Obama, Edwards, and Clinton: The Field Side and 'Organizing Legends'

by: Matt Stoller

Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 17:32


Google Ad from ObamaBack in mid-July, I noticed Google adwords from the Obama campaign making the case that he is the antiwar nominee.  This confused me.  Why would a so-called antiwar Democratic base be supporting a hawkish nominee if Obama were making an antiwar case?  The result was a piece called Clinton on Obama on Iraq: "But That Was Five Years Ago", in which I tracked prewar polling data on Democrats.  Basically, Democrats split on the war before the invasion, and so the majority of Democrats are willing to forgive Clinton for her poor judgment if there's no compelling alternative.  In essence, many of us were tricked just like Clinton was tricked.

This sparked a conversation with an Obama operative who told me that my read was off, and that 'out there' in the non-Beltway world, Obama's opposition to the war was playing well.  There's an argument, put out by Obama organizers, that they are building a parallel and under-the-radar organization that is community and organizer based.  Clinton, of course, has a very experienced campaign operation, and Edwards has a labor stalwart as his campaign manager.

So what's the truth?  Really, I only have a few clues to go on.  I've always found the culture of Democratic field operatives to be kind of irritating.  When I was on the Corzine campaign, the senior field people were dismissive to other parts of the campaign, mostly abrasive to volunteers, actively laughed at the internet, and usually missed their numbers.  There were constant turf fights and at the end of the day, handing out literature and doing house parties was just about respecting people, which they didn't do, and message, which we didn't really have.  In 2006 during the Lieberman-Lamont primary, Lieberman brought in a 'legendary' New Jersey operative to run a 'legendary' field campaign.  They lost by 4 points anyway.  In the general, Lieberman basically didn't do field, and he crushed Lamont's 'legendary' field campaign by 10 points.

Matt Stoller :: Obama, Edwards, and Clinton: The Field Side and 'Organizing Legends'

The incentives in politics are all organized against effective community organizing, which is why field departments are underfunded.  Paying 15% for media buys, as Obama does, and having his campaign management in bed with his media firm, creates an incentive to run lots and lots of TV and to not focus on field.  Screwing volunteer Joe Anthony for running Obama's MySpace page, and then claiming they had no money to pay him the week after a $25M fundraising quarter, is exactly the top-down media politics that leads to bad field campaigns.  Clinton actually doesn't have a 15 percent media structure for her consultants, and her political operation is much smarter. 

Now, I can't really evaluate field campaigns, but the blogosphere as a whole can.  From 2002-2004, bloggers deconstructed polling and fundraising, and opened up politics to lots of people who didn't know how it all worked.  There's an opportunity to do this now with field.  Zack Exley the Huffington Post's Off the Bush has an interesting and compelling experiment, where Huffington Post readers actually report on field trainings and events from the various Democratic campaigns.  It's a neat idea, and already, it's bearing good fruit.  Exley himself is somewhat intrigued and laudatory of Obama's campaign. 

Inside the Obama campaign, an eclectic team of field organizers is attempting something that has long been considered impossible: building a precinct-level field organization large enough to affect the outcome of Super Tuesday (now February 5, or "Super Duper Tuesday"). If successful -- aided by email lists, web tools and old school organizing techniques long missing in electoral politics -- these organizers could rewrite the rules of presidential politics, dramatically raise the profile of field organizing in the campaign world and help rebuild Democratic party structure in states, such as California, that have been long forgotten to electoral field organizing.

Over the past two months, the Obama campaign has staged a number of in-depth, three-day trainings in February 5 states, with more than 1,000 carefully selected volunteers attending. Trainees leave the events organized into teams by Congressional district, charged with building an organization that reaches all the way down to the precinct level.

Glynnis Macnicol and Mayhill Fowler both report blistering failures in the Obama operation, from a low dollar fundraiser that was way overbooked to a lackluster volunteer operation.  It's also a bit irritating to hear about how Obama has 'legendary' organizer Marshall Ganz on board, a man who learned from Caesar Chavez and Saul Alinsky's people and who must therefore be teh awesome.  Apparently, Ganz, who has been on every winning Presidential campaign in the last two hundred years, is a legend that builds legendary field programs, and he learned from legends.  So you can be sure that whatever happens in the Obama campaign, it will surely be legendary.

Meanwhile,  the Clinton campaign is creating a powerful California operation, both volunteer-wise and message-wise.  Chris Lehane, a Clinton surrogate, is running an independent campaign to beat back the electoral vote theft by Republicans along with the progressive and unaffiliated Courage Campaign.  Clinton is taking care of California, picking fights along with progressives.  I don't yet have a great handle on the Edwards world, and I hope I learn more.  That Joe Trippi has increased his power in the Edwards campaign makes me deeply skeptical of that operation, since Trippi's track record is one of moments of punctured brilliance and long periods of no follow-through dysfunction.  Edwards is, like Obama, nowhere in California's electoral ballot issue.  They may send out a petition, but I bet it's just an email generation tool and not a real organizing moment (yup, here it is, a clear list-building move that doesn't help the broader movement).

