IL-Sen: Electability As Corruption

by: Chris Bowers

Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 12:51


A new story in the Chicago Sun-Times indicates that, the day before Blagojevich's calls were taped, Harry Reid pushed Blagojevich not to appoint the three leading African-American politicians in Illinois (after Barack Obama, of course). According using "electability" as the rationale, Reid did advocate on behalf of two candidates, one of whom, Attorney General Lisa Madigan, attempted to remove Blgaojevich via judicial coup. If the Senate's move to block Roland Burris wasn't already viewed as a political move rather than one of ethics, this story should put an end to that once and for all.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: IL-Sen: Electability As Corruption

From the story:

Days before Gov. Blagojevich was charged with trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama's U.S. Senate seat to the highest bidder, top Senate Democrat Harry Reid made it clear who he didn't want in the post: Jesse Jackson, Jr., Danny Davis or Emil Jones.

Rather, Reid called Blagojevich to argue he appoint either state Veterans Affairs chief Tammy Duckworth or Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan, sources told the Chicago Sun-Times.

Sources say the Senate majority leader pushed against Jackson and Davis - both democratic congressmen from Illinois - and against Jones - the Illinois Senate president who is the political godfather of President-elect Barack Obama - because he did not believe the three men were electable. He feared losing the seat to a Republican in a future election.

This story is not denied by Reid's office.

So, is Reid blocking Burris because of the ethical cloud surrounding Blagojevich, or because he thinks Democrats will lose the seat if Burris is the U.S. Senator from Illinois? The answer is probably both.  Further, if Reid and Senate Democrats are motivated at least partially by "electability," to what extent is that "electability" based on fear of Illinois not backing another African-American, even after Barack Obama and Carol Mosley Braun previously held this seat? It is fairly obvious that played a role. Yet further, to what extent was Madigan's attempt to remove Blagojevich from office based on her personal Senate ambitions? It is also kind of funny that Reid considered Tammy Duckworth more "electable," even though she couldn't win a Democratic-leaning congressional district in Illinois despite receiving more DCCC backing in 2006 than any other Democratic candidate. She barely even won her primary.

One of the major problems here is the corruption associated with the concept of "electability" itself. Not only is it anti-democratic, but in truly retrograde fashion it reinforces oppressive cultural perceptions--such as African-Americans being unelectable, and Democrats needing to turn to veteran's in order to shore up foreign policy credentials--rather than challenging them. To a large extent, the Constitutional method of appointing Senators, rather than holding special elections, is itself to blame. Additionally, the lack of intra-party democracy and top-down elitism of our political process is also to blame. None of these problems would have occurred if we had simply held an election, and engaged in the radical experiment of letting the people decide.

Concepts like "electability" are part of a broader corrupting system. Selling Senate seats for cash may be obviously corrupt and illegal, but using political leverage to clear primary fields and rule out entire groups of people from holding office isn't much better.


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Duckworth (0.00 / 0)
Fair point about her electability, but IL-6 isn't a Democratic-leaning district as you'd stated, it's R+3.

How many Black politicians in Illinios are like Obama. (0.00 / 0)
Clean,Non Corrupt,Controversial,Appeal to White voters in the Chicago Suburbs, or Downstate.

The only candidates that I can think of is.
Kwame Raoul(State Senator from Chicago who hold's Obama's IL State Senate Seat)
James Claybourne(State Senator from Downstate IL(St Louis)
Dan Seals- (2006/2008 Democratic US House Nominee IL-10CD)
Jesse Jackson JR- fits in the Obama mold unlike his father.


Dan Seals has appealed to who in what election? (0.00 / 0)


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Dan Seals ran for Congress. in a Republican Held Congressional District (0.00 / 0)
in the Northern Chicago Suburbs against a Republican Incumbent who is a Social Moderate. The last Democrat to hold IL-10 was the Abner Mikva- that was before 1980. John Porter-a moderate Republican and Mark Steven Kirk occupied the IL-10th ever since. Dan Seals got 47% of the popular in both of his Congressional races against Kirk.

Kwame Raoul and JJJ won elections in heavily Democratic and heavily Black Majority Districts. They don't need to appeal to White voters in the General election.

