False Progressive vs. Pragmatist Divide

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 14:30


E.J. Dionne writes about accusations that Obama is moving to the center, and discovers that he is just being a pragmatic progressive (emphasis mine):

Obama's selection of a team of highly skilled pragmatists has already been described as a move to the political center, but Obama advisers and longtime acquaintances say that this is a misreading of the incoming president and his approach. They describe it as combining a practicality about means with an overriding concern about the corrosive effects of growing economic inequalities.

Aides say that Obama was drawn to Summers in part because the former Harvard president shares the president-elect's passion for a more equitable distribution of economic benefits. Obama was impressed during campaign policy discussions that Summers would often pull the conversation away from general talk about economic growth to a concern with the living standards of families with average incomes.

Washington often divides the Democratic policy world between progressives and pragmatists. With Obama, as yesterday's news conference showed, it will have to become accustomed to a president who is both.

Fine. If Obama wants to call himself a pragmatic progressive, I have no problem with that. People can call themselves what they want. However, I object to progressives, especially those who criticize Obama from the left, being contrasted with pragmatists more generally.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: False Progressive vs. Pragmatist Divide
This division of the Democratic policy world between progressives and pragmatists inherently portrays progressives as naïve idealists whose goals are unattainable. Rather than contrasting progressives with a competing ideological term, such as progressives versus centrists or progressives versus conservatives, progressivism is substituted for "idealism," in a pragmatic vs. idealist binary. This simultaneously accomplishes two goals: progressivism is dismissed as nice but unattainable, and those calling themselves "pragmatists" avoid overt disagreement with progressives. Thus, pragmatists are just serious progressives who know what can and can not be accomplished, and know how to bring those accomplishments into reality. Pragmatists are serious people, and progressives are just Dirty F***ing Hippies.

Given that I have somehow become the posterboy for accusing Obama of moving to the political center, can I just say that I consider myself a pragmatist? Some may scoff at that notion, but consider that Open Left is one of the only progressive blogs where one of our three founders and partners is actually working on the Obama transition team--and in a high level position on the team, at that. That we are somehow simultaneously dismissed as naïve idealists who don't understand how government works is both befuddling and unfair.

As far as politics goes, rather than a false contrast with progressivism, I understand pragmatism to be the habit of engaging in electoral and legislative fights you can win, and the use of readily available means within those fights. I think, without question, our work here on Open Left reflects such an attitude. While some of the primary fights in which Open Left has gotten involved have turned out to be 20% losses (IL-03 and IA-03 come to mind), we did win the Donna Edwards fight. The candidates we endorsed on the Better Democrats, Blue Majority and Netroots Candidates Act Blue pages actually have a pretty good records. There has been real progress on our two largest policy campaigns, Net Neutrality and No Residual Forces. We have worked on campaigns like Freeze Out Fox News, and SChip, that did actually influence candidate and congressional voting behavior. Through it all, we have developed new ways for people to get involved, including Use It Or Lose It, Searching for John McCain, Personal Paid Media, and Infrastructure Contest. to top it off, I do my best to pick fights and campaigns that can be justified through careful polling analysis.

Criticizing Obama from the left does not mean you lack a pragmatic outlook. I carefully choose what I believe are winnable fights where someone with my limited means can actually make a difference. I'm sure this goes for a lot of people who would consider themselves to the left of Obama, and who have been critical of some of his moves. Feel free to call me a lot of things, but don't claim that just because I am left-wing that I am not pragmatic.


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Excellent post... (4.00 / 1)
BTW, I do think that when we criticize or praise Obama, we should

A. offer alternatives, and
B. engage in actual activism, such as an organized e-mail-writing campaign to our senators.

We need both carrots and sticks, and we need to both flex and use our muscles.


Here Here! (4.00 / 6)
Excellent point.

Notice you don't hear "conservative versus pragmatic."

Conventional Wisdom believes conservatism to be "pragmatic."


