Policies And Personnel Both Matter

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Dec 08, 2008 at 19:33


A quick note from the "this should be obvious" department: policies and personnel both matter. It is not either / or. One is not wholly dependant upon the other.

If personnel did not matter, and only the policies of the President mattered, then there would be no need for any President to appoint anyone new in the federal government. Obama would not need to fire anyone in the Bush administration, except Bush himself. Before that, Bush would have not needed to fire anyone in the Clinton administration. And Clinton would not have needed to fire anyone from Bush Sr.'s administration. Etc.

Personnel is obviously important, in and of itself. The two main reasons for this are as follows:

  1. Advice: Senior White House staff and cabinet appointees are the closest advisors of the President. These are the people who will be in the room with soon-to-be President Obama when the big decisions on policy and strategy are made. What they say in these meetings, and the perspectives they bring with them to these meetings, will therefore play a role in how policy and strategy are shaped during the Obama administration.

  2. Implementation: The federal government is absolutely enormous, with a budget roughly ($2.73 Trillion in 2007, according to wikipedia) equal to the economy of the United Kingdom (2.73 Trillion in 2007, according to the World Bank). Something this large cannot be micromanaged by any one individual, as the President is not the Borg Queen. The actual daily management of the federal government, as well as the implementation of the President's polices, will be overseen by individuals who simply cannot, and will not, act as a perfect simulacrum of the inside of President Obama's mind. As such, the ideological predilections, and indeed even personalities, of the people appointed to run the federal government matter a great deal in how the government will operate.
Now, this is not to argue that Obama's policies don't matter. Of course they matter, and arguing otherwise would be just as inane as arguing that personnel don't matter. If policy didn't matter, then we would never need a new President. If personnel didn't matter, than we would never need new people to work for the President. The point is that policy and personnel both matter, and that they both matter independently of each other. The people hired to run the federal government will have to follow Obama's policies. At the same time, the people hired to run the federal government will have a lot of say over exactly how Obama's policies are followed, and also over the formulation of new policies. Both policy and personnel matter quite a darn bit. One does not subsume the other.

Right now, during the transition, Obama is not making a lot of policy. Certainly, policy planning and drafting is taking place, but there is not a single piece of legislation that the Obama administration has crafted and sent before Congress. Instead, the main news right now when it comes to the Obama administration are his staff and cabinet appointments. Those hires are being made right now. As such, currently personnel is at the forefront of the news, not policy.

That, of course, will not always be the case. In fact, once Obama is sworn in and then over the next four years, policy discussions will almost always dominate. There will be rare exceptions when major staff or cabinet changes need to be made, but almost all the time the focus will be on policy. When it comes to policy, I anticipate a fairly high level of agreement with the direction that Obama pursues.

That is all. Hopefully, this was already obvious to most people. I apologize to all of those people who already knew this.

Chris Bowers :: Policies And Personnel Both Matter

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Chris (4.00 / 3)
This is the last straw.  I am sick of you cutting everyone down.  Release the whitey tape, or stop threatening us like this.

No way (4.00 / 1)
I heard that Chris personally appealed to his old friend, Clarence Thomas, to bring that citizenship case to a vote of the Supreme Court.

[ Parent ]
This is what it's come to (4.00 / 12)
thanks to the reflexive, widespread defense of Obama:

A thoughtful, valuable blogger has to use a post to explain that who is in an administration matters.

In his next post, he will explain that the words he chooses matter.


later we'll find out that both the decisions and the people on the supreme court matter (4.00 / 5)
And the law clerks matter too, especially Thomas's.  

[ Parent ]
Why (2.00 / 4)
Then why has 100% of the Open Left coverage been whiny personality coverage?

Huh? That is totally false. (4.00 / 4)
Obvioulsy you have not read this blog.

[ Parent ]
Maybe Semblance did read the blog (4.00 / 2)
but has a different take on what has been written.  I am really quite tired of the 'read the post' response.  It is demeaning and senseless.  The person read the post, they have a different take on what the post said.  Address the differences, clear up confusion, but stop saying 'read the post'.    

[ Parent ]
Is this like those people who kept ... (4.00 / 1)
...saying during the campaign (and still today): read Obama's Web site?

[ Parent ]
No, it is not. (4.00 / 2)
It's like two people read the same thing and have two completely different interpretations of it.  Happens all the time.  Telling someone to 'read the post' is just not conducive to actually getting those two people to be able to see each other's point of view or interpretation.  

[ Parent ]
Isnt that (1.00 / 4)
The exact same argument puma's had when ridiculing obama? that he needs people to read his website to get the beef on his policies?