James Clayborne is from St Louis - Downstate IL. St Louis is in Jerry Costello CD. It is a White Moderate District.

Jesse Jackson Jr,Bobby Rush,and Danny Davis are able to win elections because they represent Districts that are 80% Democratic and 60% African American. 20% White and 20% Other.

Dan Seals and Tammy Duckworth ran for Congress in 50-50 Districts. IL-6 and IL-10 are similar to the suburban Philadelphia PA Districts PA-6,PA-7,and PA-8.  These district were Moderate Republican Districts trending Democratic.

Dan Seals is the type of candidate that appeals to Moderate White voters-
Looking at his biography- He is a product of Mix Race-
His father George Seals was the Defensive lineman of the Chicago Bears during 1960-1970s. Seals majored in Journalism in Boston University, got an MBA in the University of Chicago. During the late 1990's he was an aide to the Secretary of Commerce and Senator Joe Lieberman. From 2001-2003- He was the director of marketing at Sprint and from 2003-2005- He was the director of marketing with General Electric commercial Finance.

Seals is young black educated family man who comes from the Corporate Sector. Seals is the type of Black Candidate we can easily sell to White Moderate Independent voters in Downstate Illinios- He is the type of candidate that according to Joe Biden is non controversial,clean and articulate.  


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IL-2010 is similar to NJ-2006. (0.00 / 0)
In NJ-2006- Jon Corzine appointed Bob Menendez to his VACANT US Senate Seat. Menendez was the Jersey City Area US Congressman who was part of the Jersey City corrupt political machine. Republican Nominee- was State Senator Tom Kean Jr. Son of Former Governor/9-11 Co Chair Tom Kean. Menendez beat Kean in the General Election. The safer choices in the 2006 NJ US Senate Race would have been Rob Andrews,Frank Pallone,Steve Rothman,or Rush Holt.

In IL-2010- Jesse Jackson Jr is in the similar situation as Bob Menendez. Mark Kirk is in the similar situation as Tom Kean Jr.  


I'm getting tired of Reid (4.00 / 4)
Who is he to declare who is electable or not? I bet in early 2004 he probably would have said Obama was unelectable to his Senate seat, just because he's black and has a weird name and doesn't have millions of dollars in his personal savings account.

Burris will get primaried in 2010 unless he is so popular that no one wants to challenge him. He's a small time machine politician but he's also the legally appointed Senator from Illinois. Reid isn't doing himself any favors by treating Burris with such disrespect, as we'll need his votes on key issues in the next two years.


Harry Reid needs to worry about his own US Senate Race in Nevada. (4.00 / 1)
He almost lost re-election to his US Senate Seat in 1998. He narrowly beat John Ensign by 500 votes despite being a White Mormon-with a moderate Ideology.
Jon Porter the outgoing Congressman from the Las Vegas Suburbs who only lost because of the Democratic Wave and a top tier Democratic challenger can easily Daschlized Reid.

Reid also won re-election in 1992 with 51% of the popular vote against an unknown Republican challenger.

In a state like Illinios which is a strong blue state. The home state of the 44th President of the United States. The Republican Party in IL is in shambles other then Jim Edgar who I doubt is going to run. Any Democrat except for Carol Mosely Braun,Mel Reynolds,and Blair Hull is electable.
If Jesse Jackson Jr or Dan Seals was in a tough battle against Mark Kirk. Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod would have sent their crew down in Chicago and help Jackson and Seals get elected.

Look at Texas. If John Cornyn was have a tough time getting elected in 2002 or re-elected in 2008. I bet George W Bush would sent Karl Rove and his crews in Texas trying to help Cornyn win.

Another thing about Harry Reid is where was he when Harold Ford Jr was the Democratic Nominee of the 2006 TN US Senate Race. Harold Ford Jr. a Black Congressman from Memphis whose father Harold Ford Sr. also a former Congressman had troubles with the law while in Congress. Uncle- arrested or indicted. Couldn't we have won the TN Seat had US Rep John Tanner ran for that Seat. or Bill Purcell been the Democratic Nominee.  


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I understand your broader point ... (0.00 / 0)
about "electability" as an essentially bogus standard, but I'm willing to cut Reid some slack in this instance.

