America Not Very Ideological As A Nation

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 18:15


There is a finding in the new Pew poll that shows little ideological dissatisfaction with Obama's cabinet choices, especially on the left (PDF, page 23 of report, page 24 of PDF):

Most Americans also are satisfied with the ideological tenor of Obama's appointments: 68% say they are "about right," while 15% say they are too liberal and just 3% say they are too conservative. In particular, just 1% of liberal Democrats say Obama's choices are too conservative, despite grumbling among some activists on the left.

Talking Points Memo linked to this part of the Pew poll as their top headline for some of the day. In their write-up of the poll, they note:

The "angry left" notion is largely a media fiction, and in reality liberals who have raised questions about this or that appointment also are optimistic about other Obama decisions and are capable of holding more than one opinion about the entire Obama presidency.

With numbers like these, that is pretty hard to argue with. So, rather than arguing with it, I would actually like to take their conclusion a step further. The Pew numbers show not only that the "angry left" is largely a media fiction, but also that the country as a whole is not very invested in abstract ideological positioning.

Overall, only 18% of the country express ideological dissatisfaction with Obama's current cabinet appointments, according to the Pew poll. Eight years ago, according to the same Pew poll, only 28% of the country expressed ideological dissatisfaction with Bush's cabinet choice. Back then, 7% of the country thought Bush's cabinet picks were too liberal, while 21% though his picks were too conservative. The remaining 72% of the country either though that Bush's cabinet choices were "about right," or had not opinion on the ideological leanings of his picks.

If, eight years ago, 72% of the country registered no ideological dissatisfaction with Bush's cabinet picks, and if right now 82% of the country registers no ideological dissatisfaction with Obama's cabinet picks, either the last eight years have resulted in the largest ideological swing in the history of any nation, or the country simply is not very invested in broad ideological discussions of cabinet appointments.

I'm going with the latter. More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: America Not Very Ideological As A Nation
While solid, long-term measurements of ideological outlook among Americans have shown a shift to the left, those shifts are comparatively tiny in order to account for 72% of the country registering no ideological opposition to Bush's picks and 82% of the country registering no ideological opposition of Obama's picks. This leads to an important conclusion: any discussion of abstract ideology among prominent politicians is automatically speaking to a small minority of the country. The vast majority of Americans just don't view politics from a point within a coherent left-right ideological spectrum. As such, whenever pundits often say things like "X would be too liberal to be elected" or "X would be too conservative to be elected," clearly all of those statements are false because a super-majority of voters do not vote for or against candidates based on their abstract ideological positioning.

No one is too conservative to be elected, and no one is too liberal to be elected, because the country does not disqualify candidates based on their abstract ideological positioning. The vast majority of the country is seeking different sorts of connections with politicians--partisan, cultural, issue-based, personality-based, intuitive, etc--in order to make their decisions. Abstract ideological positioning is only one factor, and clearly a rather small one.

So yes, while the Pew poll shows that the "angry left" is largely a media created fiction, it also shows that the "angry right" is a similar fiction. And, for that matter, it also shows that the notion of voters picking candidates based on abstract ideology is a further fiction. While it is impossible to escape ideology, most Americans are not particularly coherent in, and / or self-aware of, their ideological positioning. That is a far larger and more important finding than opinions on Obama's cabinet choices.

This should have already been obvious, given that 68% of voters view Obama as liberal, but still give him high approval ratings anyway. From Rasmussen Reports, on November 28th:

Sixty-eight percent (68%) of American voters see Barack Obama as politically liberal, including 41% who say he is very liberal. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 24% say the President-elect is politically moderate while 4% see him as conservative.

Given that the ideological label "liberal" has a negative 10% favorable rating according to Rasmussen, one would think that being seen as a liberal would be a negative for Obama. And yet, Obama retains a 66% approval rating with Rasmussen, despite 68% of the country viewing him as a liberal. The obvious conclusion is that while the country does not like "liberalism" in the abstract, too few people care about such abstract ideological labels enough for it to impact the national opinion of even the most prominent of politicians.

Elections are not won and lost based on abstract ideological positioning. This means that progressive Democratic candidates are not "too liberal" to be elected as much as it means that the "angry ideological left" is a relatively small part of the population. It is a finding that cuts both ways for participants in ideological movements, whether progressive, conservative or otherwise. Because the country is not very self-aware or internally coherent on ideological matters, you can still win elections and pass legislation of an ideologically determinative bent. However, don't ever expect large percentages of the population to support your abstract calls for "more conservative" or "more progressive" government. Such movements are always small avant-gardes, but they can influence politics to degrees far outstripping their numbers.


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Well, there's a far simpler explanation for this... (0.00 / 0)
And that's simply that most people are willing to give the incoming president the benefit of the doubt.  Ask people whether you approve of Bush's cabinet now, or whether you approve of Bush's policies, and the results should be obvious.

