The Wall Street Agenda vs. Medicare, Medicaid And Social Security

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 16:30


My earlier diary, "Obama's 'Mandate' To Slash Medicare, Medicaid & Social Security", focused attention on the fact that Obama's potential intention to slash Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security is wildly at odds with what his great mass of supporters wanted, and consciously voted for.  Now I want to pivot, and focus attention on the small handful of folks who stand to gain exactly what they wanted from him, even though it went diametrically against the overwhelming majority of his supporters.  It is, in large measure, the presence of such people in high levels of influence that substantially heightens my concern that Obama might actually take this sort of ill-advised action.

Fortunately, I don't have to do anything at all, except to quote liberally from an op-ed earlier this week, by economist Dean Baker, co-directeor of the Center for Economic and Policy Research  (CEPR), in The Guardian Unlimited, "Redefining Chutzpah: Wall Street Goes After Social Security, Again".  Baker begins:

The classic definition of "chutzpah" is the kid who kills both of his parents and then begs for mercy because he is an orphan. The Wall Street crew are out to top this. After wrecking the economy with their convoluted finances, and tapping the Treasury for trillions in bailout bucks, they now want to cut Social Security and Medicare because we don't have the money.

That paragraph pretty much says it all, in terms of laying out the basic foundations of this fight.  In fact, given how tenacious, how vicious, and how deeply entrenched these bastards are, we're going to be fighting them for a good long time, so you may want to print it out and tape it to you refrigerator.  Or tattoo it onto your eyelids.  Because they will do everything imaginable to make you forget that simple truth.

More from Baker on the flip.

Paul Rosenberg :: The Wall Street Agenda vs. Medicare, Medicaid And Social Security
Baker promises "some very serious pain inflicted on the politicians" if Congress does try to take away people's Social Security and Medicare, as Obama now seems ready to start planning for. If this does go forward, it's going to up to us to help lead the charge, but many, many others will be on the frontlines with us.  Still, almost no one is talking about it yet.  He continues:

Unlike Robert Rubin's Citigroup, Social Security is solidly funded long into the future. According to the latest report from the Congressional Budget Office, it can pay all promised benefits through the year 2049, with no changes whatsoever....So, the claim that Social Security is going broke is inaccurate, or in less polite circles, a lie.

For those who don't know, there was a Social Security crises back in 1983, we came pretty close to running short on funds.  So a deal was struck, and people have been overpaying ever since to build up a surplus that will start being drawn down around 2017-2019 or so.  This surplus will fully cover all but the heartiest of Boomer retirees. As Baker said, there is no problem until at least 2049.

Baker again:

Many people, most notably investment banker and Concord Coalition founder Peter Peterson, have questioned the solvency of Social Security based on the fact that its trust fund is held in U.S. government bonds. Peterson and others derisively refer to these bonds as "IOUs."

....  Mr. Peterson and his followers apparently want the government to default on the bonds held by the Social Security trust fund.

It bears noting that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's toxic bonds were guaranteed by the U.S. government-even though they were not legally backed by it, unlike Social Security's government bonds, which are, well, U.S. Government bonds.  Why the federal government should back up non-government bonds, while refusing to pay government bonds is a mystery that only Wall Street bandits can fathom.

So far, they've gotten away with murder, so I guess they think that genocide would be just as easy.  Baker has a somewhat different idea:

There is no reason that these bonds cannot be paid back, but if there is a serious push to default on the bonds held by the trust fund, then we should insist that Peter Peterson and other wealthy people who hold government bonds also share in the pain from default. Instead of having a full default on the trust fund bonds and full payment on the bonds held by Mr. Peterson, maybe we should make everyone take a 15 percent haircut, getting back 85 percent of the value of their bonds.

Naturally, this is the last thing that Peterson and his mob have in mind.   Which is why it should be the first thin we have in mind: mess with us, and you'll go down, too, sucker.

Next, Baker turns to Medicare, which is where the real action is:

Although Social Security is paid for long into the future, Medicare does face problems due to the explosion of private sector health care costs. The way to address Medicare's shortfall is to fix the private health care system, as President Obama has pledged to do. If health care costs are contained, so that they only grow due to the aging of the population, and otherwise move in line with per capita income, then Medicare will be an affordable program. The problem is not the aging of the population, the problem is a broken health care system.