It sure shines line on who some these so called critics of the left coming from. from the sea of now an irrelevant movement.


[ Parent ]
Proof read Correction (1.33 / 3)
It sure shines Light on who some of these so called critics of the left are coming from. They are coming From a sea of now an irrelevant movement.

[ Parent ]
Excellent post, Chris. (4.00 / 3)
I thought your reference ot the Borg Queen brought it home.  Of course personnel matters.

This is why the unions went to Biden and he agreed to be their voice.  Biden hired an economist, so at least labor has a voice.  The unions saw it and acted.    

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...

Dec. 6 (Bloomberg)

snip

He made the decision to be a voice for workers as vice president after union officials called him to complain that their interests aren't represented by President- elect Obama's economic advisers, according to two members of the transition team.

Some Democrats and labor officials are concerned about Obama's selection of New York Federal Reserve Bank President Timothy Geithner as Treasury secretary and former Treasury chief Lawrence Summers to be White House economic director. Both are linked to Robert Rubin, who as former President Bill Clinton's top economic adviser pushed the North American Free Trade Agreement, which labor opposed.

snip

Now, Biden, 66, is signaling his commitment to these backers. Yesterday, he appointed Jared Bernstein, a scholar of income inequality and a labor advocate, to the newly created position of chief economic adviser to the vice president.

snip

Leo Gerard, president of the United Steelworkers of America, said he and other union leaders have warned the Obama team about the need for labor to be heard.



thank you for that link (4.00 / 2)
That is very interesting.  Especially after the silly Marc Ambinder post today, that points to Bernstein as a sign the left should not complain -- evidently, the causal connection goes the way if the complaints resulted in Bernstein.  

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

[ Parent ]
No, no, no. Obama will make the policy ... (4.00 / 10)
...and these folks he's appointed will carry them out. Their own views don't really matter.

Which means that Tom Tancredo, with executive experience in the old Department of Education, should do a bang-up job as head of the Immigration and Customs Service.

If personnel didn't matter, then the President-Elect could just pick his choices at random out of the phonebook, or from the e-mail lists of millions gathered during the campaign.

Steve Fraser's commentary about FDR vs. Obama's picks is instructive. It's not so much the individual personnel Obama is picking that is worrisome; it is the collective effect of so many like-minded folks without that inclusive range of opinions we were promised. It's not that he plans to "govern from the center." That's expected all along. But we were told - repeatedly - that opinions across the spectrum would be sought. If there are no or few insiders with opinions on the left-progressive side of the spectrum, how will those opinions get past the gatekeepers?  


I think right here you have one of the critical points: (4.00 / 1)
"Steve Fraser's commentary about FDR vs. Obama's picks is instructive. It's not so much the individual personnel Obama is picking that is worrisome; it is the collective effect of so many like-minded folks without that inclusive range of opinions we were promised. It's not that he plans to "govern from the center." That's expected all along. But we were told - repeatedly - that opinions across the spectrum would be sought. If there are no or few insiders with opinions on the left-progressive side of the spectrum, how will those opinions get past the gatekeepers?"

One other point which goes to the recent attack by Obama/Hildebrand directly on the left. This is being done with an eye to maximizing the fracture. And I think it is worth pondering why. There is the mundane explanation which I am not sure convinces even me that Obama for some reason feels it critical to woo the center-right and the "Village". Now this is not in itself a bad idea, but dumping some of your most loyal and vocal supporters in this way is significant. I sure wouldn't mind hearing some cogent conjectures here.


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A bizarre comment (4.00 / 1)
Look, the notion that there's some way Obama just "sets the policy", and others simply "carry it out" is nearly delusional in its naivete.

Despite popular belief, Obama can't be everywhere, he can't oversee everything, and, likely most remarkable to posters like you, he doesn't know everything.

He will rely on others to explain how things work to him. What kind of diplomatic moves will be appropriate with Iran? What does it mean to talk about Jerusalem being the undivided capital of Israel? What kinds of mandates will be necessary to make health care work and pass political muster? What happens if unions are given the card-check option? How much of a stimulus, and in precisely what areas, will the economy need to forestall a major recession? Acting as though Obama just "sets the policy" on these matters in a context in which he is not being given very specific, and very likely biased, advice from those he has appointed is mindless.

The real question is whether Obama might manage to be more than the sum of his advisers, given his own level of inexperience. If he had come into office with a robust set of well thought out beliefs -- which only experience can generate -- he might strike out in ways independent from them. How he might do so given his inexperience, combined perhaps fatally with a characteristic personal caution, is truly hard to make out.


[ Parent ]
If you think my comment diverges from ... (4.00 / 3)
...your point of view in this, you missed my snark in the first two paragraphs.

