The Real Rivalry In the Team: The Cabinet vs. The Campaign Promises

by: David Sirota

Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 10:16


Just as an add-on to my column this week, I wanted to add two more macro thoughts about Obama's appointments, and progressive unrest about those appointments.

First, I think there's a psychological aspect to what bothers progressives about Obama's refusal to appoint movement progressives to key positions. The public opinion data overwhelmingly confirms that Obama won with a clear progressive mandate - to argue otherwise against cut-and-dry numbers is to mimic an ostrich shoving its head in the sand, or to mimic the Braindead Megaphone's insistence that this is a "center-right nation." Additionally, nobody argues that his victory wasn't the product of huge progressive grassroots support. So in light of that, there's a perception that he's delivering the spoils of that victory to those who embody what the election rejected.

In that sense, there's a Rodney Dangerfield harrumph - we progressives get no respect. That's understandable, but we're going to have to keep our eye on the policy, understanding that personnel impacts policy, but isn't policy itself. And the policy is ultimately what defines true respect (and disrespect).

Second, the meaningless "pragmatic Team of Rivals" horseshit - and it truly is media-created horsehit - is clearly being used as a rationale to pack the incoming administration with Establishment figures. Indeed, the "rivalry" isn't between the "team" of appointees (most of them come from the same team - ie. the center-right team of permanent Washington). The "rivalry" is between the positions/ideology of the appointees and the positions/ideology Obama explicitly campaigned on.  

David Sirota :: The Real Rivalry In the Team: The Cabinet vs. The Campaign Promises
For instance, the "rivalry" isn't between Bob Rubin proteges Larry Summers and Tim Geithner on economic policy - it is between Summers and Geithner the ideological deregulators and Obama's promises to better regulate Wall Street. Likewise, the "rivalry" isn't between Hillary Clinton and the other "hawks" on the foreign policy team, it is between Clinton who bashed Obama's proposals for more diplomacy with enemies and Obama's promises to diplomatically reach out to enemy nations.

The problem could be something of a cloistering effect. George W. Bush was criticized for putting yes men around him - people who didn't challenge his thinking. By contrast, Obama is being praised for assembling a "Team of Rivals" that will challenge his thinking and, by extension, his campaign promises (it's logical, after all, to believe his campaign promises are an extension of his thinking). But if that team is comprised mostly of the same kinds of voices from the same Establishment perspective, it will likely mean constant if subtle pressure on the President to water down his policies. In short, he won't be surrounded by yes men - he'll be surrounded by no men.

It's certainly possible that Obama will not be affected at all by the voices he puts around him, and that - as I wrote earlier - he is banking on getting center-right Establishment figures to carry center-left Establishment-challenging policy. We should withhold final judgment until we see the policies come January 2009 and beyond. We don't know that this conservatives-carrying-progressive-legislation strategy is his goal, but we can certainly hope, and we can additionally hope that he didn't appoint center-right Establishment figures to carry a center-right Establishment agenda.

That said, I think those who say that the latter isn't possible and that the only rationale thing to do is simply trust Obama's "buck stops here" promise yesterday are being willfully stupid and dishonest - both to themselves and to those they are arguing with. They claim progressives are being "purists" for the progressive agenda - as if they aren't being pro-Obama purists (ie. purists who refuse to question the Dear Leader). And really, what's better - supposed "purists" whose purity is about a set of policies, or purists whose purity is about who can most loyally worship an individual?

The truth is, we all want Obama to do well - but there's nothing disloyal, silly or uniformed about looking at his appointments and asking why many of them seem to individually represent positions and ideologies at odds with the positions and ideologies he campaigned on. And despite the insistence by some that we should "just wait until Obama's in office"  and shut up and "give Obama a chance," there's nothing disloyal, silly or uninformed about speaking out about those questions and concerns now - because he is already exercising power when making these appointments, and as Frederick Douglass said, "power concedes nothing without demand."

