Labour: A Cautionary Tale for the Obama Administration

by: Eurotrash

Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:49


(T-Day-Plus-One is always a good time to kick back and reflect a bit. Here's something to reflect on: Something Obama might learn from the British example.  Hopefully some other Brits will chime in with their own perspectives in comments. - promoted by Paul Rosenberg)

In the aftermath of the September 11th attacks, when the Bush administration pushed through the USA PATRIOT Act, the only Democrats to maintain a principled opposition were Russ Feingold in the Senate and a handful of progressives in the House. When Bush was leading the charge toward "regime change" in Iraq in early 2003, a few more Democrats objected. But the majority of the party's elected officials, either fearful for their future career prospects or genuinely favorable to the war, lent their support to Bush's war. To their credit, many of the Democrats who initially voted for the Patriot Act have subsequently pushed either for changes to it or for a complete repeal. Today the Democrats have a leader preparing to take office who--despite decisions to appoint people who supported the war to high positions in his administration--has opposed the war from the outset and has made clear campaign promises to bring the troops home and not to have a permanent troop presence in Iraq.

Things aren't as clear-cut in Great Britain.

Eurotrash :: Labour: A Cautionary Tale for the Obama Administration
The initial decision to send troops to Iraq was far more unpopular in the UK than in America, and the government maintained its course despite popular opinion. At the same time, the British government has pushed anti-terror laws that seriously threaten civil rights and would even allow certain things--such as civilian detention without charge for up to 42 days--that would be clearly unconstitutional in the United States. A huge difference, though, is that these changes have been spearheaded in Britain by a government of the country's left-wing party. Under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, the Labour Party has taken "third way" politics to a new extreme by following George Bush every step of the way in his "war on terror"; they don't have the Democrats' excuses of being in the minority, or having to appear loyal to the President in a time of war, or that public opinion would have doomed them had they voted against the war or the anti-terror laws. Blair has left office and the war seems to be winding down toward a conclusion (or at least a withdrawal of British troops in the near future), but that only makes this all the more disturbing:

Conservative MPs expressed their fury today over the decision by the police to arrest Damian Green in connection with a government leak inquiry.

The shadow immigration minister's Tory colleagues believe that, in publishing documents allegedly provided by a whistleblower, Green was doing his job as an opposition MP, not breaking the law.

And the Tories are particularly angry about the manner in which police have handled the matter – using counter-terrorism officers to arrest the MP, rather than just inviting him in for questioning.

The Tories are not choir boys.  Although they tend to take a slightly more libertarian stance than most Republicans in the United States, by and large they still support thoroghly awful policies, particularly xenophobic immigration restrictions.  But to judge by the contents of the documents leaked by Damian Green, it sounds an awful lot like people within the Labour government have been trying to stifle dissent (my emphasis):

What information did the four documents [leaked by Green] contain?

• A series of Home Office memos, which appeared in the Daily Mail on November 13 2007, showed that Jacqui Smith, the home secretary, had been warned four months earlier that thousands of illegal immigrants had been cleared to work in sensitive Whitehall security jobs. An email revealed that Smith had appeared to accept press office advice in August not to disclose the number of illegal immigrants.

• An email to Liam Byrne, then a Home Office minister, in February which showed he was informed about an illegal Brazilian immigrant who allegedly worked in parliament on a fake ID card. The memo was published in the Sunday Telegraph on February 10.

• A letter from Smith to Gordon Brown warning that a recession would lead to a rise in crime. The letter was draft advice that had not been cleared by Smith and had not yet been sent to Number 10, the Home Office said.

A list of Labour MPs likely to rebel against the government's plans to detain terror suspects for up to 42 days without charge.

Gordon Brown and Jacqui Smith claim not to have known anything about the arrest until it happened, but it's always a bit disturbing when a government starts arresting opposition officials for things they've said or published--even if the things they've revealed (such as the complaints over undocumented immigrants working as security guards) may seem stupid or inconsequential to people who don't fear or hate immigrants. In the case of the list of Labour MPs opposing increased police powers, though, it sounds like people within a faction of the Labour party might have organized Green's arrest partly in order to avoid embarassment over Labour's own internal divisions. In short: using questionable police powers against a rival politician because he exposed internal dissent over the further enhancement of police powers.  That's beginning to sound Orwellian.