I mean, how do you convince a corrupt sociopath like Blagojevich to act in the way you want?  It's certainly not by appealing to his sense of ethics.  And I don't think this is a double-standard in terms of Blago "tainting" the appointed candidate.  Appointing a vocal watchdog is very different than appointing someone like Burris, who's been a total political/ethical chameleon lately.

... this from an inveterate Reid-hater.


Party vs People (0.00 / 0)
You have to remember that what motivates a political party is to gain and maintain power, not to do what is best for the people.

So from their point of view "electability" is one of the key factors to be considered.

This is a fundamental flaw in our current two party system. The party insiders generally determine the course of events during the period even before the primaries by backing specific candidates.

The recent election cycle is notable because the primaries played such a big role in many elections. What I think it shows is that both parties are currently in disarray and "discipline" hasn't yet been restored. Even if we do manage to keep competitive primaries and not go back to the smoke-filled backrooms of the past it seems unlikely that average people will be able to run successfully.

Since we are not likely to give up the two party oligopoly any time soon, I'm not sure what can be done. Lawrence Lessig has just started up a campaign to try to fix things. He has a posting on Huffington Post about it.

Policies not Politics


electability isn't the problem (4.00 / 4)
The problem is outdated notions about what electability entails.

Reid suggesting Duckworth (miserable campaigner and such a vanity money suck for Rahm that it probably cost a few other seats) shows that Reid's incompetence doesn't stop at the guarded senate doors.


What worries me (0.00 / 0)
I am from IL.  The more this goes on the more I see the Blagojevich arrest as way to stop the Jackson appointment.

Durbin apparently did not want Jackson and has made no secret he wanted Duckworth.  Looking at the transcript of the tapes Obama was not keen on him either.   It is no secret that Jackson and Emanual have never been close.

Jackson is very popular in his district and with progressives across the state. PDA was gathering a petition to take to Blagojevich on his behalf.

Blagojevich has had a low approval ratings for sometime so taking him down was easy.

Fitzgerald has asked for a 3 month extension on the indictment so he does not really have a case so far.

Blagojevich may get impeached next week but then it goes to the Senate.  No one is really sure what will happen there because there is no criminal indictment.  Though he can be impeached for no real reason according to our constitution.

While the tapes do have Blagojevich "trash talking" so far there is no evidence that has come to light that he actually asked anyone for anything.

The only thing accomplished so far is Jackson probably would have been our next Senator and now he will be fighting for his political career.

The problem with this is that it implicates Fitzgerald as part of the corruption.  What has been written about him is counter to that assumption but then again this is Illinois.

Maybe there is something in our water.


Beware outliers (0.00 / 0)
to what extent is that "electability" based on fear of Illinois not backing another African-American, even after Barack Obama and Carol Mosley Braun previously held this seat?

We must remember that Moseley Braun barely won a three-way primary over incumbent Alan Dixon and Al Hofeld. Dixon ran a "Rose Garden" campaign on his own likeability and Hofeld chose to attack only Dixon; both candidates apparently feared a backlash and/or did not take her as having sufficient downstate appeal. She then went on to defeat Richard S. Williamson, a Republican diplomat who had never held an Illinois political office and had no broad name recognition.

The election of Obama, lest we forget, was similarly a bit of a fluke, as the Republican candidate Jack Ryan pulled out due to revelations about his sex life, and the Illinois Republicans, beginning a period of complete disarray related to the corruption charges against Gov. George Ryan, ran Alan Keyes, a certified nutcase who nevertheless garnered a stunning 30% of the vote.

So neither of these elections really shows an unqualified Illinois juggernaut for African-Americans at the Senate level.

I do suspect that other black pols in Illinois could in fact win the seat, but Reid's concerns are not unique or retrograde.


Regarding Obama. (4.00 / 1)
Obama got more than 51% of the popular vote in the 2004 IL Democratic Senate primary against State Comptroller Dan Hynes. Had Obama faced Jack Ryan or Peter Fitzgerald in the General Election- Obama still would have won but the margin would have been in the 55-45 or 60-40 range.  