As a great philosopher asked, "If not now, when?" And to that I'll add, if not us now, then someone else now. By that I mean, if there isn't progressive pressure now, then there will be pressure from somewhere else.

In fact, there already is - it's no accident that the conservative noise machine from Karl Rove on down is praising Obama's appointments, and effectively creating that rightward pull. If there isn't similar progressive pressure now, don't be surprised if the debate - and thus the policy - starts slowly creeping right. As Chris Bowers notes, even Bill Clinton understood the value of progressive pressure - and noted that without such pressure he was forced to the right. That means progressive pressure benefits Obama by helping him play off it and define the progressive center his campaign promises embody.


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Democrats often talk left but (4.00 / 4)
govern right and center.  Gore was a populist in 2000, like Clinton in 1992.  Clinton accomidated power.  We'll never know what Gore would have done.

Obama was a great advertising success.  That progressives still have hope, in spite of all they see, is interesting.

Pick after pick, position after position, shows that Clinton and Obama were virtually the same.  Okay, Clinton might have picked a more left of center SoS.

Progressives matter for money and foot soldiers, but that's it.  Third parties don't work and primaries don't work.

All we can do is beg Obama to throw us a bone.  EFCA?

Perhaps the progressive netroots needs to think about this.  


Bingo (4.00 / 4)
Well said.

And if we want to effect debate, "now" is always the right time. The stakes are too high. Better to try and impact these decisions now, as if we go all "yes men" ourselves, we potentially put ourselves in the position of having to mobilize progressive activism towards policy goals next year from farther in the hole than necessary - and that means wasted time and effort climbing out that we (and the people who stand to lose the most from staus quo centrism) can't afford.

undercaffeinated


Depends (0.00 / 0)
I'm going to agree with you regarding the "National Security Team".    Jones and Gates bother me and I still don't know what to think if Clinton.    

However, on the financial/economic front, I think Obama's team can and will carry his message and they may do so with more credibility because of their so-called center right backgrounds.    

For me, the Attorney General is a key position.   The Bush team did so much damage there that we need an AG who will really kick ass.    I sure hope Holder is that guy.    


But there have been some good signs... (4.00 / 4)
For instance, even though Barack's keeping Robert Gates as SecDef, he's removing the neocons surrounding gates.

I think that is indeed a good sign


What is silly is (4.00 / 2)
saying:
Obama won with a clear progressive mandate and thanks to huge progressive support, and there's a perception that he's delivering the spoils of that victory to those who embody what the election rejected.

Obama did not run on any mandate except a change from running the government based on ideology alone.  He promised to be a President for all the people and to encompass a variety of views by his appointments.  He is keeping that promise.  The fact that he received huge Progressive support does not suggest he should change course from what he promised.  It does suggest that you are way off in terms of what that Progressive support was voting for.  I did not vote for Obama to operate in the ideological pure way you would have him, nor did most Progressives.  People are not as dumb as you would make them out be - we/they knew exactly what we were voting for.

What I don't understand is why an obviously smart and informed person as yourself continues to offer such surface analysis such as defining a man like Larry Summers as anyone's "protege".  He may be many things but he is no disciple or protege.  And why turn a person as complex as Hillary Clinton into something as simplistic as her failed campaign tactics.  Her bashing Obama on diplomacy didn't work precisely because it didn't ring true to who she is, someone who is quite Progressive in her views on diplomacy.  Her failure in her ultimate vote on the War was couched in an argument for increasing our reliance on diplomacy and the United Nations.  That is the complexity Obama is embracing and the ideology he is reinforcing by making her Secretary of State and not Secretary of Defense.  More and more you are turning into exactly what Frank Schaeffer is talking about in his piece on Huffington  Post:

Under the surface gloss of the left wing criticism of Obama there is, I suspect, something else: the critic's psychological need to feel indispensable, not to mention superior to those of us who like, trust and will follow President-elect Obama because he strikes our gut as likable, trustworthy and deserving of loyalty based on the self-evident merits of his outstanding character. It's just not in their genes to ever be so "ordinary" as to become team players, even when their side has just won. They would rather be in permanent opposition than ever be accused of -- horrors! -- being mainstream.

