DLC Getting the Last Laugh?

by: Matt Stoller

Fri Dec 19, 2008 at 12:28


You could quibble with the details of this story but it is essentially correct that the moderate to conservative wing of the Democratic party is ascendant.

Consider the scorecard: The centrist Democratic Leadership Council claims ties with half the group. Movement progressives count a single one, California Rep. Hilda L. Solis, a union favorite, at the Labor Department.

There's an argument that Obama has promised a raft of progressive policies, and that's not wrong.  And he's got a great team to deal with climate policies, broadband and media reform, and a bunch of other important areas.  Still, the significant element in his first two years is the trillion dollar stimulus, and there were no promises around that during the campaign.  It's just spend wherever there's a shovel in the ground, or if you're a company, stick your hand out.  Liberals are going to get rolled on this.  The progressive caucus released a request that Obama spend one trillion dollars, while literally saying they would follow up with "specific policy proposals" later on.  Meanwhile, the right is making noises that they will simply fight a stimulus; they certainly have been doing so over the last year or so.  Isn't the logical scenario that the left screams for spending, the right screams for no spending, and the DLC types split the middle by accepting spending, but mostly along the lines of corporate support a la the financial bailout?  I think so.  Already Pelosi is putting out signals she's worried Rahm is going to triangulate her among Blue Dogs, and Rahm is making plans to return to the House to be on track for Speaker in a few years.

Matt Stoller :: DLC Getting the Last Laugh?

We'll know soon enough, as the contours of the stimulus become clearer.  Still, the argument that policy matters, but personnel doesn't (widely popular within the liberal world) assumes that anything called 'a stimulus' and 'Keynesian' is necessarily progressive.  I hope so.  Still, I have my doubts.

In a town where personnel drives policy, don't bet on it, others say.

"Barack Obama has never made any bones about it: He is a moderate," said Matt Bennett, co-founder of Third Way, a moderate public policy think tank. "People who ignored that did so at their peril."

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Al From, the DLC's founder and chief executive officer of the DLC, identified ties with eight Cabinet members, including a former chairman (Vilsack), a former convention chairman (Ken Salazar at Interior) and convention keynote speakers (Richardson, incoming chief of staff Rahm Emanuel).

"Obama made a big promise that he was going to transcend the old politics and create a post-partisan politics," From said. "The first test of that was to reach out and appoint people to the Cabinet that moved beyond party, and I think he has done that."

If you believe that putting a trillion dollars on the table is progressive, then the DLC has conceded their entire edifice was wrong, and they will soon embark on a massive program to put in place policies that us internet progressives will love.  But there are many ways to cut taxes in the name of 'stimulus' that will only end up building corporate equity.  You could for instance give tax breaks to AT&T to build out broadband when AT&T is otherwise cutting capital spending, thus teaching AT&T that the company should cut all its capital spending and let the government just subsidize all of it through the tax code.  That's not going to stimulate the economy.  You could also spend badly by, say, launching another war, and stimulate the Pentagon economy.  You could build tons of roads and bridges, thus helping subsidize the suburbs for one more go at cheap unsustainable oil.  

That is, how you do politics and policy matters in terms of shaping how liberal, democratic, or socially rigid the next economy becomes.  I don't think that the people that got us into this mess will be the people who can get us out, and it worries me that we're seeing a replay of the 1990s in terms of personnel.  And I guess on that Matt Bennett, Al From, and I agree.  Obama is not a liberal and personnel does matter.

I'm not trying to bum anyone out, but I don't think it's wise to be unrealistic about what can be accomplished over the next few years and how it can be done.  Amazing things are possible, but they will be done through aggressive and strategic pressure points, probably through the House, which will be far more progressive than any other area of the government.  We'll see.


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So the trillion dollar stimulus is not "progressive"? (0.00 / 0)
Or are you doubting that the "stimulus" will amount to spending, as oppose to tax cuts?

Seems pretty clear to me that Obama's approach will be to spend massively, primarily on infrastructure, a position which I think most would, indeed, call progressive.


it's not clear (4.00 / 4)
It could be done through tax cuts or spending, either way it's 'deficit' spending.  It could be done by giving away money to rich people to spend on yachts, and we'd see a yacht boom that would stimulate the economy.

Details matter.


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on the stimulus (4.00 / 1)
I think events are moving incredibly fast. Such a program would be so "progressive" even six months ago that it would have been impossible. But given the enormous sinkhole the economy, the nation and the world is slipping into it is less so now. What might be progressive today is for the government to take partial ownership of the auto industry, real estate and finance and tie all giveaways to the public having ownership interest and some measure of operational control. So the short answer to your question is that the massive stimulus is not very progressive right now. We have to see the structure and the accompanying policies.

