My Likes and Dislikes On Obama's Personnel Moves

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Dec 08, 2008 at 23:44


Now that I have clarified why we, or at least I, have focused on personnel instead of policy here at Open Left, let me clarify where I stand on Obama's senior personnel moves during the transition. Although I have been stereotyped by both the establishment media and by many blog commenters as a simplistic one-note progressive who supposedly dislikes everything Obama has done during the transition, my writing shows that this simply is not the case. In the extended entry, using my past writing on the subject, I place my opinion on all major Democratic personnel moves since November 4th into for categories: what I am excited about, what makes me cautiously optimistic, what leaves me wary, and what I actively dislike. Hopefully, it will help bring an end to certain arguments that have become increasingly irritating in their vagueness and generality.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: My Likes and Dislikes On Obama's Personnel Moves
What I am excited about

Cautiously Optimistic

  • Xavier Bacerra, U.S. Trade Representative. I really like Bacerra as U.S. Trade Reprentative. The reason I put this in "cautiously optimistic" is because he would have to resign his House leadership position. Of course, if someone else as good were to take that position, then this would be a development that excites me quite a bit.

  • Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State: Foreign policy has never been Clinton's most progressive area, despite a reasonably progressive policy array and voting record elsewhere. Still, I think she is absolutely deserving of a very high place in Obama's administration, given how close she came to the nomination. This is a strong, intra-coalition building move. I'm pretty optimistic on this one, even if it might be a gut feeling more than something supported by details and facts.

  • Tom Daschle, HHS: As I wrote about Daschle a couple weeks ago

    It should be noted that Tom Daschle might (I re-emphasize might) be in the opposite situation as Hillary Clinton, in that he will be overseeing a policy area where he actually is progressive, even though his overall record is not. I have also heard from sources that I trust that Daschle, unlike Harry Reid, regularly encouraged the Democratic Senate caucus to take a more progressive approach. I didn't hear any examples, and I am just repeating what I have heard. So, maybe Daschle will be alright. I have a wait and see attitude on his tenure.

    Even though I am wary of mandates, I am not a single-payer die hard, either. Health insurance is not an abstract concern for me or my family, and I am cautiously optimistic we will have an easier time scoring some with the work that Daschle will put in.

  • Raul Grijalva, Sectary of the Interior: Grijalva appears to be the frontrunner for Secretary of the Interior. He isn't a lock, but he seems like he would be a good pick given the legislation he has sponsored. I don't really know much on this one, but what I have seen makes me optimistic.

    Update: It appears Grijalva is out at interior. Damn. Commenter Phlogistician adds:

    Sadly, I've been assured by "connected" folks that the job is almost certainly going to Mike Thompson.  Do what you can to prevent this blue dog Democrat from getting this position!  He voted FOR Bush's Healthy Forests crap, against roadless areas in Tongess, against limiting bear baiting, against limiting roads, against funding fish/wildlife.  He's really really bad.

    Disappointing.

  • Eric Holder, Attorney General: Holder helped found the American Constitution Society, which makes him a real progressive organizer in the field he will be overseeing. This could turn into a very good pick. Still, there are some worrying signs, like representing Chiquita in a dispute with the Justice Department over funding right-wing paramilitary groups in Columbia. So, he could be very good, but there are some worrying signs.

  • Senior White House Staff: There are a number of progressives among Obama's senior White House staff. It isn't dominated by the left, but the left will have a number of strong voices. This is an area where I think the left will be represented in most major policy discussions. No guarantee we will win those discussions, but at least we will be represented. So, I'm cautiously optimistic. In fact, despite my early misgivings on Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff, the developments in the U.S. House since his departure leave me open to the move being a net positive.

Wary

Actively Dislike

So, there it is. Consider anything I didn't list here to be either in a "meh" category where I have no strong feelings either way, or the position to be lacking in any clear frontrunner. As you can see, the "what excites me" category is a little light, but the other three categories are all roughly the same size. Overall, it is a mixed bag, but I stand by my disappointment that there isn't more to get excited about from a left-wing perspective. Mind you, I don't consider it a betrayal, as this is pretty much how Obama has said he will govern. Still, maybe after seeing "HOPE" posters around Philly for the last nine months, the sentiment can wear off. I hoped for more than he was promising on personnel, and I ended up somewhat disappointed as a result.

However, it is hardly a total loss. After the last eight years, having anything to be excited about, or even cautiously optimistic about, is still a very good thing.


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Gates (4.00 / 7)
Really, it is the worst thing Obama has done since FISA, or maybe even before then.

Preach it brother. Except you left out the part about continuing torture.


Mike Hayden (4.00 / 4)
Hayden is much much much much worse than Brennan.

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Why are mcc and the other (0.00 / 0)
trolls still prowling this blog?