Again, to underscore just how broken and anomalous our health care system is, let me repost the chart I first posted last April, in my diary "Medicare Myths--Don't Blame The Boomers":

Baker elaborates:

If it were not for the political power of the pharmaceutical, insurance, and doctors' lobbies, we would have fixed health care long ago. If Congress cannot stand up to these special interest groups, then why not just let retirees take advantage of the health care systems in countries with less corrupt political systems?

And that's really what it comes down to: America's corrupt political system.  Between the bondholders, the financiers, and the health industry special interests, everybody's being taken care of, except the American people as a whole.  Keep that in mind, if Obama really does go through with this, and tries to shove this down our throats.  Because if he does, it will put the lie to all his talk about fighting political corruption.  He will, instead, become the number one crusader on behalf of political corruption.

Baker reminds us that these new attacks "are especially pernicious", coming as they do after the boomers have lost so much of their savings vanish with the housing bubble, and stark market crash.

Tens of millions of baby boomers who thought they were well-prepared for retirement two years ago now find themselves with little or no home equity and very little left in their retirement funds. As a result, they will be almost totally dependent on Social Security and Medicare.

Which, of course, is the exact opposite of what the privatizers were telling us just a few years ago, when Bush was pushing his scheme.  Social Security was a money pit, we were told, the private markets were the fount of unlimited prosperity, if only the mean old liberals would let go!

The attacks are made even worse by the fact that the attackers, people like Robert Rubin and Peter Peterson, promoted policies that led to this collapse, and personally profited to the tune of tens, or even hundreds, of millions of dollars. In other words, after pushing the economy into a severe recession and destroying the life's savings of tens of millions of working families, the Wall Street crew now wants to take away their Social Security and Medicare. This can almost make killing your parents look like a petty offense.

Indeed.  Having these scoundrels inside the Democratic Party is one of the most pernicious political evils of our time.  If we allow it, they will destroy our country as well as our party. And then they will cry, because they have nothing left to loot, pilage and destroy.


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maybe a political strategy is not the way to go on this fight (4.00 / 1)
Maybe we should take it right to wall street. Maybe we should have blogswarms calling on investment banks CEO's to come out against any changes to social security. After all, if they were truly concerned about the well being of the individual investors, they would protect what is the corner stone of the retirement security of all but the uber wealthy. The program Wall ST is pushing is directly contrary to the interests of ordinary investors and bank depositors and we should call them on it.

Maybe if this were a customer relations issue rather than a political issue some of that political action money might dry up.


A political strategy is always the way to win political fights (4.00 / 3)
And this is such a fight. It's also an ideological and policy fight, but less so, given that the overwhelming majority of the country is with us on the latter two. This is, primarily, about preventing a coalition of unprincipled Dems from colluding with greedy bankers and ideological right-wingers to destroy entitlement programs. Which is totally political. And I doubt that Wall St. types are persuadable on this (or anything, really). They don't politically answer to the public, let alone lefty blogs, and will just shut out the appeals to their alleged consciences. They want to make money. Lots and lots and lots of money. And raiding entitlement programs is something that they've been wanting to do for years (and, indirectly, already have, in the form of HSA's, Medicare Advantage, and even the bailout, which puts economic and political pressure to cut these programs to pay for all this).

You don't appeal to such people. You fight them, politically. Hard.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


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they are persuadable to customer relations (4.00 / 1)
A nice blogswarm with the in boxes buzzing with courteous appeals to publicly oppose changes to social security would get their attention. Unlike members of congress, CEOs are not accustomed to blogswarms.

Right now they are getting a free ride, no one is taking the battle to them. If we wanted to, we could change that.

A blogswarm that included their institutional investors would be even more effective.

We might want to do one at a time. We could single out Morgan Stanely and then continue as we extracted one commitment after the other.

Let them see that individual investors decisions will be affected by their commitment or lack there of to social security, let them even think that individual investors might be moved by such considerations, and that political action money will dry up in a hurry.


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Let's not rule any methods out (0.00 / 0)
I prefer to think an issue like this will require a multi-faceted approach, so bloqswarming anyone is a good idea.

That said, this simply isn't a "customer relations" issue. We aren't customers, we're citizens and citizens have a lot more rights than customers. A call to your local phone company's customer relations department will prove that. So I would suggest that all pushback be based on rights and What's Right, rather than a complaint to customer relations.

Kovie is right this is political. It's also a matter of basic justice and whether or not this nation continues to have anything resembling a Social Contract. The neo-liberal cabal, although completely discredited at this point, is still running the show. They wish to destroy the Social Contract.