Again; I know about this form of messianic mental illness all too well from my own delusional days as a leader in the fundamentalist evangelical world back in the 70s and early 80s. We were proud of being outsiders, yet resentful of not being included, and yet again weirdly and moralistically haughty because of our self-imposed outsider status.

For the fundamentalists of the left, it's no good just getting the job done, let alone doing it in a way that mirrors this diverse, complex and one-size-does-not-fit-all country we live in. From the point of view of the ideologically pure of heart, the only way to get the job done is an in-your-face crusade that humiliates former opponents. This is the don't-forgive-Lieberman "reeducation" theory of political change: it's not enough to just win then change things, you need to do so in a way that leaves anyone who ever disagreed with you punished and out in the cold, furious and plotting your downfall.



Obama's whole shtick (0.00 / 0)
was Red + Blue = Purple.

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Really? (0.00 / 0)
I don't remember him saying there is not the Red States or the Blue States but the Purple States of America.  He ran precisely against that type of framing.  He did something yesterday which I felt was a much more progressive move than any pick he could of made, which was the re-elevation of the Representative to the U.N. to cabinet level status, and yet this has gone largely unnoticed here.  

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interpretations (0.00 / 0)
That move could be interpreted idealistically as a gesture towards international cooperation, or skeptically as an attempt to limit Hillary's influence over the UN Rep, or both, I guess.

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What is equally as silly (4.00 / 1)
is David saying: "We should withhold final judgment until we see the policies come January 2009." Final judgment? in January 2009? Wow. That is a hard test. Could it maybe be stretched out to, oh, let's see....mid-February 2009? I mean, really, give the guy a few weeks before you decide he is worthless.....

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And yet (4.00 / 1)
when January 2009 ends and he has already passed SCHIP and Stem-Cell Research and a massive stimulus package aimed at job creation and infrastructure improvements, it will be critiqued (as it already has) not as a matter of correcting errors of the Bush administration and putting the economy back on track, but simply a matter avoiding conflicts and tough battles.  

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The fact is... (4.00 / 1)
President Obama has a huge majority in the House and a smaller one in the Senate.  He is thus largely able to get much more done than a President with a split government.  He can call Nancy Pelosi over, tell her to have a bill written on such and such, the bill will pass the House easily.  In the Senate, his only concern will be convincing a few centrist GOP Senators to sign on, if he truly wants the bill passed.  If he wants to create an partisan battle, he can put forth a bill that the GOP Senators block, and then accuse them of obstructing getting things done.  In short, he can write the bills - the ball is in his court, and whatever is accomplished by this administration will rest largely on his shoulders.  If he picks easy targets, then that is the kind of governor he is.

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What I object to (4.00 / 1)
is classifying worthy bills as easy targets.  If he avoids Health Care Reform and Carbon cap and trade then we all will have something to legitimately gripe about.  But passing something like SCHIP immediately because it can be passed immediately and it needs to be passed immediately is not related in any way to the issues which will require more careful political planning including effective public-pressure mobilization.  

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Thank you dd2 (0.00 / 0)
You are right. And Sirota NO WHERE in the survey you quote was anyone asked if they self identify as a progressive. In fact I would bet the average American doesn't even know what a progressive is or what we stand for. But hey your

"concern" is always appreciated.


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Durable social change (4.00 / 3)
What progressives should want, most of all, should not be just a leader with progressive principles who makes movement progressive appointments, but one who will be able to accomplish social change that is durable and not emphemeral.  If the agenda generates a backlash and a big loss in 4 years that reverses everything that is gained, it won't do much long term good.  Another Great Society won't do progressives much good in the long run.  Another New Deal could have a lasting impact.  