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Talk about an absue ot the troll rating (4.00 / 1)
Wow, that is a really bad troll rating by mcc.

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If falsely accusing people of condoning torture (0.00 / 0)
without even attempting to offer proof, evidence, or even a hint of what one is talking about, isn't appropriate for the troll rating... then why do you even have it?


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Wait (0.00 / 0)
I didn't until now understand that AliceDem's Hayden comment was supposed to be a clarification of AliceDem's original "condoning torture" point. If the Hayden thing is for real, then this is indeed condoning torture. My own personal interpretation of the evidence on the Hayden thing would be that it's a baseless rumor, but that is only my interpretation and AliceDem's comment at least makes sense in this context. Not that it matters but I withdrew my 0 rating.

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is Gitmo still in operation? (0.00 / 0)
is there still a secret gulag of American run prisions? Are we still tortuing people? Then Gates is a torturer.

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Does Gates have the ability to close Gitmo by himself? (0.00 / 0)
That's not an attempt to make a point, it's an honest question. I don't know.

I can think of some specific things Gates could have done on the torture issue but didn't, and I'm definitely not going to call his appointment as defense secretary a good idea, but he did come to power after the Detainee Treatment Act passed and I'm not aware of him ever specifically going to Congress and trying to convince them that waterboarding is a good idea. If your argument is that by keeping Gates on Obama is condoning torture that seems to me to be a bit convoluted.


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See? That's why TRing such a comment is a bad idea. (4.00 / 3)
Just leads to many false ratings, and unnecessarily poisons the atmosphere of the discourse. Also, if you always have to provide evidence, even if you just wanted to state your opinion, or when the facts are well known, this will result in preventing many comments. The broad consensus here seems to be to TR only name calling and personally insulting comments. This very liberal way of allowing even harsh criticism is different from many other blogs, but normally works reasonably well, with only few cases of trolling and TR abuse. Just remember, OpenLeft isn't DKos, so don't apply those "rules" here!    

Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested, we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back, nor did we falter

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Also (4.00 / 3)
there actually has been a lot of policy talk about each of the cabinet departments and the prior records of the nominees. It's not like people were advocated for or against on the basis of how they dressed.

Totally with you on Active Dislike ... (4.00 / 6)
...list. And I'm not so happy about losing Xavier Becerra as my northeast Los Angeles Rep.

Gates is a terrible choice. And if Mike Hayden is allowed to stay, too, that puts national security securely in the hands of people who it shouldn't be in the hands of.


Outmanuvering Clinton is nontrivial (0.00 / 0)
It hasn't shown up for a while, but the Secretary of State has a lot to say about foreign policy and national security, often more than the Defense Secretary and the National Security advisor.  Albright was probably more influential on policy than Cohen was, for example.  Certainly Kissinger had more to say about Nixon's foreign policy and national security strategy than anyone other than Tricky Dick himself.

I'm not really defending the Gates pick, but I am saying that perhaps it might not be as bad as our history of having Rumsfeld dictate Bush's foreign policy might indicate.


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Shinseki (4.00 / 3)
I like that he's the pick for Veteran's Affairs. But, I wonder why you feel that he is particularly suited for a higher post like Sec. Def? Is he a progressive because he was in opposition to the size of the Iraq invasion force? I figure that any military figure that ascribes to the Powell Doctrine and didn't roll over for Rumsfeld would have recommended overwhelming force. Again.. that's just smart military strategy. I'm not aware that he opposed the invasion in the first place, which is something that might qualify him for Secretary of Defense in a Democratic administration.


He did (4.00 / 2)
He opposed the invasion. Maybe it was only because he thought it wouldn't work, but that is still good enough for me.

And being smart on military strategy is an important qualification, imho.


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Shinseki (4.00 / 3)
There's a larger point to be made here.  In their strategy to sell the war, the administraton presented the war as urgent, cost effective, and relatively small.  The urgency was in the mushroom cloud, aluminum tube, yellow cake  rhetoric.  The cost effective sale was in presenting the war as paying for itself, and that Iraqi oil would pay for reconstruction.  And the relatively small opperation was presented in underestimating the troops needed along with the happy talk of being greeted as liberators. In short, the administration low-balled us into Iraq.

It's unclear whether Eric Shinseki opposed any war in Iraq.  What is clear is that he wasn't willing to go along with the strategy of lying us into war. He obviously thought it was more important to be honest with the public than was was to sell a war.

I'm with you on the Shinseki pick.  I have no doubt that he will be a strong advocate for veterans.    


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Steve Kagen? (4.00 / 1)
WI-08?
Wow, I've never heard his name mentioned for a Cabinet position, and he's my Rep. I campaigned with the guy for three years, and this surprises me.