This should be their Katrina, writ large.

"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn


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A nice sentiment (4.00 / 1)
But honestly, do you see the CEO's of these firms, who in the past few years have one, essentially destroyed the US economy by engaging in at best extremely stupid, irresponsible and unethical practices, and most likely illegal ones, and two, then demanded, and received, a massive taxpayer bailout with few meaningful strings attached or accountability and transparency mechanisms in place, to give a damn about what the public, let alone lefty bloggers and activists think or two? These people listen to two things only, money, and power. Even the law is something that they ignore, because they CAN, because they OWN over half of the people who make and enforce these laws.

So nah, PR ain't gonna do it, not with Wall St. at least. Only rough, tumble and smart politics can, or will, do it. It wouldn't hurt to try, but I wouldn't invest too much effort, resources or hope in it. PR efforts should instead be directed at members of congress who would dare to try to do this--and at Obama, if he goes along with it. And PR campaigns against congress are by definition political. They might need and answer to Wall St.'s money, but they also need and answer to the public's voice, in the form of its votes. And I've never seen a poll showing that a sufficient number of members of congress in both houses--and a sitting president--necessary to pass such a law exists, who would have the public's support on this issue.

They can try, and might, but if they think that they can slip this in under the cover of restoring our financial and economic health, then they've got another thing coming. But if by "reforming entitlement programs" Obama means strengthening them and cutting out the waste and abuse, then he should say it. Otherwise, one can only conclude that he's either done a horrible job of communicating what he really means about this issue (which is hard to buy given how brilliant he's been at communication), is actually open to cutting these programs (beyond waste, e.g. Medicare Advantage and Part D), or merely wants certain people to THINK that he's open to cutting them, to undercut them poltically.

No way to know yet, but I guess that we will, soon.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


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Agreed, "PR" ain't gonna do it... (4.00 / 2)
... but I'll take any opportunity to shame these f*^&ers.

Personally, I agree with you that this is a political struggle and not some PR venture. It would take years for some PR thing to have any effect at all and we don't have the time.

But if blogswarming or other types of organizing resulted in demos on Wall Street, or other expressions of revolt, then yes, I would be hard pressed to poo poo it. I mean, where are the offices of those who seek to loot Social Security? Lower Manhattan, for the most part. Oh, and Greenwich, don't forget Greenwich.

I have a photo (clipped it) of a sign at a demo on Wall Street that says, "Jump you fuckers!"

The sentiment is already there. If all this boils down to Wall Street vs. Main Street, this is a pretty simple dynamic, yes?

There is one thing we can dispense with now:

But if by "reforming entitlement programs" Obama means strengthening them and cutting out the waste and abuse, then he should say it.

Good luck to anyone who wants to make the "waste/fraud" argument with SS or Medicare/aid. The only people abusing anything here are members of the Medical-Industrial Complex--but no one's going to attack them and their money, are they? As for SS, it has an overhead of 2%, so it's easily one of the most efficient things out there. Period. Oh, SS is vastly better than Wall Street too, in terms of returns in a downturn.

FWIW, I don't think Obama really knows what to do about any of this. Econ is well outside his area of expertise, as it were. That said, his did spend 12 years at UChicago, so I'm suspicious on that count alone.

So how would you find spanners to throw into the works?

"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn


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Oh, there's waste and abuse (4.00 / 1)
Not with SS, which is fine, but with Medicare (Advantage, Part D, fraud), and Medicaid (fraud). And, of course, these two programs would stand to benefit enormously from universal health insurance and reforms to the US health care system (e.g. computerization, emphasis on prevention, etc.), and better regulation of the raw and processed food supply (so that we have fewer pear-shaped people who are major drags on health care costs, and healthier people due to fewer hormones and junk in our food).

So I'm not so sure that Obama doesn't know what to do about these programs from a policy POV, as it's not as if there aren't a whole set of sensible progressive solutions to them. If he's unsure of anything, it's how to make it happen politically. But even that points to certain approachs, in light of high high popularity and the current economic and political climate, which make reform more possible than in the past. So the real question is what does he want to do, not what he can do, or how.