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Then the terms are meaningless (0.00 / 0)
If we are defining "progressive" differently today than six months ago, there is little point to us in using the term at all.

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I don't see why (0.00 / 0)
I see your point but I think "progressive" and other descriptive adjectives do depend on context. For greater precision we have to define what  policies are advocated. I have tried to answer your original comment with specifics that are "progressive" now.  

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Not at all (4.00 / 1)
In fact, I'd say the opposite.  "Progressive" almost by definition means doing now what will be considered normal in the future -- being ahead of the curve.

Today's conservatives usually support all kinds of liberal policies, as defined 200 years ago: freedom of the press, gun rights, etc., etc.  (Tons of caveats to this, as the modern, movement conservatives want to move back and there is the whole corporate whoring thing, and many of them still don't really get it, but still...)


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My sense (0.00 / 0)
is that Obama, ever the planner and goal-setter, wants to do serious stimulus, health care reform, and action on energy, plus lesser initiatives on education, and virtually everything else--trade reform, DODT, EFCA, reversing Bush's tax cuts on the rich, reforming the Pentagon, the strength of the left-wing of the party, etc, etc, etc--he's willing to sacrifice.  

I may be projecting (4.00 / 1)
But that's what I would do if I were president, so I haven't been in a tizzy like some other people.  I think I've been pretty consistent in saying that we can't get everything we want, so we have to decide what are the core issues and who is bus-worthy.

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"bus-worthy" (4.00 / 1)
Do you mean on it, or under it?

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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I mean under it (0.00 / 0)
I admit it, I'm not particularly classy at times.

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my sense too (4.00 / 4)
except I am not sure he views dumping the left or even on the left as a sacrifice, I think he is quite aware of the well known use Bush, Cheney, the right and yes the Blue Dogs, Lieberman and the DLC have made out of demonizing the left (the Angry left, the Shrill left, the left extreme, the far left kooks,...). It was the entirely gratuitous attack by Hildebrand that convinced me that this is an Obama policy not a "reluctant" choice.

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I wished I shared your optimism. (0.00 / 0)


For some reason, it seems that Obama has some pathological and deep-seated psychological need for Republicans to like him.  Seriously.  It's weird.

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Obama is not a mysterious cipher, part CMLXXII (4.00 / 3)
Obama's appointments and actions since the election have pretty much been consistent with his campaign rhetoric - for better and for worse - as anyone not wearing rose- or like shit-colored glasses could see. Therefore I think it's reasonable to suppose that the stimulus plan, too, will be consistent with his rhetoric. And what has he been saying? That he wants to use it to forward his green-economy/energy independence agenda, among other things. That would be quite progressive. It should also provide a lot of aid to state nd local govts., which would also be progressive. Inevitably, there will be some items that are just convenient to throw in there because they're prepared for shovels or whatever; and there'll be some crap corporate subsidies, too, since this bill will have to go through Congress.

So this is what I'm expecting. Still lots to be optimistic about.


Al From is full of crap as usual ... (0.00 / 0)
the DLC chumps are the ones who have "experience" .. meaning the DLC was Clinton's baby .. and those .. sadly .. are the ones with experience right now .. and that is what Obama wants ... he wants to hit the ground running .. especially since Dubya has made such a mess of things(and because Reid is a spineless coward) ... so we'll see ... remember .. From wasn't above trying to tie himself to Obama(even when Obama told him to buzz off) ... hell .. I bet if Feingold were some how elected President .. From would spin that as being good for the DLC ... that said .. we still have a lot of work to do .. to crush From and his types

Not a Progressive or Blue Dog (0.00 / 0)
Obama's no Progressive but he's even farther away from being a Blue Dog.  He's a centrist.  Unfortunately, at this point it may be the media and the Beltway Boys who have the most leverage.  They will definitely push rightward and corporate.

Otoh, Rahm is in an interesting position that argues very strongly against placating the pampered media pets, the Blue Dogs.  They have 40 votes this session and will have 40 votes nexr session, give or take.  Everybody else is around 217 with the Progressives about 75 this session and I would guess 85 or 90 next.  If he wants to be speaker, he better cage the Blue Dogs and position himself just a tad right of the Progressives.

His other alternatives depend on the outcome of the Blago thing.  If Blago is repleced by Quinn and a caretaker is appointed, Rahm could run for Obama's old Senate seat in 2010.  If Quinn appoints a long-term pick, Rahm might well opt to either stay longer on staff or return to the House.  If Blago stays on some how, Rahm could either primary him or run for the Senate in 2010.