On the ag committee (4.00 / 2)
He is about the only prog on the ag committee, iirc. Pretty much a desert on that committee.  

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Question? (4.00 / 1)
Are you leaving out Labor, Energy, Education and Interior, because no one has heard about anyone for these positions, or do they fall into the 'meh' category?  It seems to me, base on Obama's campaign promises, these Cabinet positions are the most likely to be filled with progressives.  

The former (0.00 / 0)
Are you leaving out Labor, Energy, Education and Interior, because no one has heard about anyone for these positions, or do they fall into the 'meh' category?

It's the former, although I did mention Interior.


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Any names we should be pushing for? (4.00 / 2)


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Couple of beers in me at this point (4.00 / 2)
I haven't looked too closely at those two cabinets, but I'll have some by tomorrow. Right now, I'm close to calling it a night.

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Good night, Chris! Good job today! (0.00 / 0)
Imho OpenLeft got back on the right track today. A very positive move, concentrating on the battles that are still undecided and where good progressives need more support to get appointed to influential positions. This is very exciting, and certainly much more rewarding than simply lamenting after decisions have been made. More of this, pls!
:-)  

Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested, we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back, nor did we falter

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Mary Beth Maxwell (4.00 / 4)
awesome progressive hopefully will get Labor. I think Dan Reicher would be great for energy and Education is kind of meh. One side of the debate will be disappointed.  

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in MI, many people are pushing Jennifer Granholm (0.00 / 0)
for Labor... although interestingly enough, David Bonior (a colleague close to her) just removed his own name from consideration but then pushed Mary Beth Maxwell for the position - which kinda indicates that Granholm is not interested or being considered for it. (story via MichiganLiberal.com: http://www.michiganliberal.com...

As has been rumored for weeks, it appears Granholm is still on the short list for Energy: http://www.michiganliberal.com...

Her name has also been bandied about as a possible Supreme Court justice nominee, when a position opens. There are many references to this from multiple sources.

These rumors can certainly be attributed to little bit of local dreaming, but there are decent reasons to believe Granholm may end up with a position in the Obama administration or Supreme Court:
1. She's term limited
2. She was in every photo op during Obama's first event after winning the election - she was at Biden's side during the Obama meeting about the economic crisis, and was placed behind Biden and Obama during Obama's press conference after that initial meeting. From what we've heard, her performance as a Sarah Palin in Biden's practice debates was very effective, and Biden has been very impressed with her.
3. She's relatively popular, an excellent speaker, and has a good resume as a lawyer and Attorney General before this, her second term as Governor in a state that is getting hammered economically. She also did an outstanding job this year handling legal proceedings as a result of the fiasco caused by (now former) Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.
4. There is a little bit of a void in highly popular Democrats that are likely to seek the Governor's position when Granholm's term is up. Her Lieutenant Governor is good, but definitely not a recognizable name or face outside of the insiders in MI politics. Giving him a chance to move up to the Governor's seat if Granholm leaves early would give him a good leg-up on us keeping a Democrat as Governor.

So, it will be interesting to see where she goes next. I wouldn't be too surprised if she lands some position in Obama's cabinet.


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Not so sure (0.00 / 0)
Bonior isn't a great ally of Granholm - he quickly endorsed her when she beat him in the primary, but he's much more of an issues guy. Would he really not support Maxwell based on home state ties? I doubt it. I think he just wanted the best choice rather than a resume pick.

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Grijalva is OUT for Interior (4.00 / 8)

Per lots of sources (here for example), Grijalva fell off the short list.  I got this sense, too, when he was quoted in the NY Times semi-fretting about Obama's picks.

Sadly, I've been assured by "connected" folks that the job is almost certainly going to Mike Thompson.  Do what you can to prevent this blue dog Democrat from getting this position!  He voted FOR Bush's Healthy Forests crap, against roadless areas in Tongess, against limiting bear baiting, against limiting roads, against funding fish/wildlife.  He's really really bad.


Thanks for the tip (4.00 / 1)
I'll update the post.

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cool... (4.00 / 5)

See my post for more info on Thompson, or grist's piece.  Obama did say that one of his main priorities for an Interior pick is that they should be a "sportsperson".  Well, that's Thompson.

Since Grijalva is apparently out, enviros are now desperately trying to push for an alternative, any alternative, to Thompson.  As that article notes, the new push is on Kevin Gover, but it's too little too late I fear.

What's important to note about some of these domestic positions, particularly Interior, is that they often are given leeway to set their own policy and agenda.  At least more so than, say, State and others which do take marching orders from the top.  So it's incredibly depressing to see some of these "centrist" types like Thompson take the lead.  Interior has been so ravaged under Bush, that we really do need top to bottom help.