As for spanners, isn't that obvious? I.e. what the left has always done when someone tried to "reform" these programs into oblivion, which is to kick up a major political PR shitstorm. And it's not like we'll lack for strong voices and leaders to fight it in congress. It's vastly harder to pass radical domestic than foreign policy legislation, especially with the likes of DeLay, Armey and Frist no longer running things in congress. And if Obama tries, he'd be a massive fool. This is not what he should be spending his political capital on, totally aside from the evil of it.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


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Well played... (4.00 / 1)
From my own limited perspective on Medicaid and such, the only abuse and fraud I'm familiar with is from the Medical-Industrial Complex (I can't call it "health care" anymore for obvious reasons). But your point seems right on and I agree: nationalize the sucker and a lot of these problems go away, assuming it's done by people with more than three functioning synapses.

Indeed, what does HE want to do? That's the answer we're all waiting for.

As for the spanners, it's not all that obvious. Obama currently has stratospheric approval ratings, mostly because he's "not Bush" and/or "not ReThuglican." He could just as well assume this political capital is his to use as he sees fit, rather than as all those voters, myself included, would want it used.

It's not always a given for me that there will be a "PR shitstorm." I ask because I want to hear others opinions about "what to do". If there's one thing that's a tad lacking on the left, it's strategic thought. We're getting by these days just on the basis of so many people being so terribly pissed off. But that's not a strategy, that's just fortunate in our case.

So I'm being deliberately naive, as it were, to see what people think.

"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn


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Well, I've no doubt that there is fraud (4.00 / 2)
among providers, third parties and recipients, that needs to be reduced. But we're probably talking small potatoes compared to the much larger losses due to Advantage, Part D, and lack of universal  health insurance. But they still do need to be dealt with.

And as for preventing any attempt by Obama & Dems to sneak this by, if he really wants to waste his political capital on that, we'll have to deal with it if it happens, but it WILL inspire a shitstorm of anger and reaction. And, considering how much we as a nation and party have invested in basically one man, I'd lump this in with all the other things on which he could seriously cause damage to our country and democracy with if he chooses to do so, along with civil liberties, our credibility abroad, the environment, education, etc. If he gets this wrong, not through mistakes, but through malfeasance, he might destroy the country as we know it, but at this point, we've kind of put ourselves into that bind as a party.

It's kind of scary, if you look at what COULD happen (as opposed to what will happen, which we have no way of knowing now), because we've put all of our eggs in the Obama basket. If he's a good and smart and courageous man, we should be ok. If he's not, oh shit.

For now, we've basically with him, with reservations. But if he proves to be someone quite different from who he pretended to be, and in a bad way, well, there WILL be a backlash. None so wrathful as a true believer scorned. And lefties are quicker to see reality than wingnuts. They're generally much smarter.

We'll see.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


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it never occurs to these CEOs (4.00 / 2)
that their support for destroying social security might translate into a run on the bank. We don't have to engineer that, we just have to persuade them that it MIGHT provoke a run on the bank. Morgan Stanley is reeling right now, even with the bail out, the last thing they need is people pulling their remaining investments because of Morgan Stanley's attacks on social security.

And it is something people should raise with their investment advisors, why should you trust an institution which is engineering an attack on the conerstone of your retirement security?

These institutions think that they can have it both ways, pretend to be interested in individual investors while at the same time undermining social security. Let them think that there is a price to be paid and they will back off. Right now their misconduct is not costing them anything. IT would not be so very difficult to change that.

As I said, unlike politicians, CEOs are not trained to cope with blogswarms and the like.


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I don't think so (0.00 / 0)
If these programs are actually cut, it'll be done quietly and deceptively, so that most people won't know that their benefits are being cut until years from now, when it'll be too late. And it'll likely only affect people who are either some years from being able to draw on these benefits, or too poor to be politically threatening (and whom these CEO's could obviously care less about). So no one will make a "run" on their bank, because they won't see the connection. Plus, many of the financial instruments that people have their non-SS retirement funds in can't be touched without major penalties. Non-retirement savings are at record lows, and I don't see people draining their savings if entitlement programs are cut.

I can certainly see tying the demonization of Wall St. CEO's into an overall political strategy to scuttle any attempts to pass such cuts, but by itself it's the wrong tree to bark up. You really have to focus on their political proxies in congress.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


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I am not suggesting a run (0.00 / 0)
I am just suggesting that we plant the seed of doubt that we could engineer a run. A real run is a very serious matter.

And people will see the connection if we start writing about it. And CEOs will certainly understand that a connection has been made when their in boxes begin to buzz with courerous requests that their bank/investment house publicly withdraw support from any change in social security.

Back in 2006 the steel workers engineered a series of picket lines at Goodyear Tire stores in support of the workers. The next morning management was on the phone begging the union to restart negotiations. There is precedent for this sort of pressure tactic.