[ Parent ]
My apologies for missing the snark (4.00 / 2)
I should have read the remainder of your comment more carefully.

Sometimes snark can be convincing enough that it stops one in one's tracks.


[ Parent ]
Chris, I think (4.00 / 5)
you might actually understate the importance of the people around the president given the bubble in which s/he exists, even when you're a curious person like Obama (as opposed to you know who.)

This sentence by Larry Lindsey caught my eye. It rings true despite its author.

Some Democrats have complained that nearly all of Mr. Obama's appointments are part of the Washington establishment, hardly symbols of change. Mr. Obama's organization responds that even though this is true, it will be the president who makes the decisions.

This is technically true. But the operational realities of governing mean that nearly all of the information, people and ideas that Mr. Obama will be exposed to will be determined by someone else.

How many progressives have his ear? Melody Barnes? Who else?


Jared Bernstein. It's a very small group ... (4.00 / 6)
...so far. And in foreign policy, nonexistent. But I think we have to be careful with that label "progressive." It has come to encompass everybody from some socialists to some libertarians. I wish there were a better term, but I'm stuck adding a qualifier, "left-progressive." Even that is far from perfect, but it narrows things down a little.

[ Parent ]
Right, well (4.00 / 4)
the limits of labels. And language. I've heard Newt Gingrich call himself a progressive.

The term "movement progressive" sounds pretty cool, but I'm not exactly sure what that means either.

I feel like terms progressive, as it emerged in the seventies, meant someone to the left of liberals. But now it's so widely used, I feel like the term "liberal" has gotten to the left of the term "progressive."


[ Parent ]
I've had a different sense of progressive (4.00 / 1)
I always interpreted "progressive" as referring to liberals who aren't DFHs, more thoughtful and incrementalist than emotional and radical.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

[ Parent ]
It Was Taken Up By DFH's Who Opposed the Vietnam War (4.00 / 9)
and wanted to distance themselves from the Cold War liberals who brought us the Vietnam War.

I know.  I was one of them.

Then, in the late 1980s, the DLC crowd decided to try to steal the label for themselves.  They set up the "Progressive Policy Institute," for example.

I, for one, am still waiting to see the first example of progressive policy to come out of their doors.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
Someone else who remembers. It's ... (0.00 / 0)
...amazing how few people who call themselves progressives actually know this history, Paul.

[ Parent ]
I like 'leftist' (0.00 / 0)
It's relatively ancient, the meaning is hard to twist and its non-specific enough that it doesn't tie the bearer to any particular ideological creed.

Plus, it has stubborn DFH connotations that I just love.

Forgotten Countries - a foreign policy-focused blog


[ Parent ]
I've always associated it with (0.00 / 0)
the disappeared history of America, such as is described here:

http://www.u-s-history.com/pag...

Another Gilded Age deserves another Progressive Movement.

Montani semper liberi


[ Parent ]
Bernstein... (4.00 / 2)
it appears, has been sequestered to the VP office, and likely won't have direct access to the Prez.

[ Parent ]
Why would Bernstein have Obama's ear? (4.00 / 3)
I think being Biden's adviser, he has Biden's ear and Biden has Obama's ear, but I do not think this relationship is necessarily transitive.

[ Parent ]
Patrick Gaspard (4.00 / 5)
Progressive labor leader who is the political director, Ellen Moran who is communications director, Cecilia Muñoz who is Director of Intergovernmental Affairs, Lisa Brown who's staff secretary (one of the most important and underlooked positions), Chris Lu who's cabinet secretary, Mona Sutphen who's Deputy Chief of Staff, Phil Schiliro who handles legislative affairs. That good for a start?

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

[ Parent ]
imho (4.00 / 1)
Richardson, Daschle and Rice are left of this newly defined center and are certainly not dlc folk.

[ Parent ]
And Steinberg (0.00 / 0)
And rumored frontrunners for Labor (Maxwell), Interior (Grijalva), EPA (Jackson), Trade Rep (Becerra) and some of the names rumored on the shortlist for Energy, Transportation, Education and HUD.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

[ Parent ]
That's your opinion (4.00 / 3)
However, it is a fact that Richardson and Daschle are members of the DLC. Type their names and DLC into Google and the first thing to come up in each case is reports from their speeches to the 2002 and 2003 conferences they held.

If they're on the left, we must have become a very broad church recently.

Forgotten Countries - a foreign policy-focused blog


[ Parent ]
who's in and who's out (0.00 / 0)
is awfully subjective.

i will be very disappointed if his ed pick is aligned with the teachers union...as a local organizer i want to see teacher accountability. i care about kids not unions.

what church is that?


