Ghettoization & The Difference Between Politics & Policy

by: David Sirota

Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 16:30


"This is the violin model: Hold power with the left hand, and play the music with your right," David J. Rothkopf, a former Clinton official who wrote a history of the National Security Council, said on Friday, as news of Mrs. Clinton's and Mr. Geithner's appointments leaked.

This quote, from the New York Times story asserting that Barack Obama will govern from the center-right, highlights a very important dynamic in politics: the tendency of politicians to use the argot of progressivism in their public presentations (to "hold power with the left hand") - all while wielding conservative policy ("playing the music with your right").

There's nothing surprising about this - the reason endangered politicians of both parties start airing populist progressive themes around election time is because they know those themes are popular among rank-and-file voters (thus the definition of "populism") - they know, in other words, that this is a decidedly center-left country, and when they have to answer to that country come election day, they go left. But once these politicians get into office and are far away from all of us, the unwashed masses, the pressures of money and media - ie. the Establishment - unleashes incredible pressure for them to actually write the details of policy in a way that preserves the conservative status quo.

Enter the Obama administration.

While there's not enough evidence to declare a full-on "trend" in the incoming Obama White House, it is notable that Obama's policy appointments (ie. Cabinet secretaries and White House policy advisers who actually craft policy) are almost all right-of-center, Establishment choices - and almost none are, as The Nation's Chris Hayes has said, movement progressives. At the same time, many Obama appointments to exclusively political positions - that is, positions that are focused on selling policy, whatever that policy may be - are terrific movement progressives, people like Mike Lux (transition outreach to progressive orgs), Ellen Moran (communications director), Phil Schiliro (congressional liason) and Patrick Gaspard (political director). In other words, the initial structure seems to resemble the principle in American politics of politicians publicly selling their policies in progressive terms, while having those policies be crafted with much more conservative ideology.

David Sirota :: Ghettoization & The Difference Between Politics & Policy
Intra-administration ideological ghettoization isn't new. The last Democratic administration engaged in its share of conservative-progressive ghettoization - but rather than making the policy/politics barrier the wall of the two ghettos, it divided the two ideologies between the cabinet offices with different jurisdictions. The cabinet offices that oversaw economic regulation and defense largely went to conservatives, and the cabinet offices with powerful grassroots progressive constituencies like Labor, EPA, I and HUD went to progressives.

The potential ghettoization in the Obama administration - and I stress again, it's only the potential - is one where the policy sculptors are center-right Establishmentarians, and where the policy marketers (ie. the political team) is comprised of people who know how to package and sell policies in the language of progressivism, and sell those policies to progressive activists, a progressive-dominated Democratic congressional caucus and a center-left public at large. Certainly, Obama may mimic the Clinton administration and give Labor, EPA, Interior and HUD to progressives as well, but the politics-policy divide nonetheless seems to be the defining progressive-conservative boundary right now.

Obviously, the division of responsibility is never totally cut and dry. As Karl Rove showed, a White House political team can have a lot of influence over policy. So we can't draw any hard and fast conclusions about what this will mean in the Obama administration. It's very possible that the progressive political team will have a lot of policy say.

That said, I do think it is important for progressives to understand the difference between the policy and political machinery of an administration. Ghettoizing conservatives into the policy machine (to "play the music") and progressives into the political machine (to help Obama "hold power") would not bode well for all the progressive policy promises Obama made during the campaign. After all, if the details of policy are being forged by center-right Establishment insiders, those policies are more likely (though certainly not guaranteed) to represent a fairly center-right Establishment viewpoint, no matter how well those policies are draped in the salesmanship of a progressive political machinery.

This gets to the fundamental question about Obama that nobody really knows. Does Obama believe that in order to be a successful president and right the economy, he has to fulfill the decidedly progressive policy promises he made during the campaign? Or does he believe that if he combines his own personal salesmanship talents with a strong political team that is skilled at the language of progressivism, he can sell a right-of-center Establishment agenda as huge "change?"

Nobody knows the answer to this - and those who say they do are arguing with the same ridiculed faith that George W. Bush cited when he said he knew Vladimir Putin was a good guy because he looked into the Russian autocrat's eyes. The truth is, we just don't know what Obama thinks his path should be.

That's why it is important to keep a close eye on how the new administration is being constructed. The strategies we create to enact a progressive agenda (and I assume that, and not just Democratic Party dominance, is what progressives want) will have to be calibrated for the kind of administration that is ultimately built. An administration that has right-of-center policy sculptors and left-of-center policy sellers will have to be worked with differently than, say, an administration with progressive policy sculptors and conservative policy sellers.