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Raiding SS is THE Wall Street Wet Dream (4.00 / 1)
MS is a failed institution, but as an investment bank, it's customers are all the Uber Wealthy. Between them and Goldman Sachs, raiding Social Security is something they want and want it bad. They also OWN Treasury, lock stock and two smoking barrels, no matter who is president.

For the CEO-class, privatizing Social Security is the Holy Grail. That doesn't mean that some of them might be convinced of the errors of their ways, but that's a wedge driver at best. There's several Trillion in Free Money there, if they can get their hands on it. Methinks that will override any concerns about PR. Greed will do that.

I've met my share of CEOs and while some of them are really decent people who really don't want to be viewed as anything resembling "villains," there are many that clearly don't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks as long as they procure the big prize and that $500 Million bonus check in the end. Cue Robert Rubin, who just collected $115 Million after Citi laid off 75,000 people. For him, conscience is not an option.

I'm not saying your idea is not worth pursuing--perhaps you should develop the idea more. But I wouldn't make it a central effort. A lot of them don't view the rest of us as worthy human beings. It's a class thing (I'm biased here: I grew up around a lot of these clowns in New Haven). These are people who go to Aruba and think the locals don't mind being poor. "They're used to it," etc. Jeebus, how many times have I heard that...

That said, it's never a bad idea to appeal to people's sense of humanity. Laying the groundwork for future communication, as it were. It's just a tough nut to crack.

"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn


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Morgan Stanely retail customers (4.00 / 2)
MS is a failed institution, but as an investment bank, it's customers are all the Uber Wealthy.

no they aren't, not by any measure. Morgan Stanley remaining customers include many middle class and petty rich who are counting on their social security to maintain their life style.

CEO's are remarkably thin skinned. Even a whiff of popular anger, directed at them personally, coming in there corporate email, really will affect them. It may not cause them to reconsider their priorities, but it will get them to change direction.

Much of the Free South Africa campaign was run on very similar lines.

Imagine if the same day Obama is running his "fiscal responsibility summit" Morgan Stanley was on the receiving end of a major blogswarm. Nobody would be prepared for that.


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Point well taken (4.00 / 1)
My mother has a major portion of her retirement savings invested in companies like MS, and is FAR from wealthy. So do lots of middle class people who were hoping to have something to live on beyond SS and other entitlement programs. But I'm still not convinced that they'd respond to bad publicity about how their CEO's are trying to destroy these programs by taking their money out of their companies. Where are they going to put it instead? Everything's either tanking, or not a viable investment.

And therein lies the problem with the "bailout", because instead of bailing out the credit system that our economy clearly needs, it bailed out the specific companies--and their executives--that currently run that credit system and have failed it. The bailout should have instead bailed out the system, and let these companies fail as independant entities--along with their executives--by taking over them. At which point, as a nice by-product, you would have removed one of the prime forces behind killing entitlement programs.

Not only have these companies screwed the middle class by destroying a large portion of their private retirement and other savings through financial malfeasance, and not only has this made it vastly harder for the government to pay for the entitlement programs that the middle class will depend on (without heavily taxing or otherwise hurting the middle class), but now they're trying for a hat trick by destroying these programs outright, not at the funding end, but at the spending end, by taking advantage of the very financial crisis that they themselves created. It's really quite breathtaking. They broke the economy, and now want to "save" it by effectively stealing from the middle class, via future general tax increases and middle class benefits decreases. And we're all supposed to think that we have no choice.

So while I still believe that a political approach directed mostly at congress & Obama would prove the most effective, I agree that, provided that it's not just restricted to entitlement programs, but expanded to cover the other ways in which they're stolen, and are yet trying to steal more, from us, mounting a PR campaign against these executives is a good idea.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


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labor better wiegh in (4.00 / 1)
i sure hope labor plans to wiegh inreal quick on this blue dogs and obama mtg on ss next month. pelosi cant be happy.

No one ever asked me to be in a union (0.00 / 0)
or to work for good pay and benefits.

What the unions did do way back when was cut off the next generation at the knees in order to avoid sharing the wealth and opportunities of America with them.

They kept their jobs, while every new job was shipped over seas.

So you won't find me romanticizing unions until they sacrifice for the future instead of merely the workers of the present.


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maybe we should make everyone take a 15 percent haircut (0.00 / 0)
OMG! I just read this part suggesting default on all US bonds. If you want to see a govt collapse this would be a good way. this would instantly cause massive govt services contraction, interest rates on our debt would sky rocket, it would be a disaster. this is not sensible talk.