"Feel free to call me a lot of things, but don't claim that just because I am left-wing that I am not pragmatic. " (0.00 / 0)
Okay, you're not left wing :)

But you wrote a great post. :)


A Progressive v. Pragmatist divide may be fine (4.00 / 2)
I like what I see from Ruy Teixeira's artlcle linked at "Hopeful in NJ"'s quick hit: http://openleft.com/viewQuickH...

The relationship between Obama and the Progressives - is it a "battle for the President's soul" or a "natural division of labor?"

http://www.thedemocraticstrate...

It postulates the benefits of progressive interest groups pushing a Democratic administration, w/r/t the New Deal and Civil Rights.


I suppose it works both ways (4.00 / 1)
This is a good post -- you guys have been quite effective and that list of accomplishments is impressive.

But what about the first 2 paragraphs of Dionne's article? It seems to making a pretty big, bold argument similar to the one we 'pragmatists' have been arguing (much less eloquently, politely and efficiently) for the last few days/weeks.

Is Obama a progressive pragmatist? If so, we don't need to worry about these appointments.

BTW, 'we' pragmatists don't like being called non-progressive any more than 'you' progressives like being called non-pragmatic.


Agree 100%, or at least 99% :-) (0.00 / 0)
I know some may take my comments on other thread that I thing progressives or liberals aren't pragmatic, but I disagree with that whole-hardily.

I do think that progressivism and pragmatism are only loosely coupled, so one can have either one without the other, at least to some degree.  That may be a point of contention with you and others, but in no way do I agree they are incompatible.  In fact, they strengthen each other.


yep. I'm not demanding universal child care. I'm not demanding an end to all our drug laws. (4.00 / 1)
I'm asking to end the Bush tax cuts within the first 100 days in office.

I'm asking for more than mere health care affordability. I'm asking for something that makes health care into a right for all Americans.

I want statesmen and military administration who didn't fuck it all up in the past 8 years.

I think that's pretty fucking practical.


What about priorities? (4.00 / 1)
Sure, most of what Obama has proposed is practical. But is it practical to assume he can accomplish all of these goals simultaneously? That would be too much to ask, yet it seems to be what is being demanded by many.

If postponing the end of the Bush tax cuts is required to pass a larger, more effective stimulus, I think that is a fair trade-off. A pragmatic trade-off.

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra


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right now we're mainly talking about cabinet positions (4.00 / 3)
And appointing people who were basically opposed to his policies, or basically supportive of the mistakes that got us into this mess... that's not practical.

I'll admit that the policy stuff remains to be seen. But watering down your campaign promises isn't particularly practical either, especially when those promises were already marketed as "practical" alternatives to "ideological purity tests".


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Hard-headedness is pragmatic (4.00 / 4)
Why complain? Because if you don't, you get ignored and your issues do not get the backing they need.

The real idealists are those demanding no criticism because Obama knows exactly what he is doing. Criticism of Summers and Geithner on substantive grounds is not naive idealism - it's a recognition that they do not share our values.

Provided that it remains within acceptable bounds (which are actually pretty wide if you want to have real influence) criticism can very easily be pragmatic. That's certainly the case here.

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I guess pragmatist (0.00 / 0)
Really means you share the ideology of the rules in Washington with an implication of flexibility, rather than anything about the normal definition of pragmatism.


New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

As I said (4.00 / 1)
in the other thread, all pragmatism means to me is that when your ideology and reality come into conflict, you unfailingly side with reality (and obviously also reevaluate the other parts of your ideology with relevance to the conflict). And that you go out of your way to watch for and identify these conflicts, to keep yourself honest. That's all. You get to choose your own frame of reference, you don't get to choose your own reality.

Pragmatism (4.00 / 1)
I agree with Chris that pragmatism and progressivism are not at odds. I have in mind philosophical pragmatism particularly as articulated by John Dewey. Read, for example, Dewey's excellent broadside, Liberalism and Social Action.

I do not think that E. J. Dionne should be read out of the progressive movement. He is not a temporizing centrist producing a deceptive brief for Obama. He makes some sense.