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Christ, I assumed Thompson couldn't be that bad. (4.00 / 2)
I mean, his only financially significant constituents are pot growers and winemakers.  Maybe a timber company, but come on, timber hasn't been king in Humboldt for a long long time.  Knowing nothing more than his district, I just conjectured that the kind of guy who gets elected in Humboldt-Mendocino-Napa is one who knows how to roll with some progs.  I guess that's what I get for guessing.

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yeah... (4.00 / 5)

His big donors actually are the alcohol lobby, Koch Industries (oil/gas), and Safari Club International (guys who hunt rhinos and elephants).  He even got Legislator of the Year from Safari Club International, no doubt for being one of the few Democrats to vote AGAINST closing a loophole to allow importation of polar bear heads into the US.

And as this site notes:

Mike Thompson has a Democratic Party constituency that is much more liberal than he is.

Thompson is indeed a hunter, which I suppose is why Obama is circling him.  But he is NOT the best candidate to head Interior... not by a long shot.



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As long as the decision hasn't be made, it's no TOO late! (4.00 / 3)
How can we create a shitstorm against Thompson? What are the arguments against him? Is Grijalve definetely out after vetting, so Gover is the only realistic alternative? Really, what can be done to help the enviros?

Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested, we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back, nor did we falter

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Repeat the Palin attacks (0.00 / 0)
Phlogistician noted above the Thompson voted to allow polar bear heads to be imported into the US.

Beating up on cuddly if deadly large mammals is NOT popular. That's your best (ie most accessible) shitstorm-creating attack.

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Well (4.00 / 2)
I'm hearing that, too.  If it's Thompson, my wariness about this transition will quickly change to outright disgust.

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I Nominate John Edwards to be in the Obama Cabinet (0.00 / 0)

Obama has chosen, mostly, Wall Street promoters and corporate lawyers to be in his cabinet. He hasn't included anyone who knows how to go out interact with the everyday American citizens, and then report back to him on: (1)  what the people need, and (2) assess whether his administration's new Initiatives are working. During the Great Depression, Eleanor Roosevelt fulfilled this role.  I nominate John Edwards for this role.  John Edwards would be a refreshing change. Is not change what Obama s supposed to be about?  He has spoken up for over and over for average Americans, i.e. Main Street, not Wall Street.
During his "Road to One America Poverty Tour" John Edwards demonstrated that he is uniquely qualified for this role.  Watch the videos:

He also walked and comforted people whose homes were being foreclosed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

The Great Moral Test of Our Generation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
He has visited workers employed in the new renewal energy economy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

John Edwards is, also, the only candidate for President that actually went down to New Orleans on several occasions and worked along side those striving to try to bring back the areas that remain so devastated from the effects of Hurricane Katrina.

Watch the videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...



Edwards would be excellent on policy, (4.00 / 3)
but his personal issues (his affair) make it impossible.

Edwards sacrificed his voice by his risky conduct.  

It's the ideas, not the person.  There are other progressives.

There amy be a time in which Edwards can again be a political figure, but it's way too soon.

The whole thing really is a tragedy for progressives, for he was a great voice.


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agreement from a long time Edwards supporter (4.00 / 1)
you can't cheat on your wife - especially your wife who has terminal cancer - and continue your political career.

I was strongly behind him for the Presidency. While I love his ideas, his vision, and his passion for progressive issues, his actions disqualify him from the Obama cabinet.

He should be spending his time healing his family from the pain he's caused.


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This is fair (4.00 / 3)
and rational even if I don't agree with all of it. Jones and the potential ag picks are the only actively dislike ones for me, also Hayden if true but I seriously doubt it. Obama voted against and made a good case against confirming him, turning around and giving him the job again seems very unlikely.

I'm also very exited about Grijalva who is a genuine hero, the possibility of Maxwell which would be very exiting and also about the strong progressive possibilities for EPA, Energy, Transportation, HUD and potentially a climate czar. I've heard rumors placing Lisa Jackson as the frontrunner for the EPA, Dan Reicher as a strong contender for Energy Secratary, Carol Browner as climate czar, Nicolas Retsinas at HUD and Steve Heminger or Mort Downey at Transportation. If we got all of those picks I will be very happy.

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Y'know (4.00 / 1)
This is the first time I've seen such a condensed list of linked reasons on why Gates sucks. And I've been trolling Left Blogistan pretty thoroughly. This is probably part of the problem. I never really heard a good argument on why Gates isn't cool for the job. If I haven't heard this argument from the internet left, I'm guessing that more mainstream persons and institutions haven't heard this either.
We need to get in gear if we want to stop these appointments, and to do so we need facts and reasoning. If there's a serious reason to be worried about these people, we should be able to get the word out in a suscinct, meme-friendly way. If we can't find a good case against them, then there is probably no there there. Maybe that's a good litmus test for whether or not we raise a fuss.
Choose your battles, everybody.