~* the * Will * to go on *~

Universal default simply won't happen (4.00 / 1)
The most that will happen is selective default. Yes, it would suck anyway and yes, interest rates will shoot through the roof, so that's bad enough.

But no, total default will not happen unless the fuckers in DC really are evil bastards who've moved all their money into other currencies, well off-shore.

The default issue applies more generally to the US fiscal deficit, which is why it pains me to hear of tax cuts in an alleged "stimulus" bill. Tax cuts add so much dead weight to the deficit and make it that much harder to pay it down later since we're reducing FUTURE revenues. Totally off-topic, but that shit really boils my bum.

"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn


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Actually default could work (0.00 / 0)
if we were prepared to pay-go.

In other words, 1) we default 2) the government can no longer borrow, but no worries because 3) it doesn't have to because we balance our budget from now on.

Of course, as long as Americans are spiritually and physically obese #3 will never be possible. Even in the face of certain doom, belt-tightening isn't even discussed, only the scale of borrowing. It is sad, really.


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What they could change in SS payments is a graduated decrease (4.00 / 1)
depending on how much extra you make in working income and passive income. No reason for people getting retirement income from one or multiple sources to collect at all. The cut off could be say 50K and up. That would save a bundle and dems could stick it to them at the same time.

In negotiating anything, every time the other makes a demand, you agree with it adding a poison pill for them.


Benefit cuts are a slippery slope (0.00 / 0)
Far better to just remove the cap, so rich people actually pay their fair share into the system. That alone will fix any revenue issue.

"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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No $350 Billion (4.00 / 4)
Cut these greedy destructos off at the knee.  If we can't afford Social Security we sure as s*** can't afford to have the Fed shovelling out money to these creeps with one hand and the taxpayers funding them through TARP on the other hand.

And while we are at it two other questions.  What is Obama trying to do by forming an opposition coalition?  Why don't we pull a De Lay/Newt and not let anything to the floor of the House that most Democrats oppose.  Creeps.  Should I give my piddling twenties to anybody but a full-throated liberal?  I'd rather have an "honest Republican" than these killers in the night.


That is what we should have done. (0.00 / 0)
But the Boomers would never contemplate anything that smacks of a Boomer reaping what he/she sows.

Thus we are doomed.


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hasn't Obama already started on this? doesn't the proposed $5-10/paycheck come out of SS? (0.00 / 0)
i'm sure i've read that about his "stimulus" -- that it's reducing contributions to SS in order to boost our paychecks a tiny amount?  

Fallacies (4.00 / 1)
There are many falsehoods in the Social Security debate.

One class has to do with the financial stability of the SS program. These are all based upon a misunderstanding of the relationship between the treasury and SS. The best way to think of it is when Bush said that the bonds were" just pieces of paper". This is just stupid - all treasury bonds are pieces of paper. They are backed by the full faith and credit of the US government. If the government should fail to make good some time in the future SS would be the least of our problems. We would have a financial system like Zimbabwe.

Another class has to do with the ability of SS to pay benefits at some point in the future. There are two types of falsehoods here. One is the impact that an aging population will have (it is minimal and overstated). The other is that the revenue stream won't be sufficient and cuts in benefits will be needed. This is based upon questionable projections (some made by the Bush run government itself) of future economic growth over periods as long as 75 years.

One of our fellow bloggers has made it his mission to document the falsehoods. I suggest a visit to his web site where he goes into all the details: It's a lot of material, but if you want to understand what is going on instead of just parroting talking points then its is required reading.

http://bruceweb.blogspot.com/

For those without the time, the answer is that there is nothing wrong with SS, there won't be anything wrong for at least 40 years and at anytime during this period a few small adjustments can fix whatever imbalances might occur.

It is really troubling to hear Obama spout such misinformation, that's what comes of surrounding yourself with Wall Street "advisers" who have a different take on the relationship between government and business. Notice they never discuss the relationship (responsibility) of government to its citizens. I think that says it all.

Policies not Politics


I think big financial matters are Obama's weak point (0.00 / 0)


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There Are Also (0.00 / 0)
Wildly misleading ways of framing the debate, such as "generational accounting", calling Social Security a "Ponzi scheme", comparing "rates of return" to the stock market, etc.

These vary considerably in their levels of laugh-out-loud absurdity, but all are basically intellectual scams.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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