We are in shadow time and surprisingly, Bush seems to have more power now than last year.  One month and one day till he's on the way back to Crawford and his ranch.  


Didn't you hear? .. (0.00 / 0)
One month and one day till he's on the way back to Crawford and his ranch.

He's not going back to the ranch .. the ranch was a skillfully used prop .. Bush is going to live in the Dallas area near one of the Mays(owners of Clear Channel)


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Cautiously Optimistic (4.00 / 2)
I remain cautiously optimistic.  It's rather obvious by now that president Obama intends to work with all sides as much as possible, therefore I anticipate that there will be some policies which I wont be entirely happy about.  

As progressives, we need to anticipate those occasions where we will differ with Obama. We need to be less reactionary to every move made by Obama and his administration, and be more proactive in anticipating which direction the administration is leaning on specific policies.  There will certainly be times when Obama will need a vocal left to push and pull him in our direction.  

Did you get a look at the website of Third Way? These "moderates" are poised and ready and they have their policy ducks all in a row.  They are more than ready to do their share of pushing and pulling.  Meanwhile, far too many progressives/liberals are content with fighting for scraps while bickering and name-calling among themselves and participating in pissing contests to see who is more liberal.  God help us if we don't get our shit together.



nice post (4.00 / 1)
I am very much in agreement with your point of view.

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Isn't the Conservative Senate a Bigger Deal? (0.00 / 0)
You're right that Obama's leaning to the center, but isn't the bigger fish to fry here the conservative Senate? That's where they're going to get the most resistance, even to legislation that's pretty moderate.

I believe being more liberal is the right strategy and that the accomodationist moderates won't really get anything done at the end of the day, but i think the argument needs to be made more that excluding liberals will be bad for the administration and not just unfair to the left wing of the party.


Pelosi & Rahm (4.00 / 3)
My sense is Pelosi is rightly concerned that Rahm intends to run the House from the WH, relegating Pelosi to figurehead. Rahm still has a lot of markers/IOUs to call in up there and it's hard not to see his floating that he may return to his House seat as a (not so) subtle "don't cross me, I may return" signal to the caucus.

"Don't take much, does it, elected Democrats, to get your balls tucked up." Cf.

I'm not worried over the LONG TERM (4.00 / 3)

 First of all, let's stop calling the DLC "centrist". They're not. They're right-wingers -- pro-war, pro-corporate, anti-labor, anti-Constitution. The DLC are Republicans embedded in the Democratic Party to stifle any deviation from the political class's mission to appease and abet the reactionaries.

 Having said that, if the Democrats govern from the right over the next two years -- and it's looking like they will -- the following will happen.

 1. Right-wing governance results in disaster for MOST non-elite Americans.

 2. Non-elite Americans eventually rise up and react against right-wing governance, as we've seen with what happened with the Republicans the last two election cycles.

 3. The more from the right the Democrats govern, the less "change" we will see.

 4. Democrats were voted in to CHANGE stuff.

 5. If the Democrats fail to CHANGE stuff, they will be severely punished at the polls in 2010, and the DLC will be discredited for good.

 All these "centrists" are simply going to doom an Obama presidency. I hope he understands that.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


very true, my biggest fear is that (0.00 / 0)
obama will turn into Dinkins and suffer the same fate.

For those who do't know Dinkins was the first african american elected as mayor of NYC. He was supported but a huge progressive coalition and everyone was very excited during the campaign. Koch had been mayor forever and had become a shill for wall st. and the developers. People couldn't wait for him to be gone. Does this sound familiar so far?

After Dinkins won the election e appointed many of the same people from Koch's administration. That big change that everyone was hoping for never happened either. Dinkins was a one term mayor. It wasn't that NYC suddenly made a right turn, it was Dinkins policies. He sucked all the energy out of his base, so when it was time for re-election all those excited people from 4 years before just diappeared. All the people that knocked on doors and made phone calls. You know the base. It isn't that they didn'tvote for Dinkins, it's just that they didn't work for him, the excitment was gone. Dinkins was a one term mayor. I hope obama doesn't make the same mistakes.


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Don't forget that Koch murdered countless gay men (4.00 / 1)
simply by doing NOTHING in the 80s during the AIDS crisis, when gay men were dying HORRENDOUS deaths in fucking droves.

I hate Ed Koch.  And if I ever spotted the closet case fuckball in person, I'd punch the puke right in his goddam throat.

For some reason, it seems that Obama has some pathological and deep-seated psychological need for Republicans to like him.  Seriously.  It's weird.


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