With that said, I also agree that a lot of people are non-ideological...  Though I think that's probably more to do with apathy and ignorance than an actual ideological condition.  After all, I think Matt just put this up the other day... everyone has an ideology.  To be completely devoid of ideology is to basically have no value system.


Yeah (4.00 / 1)
The question about whether you approve of cabinet selections is a strange one, and is not likely to garner a very ideological response. First of all, how closely are people paying attention to this? Anybody want to guess how many people could name a single appointment that Obama has made, besides Hillary Clinton? I'd be surprised if it's in the single digits, percentage wise. I think sometimes we in the netroots or whatever tend to forget just how little attention most people pay to politics. At any given time, about 1/4 to a 1/3 of the country can't name the Vice President.  

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That is true to an extent. But the raw numbers suggest that in addition (0.00 / 0)
to those paying little attention there is also a strong portion of those paying close attention who simply do not agree with the overall negative and pessimistic tenor of some.  Obviously you simply can't have only 1% of liberals claim that the cabinet appointments are "too conservative" and the rest of liberals not sharing that opinion while claiming that it is exactly that 1% which is "paying close attention" with the rest of us - 99% - not paying attention.      

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Definitely (0.00 / 0)
And I didn't mean to imply that to pay attention = to disapprove of the cabinet. I've been paying pretty close attention, and I largely approve.

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Well (0.00 / 0)
If they have a value system that links them to an ideological one, based on this poll (and some others) it wouldn't identify with the current labels. or if they do have an ideological label they don't care as much about it (different than not having any label).

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in addition (4.00 / 1)
in late 2000 the media had shepherded the country through an election where they praised Bush and bashed Gore at every opportunity, blurred the lines about their differences (Gush-Bore), and then ignored the viciousness of the recount debacle by claiming that the country had to heal up its wounds and move forward in a spirit of bipartisanship.  In a non-blog environment, that largely worked, IIRC.

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People (0.00 / 0)
Most people don't know what the Cabinet is, sorry to say.  Glad to find out I'm largely a media created fiction, though.

if they dont know it (0.00 / 0)
They an say they have no opinion as the third option (which some do in these polls). No offense but it would be delusional to manipulate avg of polls to draw your own conclusions. That would be like McCain saying "we have the were we want them!" after being confronted with polls showing him 7 points behind (which incidentally is the margin he lost the election by).

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Also (0.00 / 0)
You are not a media creation, ~1%-3% of liberals disprove of the picks  as too conservatives(avg of 3 recent polls, NBC, AP,Ras). that could be tens of thousands in context of the population.

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I don't know if I agree that (0.00 / 0)
'elections are not won or lost based on abstract ideological positioning'.  I think the only time people pay attention to ideology (percieved or otherwise) is the two weeks before an election.  After that, most have spent all the political energy they have and move on to other interests.  They either hope that the new Pres. doesn't screw things up too badly or they don't have any desire to try and keep track of what they should care about.  

An Idealogue (4.00 / 1)
" . . . just 1% of liberal Democrats say Obama's choices are too conservative . . .."  Count me in! -- I'm a one-percenter.  

Basically EVERY plan announced and worked on in advance (0.00 / 0)
of the inauguration to hit the ground running on Jan. 21 has been markedly progressive.   The largest works program in American history to build and repair schools, bridges, general infrastructure, designed to bring the economy back, lower unemployment, strengthen the middle class and working poor, is more progressive than anything we have seen talked about in the primaries.  Closing Guantanomo and saying no to torture, putting a champion of UNIVERSAL health care in charge of the health care issue, etc.  Is it any wonder that progressives are strongly, overwhelmingly, pleased with the transition and overall cabinet appointment phase?  Dissent is good when warranted, but it is important to point out that those who have an overall pessimistic outlook or claim that they "have jumped off the bandwaggon" and consider themselves part of some sort of "opposition" are in the extreme minority, even amongst progressives.

In particular, just 1% of liberal Democrats say Obama's choices are too conservative.
 

It can't be more obvious than the hard data shown here and in all the other polls (for instance, yesterday's LA Times poll showed that Democrats approve of Obama's handling of the transition to the tune of 97% to 0% (with 3% stating "Don't know") that those progressives with overall misgivings, predictions of a center-right direction, and stated pessimism about the broad direction of an Obama administration make up a tiny sliver of the overall progressive movement.  In fact, a remarkably tiny sliver.  

Many of us progressives who realized that Obama campaigned to the right of basically any other candidate in the primaries and close to the center-left in the GE are now actually quite pleased to see that he appointed people who campaigned to the left of him in the primaries and assigned someone to the extremely important HHS spot in charge of health care who is a strong supporter of universality (in fact, considers the universal component to any health care reform essential.)    

For the record, Obama was only #3 out of 3 for me in the primaries because his health care plan was not universal and he obviously leaned towards only sunsetting Bush's tax cuts, not rescinding immediately, as other candidates had indicated they would do.  But, I have warmed up to Obama since he seems to be moving towards a strongly progressive platform and direction on almost every issue plans are being formulated for at this time.


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