Aside from real work in California spearheaded by both independent progressive movement groups and their own independent surrogates, the Clinton campaign is doing the small things correctly.  They have actually put a good online voter registration widget on their website where they get to keep the data of the people who registered to vote through their page.  No one else has done that yet.

This is kind of sad.  If I thought I could have an effect, I would spend a good amount of effort to prevent Hillary Clinton from winning the nomination.  She's going to be a bad President with poor advisors, she's a weak candidate who makes bad hawkish arguments, and she isn't particularly progressive.  Within a year and a half of taking office, her approval ratings are going to be lower than Bush's, as she's going to disappoint liberal Democrats just like this Congress has, and is going to get criticism from an angry right.  But right now, she seems to be the only candidate running a semi-competent campaign, even working with movement progressives where the better fitting Obama and Edwards do not.  In fights like the one in California, which are clear organizing opportunities, Obama and Edwards are nowhere to be seen, and when they do pick a fight, it's all about them and never about change.

Anyway, I'm going to be reading Off the Bush and Exley's new experiment.  There will be a lot of cries, when poll denying fans of losing candidates  wake up to their candidates poor positioning, of 'field field field' and 'youth vote youth vote youth vote'.  There always are.  And at least now there will citizens media there to help us understand whether these arguments are accurate.

Also, did you hear that Marshal Ganz is a legend?


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Edwards' Campaign Manager (0.00 / 0)
Paul Blank is of course good on Labor (ran Wake Up Walmart, etc.) but I wouldn't exactly call him a labor stalwart.  Or were you referring to "Campaign-Manager-AKA-Important-Surrogate" David Bonior?

I've Been In A Meeting or Two With Marshall Ganz (0.00 / 0)
And he has the legend thing down.  All oracular and stuff.

At least he did 20 years ago, and it's hard to see how he could have gotten any less so since.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


changing the tide (0.00 / 0)
I'm very interested to see how these analyses shake out. 

I have a hunch that traditional community organizing tactics may not be effective, alone, to turn the tide for any candidate -- as they often focus on the less enfranchised, who vote less, and are also focused on building dense pockets of support, rather than mass appeal.  It looks like the HillStars is taking a different tack. A key question is who are these campaigns trying to target in their field operations? 

Also, btw, an overbooked an event in Brooklyn -- of all places -- does not seem like a fair representation of a campaign losing out on the field.


[ Parent ]
I don't see the content here (0.00 / 0)
So you have various bloggers who report good and bad for the Obama campaign, and nothing on the Clinton campaign other than a cool website tool. 

This apparently means that newspaper articles repeating Clinton's claims are true.

I wish you had included more links. 

Since I also think Clinton is winning, it's not that I think you are wrong, but this seems to be some cry of frustration rather than analysis.

Though it is irritating to learn that Oabam is paying 15%.  It's absurd.  Between that and the absentee ballot angle it certainly seems Clinton has learned from the Republicans.  Good for her. 



New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


no (0.00 / 0)
You left out the California electoral vote collaborative project between progressives and Clinton surrogates.  That's very significant.

[ Parent ]
Absentee Ballot Angle? (0.00 / 0)
What absentee ballot angle?

[ Parent ]
heh (4.00 / 1)
15% is pretty ridiculous.

Why hasn't the political world come up with something like, "You get .2 percent of all ad spending for every percentage point of the vote that I win"? The incentive structure is absolutely ridiculous.

But what exactly is your complaint about 15%, considering that Obama is obviously spending tons of money on organization? 15% may be a ridiculous fee structure, especially considering Axelrod's total loss of momentum (although I don't consider it to be his fault really), but it's not detracting them from field advertising. Yeah, there is still a lot of top down to it, but what do you expect? Howard Dean will not happen again, and nobody could have made it happen in this campaign. Edwards had the bloggers until they just gradually drifted away, a few to Obama, Armstrong a few others quietly supporting Clinton, and the rest slightly embarrassed to root for Edwards when their political futures are somewhat contingent on weighing the probabilities sooner, not later. Since even the lefter left is split, there can be no organic True Grassroots Movement.

I stopped paying serious attention to the campaign about three weeks ago, when I lost hope on anything short of a final-two-weeks surge by Obama. So I do share your pessimism, I guess. The Clintons do still speak the baby boomer language very well, and boomers still own this country, sadly enough. It all sounds insanely plastic and fake to us younger people, but the party is so far away from younger control..

Anyway, what do you expect the Obama people to say; "Yeah, we have fallen a lot in the polls. We really suck"? Maybe they are just saying that to keep their supporters' spirits up.


incentives (0.00 / 0)
I don't actually care that much about 15%, it's more revealing that that fee structure is paired with management having a stake in the company that gets the 15% fee.

Anyway, even if the loss of momentum isn't Obama's 'fault' (which isn't an assumption I share, but hey, whatever), does that really matter? 


[ Parent ]
nah (0.00 / 0)
doesn't matter much at all... but one could have certainly argued in July that Obama was getting his money's worth from that 15%.

That's a much tougher case to make now.


