Why Mumbai? Terrorism Has Many Causes. Here's One Of Them

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 10:47


In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, Gallup International did a poll in 37 countries--including the US--asking how America should respond to the attacks. Should they/we respond with a military attack, or should they/we take a criminal justice approach--tracking down those responsible, extradicting them, and putting them on trial.  Of the 35 nations, landslide majorities in 32 of them said that a criminal justice approach was best.  The three others?  Israel, the US, and... India.

This alone should have warned us not to take the path of war.  Israel and India have both spent decades responding to Islamic terrorist threats with war.  Hasn't worked.  But the more it doesn't work, the more determined their people have become.  Of course, they've also employed a criminal justice approach as well.  But they've had their own Guantanamos come out of that, as well.

Everywhere else, landslide majorities favored a non-military response, ranging  from 67% to 88% among NATO/Western European nations, from 64% to 83% among Eastern European nations, and from 83% to 94% in Latin America.

This held true even in countries with the highest levels of support for military action. In Western Europe, France and the Netherlands showed the strongest support for a military approach, but this position was outnumbered by 2-to-1. In Eastern Europe, the 64-22% breakdown in the Czech Republic was nearly 3-1 against a military response. In Latin America, Ecuador's 83-19% breakdown was over 4-1 against military action. In short, aside from the US, Israel and India, the overwhelming majority of people around the world favored treating this terrorist act as the crime it was, rather than the act of war the terrorists wanted it to be.  

Paul Rosenberg :: Why Mumbai? Terrorism Has Many Causes. Here's One Of Them
India and Pakistan have gone so far as to turn themselves into nuclear threats to one another.  And still the terrorism hasn't been stopped.

It's worth noting that while India and Isreal's support for a military response was overwhelming (72% and 77%, respectively), Americans joined with them only barely: just 54% supported a military response, while 30% favored a criminal justice response, and 16% were unsure.  Weeks later, when we attacked Afghanistan, 92% of Americans supported it.  But at that point, the sane alternative had been taken off the table.  So, even after 9/11, there was a tiny window of sanity.  The kind of murderous madness we saw on 9/11 cannot be stopped--it can only be fueled--by more murderous madness on a massively larger scale.

The same is true for the attacks on Mumbai.  Killing innocents in revenge for the death of innocents only kills more innocents.  What's more, when done by a democracy, it makes all would-be innocents guilty as well.  It puts blood on all our hands.

The hope may be dim.  The hope may be foolish in the immediate aftermath of the Mumbai attacks.  But the hope is all we have, that these attacks may play some role, at some point, in convincing the Indian people that blind vengeance is no answer to blind vengeance.  There must be a better way, however painful it may be.


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Perhaps I am ignorant of the Social Sciences. (0.00 / 0)
In fact, certainly, I do not have training in any of the Social Sciences.

Yet, I still wonder: how is a poll empirical data?

I am not challenging the thesis of this article. In fact, I agree with it. But have we come to a time when plebiscite democracy means that reality is just voted on and statistics are taken for evidence?

Please cure my ignorance. Before someone polls me and I skew reality.


A Poll Is A Sample (4.00 / 3)
The same way that a blood sample is empirical data about the state of your body, a poll is empirical data about the state of the body politic.

But have we come to a time when plebiscite democracy means that reality is just voted on and statistics are taken for evidence?

This is a non-sequiter.  People weren't be asked to vote on who they thought was guilty, or any other facts not already widely known.  They were asked what they thought was wise policy.  This revealed the mindset of the public in 37 nations around the globe, many of them with much more direct experience with terrorism than we have.

End of story.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Stopping war as a response to aggression (0.00 / 0)
needs to begin at the micro level:with families, spouses,neighbors etc. It is a matter of raising consciousness and you start with infants and children.  

[ Parent ]
Yes And No (4.00 / 1)
Of course it matters how people live their own lives, and cultivating non-violence on a personal, familial and community level has great value in and of itself, as well as setting an example for all relationships.

But at some point it's necessary to take this to a much higher level, in terms of social/political/cultural organizing.

After all, war is often rationalized in terms of protecting what is most precious, including a happy, peaceful and beloved community.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Emotional Thinking (0.00 / 0)
I seriously doubt I'll live to see the day when human beings figure out how truly emotional they are and how to avoid the cultural sand traps.

I think Ireland offers a good model.

But until we come to terms with the truth that we are deeply, deeply emotional creatures, no progress will be made.

We'll still skirt around the real issues on some kind of superficial, ineffectual level that pretends to be rational.


Hey, Give Us A Break! (0.00 / 0)
Humans are an incredibly young species.  As your comment indicates, we are only just now beginning to get our eyes focused on some of the more significant challenges we face.

From the POV of the individual lifetime, it's extremely frustrating, to be sure.  Which is why we all need to find some way we're comfortable with to incorporate a cosmic perspective as well.

Personally, I have several of them.  One is historical.  I like recall the leaders of slave rebellions, for example.  Any time I start thinking that we've got it tough for some reason or another, I think of Gabriel Prosser, Denmark Vessey, and Nat Turner.  Another is science fiction (Star Trek Socialism, anyone?) and fantasy (Buffy). Another is science--just immersing myself in the long view of evolutionary biology, and human evolution as part of it.

But whatever does it for you, some form of transcendent perspective is absolutely vital, IMHO.  It's what gives us strength to face the problems in front of us, rather than turning away.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Religion plays a key and complicating role too (4.00 / 2)
I recommend reading the Chabad.org website for some pretty fascinating reactions to the slaughter of the Hertzbergs, young parents who directed the Chabad house in Mumbai. Amidst the wrenching expressions of suffering, loss and grief, there are a number of calls for revenge and for God to mete out punishments. I tried to post a comment there challenging both the war metaphors and the rush to rebuild the Chabad house (which was 5 stories and is now proposed to be 10). I suggested that the Chabad leadership take this moment to reflect on the geopolitical reality before putting more of their members at risk. I suggested that they read, for instance, the illuminating piece by MJ Akbar in The Guardian (via 3QuarksDaily). For some crazy reason, my comment never posted.  

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