Again, I'm not saying the administration is built yet, or that the initial staffing decisions delineate a full-fledged trend. But we should watch closely to see if a trend does, indeed, develop.


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This distinction is one of the best ... (4.00 / 7)
...arguments I've heard on the situation so far.

There you go again David... (0.00 / 0)
With your racist, anti-Obama rhetoric. :)

Seriously, during the primaries, I thought that this was exactly the way Obama would govern if election, in many ways just like Clinton did. Defense, Treasury, etc.--the departments where the money and military power is held--will be controlled by a center right philosophy, while, as you write, the more "progressive" areas of government--the environment, for example--will have greater progressive representation.

That Obama functions so well as a "progressive pitchman" is why so many people refuse to believe that his centrist picks will lead to centrist governing. Because they "know" Obama, they are sure he is a progressive, despite any evidence to that.  


Ok here is the evidence so far (2.00 / 4)
people like his policies, green spending, tax cuts for 95%, Iraq withdrawal, Non mandated non single payer health-care, letting bush tax cuts expire, education and infrastructure spending, finishing the war in Afghanistan, Climate change, Closing Gitmo, Against torture etc. Those are the things he promised and is not backing down on in his post election addresses and interviews. I am sorry that the far left (or as they are represented here in open left) thinks things he didn't say he would do will happen because it wont (he never promised ultra liberal appointments btw). I consider the above mentioned policies very progressive and Center-left but it wont pass the quasi socialist purity tests of people like David. too bad.

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Subtle? (4.00 / 6)
I'm sorry, but your not-so subtle McCarthyism is tiring.  Ghettoizing those who oppose unnecessarily delaying the end of imperialist wars, non-progressive tax policies, corporate loopholes and ruling-class bailouts, and government spying on its citizens, all combined with "changiness" rhetoric, as "quasi-socialist" is a typical discursive strategy of the quasi-fascist establishment.  In what possible way is being against torture a definitive sign that someone is progressive?  Do you think possibly your ideals have been compromised by 28 years+ of center-right corporate rule?

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It is important to understand (4.00 / 3)
that all we have from Obama so far is talk.

All the "evidence" you mention is just a bunch of campaign promises. He isn't president yet and he hasn't implemented a single one of those promised policies yet. Moreover, your assertion that he is not "backing down" on those promises is  simply not true--just today, some of his top advisors, such as Axelrod, are quoted as saying that he is considering waiting for Bush's upper-class tax cuts to expire in 2010 instead of pushing Congress to cancel them immediately.

On the occasions when he has actually affected policy, as with his votes on the FISA Amendment Act and the bailout, it has been decidedly in favor of the same failed establishment that got us into this mess.

Obama's defenders usually respond to this by saying that those votes were a necessary compromise in order to secure his election and that he will redress the balance once in office.

But it is important to understand that that assertion is itself also based on nothing but belief. How do you know those actions were a reluctant compromise on Obama's part, instead of a willing decision to go along with the establishment? How can you say for sure that Obama will be willing or even able to undo the horrendous damage done by both of those actions?



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Progressivism or Populism? (0.00 / 0)
Progressivism and Populism are far from identical. I suggest that the presentation is populist.

It just so happens that the populism in the public presentations corresponds most frequently to progressive positions, which is a sign of a center-left nation.


I told you so (4.00 / 3)
During the primaries and I honestly don't know what people are doing, typing trillions of bits into cyberspace, if not to demand policy change.

But, everybody jumped on the Obama bandwagon, including Sirota, which I commented on repeatedly, acting like he was a Progressive, when it was quite clear Obama had out Billary'd Hillary in policy positions and agenda.

So, now that the blogosphere is used and abused, now what?

Are people going to learn that to get true Progressive and Populist positions instead of this two fisted song and dance they must demand it with their words and votes during the election cycle?

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and i (4.00 / 1)
i constantly said that obama was to the right of hillary, but mor than that, i have said that if there's anything sleazier than a washington politician, it's a chicago politician...

[ Parent ]
I totally disagree with all your sentiments. (0.00 / 0)
So you're saying Obama is sleazier than Hillary? You're kidding, right? Rezko was bad but not illegal. Billary's unethical actions fill books.

[ Parent ]
Good. Yes. Lets rehash these fights all over again. /snark (4.00 / 1)


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[ Parent ]
David, you'll get flak for this post, but it rocks n/t (4.00 / 4)


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Seconded (0.00 / 0)
Us "socialists" gotta stick together (*wink*).