I am no fan of Summers, but I am beginning to see a pattern in Obama's appointments. You might regard each appointment as a reference for Obama, someone whose mainstream credibility contributes to the construction of a political argument. In this analysis, Summers is not in place because of his historic advocacy of deregulation. He is in the Administration because of his contemporary concern for income distribution. He may be capable of moving some segment of the business community on this issue, or maybe more likely he can minimize some of the protests.

Summers is not a progressive according to OpenLeft. I agree. He is a "normalizer." He helps render a hefty stimulus package more acceptable to moderates.

Gates at Defense may serve a similar purpose. If he obeys orders, he helps legitimize an agenda of multilateralism.

But he may not obey. Gates is more likely to subvert the Obama agenda than Summers. I would much prefer a Wesley Clark in this post.

I would like OpenLeft diarists to play their part in the proper delineation of the boundaries of progressivism. I have been active with Americans for Democratic Action for a few decades. An ADA Voting Record, even if it is constrained by the votes of the moment, can help identify the center and the left.

I don't think OpenLeft should attack as center-right reliably liberal members of Congress according to ADA's reckoning. It's not that ADA is infallible. Rather, ADA has a foothold in existing institutions and some expertise of note. See: http://www.adaction.org/media/...

I think there is something just a bit disingenuous about the center-right designation at times. The traditional media toss the phrase about for purposes of misinformation. OpenLeft uses it to render sinister some of our potential allies. We are going to need some 75 percenters to pass key legislation.


Agreed, not at odds. The problem with this label stuff is that (0.00 / 0)
it misses the larger points of WHY the cabinet appointments were made, and I have yet to see anyone give credible alternatives.    

You mentioned Summers and the stimulus package.  Likewise, Gates' one-year appointment would bring stability in turbulent times as the massive drawdown out of Iraq begins.  In one year's time we will see a different Sec. of Defense and then we can judge the direction Obama is taking the country in ideologically as for foreign policy.  

The other cabinet members should be assessed similarly.  To rip a universal health care system through Congress, who better than HHS secretary and health care reform czar Tom Daschle?  He is not only a strong supporter of universal health care, but his former role as Majority Leader makes him a great choice to usher legislation through Congress.  Has anyone offered a different name who would be more suitable?  At that point, does it really matter whether the choice is far-left progressive or more to the center progressive or even moderate?  Get universal health care DONE.  NOW.  If we go with someone who is suitably progressive but takes a lot of time to get it done, we might squander a golden opportunity to Harry and Louise again.  

Hillary Clinton is a similar such choice.  She is clearly respected around the world and the top diplomat role fits very well.  She is probably the best person imaginable to bring diplomatic efforts to fruition in major hotspots around the world and is also situated to get the Israel-Palestine peace accord back on track.  In her case, her voting record is far more progressive than Obama's, but regardless of that, I can't think of a more suited person for the task she is asked to perform.  If there is, let's hear it.  Complaining is only effective when it comes with alternatives at the ready.

T. Geithner is apparently an expert in bailouts.  He ushered in successful bailouts for Korea, Brazil, Mexico, Indonesia and Thailand over the last decade.  

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11...

We are now in bailout crisis mode, and it will probably be that way for some time to come.  So it seems logical to go with the ONE man who has dealt with all previous successful bailouts we have been involved in for other countries.    


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the people who want an end to torture (4.00 / 4)
are just hopelessly deluded idealistic hippies with no ability to perceive reality, and the people who think we can steer a "centrist" course in dealing with torture are the grown-up pragmatists.

That is the narrative that is being spun.


Irony (4.00 / 1)
Feel free to call me a lot of things, but don't claim that just because I am left-wing that I am not pragmatic.

Don't you see the irony here?  You're offended if someone claims that because you're left-wing that you can't be pragmatic.  And yet the argument has been repeated here that Obama is pragmatic, therefore he isn't progressive.


Have you been paying no attention whatsoever? (4.00 / 6)
The straw-man has been that because Obama is pragmatic, he can't be progressive.