[ Parent ]
Obama paying 15%? (0.00 / 0)
If the Obama Campaign is paying 15% to consultants when the ads really start flying that is a bad sign.  Paying the full 15% is very 1980's and just plain wasteful.

I agree (0.00 / 0)
The only people you hear about in field are the shameless self-promoters.  The most notable thing about that is that most shameless self-promoters don't go into field.  :-)

I also agree that a LOT of political people have a very negative attitude towards volunteers and activists in general.  There are plenty of bad apples out there amongst the activists, but for the most part they are nice people trying to do what they think is right for America.


Don Quixote (0.00 / 0)
Community organizers are wandering hobos who chase Man of La Mancha type dreams. I my be biased from personal experiences with them.

John McCain would love to send your kids to war.

Jersey Field Legend? (0.00 / 0)
Who was the field legend Lieberman hired?

I had an opportunity to talk about that race in detail at My Left Nutmeg:

http://www.myleftnut...


Some thoughts on field (4.00 / 2)
Yes -- Marshall is a legend, rightly, based on past accomplishments with Cesar and the UFW. Whether he can still produce will come out in the results. Past performance doesn't guarantee future returns.

I teach field -- to campaigns and to community organizations. One of the first things I tell people is that field cannot be more than icing on the cake, good for 3-5 percentage points when everything goes perfectly. If other aspects of the campaign can't get you that close, field isn't going to cut it. And you won't do it perfectly, so you probably won't deliver that much. But if it is damn close, you can win it.

And yet, field is where people get to make democracy happen -- and when you have it, you have the beginning of what it would take to make politicians responsible to their constituents. So if we are really progressive democrats (small d), building field in campaigns is vital to envisioning a better democratic process.

Can it happen here?


woah... (0.00 / 0)
For a second there, I thought you had floated an Adsense ad. That is, I thought you had managed to key the content of the post to a floated ad that was connected to it, and so Obama had ended up sponsoring your coverage of him.

Of course, that wasn't true. As it turned out, Giuliani and Richardson were sponsoring your coverage of Obama.

Targeted advertising is a strange beast.


Field is useless if your candidate sucks... (4.00 / 1)
...or your campaign message sucks, or your fundraising sucks or yes, even your paid media operation sucks.

All of those elements have to work together to make a successful campaign.

If you have a great field operation, but your TV ads and your messaging stinks, you have John Kerry in 2004.

If you have a great candidate, decent field operation and wonderful messaging -- but your paiud media sucks, you have Howard Dean.

If you have a great candidate, a great messaging, great field operation, and cute but unfocused TV ads that do not do much to increase your opponent's negatoves, or fight back against the attack ads of your opponents, you get Ned Lamont.

All the elements have to be working together. They all have to reinfoirce the same mesages and narratives. They all have to complement each other, andnot contradict or hinder the other.

A Campaign with great TV ads, for example, with a great message that inspire enthusiasm and support -- but whcih also has a lousy, disorganzied , unforcused field operation that can't find meaningful ways for all those enthusiastic supporters to help out the campaign is not going to do that well.


Money makes a lot of things possible (0.00 / 0)
Inside the Obama campaign, an eclectic team of field organizers is attempting something that has long been considered impossible: building a precinct-level field organization large enough to affect the outcome of Super Tuesday (now February 5, or "Super Duper Tuesday").

You figure Obama had raised just shy of $60M by 6/30/07, and will probably raise that much again before he either wins or concedes the Dem nomination.  That used to be waaaay beyond the reach of a primary campaign.

So that opens up new possibilities for a candidate.  Maybe Obama really can put that sort of organization out there.  But, not being a field person myself, I expect what janinsanfran said is true - you might get an extra 3-5% out of field, over what the polls say, if everything goes right, but that's the best case scenario.

My WAG for the real impact of such organization would be to build and reinforce loyalty to the candidate amongst the volunteers and those they can directly reach, so that the poll numbers don't move nearly as much in response to stuff in the news, or earlier primary results, or whatever.


"If I thought I could have an effect..." What?!? (0.00 / 0)
Here we have one of the leaders of the liberal blogosphere, arguably one of the driving forces of the resurgence of the Democratic Party and a significant shaping influence on the Presidential primary.... deciding he can't make a difference?  What?

Matt, I am losing confidence in you.  I know you're trying to make a point here, but you're so totally negative and hopeless.  Might as well give up on the Bush Dogs, too, while we're at it.  the advantages of incumbency and just too much.  Clearly, these folks know how to win, so we're screwed.  Come on.

http://www.actblue.com/page/asaslist


good post (0.00 / 0)
The organizing opportunities in California are the reason we started Vote Hope. The Obama campaign has its strategy, and for better or worse, as grassroots activists in California we can't affect it. We can try to organize our state ourselves, though. It is very interesting, too, how the democratization of politics through web tools like flickr and YouTube really enable us to do what we're doing. We had an absentee strategy before Ace Smith!

Also, we have the widget!

http://www.votehope2...

(click the voter registration button)

Politics is a strong and slow boring of hard boards.


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