Does Gates need to be re-appointed? (4.00 / 1)
I was under the impression that he can stay on until the President says that he is done.

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Eric Holder and Chiquita (4.00 / 7)
I don't think that progressives should pan the Holder pick on the basis of his representation of Chiquita for a couple of reasons.

First, Holder was working at Covington and Burling at the time, a prominent DC law firm.  At Covington, Holder would inevitably have to work with some large firms that do not have progressive interests at heart.  I don't think his employment at Covington (which is a relatively liberal firm) should substantially undermine his progressive credentials.

Several facts about his background indicate that he is a strong progressive. First, rather than cash in immediately after graduation from Columbia Law School, he went into government work, where he amassed a relatively progressive record.  He didn't move to private practice until his job was effectively eliminated by the Bush administration.  Second, Holder played a major role in the American Constitution Society.  The ACS is essentially the only legal organization for progressive law students and lawyers.  It is an important breeding ground for future progressive lawyers and judges, and serves as a kind of Federalist Society for the left.  His work with the ACS is a better indicator of his progressive credentials than his work with Chiquita is a indicator of an anti-progressive bias.

The second reason not to pan Holder for representing Chiquita is that he represented them in a guilty plea.  Even if you feel it is appropriate to link Holder's personal politics with his law firm work, it would surely be significant that he helped them plea, rather than attempted to get them out of the action in the first place.

I recognize that Chris is cautiously optimistic about Holder, but I think we should be more pleased with the choice.  I'm not sure we should hold the decision to go into private practice after you are no longer welcome in government practice against progressive attorneys.  Holder had an opportunity to work at an excellent DC firm while he waited for a Democrat to return to the presidency.  I think that shouldn't taint his perceived ideological purity.  

Just to be clear, I know that Chris isn't strongly critiquing Holder.  I just think that his work with Chiquita is not nearly as worrisome as it first appears.


Holder (4.00 / 4)
I don't think you can credibly infer anything about Holder's personal beliefs by a client he once represented.  Most lawyers don't believe the same things as the people they represent, and sometimes those people are bad people.

But even bad people deserve legal representation. It would be nice if we could divide lawyers up into nice little right wing and left wing sets of clients so that you were arguing things you personally believe in every case you take, but that's not what the reality of what legal work is.


Re: Holder (4.00 / 1)
People are going to think we are sockpuppets.  :-)

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Sockpuppet Wisdom (4.00 / 2)
"Never let your left hand know what your right hand is doing"

;)


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John Adams actually defended the British soldiers charged in the Boston Massacre. (4.00 / 3)
Wait, also John Adams signed the Alien and Sedition acts. Maybe this not a good analogy.

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in theory, i'd actually be more forgiving of some of the "bad" choices (4.00 / 2)
since I recognize that there's strategic value to keeping appointees on from before, as well as appointing members of key caucuses.

i'm more pissed that there isn't one pick to be actively and unequivocally excited about. Shinseki is the closest thing to it. but I dunno, I was hoping for Feingold close to civil rights and ethics issues, or Krugman close to economic issues, or David Bonior close to labor issues, or virtually anyone who was right about the war near issues of national defense -- preferably a Democrat. that's to say nothing of the numerous people who were right about the recession too.

I'm not even asking for all of the above. At this point, I'd settle for one.


Bonior (4.00 / 1)
Maxwell, mentioned upthread, has the support of Bonior.

Who are the best keepers of the people's liberties? The people themselves. The sacred trust can be no where so safe as in the hands most interested in preserving it.
James Madison


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i'd be pretty excited about that. (0.00 / 0)


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Tim Geithner (4.00 / 5)
How is the lack of real oversight of the bailout Tim Geithner's fault? He's the president of the NY Fed. TARP funds are distributed by the Treasury. Geithner is an influential policymaker, to be sure, but the idea that Geithner has any influence whatsoever on the oversight of funds disbursed by the Treasury is simply false. The same goes for your criticism of the faux-executive compensation limits: the NY Fed played absolutely no role in negotiations over the TARP legislation.

I'd actually be more concerned if Geithner was focusing his attention on TARP oversight issues, or executive compensation limits. Geithner's job -- the importance of which can't be overstated -- is to keep his finger on the pulse of the domestic financial markets, with an eye toward system risks. To that end, Geithner has done a tremendous job. He deserves a ton of credit for his relentless and, it turns out, game-saving efforts to improve the infrastructure of the derivatives markets. He recognized the potential systemic risks posed by some over-the-counter (OTC) instruments way back in 2004, and made huge strides in reducing the systemic risks these markets would pose in the event that they were hit by a 100-year flood. Remember, Geithner lacked the legal authority to directly regulate many OTC derivatives, such as credit default swaps (CDS) and total return swaps (TRS). It's not an exaggeration to say that Geithner's efforts saved the CDS market from completely collapsing when Lehman failed -- and a collapse of the CDS market could have brought the rest of the U.S. financial markets down with it. He didn't have the authority to prevent the CDS market from ballooning to ridiculous levels, but he was still able to effect huge improvements in the CDS market with old fashioned moral suasion. Anyone who says Geithner was too late in recognizing the severity of the crisis simply has no idea what they're talking about.