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Well you're finally acknowledging the (0.00 / 0)
presence of progressives in the administration; its a step in the right direction. I guess you started to feel a little silly repeating "not a single movement progressive" as each day brought another announcement of movement progressives being appointed to high level positions within the White House.

I think its pretty ridiculous to argue that these progressive high level staff members 1. Are going to have no influence over policy 2. Decided to give up on the progressive policies they have worked on their whole lives in order to sell "center-right" policy for the Obama Administration.

"Never separate the life you live from the words you speak" -Paul Wellstone


The definition of "ridiculous" (4.00 / 3)
You said: "I think its pretty ridiculous to argue that these progressive high level staff members are going to have no influence over policy." Well, I think it's pretty ridiculous for you to discuss arguments that no one is making in this diary. Because had you bothered to read the diary, you would have read this:

Obviously, the division of responsibility is never totally cut and dry. As Karl Rove showed, a White House political team can have a lot of influence over policy. So we can't draw any hard and fast conclusions about what this will mean in the Obama administration. It's very possible that the progressive political team will have a lot of policy say.

I say it ad nauseum - it's important for commenters to comment on the diary they purport to be commenting on, not to simply use the comments section to comment on the voices in their head.


[ Parent ]
Yes, you gave yourself wiggle room, (0.00 / 0)
how very crafty.

But your argument was:

the initial structure seems to resemble the principle in American politics of politicians publicly selling their policies in progressive terms, while having those policies be crafted with much more conservative ideology.

I maintain that the premise that progressives would give up their beliefs in order to sell center-right policy is faulty.

If one accepts that, then there is no reason for this post, other than creating a scarecrow to worry about.

"Never separate the life you live from the words you speak" -Paul Wellstone


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Ugh (4.00 / 1)
I am sorry David.  I just can't read your stuff anymore.  This is certainly more thought out than previous posts, but I just can't take the sniping.

I choose to watch and participate positively for now.  Who knows, maybe you are right but I can't concentrate on this yet.  I want to see Obama govern and then decide.  I don't want to project possibilities of non-progressive action on him.  It just seems like you are driving wedges by being a worry-wart.


Great! (0.00 / 0)
Then stop reading! What's interesting is as you promise to "stop reading" - you comment after reading...It's actually hilarious!

[ Parent ]
well (2.00 / 2)
he can read pretty much what you are saying in the title, you have been very predictable all through this election cycle. 90% of your posts were to attack or undermine Obama or others for not passing your purity tests. not to mention comparing your readers with Natzies when they criticize you back (You are very liberal in throwing dramatic labels around, pun indented).

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You are right. I'm done. (4.00 / 1)


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Well thought out post, but... (4.00 / 1)
I'll start by giving you props on writing a thoughtful and fairly well argued post.  It has an interesting thesis and argument, but...

I have problems with this generally accepted meme of "center," "center-right," "center-left," etc., discussion of our nation and political parties.  In particular, I am opposed to the arbitrary use of such terminology with little thought to the context.

What is the context of arguing the Obama administration is going to have a "right-of-center" policy team?  Right of what?  Where is the center we are constantly arguing over?  Is this in regards the last eight years of US policy?  That would make ALL of these appointments left-of-center?  Is it in regards the last 30 years?  At worst, this policy team would be centrist, if not left-of-center (and the last 8 years would be considered right-of-center-to-far-right, clearly this policy team is not equivalent, or even nearly so).  Is the context the last 100 years, in which case this team would clearly be left-of-center (with the New Deal and Great Society eras being solidly leftist)?

Or are we comparing Obama's announced team against other nations?  Canada, Britain, France?  If these are the context we are clearly centrist (but then our most liberal politicians are only left-of-center).

Perhaps are we basing these arguments on the idealism of our progressive views.  This seems to me to be the case, and that explains the arguments for right-of-center assertions of the potential policies and administrative members.  This might not be a negative basis from which to make these determinations, but let's be clear from where we are working from.  But the danger of using ideology for context in these arguments is the constantly changing nature of it.  Ideologically, the country moves fairly rapidly, in spans of less than generational, which by it's very nature means a political discussion on these terms are unstable and purely contextual.  

And to make matters worse, administrations have a tendency to shift the paradigm of the political landscape in the process of their policy making.  So what may be perceived as leftist/rightist at the time may well become centrist viewed from posterity (I think the New Deal would be the best example of this, radical at the time, but much more generally accepted by today's standards).