[ Parent ]
Richardson Was Definitely A DLC Member but (4.00 / 2)
I can't find any reference to Daschle being a member on their website or through Google. Speaking in front of a group and being a member are two different things.  I am not saying he wasn't but I'd like a little more proof than one speech he gave to the group when he was Majority Leader which was all I could find.

Daschle was not a good Senate leader but his voting record, especially considering he was from a very red state, was good.  You couldn't have asked for much better from South Dakota.


[ Parent ]
but richardson did not run for prez on a dlc platform (0.00 / 0)
nt

[ Parent ]
Pro-growth Democrat? (0.00 / 0)
Richardson was good on residual forces. Very good, in fact.

But dig a little deeper and he was one of the more right-leaning candidates in the field.

That's not to say it was pure DLC - he was smart enough to see that wouldn't work. But he wasn't the one providing the progressive viewpoint on anything bar Iraq.

Forgotten Countries - a foreign policy-focused blog


[ Parent ]
Endorsed by NDN in 2004 (4.00 / 1)
I wrote about it here. Daschle had to pull some serious centrist cred to snag that endorsement.

And I write this as someone who is cautiously optimistic about him as HHS.


[ Parent ]
excuse me, but why the surprise (0.00 / 0)
After Iowa,there were 3 Democratic Party candidates: a DLC board member, a "conservative white southern senator", and Obama. As I recall, Kucinich got well under 10% of the vote.

[ Parent ]
there will be ZERO response to this violation of narrative n/t (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
violation of what narrative? (4.00 / 1)
Which of those people is in cabinet?  Do they really have Obama's ear?  

[ Parent ]
Oh please (0.00 / 0)
do you really think that none of his senior staff many of whom worked for him for years have his ear? He will talk to most of them except maybe Muñoz more then he talks to most cabinet members. He was a classmate at Harvard with Lu, he gave Brown a huge role in the transition, Schiliro and Gaspard both worked on his campaign and he intensely lobbied Gaspard to give up his labor job beacuse he wanted him to take the job.  

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

[ Parent ]
how's about the director of the omb? (0.00 / 0)
either ignored or derided as a rubin protege, but actually a student of the sainted Steiglitz

http://www.cbpp.org/10-30-01sf...

Just the most important key to the money job, run by a student of Steiglitz who has been sounding the alarm about income inequality - a major issue for Goolsbey too.


[ Parent ]
Forgot about him (0.00 / 0)
Orszag is fantastic.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

[ Parent ]
but note - this deviation from narrative - CRICKETS (0.00 / 0)
The plot line is set. In fact, for many of the critics it was set in january 2008.

[ Parent ]
Even this post does not do justice (4.00 / 3)
to the real impact of personnel in Obama's case.

The special problem presented by Obama is twofold (at least).

1. He has himself very limited experience in matters of national policy, and even more limited experience in any kind of genuine executive function.

2. His own views, such as they are, have never been defined and elaborated, not even to himself, in a detailed way. There is simply no reason to believe that there's some well thought out and delineated body of policy that constitutes his "real" set of beliefs.

What this means is that he is, far more than any Democratic President Elect in modern times, largely a blank slate on the matters of policy and certainly on matters of their implementation.

He will depend on the advice of those below him far more than another, experienced candidate might. (This is of course almost certainly a major reason for why he has appointed a staff almost exclusively based on their experience level, rather than taking a chance on someone new with a divergent point of view -- how might he himself be in a position to judge the potential efficacy of anything unconventional that such a person might suggest?)


Even The Borg Queen Can't Do Everything Herself (4.00 / 2)
Something this large cannot be micromanaged by any one individual, as the President is not the Borg Queen.

Have you learned nothing from Star Trek, Voyager?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


I sure did... (4.00 / 7)
And it was "Don't watch Voyager".

[ Parent ]
talking past one another (4.00 / 4)
In my reading, there are very few people "on the left" who object to efforts to push Obama and his team to take more progressive positions and appoint more progressive officers. However, many people are objecting to the fruitless alarmed  foot stamping and tedious lecturing that seems to pass for "pressuring".  

Got a better idea? (0.00 / 0)
You've previously asked for more substance from my side of the debate. Can you return the favour?

How else can we apply pressure to push the Obama administration to the left? Because we all know it won't happen on its own.

Forgotten Countries - a foreign policy-focused blog


[ Parent ]
start pushing for a series of demonstrations/actions on iraq (4.00 / 1)
Obama needs to have a serious push on getting out of the war and to have it known in advance that the push starts 1/20/09

[ Parent ]
aeoi (4.00 / 2)
All of blogging can be written off as "tedious lecturing" and "foot stamping" - those are purely subjective adjectives because you disagree with the substance.    