Politics is the art of the possible.  It is important to be aggressive and press our advantage, but also to be prudent not to overreach.  I am confident we will get more lasting social change out of this administration than the last Democratic one, even if John Sweeney isn't the Secretary of the Treasury.


Liberals elected to office (4.00 / 2)
consider themselves to represent the leftmost point of rational politics. So of course Obama's gonna appoint people farther to the right than himself (or at least his campaign talk). He's as left as anyone can sensibly be. Elected Democrats consider people farther to the left than they are 'fringier'. They had to make practical concessions to get elected, and that's valuable real-world experience that the fringe rejects. So elected Dems, even liberals ones, lean right.

Conservatives elected to office consider themselves to represent a mid-point of rational politics ... and they look at people farther to the right as 'purer' conservatives than they. They had to make practical concessions to get elected, but the farther right you are, the truer a conservative. That's a good thing. So elected Repubs, even conservative ones, lean right.

In other news, I found the password to my account. Yay.


Dsulz (4.00 / 2)
I completely agree with you.  Personally, I am cautiously optimistic, because I think that what a lot of people don't realize is that the establishment consensus on both foreign and domestic policy has moved to the left on a lot of issues.  In other words, I think that someone like Summers really is a kind of covert progressive.  Geithner too, has moved away from his deregulatory stance in the 1990's.  He was calling for more regulation (although not particularly forcefully, but nevertheless) before the collapse occurred.  Furthermore, on healthcare Obama seems to be sending all of the right signals.  Like many progressives, I think that healthcare reform must be at the center of the progressive agenda, because now is a moment where major change in healthcare is uniquely possible AND because it will remind Americans at large that government can make their lives better.  Daschle at HHS and Peter Orszag as budget director both send clear signals that Obama will move aggressively on Healthcare early in the administration.  So, because I feel like Obama is making the right noises on healthcare, in a sense, I'm willing to cut him some slack in some other areas.  

That being said, anyone who thinks that appointments don't effect policy is deluding themselves.  I think that there does need to be a left flank which pushes back on Obama about some of these appointments.  The question is how to do that.  I do not think that the strongest way to do that is to make the Rodney Dangerfield argument: progressives get no respect, even when it was our policies and support that helped the candidate win.  It sounds self-pitying, and it doesn't really speak to the REAL PROBLEM that certain appointments may have: that they may not be good stewards for the policies of an Obama administration.  The successful pushback against John Brennan was an excellent example of this.  What made the argument successful was not that it invoked the grievances of the progressive blogosphere, but that it articulated very clearly how certain promises Obama made during the campaign would be undermined by Brennan's appointment.  It was also a place where progressives (and civil libertarians) drew a line in the sand.  

I'm not sure where I'm going with this; it seems like part of the problem is that Obama's other appointments aren't quite as clearly anti-thetical to Obama's vision as Brennan was.  Consequently, we see a lot of progressives who are uneasy, but aren't going to draw a line in the sand over, say, Bob Gates in the same way that they did regarding Brennan.  As a result, what comes out is a lot of hand-wringing.  

What I would like to see instead is the following argument:  If Obama wants to nominate establishment figures to implement a progressive agenda, there's not a lot that we can do to stop him--unless those figures have a particulary strong link to the criminality of the Bush administration (see: John Brennan).  We would love to see a died-in-the-wool progressive as a major cabinet appointment, but if Obama doesn't do that then so be it.  HOWEVER, what this means is that we on the left will be watching very closely to see if this represents a larger shift in a policy.  In other words, rather than engaging in frustrated, self-pitying rhetoric, we can simply issue a warning:  Our patience with your administration is not infinite.  If you choose to retreat into establishment positions on, say, preferring incremental change in Healthcare, to big sweeping change, we are prepared to withdraw our support and rally against you.  

Its about drawing clear lines in the sand.  But its also about making those lines practical and reality-based, given the conformist nature of washington and our political process.  