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Perhaps so. (0.00 / 0)
It's hard enough to make predictions about a hypothetical candidate match-up in an unknown political climate two years hence when you're basing it on actual elections. But basing such a prediction on hypothetical match-ups that never happened just seems pointless. How many Senate candidates can dance on the head of a pin, anyway?

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Obama got elected in 2004 which was during a Presidential Election Year which (0.00 / 0)
George W. Bush narrowly won over John Kerry. Kerry carried Illinios by a double digit margin. Obama would have defeated either Jack Ryan or Peter Fitzgerald in 2004 by a double digit margin.

In 2010- It is President Obama's first midterm election year. The Democratic Governor of Illinios is under indictment.  


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Moseley Braun beat an incumbent (0.00 / 0)
Senator in a Democratic primary, that's not a fluke. Illinois voters have shown they are far more comfortable with voting for black candidates than people in other parts of the country.  

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It was a three way primary. (0.00 / 0)
Mosely Braun got 38%
Alan Dixon got 35%
Albert Hofield got 18%.

This race had more to do with Dixon's lose than Mosely Braun's win. Dixon was one of the few Democrats that voted to confirm Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

Dixon's lose in the Democratic Primary to Carol Mosely Braun was similar to Joe Lieberman's lose in the Democratic Primary to Ned Lamont. Lieberman lost because of his strong support for the Iraq War. The only different is Dixon did run as an Independent or Illinios for Dixon in the November General Election- trying to appeal to Conservative Democrats,Independents and Majority of republicans.  


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Illinios Democrats made a terrible mistake not nominating (0.00 / 0)
Black Candidates for lower statewide office. Before Obama- The only black Statewide elected official was Secretary of State Jesse White who right now is in his 70's it is unlikely he will be running for higher Statewide office such as Governor or US Senator.
Roland Burris made a terrible mistake running for Governor in 1994- Even if he won the Democratic nomination for Governor- He would have lost badly in the General Election to the Incumbent Republican Governor Jim Edgar.
Burris should have ran for re-election as State Attorney General in 1994. Then ran for Governor in 1998. He would have had a better chance winning the primary in 1998 as a sitting Attorney General and would have defeated George Ryan in the general election. Burris would have been re-elected Governor of IL in 2002. Burris would have retired in 2006 and State Comptroller Dan Hynes would have been the next Governor of Illinios. Hynes would have made the Senate appointment for Obama's Senate Seat.

Another scenario would have been In the 2002 IL LT Governors Race- On the Democratic Side- Had Joyce Washington been the Democratic Nominee for Lt Governor- She would have gotten elected Lt Governor in 2002 and re-elected in 2006. Joyce Washington would have been the front runner to replace Obama in the US Senate.  


Slow news day? (0.00 / 0)
Amazing: Harry Reid had an opinion about which candidates would lose to a Republican in a future race!!!!!

Even more amazing: Harry Reid expressed this opinion in strong terms to Blagojevich, someone he has no control over!!!!! O, the corruption!!!!

Bonus-prize amazing:  Harry Reid disagrees with progressives on who is electable!!!!!

Super-jumbo amazing: Appointing Senators is undemocratic!!!!!

I'm shaken to the core.  


Electibility is just as much a pathetic excuse as ever... (0.00 / 0)
I hope some journalists start asking Reid about his racial preferences. It's more than a little interesting the only people he vocally dissed in this case are all African-American.

Perhaps Burres then is Blago's way of simply sticking it to Reid?

In any case, between this case, Caroline "Hereditary Claim to Office" Kennedy and  the Bennett pick in CO, this is all about the Millionaire's Club telling the rest of the world we have no business deciding who gets in and who doesn't.

Here's a short paper on Corruption As Duplicitous Exclusion.

http://www.apsanet.org/imgtest...

When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

-- Frederic Bastiat, "The Law", 1850


Call it judicial coup... (0.00 / 0)
But that was a HIGHLY popular move in Illinois.  9 of 10 people want this jackass out ANYWAY possible.   Had the recall election bill passed to allow Recall elections, it would be underway as we speak.

Recall elections are bad because we end up with Celebrity republicans like (0.00 / 0)
Arnold Schwarzenneger or Mike Ditka.


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