[ Parent ]
what is not impressive is to see reheated arguments (0.00 / 0)
For example, Paul Rosenberg has been attacking Obama for over a year on the same grounds. An affectation of disappointment re Obama's appointments given a record of "explaining" that Obama was an unprincipled, short sighted, ignorant, hack, in dire need of some advice from the "left", is just not very moving.

[ Parent ]
Interior Willl be the Acid Test (4.00 / 1)
I've been reserving judgment, trying not to panic that there are really no liberals anywhere in this team so far.  My hope was that the "environment team" would be where we saw some real hard-core advocates - after eight years of extremism on the environment, consensus-building is not the order of the day.  Grijalva would obviously be a wonderful consolation prize for liberals.  But if it's Thompson, that will be Obama showing his true colors as far as I'm concerned - there are no core principles involved in an administration that would put Thompson at Interior at this point in our history in order to placate the gun lobby and snowmobile manufacturers.

If it's carryover for Hayden ... (4.00 / 1)
...that would be the acid test.

[ Parent ]
acid test of what? (0.00 / 0)
You have a rogue security organization with vast and vastly increased powers, supercharged with irresponsible ideologues, corrupt operators facing major jail time, not to mention unreconstructed racists and crazed religious nuts, you're a black guy elected President on a reform agenda, so you should decide 50 days out before having any authority that you are going to announce and intention to install a major reformer and clean house? Only if you have a death wish.
 

[ Parent ]
Whu? (0.00 / 0)
Not reappointing Hayden is not the same as declaring war on the CIA. There are other picks that will not lead to the CIA trying en masse to kill him.

Besides, if it really is as bad as you say - and whilst there's a lot of unpleasant things you could find under their floorboards, the picture you paint may be too bleak - why would it make sense to keep Hayden? They'd still hate Obama anyway and you'd have an amoral criminal in charge to boot.

Forgotten Countries - a foreign policy-focused blog


[ Parent ]
those people serve at the pleasure of the president (0.00 / 0)
nothing says you cannot change people 3 months into it. but prudence says that you do not try to panic members of a out-of-control secret service before you have secured control.


[ Parent ]
i kinda think this guy is right (4.00 / 2)
The conflict is this: the people who are kvetching want progressive policies carried out by people who are labeled 'progressive'; Obama wants to redefine progressive policies as mainstream pragmatism (a mirror image of Reagan successfully redefining whackjob right-wing ideas as 'mainstream'). Hence, they are working at cross-purposes.

Getting a bunch of top-level appointees who are labeled 'progressive' will make a lot of progressives feel personally validated. Redefining progressive policies as mainstream pragmatism could give us ideological and political dominance for decades to come. To elevate the former above the latter is the very definition of pettiness.

Tom Hilton posting on Ta-Nehisi Coates blog

http://ta-nehisicoates.theatla...


this would be great (4.00 / 2)
but can you see how that could be just another variation on "Obama's secret plan." Yes, we all hope it works out that way. Bill Clinton's secret plan I guess is still a secret.

[ Parent ]
i think its smart to be hyper-vigilant because: (0.00 / 0)
Obama will never advertise his strategy. (Bring on the imaginary secret plans.)

Obama won with out catering to the leftist-progressives (or whatever it is called) and will probably govern that way as well.

Obama doesn't care much about this constituency (i think its akin to not wanting to be pigeon-holed as a 'black politician' with all the baggage)

Obama is not concerned at all with solidifying a so-called progressive majority. He is more interested in building a working coalition representing a broad section of society. He will never carry the progressive water. period.


[ Parent ]
On the Economic Side, (0.00 / 0)
I am not too bothered because Geithner, Summers, et. al. are basically technicians called in to fix a complex problem.  But I will get bothered if we get through this mess just restoring the status quo ante.  We have to insist on real reform of the financial system.  We'll have a massive infrastructure rebuilding and expiration of the Bush tax cuts in time, too.

When you call in technicians (4.00 / 1)
to fix a complex problem, what do you think you will get but the status quo ante?

Montani semper liberi

[ Parent ]
Summers is no technician (4.00 / 2)
he is an ideologue who repeatedly screwed up crisis after crisis at the IMF in the 90's, and then brought that same screwed up ideology to the US when helping to repeal Glass-Steagall. He's not exactly clean either - look up his involvement with the Russian transition to capitalism. There were some notes about how he has recently focused on income inequality more, but the man has a lot to live down especially in light of his central role in this mess.

[ Parent ]
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