The self-appointed "keepers of the flame" (0.00 / 0)
continue the drumbeat. And succeed in marginalizing themselves even more.

if we're about to be marginalized, it wasn't our choice. (4.00 / 5)
if anything, Sirota is warning us that we're about to be marginalized. would it be smarter to just cave in, and not demand anything, not debate, not criticize? because i guarantee you, the people criticizing Obama from the right are not "marginalizing themselves". they're shifting the debate. and anyone who isn't applying counter-pressure is enabling them.

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remaining silent is self-marginalization (4.00 / 2)
is it not?

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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David, I note a creeping note of mollification in your recent posts. (4.00 / 4)
There is no need for this. As someone who volunteered for the Obama campaign, I feel as you do: angry and betrayed. Let's look at this thing, as Chomsky says, without illusions: Obama was carried into office through progressives, a shifting middle tired of Bush, money through traditionally Dem sources(unions, lawyers, teachers), and money through Wall Street. He is paying back the last group on this list, and is trying to trade progressives for a ballooning group that has neither the time nor the inclination to care that much about issues--the great middle. The scary thing--the Pres is, strangely, one of the most insulated persons in the govt. As I learned recently, the Pres is prohibited from using electronic devices other than the few lines provided--no internet access, I assume. So guys like Rahm Emmanuel have a lot of influence. I don't believe Obama is going to shift left--I think the rightward drift is a trend.

Obama is not an ideologue, (0.00 / 0)
he is a careerist (who got very, very lucky).

I don't think he is a bad guy, but he is afraid to tell the truth; e.g. his economic team intends to avoid a "deep recession". He knows that it is impossible to even avoid a deep depression.


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Pulling Obama Left (4.00 / 3)
You say that Republican praise pulls Obama to the right.  Praise creates a different pressure than criticism.  Perhaps the appropriate method for a progressive counter-push (counter-pull?) is not to be critical but to find an occasion for praise, however insincere, in order to control the narrative.  Come up with some interpretation of these appointments as signaling a commitment towards withdrawal from Iraq as the top priority of Obama's military and foreign policy agenda, so that any deviation from a timetable for withdrawal without a damn good reason makes Obama look faithless.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

this is actually a pretty good idea (0.00 / 0)


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"If not now, when" Hillel first century BCE rabbi, sage, tannaf (4.00 / 1)
and the main force in the creation of the Mishnah which eventually became the Hebrew Talmud. His words were the governing words.  If there was a disagreement between the the words of the tannaim, his interpretation was the preferred interpretation. His rival was Shammai, who was harsh and punitive, just like Republicans.  Hillel was the first progresive Democrat.  His interpretations were compassionate and broad and in Jewish law, controlling.

Hillel was not just a philosopher but a lawgiver. As the verbal dicta known as Halakha governs the lives on Jews in Israel and in the diaspora.

It says in full.  

"If I am not for myself, who will be?"
"If I am not for others, what am I?"
"If not not,when"

Hillel was also the creator of the golden rule, though he the way he phrased it was much more subtle than Jesus's quote.

"Do not do unto others what you would not want done unto you"

In his famous formulation, Hillel weighted equally both sides of each question.  He was saying being for oneself was essential, good and neccessary. For others will not be for you if you are not for yourself? If not now...that thought very much allows for it NOT being now....Now may not be the right time...but is there a time for what must be?  That is "if not now, when" It gives equal urgency to both sides.

I am actually not making a political point about today....but it is a saying that is easily misunderstood.

I am personally of the opinion that now is the time.

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


Team of Rivals (0.00 / 0)
The "team of rivals" may be BS, but it is Obama created BS, not media created. Looks to me like he created it to give the media something middlebrow to gnaw on.

Labels (0.00 / 0)
I'm not sure what progressive actually means.  It's not a term that lends itself to a well-defined "brand."  None of the labels are right now, actually.

Just one example:  During the primary, it appeared from everyone claiming that mantle that it had to do with the war vote.  Yet, when Obama named Biden, who clearly voted for the war, no outcry was heard.

So what did the "brand" really mean?  Not much, obviously.


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