The actual criticism from the left has been that Obama has been making appointments and statements that suggest he is not progressive. Where the pragmatism of such statements has been addressed, it has been to suggest that in addition the appointments are not pragmatic, because the appointees in question have problems that are liable to limit their competence or willingness to do what needs to be done.

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several cabinet appointments have been neither pragmatic nor progressive. (4.00 / 2)
Appointing someone who got the economy or our national defense wrong. The electorate wanted him to make a shift here.

Cabinet appointments are not the same as policy. But you have to admit that it's a troubling sign, considering that your cabinet executes and advises your policy.


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Excellent, Chris. (4.00 / 2)
It's a beath of fresh air here.  Words have meaning and the way "progressives" are protrayed clearly is to marginalize us.  

finally (0.00 / 0)
I had already posted this in my blog.  Perhaps Obama is the vindication of the Clintons.  Progressives villified them for being moderate -- even when they probably wanted to do more. But now, with the media in "love Obama" mode, they are searching to justify actions that they would demonize in others.  So, in some ways this is a bittersweet moment for me.  

agree with the false dichotomy (0.00 / 0)
Chris is absolutely right, there's a bit of a false dichotomy here.

But not completely.

FISA is the best example -- it led to the most obvious sublimation of progressive ideology in favor of the pragmatism of electing a Democrat.

It isn't fair of Dionne to suggest a mutually exclusive relationship between progressivism and pragmatism in light of the extreme divide created by the extreme policies and actions of the Bush administration, though, as they resulted in the extreme hole they have dug for this country.

However, Dionne is right to suggest that certain expectations still exist in the minds of those who sublimated their ideology to elect Obama. But, again, he must admit that such expectations also exist in the minds of the conservatives who have seen an appeal in Obama, that they do not exist on one side of the aisle.

Perhaps as time passes and policies are enacted, Dionne and everyone else will see that the progressivism is actually right for our country, and not just pragmatic. Perhaps the pragmatism is necessary to win converts to a more humanistic approach to government and the American culture, in general. And, perhaps, the notion of political expediency will, in the end, become divided from the idea of pragmatism.

It's way too early in this new administration-elect to start labeling or analyzing, even if we have daily press conferences, weekly radio and Youtube video addresses, and official-looking seals of the "office of the president-elect" (which I've never seen before in my life). But it sure seems to be working on bringing everyone together to take action against one of the greatest threats this nation and the world around us has ever faced.

So, for now, can we just focus on what we need to do rather than who is thinking and/or saying what about who? Sirota made a big mistake asking if the NYT hates Obama when the bigger picture is about whether or not Geithner and Summers can own up to their mistakes, offer up their counsel to Obama, and act in the best interests of this country even if it contradicts their own ideologies.

The same will be true of other cabinet nominees.

Suspend belief, have some faith like you did in the campaign, and play that role of foot soldiers that you played so well before November 4th. Prove that the false dichotomy is truly false. Make the hard choices that lead to action, and trust that you supported a man who would choose the best possible action to pursue.

Geez, I can't believe that I, someone who did not give a dime or lift a finger after Obama's FISA vote, has to point this out. There's a mess out there bigger than who stays in the caucus or what label some journalist applies to a movement, and we need to clean up that mess.

After it's cleaned up, then we can debate whether we were progressive or pragmatic. But for now, for chrissakes, let's just make sure we still have something to debate in the future.


I don't even get the sense that this is satire. (0.00 / 0)


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Labels. We get so ensnared with ... (0.00 / 0)
...calling ourselves liberals or radicals or progressives or leftists. And then somebody has to put qualifiers in front of all those words, a typical one being "true," as in, "true progressive." I've taken to calling myself a "left-progressive," and I know what I mean by that, but does anybody else? I wish there were a way around labeling, but I can't imagine what it would be.

Splitter! (4.00 / 2)
You left-progressives! Us prog-lefties weren't good enough for the likes of you.

[ Parent ]
Not being close to winning a fight today (0.00 / 0)
is part of what it takes to getting close to winning it tomorrow.

We're already almost there! (0.00 / 0)
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