest percentage of ballots recounted are still in pro-Franken areas. The problem is, he has performed worse in those counties than in ones which favored Coleman. But with roughly 380,000 votes still to be examined in those big counties, Franken might be able to find those additional 67 votes I think he'll need.

ADD 4. Win the absentee fight and win a big enough margin there.


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The recount tallies are meaningless. (0.00 / 0)
  I'm going to (try) stop paying attention.

John McCain lets lobbyists shape his economic policy

Good idea. (4.00 / 1)
>>I'm going to (try) stop paying attention.

That's the ticket.

Outside of Al Franken, his staffers, and his lawyers there's nothing any of us can do about this now.  Find something else to spend your energy on.

What happens happens and we'll go on in approximately the same fashion either way.  Focus instead on how we'll get health care passed, on jobs, on the environment.  The election is over.  Time to think about why you care about them to begin with and try to do something about it.  Most of us will not be working for the administration or a congress person.  How to make our voices heard in this climate.  That's what we need to worry about.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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Admire this lizard specimen to distract yourself from the recount (4.00 / 3)


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How come Kirk never has his gun? (0.00 / 0)


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Duh, (4.00 / 1)
He was beamed to the surface by this alien guy along with the captain of the other ship in order to fight to the death. His gun was removed. But, don't worry... at the stunning conclusion he builds a gun out and shoots the other captain.

...

On second thought, let's assume I made all that stuff up and have no idea.


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I watched the whole thing and (0.00 / 0)
came to the conclusion that some of that stuff was fake.

That was a real nailbiter, though. Had me on the edge of my seat.


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The gold standard of lizard people (0.00 / 0)
That is the paradigm, pop-culture lizard person of America. I feel a high degree of confidence when I say that the person who voted for the lizard people was probably thinking of that beast when s/he wrote those words.

I'm going to a costumers convention in Boston in January, and it's my great regret that I lack the skill to recreate that critter.


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Have people in Minnesota .. (0.00 / 0)
tried dressing up as Lizard people .. and tried harassing(in a light hearted way) Coleman's people .. you know .. like a real attack of the lizard people .. or would Franken rather have his supporters be all business?

Rutherford the Brave for Senate! (0.00 / 0)
I'm never never going back there
And I couldn't if I tried
Cause I come from the land of Lizards
But the Lizards they have died!

how many rejected absentee ballots (0.00 / 0)
are there statewide, and is there a realistic chance of getting these considered in every county?

I am not confident Franken will make up enough votes at the canvassing board. Not if his campaign is challenging ballots with an X by Coleman instead of a filled in oval.

Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.


Franken will probably get those votes back (0.00 / 0)
Don't panic.

Apparently the Coleman people are aggressively challenging ballots if there's any kind of stray mark.  It shouldn't be surprising that at this point, whoever is ahead in a given region is going to lose more votes.

But all those challenged votes go into a separate pile where they get counted again at the end.  This means that if Coleman's people are challenging ballots gratuitously, it won't work.


Sounds similar to FL in 2000 (0.00 / 0)
If memory serves, the newspaper consortium study of the Florida 2000 presidential election concluded that if the recount of just the most heavily Democratic counties that Gore wanted recounted had gone forward, Gore would have lost anyway, and by a slightly larger margin. The bulk of uncounted votes that would have won the election for Gore (if they had recounted the entire state instead) actually came from the more predominantly Republican areas.

FL (0.00 / 0)
Not only was it red counties in FL, but OVERVOTES, not undervotes.  They found that Gore only makes up the gap by counting people who both filled in the Gore circle and wrote in his name on optical scan ballots that were read as overvotes mostly in the rural red counties.

The ultimate irony of the 2000 election is that the one path for Gore to win was to recount both overvotes and undervotes in all counties, not just the Dem counties in South Florida.  That is exactly what James Baker said would be the only fair way to recount the state, while every scenario that Gore tried to implement leads to him losing.


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Enough of Lizard People Eating Franken Ballots (0.00 / 0)
I want to see more stories about the Mud People eating Franken ballots.  

Saxby Chambliss, worse than disgraceful; he's reprehensible.  

Ooops. That should be Clay People (0.00 / 0)
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