So my point is: what do we mean that Obama's policy team is "right-of-center?"  Right of what?


Its more like rich versus poor (0.00 / 0)
Maybe its more to the point to think in terms of rich and poor. The majority, or central position is that we want the government to stop wasting our money. Everybody who earns less than $250,000 is on the same side of this issue. Every child understands what's fair. Everybody who earns more than that and doesn't have government connections should agree also.

The Bush administration has achieved this orgasmic frenzy of stealing money from the unborn and instantly privatizing it. Congress is fullfilling its consitutional role as mild-mannered wet noodles. I mean custodians of the national budget. Its disturbing. The body of the country is hemhorraging.

Rahm Emanuel, Timothy Geithner and Larry Summers are probably all into the nine figures in net worth, and they think like rich men. Its a devastating mental illness that can only be cured by serving time in the working class. I wouldn't trust any one of them to do my taxes. When Obama says he'll delay raising the top tax bracket, I think its coming from them and get queasy.

Will Obama fight to bring jobs home from overseas?  Will he go through the budget "line by line" and end wasteful spending? Right away. Will he end the 15% built in profit to the medicare providers? He promised.

Will he raise the after-death tax, to recapture some of the privatized wealth and ease the public debt and nourish the country? Okay, he didn't promise that, but I don't see any other way out. The unborn just don't have the means.


[ Parent ]
You keep writing the same stuff over and over (4.00 / 2)
It's needless worry-warting.  Meanwhile, the future stimulus package is being written as we speak.  The groundwork for healthcare reform is being laid as we speak.  The time to exert actual pressure on Obama is right now, and this type of substance free, hypothetical anxiety just isn't it.

Rather than simply rephrasing the same two-year-old concerns you have over this guy's governing style, why don't you spend some time developing an actual strategy to exert progressive influence over these future policy proposals?  No more ideological identity politics with regards to Obama's appointments and staffing; real substantive pressure.  What needs to be included in the stimulus?  What, from a progressive standpoint, has to be included in future health care reform?

Most of your stuff is just defensive criticism-bait; carefully rephrasing and rephrasing the same arguments over and over, all to set up some little defensive dance through the commentsphere where you can play the progressive martyr.  It's tiresome and useless.  

This site is a great platform for exerting progressive influence over future US policy, and you're ruining it.


Then leave (0.00 / 0)
Then leave and stop reading. Rest assured - I'm going to keep writing what I write, whether you like it or not.

If it was "ruining the site" - then why are you still coming back and reading?

Guess it ain't "ruining the site," huh?  


[ Parent ]
Chris and Matt (0.00 / 0)
And temayne, etc.  They're great.  You, when you lay out policy specifics, can be good, too.

This, though, is bad.  It's bad because we've basically known about it for two years, and you're writing the same stuff over and over and over again.

I wish you would spend your time exerting real progressive pressure over future policy, rather than rehashing the same tired stuff.  The pressure is obviously needed, and this isn't it.


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I'm still waiting for your GBCW declaration (0.00 / 0)


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Then you're not really understanding what I'm saying (4.00 / 2)
You know how progressive bloggers are constantly critical of public figure like Obama and it's a good thing, because without that criticism then how would those figures move in a positive direction?

It's the same thing with the commenters on those blogs; a lot of us don't think your current writing is doing any good.  I wish it was more effective, because you have an important platform from which to exert influence over policy.  Since I'm not happy with it, I'm happy to be vocally critical, cause otherwise how will this blog move in a positive direction?

Defensively waiting for some commenter's GBCW is little more than a GBCW of your own.  Take the criticism as seriously as you would like Obama to take your own.


[ Parent ]
Jesus, David (4.00 / 1)
This is really kind of unbecoming. As a front page poster, you're supposed to lay out a thought-provoking argument -- which you did, in spades -- and then let us at it. You're not supposed to monitor the comments and start "good riddancing" people. That's rather un-blogospheric.

[ Parent ]
Odd (0.00 / 0)
I'm still surprised that Open Left diarists are letting comments like this go by unnoticed:

Chuck Schumer: "I think it has to be deep. In my view, it has to be between $500 and $700 billion dollars and that's because our economy is in serious, serious trouble."

"It's a little like having a new New Deal, but you have to do it before the Depression. Not after."