Hence a lesson for the Obama administration: be careful with the unprecedented amounts of executive power you will inherit from your predecessors.  Obama has already made the right noises about shutting down Guantanamo and ending torture.  But the President-elect has already shown his willingness to compromise with Bush's desire for unchecked wiretapping powers by providing only token opposition to legal immunity for telecom companies that cooperated with the Bush administration.  Obama has a mixed record on civil liberties: he voted to take the most heinous provisions out of the Patriot Act and voted against the Military Commissions Act (which denied habeas corpus to Guantanamo detainees), but he also voted to extend the "uncontroversial" parts of the Patriot Act in 2006.  Over the past eight years, Bush and Cheney have shrouded the operation of the executive branch in secrecy; as principled a guy as he is, Obama will likely be tempted to keep many of his own administration's dealings away from the prying eyes of the press and the public.

It remains to be seen just how transparent Obama's administration will be and whether there will be any caveats to his promises to reverse the Bush administration's erosion of Americans' civil rights.  But the expansion of police powers under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown could serve as a cautionary tale for Obama: the left-leaning base of Labour is highly unenthusiastic about the current government in Britian, and polls show the Conservatives beating Labour in the next parliamentary election.


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I Don't Know Enough (4.00 / 3)
to comment intelligently on the details.  But on the big-picture level, the oily ease with which Blair made the transition from Clinton's lap-dog to Bush's always constituted, for me, the perfect indictment of the "Third Way" hogwash.

And then, just to put the cherry on top, we got the Downing Street Memos to confirm all sorts of sordid imaginings.

The hits just keep on coming, eh?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Pretty clearly, the UK (0.00 / 0)
is not the place we want to look to for a model of a country where protection of civil liberties is paramount.

For whatever it's worth, though, they do face an internal terrorist threat that we simply don't (though I've not seen a good explanation why we've avoided that).


Explanation? History! (0.00 / 0)
Not to mention geography.

The Brits first made war against Islam back during the Crusades.  We first made peace with Islam in 1790s, with the Treaty of Tripoli, less than a decade after the founding of the USA, stating that the US was not a Christian nation.

Plus, they're a whole lot closer to the heart of the Islamic world than we are, and have much more entrenched communities that are much less culturally adapted to the larger society.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Speaking as a limey (4.00 / 1)
For whatever it's worth, though, they do face an internal terrorist threat that we simply don't

We had the 7/7 bombers.  In the US you had Timothy McVeigh.  And the nativist/white supremacist nutters haven't gone away.  I wish it were otherwise, but it isn't.  There is an internal terrorist threat in the US.

Of course, it goes without saying that this cannot serve as an excuse to curtail civil liberties, whether round your place or mine.  Benjamin Franklin, and all that.


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True Enough (0.00 / 0)
But our terrorist threat is almost exclusively from the internal right, not the immigrant other.  So it has much less tendency to play a role of blending with the perceived threat "out there."

Of course, we lost a good chunk of rights in the aftermath of McVeigh's attack, so on that score, it didn't matter so much who the threat was.

It's been awfully quite with a rightwing President.  We can certainly expect a terrorist uptick in the near future, unfortunately.  Like Bush himself, those guys aren't too good with words.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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European countries... (0.00 / 0)
...tend to place less emphasis on individual rights in their laws than the United States does, while placing more emphasis on the community as a whole.  This can lead to good things (universal health care, a welfare state that at least keeps the poor afloat) and bad things (throwing people into jail without charges).  Moreover, European states' immigration policies tend to favor "assimilation" of immigrants into "native" communities--though this is generally worse in more ethnically homogeneous states like Denmark or Sweden than in Britain or France, which have had black and brown people around for much longer because they're former colonial powers.  Still, it's a far cry from the "country of immigrants" attitude that's widely accepted in the USA.

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this difference is narrowing (0.00 / 0)
rather like obesity levels, these differences between Europe and the US are rapidly narrowing in my opinion. I moved to North Carolina from Holland last year and find the fearful rhetoric about Mexican immigrants here to be almost identical to the way Dutch people talked about Moroccan immigrants over there.

Britain (my birthplace) is weird when it comes to individual rights. Most British people are rather appalled at the requirement for photo ID's in almost all aspects of life in the US... but then we tolerate vast quantities of surveillance cameras. I actually think that Britain and the US are extremely similar when it comes to individual rights. Both countries have rather pompous assumptions about being bastions of individual freedom, and use tired old cliches to back them up. Both British and American citizens tend to be slightly surprised when foreigners point out defects in their countries in this regard, perhaps due to a shared lack of self-critical journalism.