I also have to take issue with the implication that since Geithner has been a key player in devising the government's response to the crisis, he necessarily should shoulder the blame for each failure of the government's various responses. There's no way to know what Geithner said behind closed doors, or which programs he supported and which he opposed. I've spent time at the NY Fed during this crisis (as a legal counsel to a bank), and anyone who claims to know what Geithner personally thought about a particular rescue program is flat-out lying. Bernanke, Paulson, Geither, and the handful of other key officials don't debate each other in public; they settle on a stance beforehand in private, and then present a unified front. No one knows whether Geithner argued for or against a particular rescue or emergency loan facility. The thing that has amazed me the most since Obama nominated Geithner is that everyone seems to think they know what Geithner really thinks. For example, some people think he's a deregulator or an economic conservative simply because he has worked closely with Paulson (and, to a lesser extent, Bernanke) throughout the financial turmoil. Of course, that's high-school level reasoning, since Geithner had no choice but to work with Paulson, and there are only about 10-15 people in the world who know what Geithner said behind closed doors. The same goes for people who think he's a deregulator because he once worked under Bob Rubin and Larry Summers at the Treasury Department. Anyone who claims to know Geithner's true ideology based on things like that doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. (Remember also that Geithner was a career official at the Treasury before Rubin and Summers even got there.)

My point is this: please don't presume to know what Geithner really thinks, or where he really lies on the ideological spectrum. You don't know. And neither do I. Don't try to fit him into one of your preferred ideological caricatures, because we all know that the real world isn't that simple. What we do know is that Obama thinks highly enough of Geithner to nominate him for Treasury Secretary during the worst financial and economic crisis since the Great Depression. I've met him a few times now, and I've always come away extremely impressed. Not in a "he pressed all the right ideological buttons" way, but in a "wow, that guy really knows what he's talking about" way.


Geithner (4.00 / 3)
Everything I've read suggests Geithner was strongly on the side of doing something in a room of a bunch conservatives Hooverites who thought government should stay out.  I agree that blaming Geithner makes little sense.

I'm not sure he's done anything to make progressives excited though; gotta give Chris that.  I do think it is noble he's never cached in his name for $20 million bonus at some Wall Street firm.


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and that's why I like the four-category typeology here (0.00 / 0)
it leaves a lot more room for nuance than "like/don't like" or whatever.

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Don't listen to the press accounts (4.00 / 1)
I agree that Geithner hasn't made the high-profile moves necessary to generate excitement among progressives.

I'd be extremely skeptical of any article that claims to know what Geithner personally wanted to do (as opposed to the official stance of the Fed/Treasury). I'd like to think that he oppposed letting Lehman fail, but the fact is that I don't really know what he wanted to do, and neither does anyone who talks to reporters. That's just not the way it works at the NY Fed (which is where the key Treasury/Fed officials have been working out of since Lehman). During negotiations at the NY Fed, some bankers/lawyers spend a lot of time guessing what Geithner, Paulson, Bernanke, Warsh et al. personally think, and some of the bankers convince themselves that they've figured out what each key official believes deep in his soul. But in reality, they don't know shit -- which is why you see conflicting quotes from anonymous banking executives about Geithner's (or Paulson's or Bernanke's) True Opinion.

Regarding Geithner's track record, I actually maintain that he's done a lot of public-but-not-high-profile work that should make progressives optimistic. He spearheaded the Counterparty Risk Management Committee starting way back in 2004, for which he was sometimes derided on Wall Street as a worry-wort, or worse, a bureaucrat. His near-obsessive focus on making sure the collapse of a major counterparty wouldn't bring down the entire financial system now appears Nostradamus-like in its prescience.

I encourage any progressive who is skeptical of Geithner to read the 2005 and 2008 reports of Counterparty Risk Management Group (popularly known as "Geithner I" and "Geithner II"), for which he was almost single-handedly responsible. Pay particular attention to the 2005 report, which is available here. The 2008 report is available here.


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I wrote that I was wary of Geithner (4.00 / 3)
And arguing that there is no way to know what Geithner really thinks during a time when our economy is going down the drain doesn't instill me with confidence or optimism. Why should it?

