Obama Continues the Drumbeat for War with Iran

by: Matt Stoller

Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 09:00


What is wrong with these people?

With Jewish campaign money more critical than ever and Jewish votes potentially important in a handful of key states, most of the 2008 presidential candidates are trying to carve out pro-Israel positions they can call their own.

Sen. Barak Obama (D-Ill.) has latched on to the burgeoning effort to increase the economic pressure on Iran through divestment. But Obama's strong effort on behalf of a major divestment bill is being thwarted by an unnamed Republican senator - and Obama forces say the real culprit is the Bush White House.

The controversy involves the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act of 2007, which would require companies with more than $20 million invested in Iran's energy industry to divest those funds. The measure would also make it easier for state and local governments to purge their own portfolios of Iran investments.

Obama introduced the House-passed measure earlier this summer and called for quick Senate passage; with congressional sentiment running strong on the Iran issue, that seemed a good bet.

But the legislation has been stalled - according to Senate staffers, by a secret hold by a single Republican senator, probably Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.). Those same sources say Shelby got the green light for the hold from the Bush White House, which has quietly expressed concerns about various divestment proposals because of objections from the business community and concerns about their impact on U.S. efforts to toughen European Union Iran policy.

This week Obama staffers were spreading the word about the hold, trying to generate pressure on Republican leaders and on Bush. Their strategy: to flush opponents out into the open with a quick vote, possibly using a new congressional ethics bill to deal with the secret hold.

The big question, according to Jewish sources, is whether Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) put the Iran bill at the top of his September to-do list?

Most major pro-Israel groups, including the Jewish Council for Public Affairs (JCPA) and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), are supporting the Iran divestment measure.

With the neoconservatve elites pushing for war with Iran, moves like this are unbelievably dangerous.  If I were an Obama supporter, I'd be quite furious, an I'd give his campaign a piece of my mind.

UPDATE: I'm actually a little surprised that some of you require an explanation why it's a bad thing to ratchet up rhetoric pressure on Iran at this moment.  I'll quote Bruce Baugh over at Yglesias's place which will hopefully provide a more full description of the situation than I did in my post. 

What we most need right now with Iran is a reduction of tensions: we need to not do more things that heat up the conflicts now underway, or even that sustain them at their current level. Pushing on Iran is inevitably going to play into the hands of those who want war. Whatever the merits of fresh pressure on Iran on any front might be at a time when we aren't governed by warmongering fools and nut cases, this just isn't the moment.

We've been here before, if folks think back to 2002-3. Every expression of interest in pushing on Iraq, on any front, ended up being used as justification for the war effort. It didn't matter much what the advocates of such pressure thought they were doing - it all became grist for the war party.

So it it's really not rocket science to think that people who would prefer there not be a war with Iran ask themselves something like this: Are the rewards on this so important that they warrant giving encouragement and cover to Bush/Cheney's efforts to start a new Middle East war?

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We are leaderless (0.00 / 0)
  I'm not an Obama supporter at this time, but from reading this piece it appears to me that Obama's trying to take a hard line on Iran in a way that doesn't involve having a war. Which is why the White House is smothering his initiative -- they want nothing BUT a war.

  If Obama's initiative would INCREASE the possibility of a war, then the White House would be celebrating it and pimping it all over the place, not trying to stifle it.

  Now, the bigger meta-issue -- why are leaders like Obama placing Israel's interests above America's -- is a damning indictment of just how perverted our entire government has become. But the article suggests that within that context, Obama's at least looking for the least disruptive "solution".

  And yes, it would be wonderful if Obama would just step out and blow the whistle on this madness. He knows better.

  Barack Obama has a national platform. He's one of the few people around who can substantially change the parameters of the Iran "debate". That he chooses not to do so is simply another death knell for what's left of our democratic institutions.

  Someone needs to remind Barack that a war with Iran is going to make the next election irrelevant. If there even is one.