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It's not that new (0.00 / 0)
There were already plenty of things in the UK that would be unconstitutional in the US.  Freedom of speech is not clearly enshrined the way it is in the US, and detention without trial has also been used before, such as in Northern Ireland.  Plus, in a parliamentary system the parties are much stronger and voting against the party leader is a much bigger step than it is in Congress; here in Ireland, an MP with a leadership post in the ruling party was thrown out of the party for just speaking (not voting) against the draconian budget measures they're ramming through.

So while I agree with the general theme of the piece (that the supposed left-leaning party driving the agenda there, without even the lame excuses offered by the Dems, is even worse), to some extent the specifics are comparing apples and oranges.


Good Points, But... (0.00 / 0)
Apples and oranges are still both fruit with an awful lot in common.

In both countries, the "left" party seems to be rather unsure of itself in terms of traditional commitments to greater care for freedom, procedural safeguards, and uh... reality.  All are now in doubt, to varying degrees.

It would seem to be just as foolish to ignore the comparison as it would be to ignore the differences.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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hmm (4.00 / 1)

But the majority of the party's elected officials, either fearful for their future career prospects or genuinely favorable to the war, lent their support to Bush's war.

Assuming you mean "Democrats in Congress" this isn't true.  A majority of House Democrats voted against the AUMF for Iraq.  A (bare) majority of Senate Democrats voted for it, but overall a majority of Congressional Democrats did vote against it.

Perhaps that's not worth all that much since very few really spoke out against it, but as a matter of accuracy, they did oppose it.


actually (0.00 / 0)
The Senate Dems were solidly for it 29-21, so scratch the 'bare' qualifier.  

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Actually #2 (4.00 / 1)
I started to balk when I first read that, too.

But I immediatly noted that it says, "early 2003", and thus seems to be referring not to the votes, which happened in October 2002, but to the way that Democrats went along docily after the votes--despite the fact that Bush quite clearly was using the votes in ways that Dems (such as Clinton) specifically claimed they were not intended.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Thanks for fact-checking me! (4.00 / 2)
I posted this in a hurry and was pleasantly surprised to see it on the front page just now.  I'm honored.

To be honest, I didn't realize that a majority of Democrats in the House had voted no on the AUMF.  What I had in mind when I wrote this, though, was the response of prominent Democrats when they faced the media. The Clintons, Tom Daschle, Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstein all finally supported the war.  Senate Dems, who held a narrow majority at the time, got a lot more media attention than the House Democratic minority.  It seems to me that American mainstream media essentially portrayed the Democrats as reluctantly supporting the war, aside from a few hippies like Russ Feingold and old farts like Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd.

Incidentally, House Democrats were more liberal than their Senate counterparts then, and still are now; this might be due to institutional differences between the "collegial" Senate and the "passionate" House, or to the fact that Pelosi is a more progressive politician than Daschle or Reid.


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yes (0.00 / 0)
It has a great deal to do with the nature of the House and Senate.  The design of the latter almost guarantees it is the more conservative ideological body.

Your comment about the leadership of the Democrats is spot on.  It has a lot to do with the instant popularity of Governor Dean when he spoke out strongly against the war.  He was noteworthy for being so rare.


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Another reason to be worried... (4.00 / 1)
... about this analogy is that one motivation for British politicians to pursue "middle-of-the-road" policies (that were actually more conservative than the Conservatives had dared) was the desire to appease Murdoch-owned media.

It might be difficult to believe, but there was probably more fear of Murdoch among the left-wing in Britain in 1997 than among liberals in the USA in 2006/08. Murdoch owns both the Sun and Times newspapers. The Sun famously boasted about it's ability to deliver an election for the Conservatives in 1992... and somehow after that, Labour politicians have lacked the backbone to stand up to it. Obama's somewhat rueful comments about Fox news costing him several percent in the election might be a bit worrying in that regard.

The lesson to draw from this: I think that one of the most important roles of the netroots has been to ridicule Fox news et al.  The Sun switched sides in Britain before the election in 1997 and used that to maintain its aura of power and promote its right-wing agenda. Luckily, Fox did not switch sides to support the obvious winner in 2008. And hopefully blogs, and tv shows like Colbert can keep  the ridicule up to try to prevent the Washington villagers from giving Fox too much credibility.


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