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Geithner was key (4.00 / 4)
To the unspeakably bad Citibank bailout. It's much worse than the TARP bailout, which was in underpriced preferred equity. The Citibank bailout was a guarantee on 250 billion in shady assets but priced them as more creditworthy than US treasuries. To give you an idea of how bad they probably are, when Merrill Lynch sold its nastiest assets, it got 22 cents on the dollar.

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You don't know (4.00 / 1)
That's exactly the kind of thinking I was trying to discourage in my post, because it's so ridiculously presumptuous. How do you know that Geithner was "key" to the Citi bailout? Yes, he played a role in the negotiations, but the NY Fed president always plays a role in those kinds of negotiations. He played a key role in the Fannie and Freddie negotiations too, and the government was able to secure extremely favorable terms in that deal. And he also played a key role in the Bear Stearns negotiations, where the government essentially told Bear and its shareholders: "Fuck you, you're too reckless to even exist anymore. We're ending you." Bear's shareholders are still crying bloody murder over the onerous terms of that deal. Geithner has played a role in numerous government deals, the terms of which range from give-away to highway-robbery.

The point is: using the terms of one deal Geithner helped negotiate to draw broad conclusions about him or his ideology is patently retarded, and has all the sophistication of a Rush Limbaugh rant. Even if the Citi bailout was the only deal Geithner had ever been involved with, the fact remains that no one knows what Geithner said behind closed doors to Paulson, Bernanke, Warsh et al.

I know it's fashionable to rail against the Citi bailout, but it's important to remember that Sheila Bair offered to guarantee the exact same $306 billion pool of assets in the Citi-Wachovia debacle, and demanded a LOT less in return. Yet for reasons passing understanding, Bair is still adored by most progressives. If you oppose Geithner because of the Citi bailout, then you have to oppose Bair too. You can't have it both ways.

(Also: guaranteeing a pool of assets is completely different from buying a pool of assets, so the price that Merrill sold a completely different pool of bad assets for is irrelevant. It's also ridiculous to say that the Citi bailout was a bad deal because the terms weren't as onerous as the terms under TARP. The risk of Citi failing due to lack of liquidity was significantly less at the time of the Citi bailout, so the terms should have been less onerous than the terms under the original TARP capital injections. The risk premium differed, so the price differed. You can argue that the price reflected an over-optimistic risk premium, but not that the price shouldn't have reflected the changed risk premium at all. Believe it or not, the world isn't black-and-white.)


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Agreed (4.00 / 1)
Oh I agree that not knowing what Geithner really thinks isn't necessarily a reason for confidence and optimism. I certainly won't begrudge anyone who chooses to reserve judgment on Geithner. That didn't really seem to be your reason for listing Geithner in the "Wary" category, so that's why I made the case for, at the very least, not rushing to judgment.

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Contrary on Larry (0.00 / 0)
I think you need a category for candidates one both supports and hates at the same time.  

The example I have in mind is Summers.  Since Summers's prior reputation (and conduct) was so toxic, it seems likely that everything that he would do in his official capacity would be watched like a hawk by the numerous constituencies he has repulsed and repelled over the years.  So, for example, had Summers, rather than Geithner, made overtures about dumping Bair from FDIC, there would have been outrage.  For example, from Kim Gandy of NOW who would taken it as confirmation of what we all knew, namely that Summers was a misogynist pig.

But since Geithner is moving on it, not a peep from Gandy or NOW, or anyone else.

There are others one might "support" on this basis.

I'll be curious as to what others think of the general idea if not Summers in particular.



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Pretty balanced list (4.00 / 5)
The list is pretty balanced, particularly if you only judge Obama's picks from the point of view of the executive branch and not the other items and ramifications you have:

Excited: (2) Shinseki and Bacerra
Optimistic: (4) Clinton, Daschle, Holder, and W.H. staff
Wary: (4) Geithner, Jones, Napolitano and pending Agg
Hate: (3) Gates, Hayden, and Summers

So pretty balanced, if slightly weighed towards the actively dislike category.  If Gates and Hayden only count as half due to being temporary holdovers, the list is exactly symmetric.

Given you are the representative of Obama's critics on the Left one might expect something much worse.


Seriously (4.00 / 1)
and for the amount of hate that is thrown Chris's way (and by extension Open Left) you would think blogs actually had any influence.

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rhetorical commitments is what Obama seems to do best... (0.00 / 0)
I am "wary" that this man lied his way across the US and into the WH.  Maybe not, we'll see.  