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


Happily, I am NOT a supporter of... (4.00 / 1)
...Mr. 'Audacious Hope'....guy is a Joey the LiarMan protege and that coupled with his 'there's no there there...' policy formulations on health-care, the economy, energy etc. preclude me ever being one.

John Edwards should be the progressive choice and I hope he will show some smarts in this Bush designed Iran distraction. And distraction it is. I really do not think Bush is going to attack Iran as the Chinese would not be pleased and think they've already made clear to Mr. Decider and The Crazed Cheney what will happen to our financial markets if China decides to 'discipline' Bubbleboy.

Way past time for the Israeli lobby to realize that we have concerns that preclude our historic unconditional support for them. Besides what have they done with that support. The Middle-East is a bigger mess than ever and much of the reason for that is a direct result of Israeli policy.

Obama and Bush-in-a-Dress; thanks but no thanks.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


Don't assume anything (0.00 / 0)
  That Bush won't attack Iran because it would provoke China is a perfectly rational, sensible assessment of the costs and benefits of such an action. The kind of pragmatic assessment we could have expected from previous administrations, even Republican ones.

  But the Bushies are not rational actors.

  THAT's the problem here. I know attacking Iran would open a Pandora's box of unintended consequences that would probably, among other things, finish off constitutional government in America. You know that. Most thinking, rational people know that -- even some in this administration. Most military leaders know that.

  And anyone who mentions that is literally never heard from again, amputated permanently from public discussion. For all her faults, Condi Rice is reported to be rational about Iran. Seen her on the news lately?

  My greatest concern is that America has, after 230 years, finally stumbled upon leadership that does not operate in the rational sphere. My second-greatest concern is that the  traditional counterweights to such a development -- the opposition party, the media -- have been at best completely oblivious to this paradigm shift, and at worst utterly complicit.

  And Barack Obama is just the latest to not see it.

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


[ Parent ]
Question (0.00 / 0)
Why would Bush block something he designed?

Answer: ?

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


[ Parent ]
Good points both.... (0.00 / 0)
...and here I thought I was gonna get a Obamite 'Pile On'...Heh...

Whether or not Bush can push this forward and make it happen is not clear. That's pretty scary in itself but I'd point out that the man is now down to him, Laura and Barney.

He has no allies anywhere in government. None. Rethug criminals in the Senate will cover his ass for what he's done up to now but I really don't think they will accommodate him in attacking Iran.

And it's the one thing that would bring the Democratic Party to life as it's 'LeaderSheep'  would be unable to restrain such as Webb, Tester, Ryan, Kucinich et. al.

Frankly at this point I'm so pissed off at the Dems that I almost thing it would be salutary for Bush to attack.

Almost.

It's that $9.00/gal. gas that worries me.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


[ Parent ]
The Draft (0.00 / 0)
Is more scary. And a war with China and a depression.

War with Iran would be the worst thing ever.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


[ Parent ]
The Draft would be... (0.00 / 0)
...a lot more justifiable than what we've got now. And if 'we' start anymore fights we will have a Draft.

If the ReThugs play their cards right then HRC or Obama can be remembered for bringing it back. Which is why....

I cannot figure out why they are not speaking out against a war with Iran.

More and more I see the DLC, established 'Democrat' Party as having one over whelming characteristic....

They are very, very stupid people.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


[ Parent ]
No (0.00 / 0)
They are extremely smart people. They took over are party.

They are extremely corrupt people with horrible politics.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


[ Parent ]
Cannot be to smart..... (0.00 / 0)
..to be ruining what they nominally are in charge of and call the shots on.

Congressfolk are not generally the sharpest knives in the drawer as the qualities the people who put up the money to create same are not intelligence and ethics.

Rather, a willingness to do as you are told.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


[ Parent ]
From the article (4.00 / 4)
The Illinois senator is not alone in trying to claim specific pieces of the Mideast puzzle. Former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani has set himself apart and won the support of many right-of-center Jews with his recent announcement that he opposes the creation of a Palestinian state.