David how do we push on the following people? (0.00 / 0)
David you make the point that....
At the same time, many Obama appointments to exclusively political positions - that is, positions that are focused on selling policy, whatever that policy may be - are terrific movement progressives, people like Mike Lux (transition outreach to progressive orgs), Ellen Moran (communications director), Phil Schiliro (congressional liason) and Patrick Gaspard (political director).

How do we zero in on these people and push them or help them leverage power within the administration?  

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That is a very good question (0.00 / 0)
There's no silver bullet answer - but you are right to say that organizing and pressure strategies have to take into account those people as potential points of access.

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This might be a whole post.... (4.00 / 1)
Brief bios on these people.
Contact information.

Rather than contacting our senators next time we want to push a vote or policy, we hit these people. Perhaps it would have a greater effect?

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[ Parent ]
It would have to be done with care, (0.00 / 0)
but yeah, I think that would be a really interesting way to go. We've put very directed pressure on congresscritters before, but the blawgs are to young to have hada chance to try it on WH Admin types.

Def. worth a shot in spring. Perhaps as CHANGE.GOV becomes a more rounded site it will provide that sort of info on personnel.

Either way, time for us to do our homework!


[ Parent ]
Conservatives can be populist too (4.00 / 1)
At least in the common definition of "populism." I think you're misusing the term here to suggest that when politicians go "populist" at the end of close campaigns -- which I agree they always do -- they invariably turn left. They don't. They don't turn left or right, they just frame their arguments in more populist terms. Populism is not an ideology. It is a mechanistic rather than substantive approach to governing and more than anything else, a language. It is a "how" much more than a "what."

My Last Read of Open-Left (4.00 / 1)
I guess I have just had enough.  Not one single action has been taken by the Obama administration because he has yet to be inaugurated.  I am not willing to stand by with my hackles raised anticipating every possible affront to my progressive sensibilities.  You obviously have nothing to say, so you are simply worrying yourself and your readers about "potential" issues.  Obama is not selecting people because of the viewpoints they had in the past.  He is selecting them because they will offer varying perspectives about solutions to the issues we face going forward.  Is it possible actions will be further to the center or even the right than I would prefer?  Yes.  And, as specific solutions to specific problems are being considered I will have my say and I will push for the more progressive solution.  Will I wring my hands ahead of time and say "oh no, he might not be going to do things left enough for me" based on his preparations prior to taking office?  Give me a break!  Take a vacation.  Have a lovely end of year holiday season.  Meditate. Come back when it is actually time to say something and be ready to do battle then.  Until then, I am going to find something else to read that doesn't cause my nerves to jangle for absolutely no reason.

this isn't how it works (4.00 / 1)
Sorry, but the corporatocracy isn't taking a vacation, they are lobbying aggressively to get their way.  And so must we.  Obama's governing began Nov 5th in many real ways.  He is not legally president yet, but the executive orders he will sign at 1pm on Jan 20th (or whenever he enters the Oval Office) are being written now.

Things are being decided now.  The decisions don't take effect until later, but the time to influence is now.


[ Parent ]
Then Discuss Issues and Problems Not Peoples Prior Mistakes (0.00 / 0)
This blog has absolutely nothing actionable in it.  If David has some concrete suggestions for action, I will read it and take action.  But, I am not going to read blogs that tell me to worry.

[ Parent ]
maybe he believed (0.00 / 0)
...that if he identified a problem, then people would apply their own creativity and initiative to help find solutions.

Is there REALLY a rule that no one can identify what they see as a problem unless they have a solution in mind? And if there is, is that REALLY a good rule?


[ Parent ]
Plutocracy (0.00 / 0)
Ever since the 60's, progressives have watched their efforts overwhelmed by the sneer of the media and the submergence of congress in the culture of wealth.

We thought some massive breakdown would wake the country up, and progressive ideas would take hold.

Well, the first breakdown is here. We helped get a competent government in place. Obama is going to pay attention to the problems of the masses. But its still the government of the plutocrats. The plutocrats pre-approved him, and they take care of themselves first.

Watch for the rich to have a slightly unfair (or secretly and outrageously unfair) cut of every spending bill.

Watch the progressives aunguish as we can smell fairness in the air, but never find it embodied.

Obama has his conservative advisers and his progressive front men in place. I'm getting emails from Obama's wide net that I should turn to them with my concerns.

I loved hope. I'm relieved that somebody competent is in the white house for now, but I'm letting go of my hope for much fair and lasting change in Washington from Obama. I find enough anguish right here where I really live.  


Melody Barnes named head of Domestic Policy Council (0.00 / 0)
That's policy not political.

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