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  

Why does the author of this post feel like he has to go on the defensive? (0.00 / 0)
This site through the primaries, general election, and now pre-inauguration has tried to have some influence on our nation's politics.  Fair enough, it is called Open-Left, we as visitors most likely support the premise that our nation's politics should be progressive, left-of-center. The disappointing thing for me as reader is that the front page authors, and we all know them (Chris, Matt, David, and Paul) never really "SUPPORTED" the Obama campaign (Please don't try to argue that being anti-Republican, or anti-McCain is equivalent to getting behind Obama).  Now Chris et. al. has found themselves out-the-loop; how does one fix that?  Well the squeaky wheel get's the grease.  So every move by Obama must be looked at critically from the negative side (there is way to be critical in a neutral or positive side).  Post after post lays does the leg's of an argument that Obama is not being progressive enough, that he's not picking progressive candidates, that he is being a centrist if not right of center.  Some of the arguments have merit (Gates was a pick that weighed steadiness over change) when looked at from a left viewpoint but can be similarly dismissed if looked at from a governing perspective.  Other arguments are riddled with rumor and conjecture (Economics of Contempt does a wonderful job destroying the Open Left criticism of Geitner) that end up leaving the argumentor looking like he is whining.  

The fact is we don't need a post to tell us what specific picks Chris, Matt, Dave, or Paul likes from Obama.  We already know the answer.  The answer is that whoever Obama picks the four above will be unsatisfied, or they will throw a few bones to the readership to make it appear that they are being fair (i.e. the Excitement over Shinseki (( progressive excitement over a military appointment.. huh?.., I mean I don't have a problem with the appointment but I would never get excited about a military assignment)), you're not my mother's progressive that's for sure).

If you are asking why I come here..  I am addicted to the Quick Hits..  I can't get enough, I wish you were still posting the 1:00 release of the Gallup Daily Tracker.


Bill Richardson? (0.00 / 0)
And please answer without mentioning the phrase "residual." (only because it's unrelated to Commerce).

Is there a different Hillary Clinton? (0.00 / 0)
Because while lobbyists are people too, we can always just obliterate a country ifthey step out of line.  Right?

So basically (0.00 / 0)
your criticisms boil down to the national security and economic picks?

The blogosphere effectively killed Brennan and are now faced with the prospect of an even worse selection.  Congratulations.

The professional requirements of an NSA would almost REQUIRE that progressives would be unhappy with whomever was picked.

Maybe you were hoping for Paul Krugman to get SecTres but Geithner makes a heck of a lot more sense.  

There is a pretty small poll of people politically and professionally able to take on these jobs.  It's a shame that there is a legion of progressives with the professional resumes to take on NSA, SecDef, SecTres and the other key economic and natsec roles of the Administration.

But such is life.  Generally speaking competency takes precedence over political orthodoxy.


then why did they pick people who screwed up our economy and defense (4.00 / 1)
with bad policies and failed orthodoxy?

wouldn't the people who predicted the recession and the failure in Iraq be more competent picks?


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Not necessarily (0.00 / 0)
Past success does not guarantee future gains.


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Oh, for fuck's sake (4.00 / 1)
"The professional requirements of an NSA would almost REQUIRE that progressives would be unhappy with whomever was picked."

Yes, we're all DFHs and it's necessary that the president is advised on national security by people who think torture is OK.

We're not asking for the world. Just somebody who doesn't offend against pretty much all the laws of war and civilised behaviour.

Forgotten Countries - a foreign policy-focused blog


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hyperbole is fun (0.00 / 0)
I hate litmus tests.  

I especially hate litmus tests based on divining rod determinations of someone's views.


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Consider (0.00 / 0)
The view in this case is that torture is either right or wrong. How is it an unacceptable litmus test to require one of the president's closest advisors not to be a cheerleader for thumbscrews?

There are some things the civilised world just cannot condone. This is not a 'litmus test'. This is a test of basic human decency.

Forgotten Countries - a foreign policy-focused blog


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Don't forget Mary Beth Maxwell (0.00 / 0)

Chris,

You neglected to mention the possibility of Mary Beth Maxwell as Secretary of Labor. Maxwell is a union activist and former field director for Jobs With Justice. If chosen, Maxwell will also be the first openly-gay cabinet member. I sincerely hope she gets it.


I'm Devastated that Raul Grijalva Is Out For Secretary of Interior! (0.00 / 0)
And to appoint a Blue Dog in his place is a severe slap in the face of this ardent environmentalist! With the notable exception of     Eric Shinseki, for Veteran's Affairs and Xavier Bacerra for Trade Representative, I'm very unhappy with Obama's choices. But putting A Blue Dog in as Interior Secretary is the last straw. I'm going to remove my name from Obama's e-mail list and I'm going to focus my interests on something other than political activism. I'm 47 years old and I can't stand having another Center-Right Democrat in the White House! It just hurts too much!

Give a DINO more than a bone!

Gary Trauner (0.00 / 0)
He's got a big picture of himself with a shotgun in one hand and some (apparently) hunted birds in the other on his web page.  The man hunts, he's not an office holder.  Anyone doubting responsible gun ownership who lives in Wyoming is probably OK.

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