Ah yes. Those teeming multitudes of right-of-center Jews. One would be better off engineering an entire foreign policy tailored to the concerns of African American Republicans.

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?? (0.00 / 0)
One would be better off engineering an entire foreign policy tailored to the concerns of African American Republicans.

care to elaborate?


[ Parent ]
voting patterns (4.00 / 2)
Jews are one of the most liberal demographics in this country.  Since Hoover they have had a relatively reliably democratic voting pattern.  Including 76% for Kerry and 79% for Gore.

Two of our most liberal Senators Boxer and Feingold are both Jewish.

I don't think there is any place in this country where appealing to right of center Jews is a good strategy for winning an elections.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama


[ Parent ]
good job obama (4.00 / 1)
#1: it's the right thing to do (economic sanctions instead of actual combat):

With no atomic weapons, no ICBMs, no air force to challenge ours, no navy, an economy 2 percent of ours and its oil reserves running out, Iran is scarcely an existential threat to the United States

i guess we've actually been beating "the drumbeat for war" in cuba for the last few decades, too.

#2: again, mr. stoller, why don't you "trust obama"?

#3: the notion that any of the dem candidates would invade Iran is ludicrous. geographically, it's iraq x 3...with a depleted US military.

#4: it helps him politically with the Jewish groups.


Jewish groups? (0.00 / 0)
  Right-wing Jewish groups, maybe. The kinds that would vote Republican anyway. But don't assume that just because someone is Jewish that he or she harbors an inflexible, unquestioning sycophancy towards the nation of Israel. Judaism is a religion. Israel is a foreign country.

  I am of Spanish descent. I make no apologies for Pizarro and Cortes. Franco was a dick. I would not support Spain if it suddenly decided to invade Portugal.

  America is more important to me than any foreign country. If I ever start feeling differently, I'll likely emigrate to the relevant foreign country. As should anyone else who feels similarly.

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


[ Parent ]
Whoops! That should read... (0.00 / 0)
  I make no excuses for Pizarro and Cortes.

  You all knew what I meant...

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


[ Parent ]
logic (0.00 / 0)
it seems pretty logical to me that Jewish groups wouldn't be particular pleased with a Holocaust-denier President openly stating that he wants to wipe out Israel.

[ Parent ]
It would worry me... (0.00 / 0)
  ...if he actually had the capability to do such a thing.

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn

[ Parent ]
The point is that Iran would not be in 'conflict' with us... (4.00 / 1)
...if it were not for two things:

The failure of Israel and it's neighbors to come to terms with each other's existence. Sheer human stupidity raise to it's highest level in the modern era ans cheered on by every MI complex scumbag.

And....

The MeatGrinder.Kinda tough havin' a full-scale civil war right next door but if you don't like it Ol' Mr. Decider will bomb yer ass...into the stone age no doubt.

To put it in terms even an Obama or HRC campaign puke ought to be able to understand I say the following:

'Putting yourself in the frame that George W. Bush and his cabal of Nazi scum have been creating for quite some time now is...

Stupid.'

Obana=HRC=Dumb-as-dirt when it comes to framing the issues in a progressive way that educates the voters.

Not surprising since neither of them are progressive and both are counting on low-information Democratic voters to put them where they...

Can lose to the Republican candidate.

We will see if their campaigns can  do more than flail around muttering Republican memes and squawking about the 'Restore America's standing in the world....' and 'Negotiating from strength...'

They sound more like Nixon every day.

Just pathetic.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


[ Parent ]
Matt? ... (4.00 / 4)
Are you sure Obama is advocating war?  It sounds to most of us like he wants economic sanctions .. not war ... it's the Bushies that want war.

Matt... (4.00 / 1)

...should spend less time worrying about what The Jewish Week thinks
Obama wants or what Bruce Baugh thinks Obama wants and pay attention
to what Obama himself -- just three days ago -- said he wants.



[ Parent ]
could we please have some critical thought (4.00 / 1)
in this post. You are either with us or against us, huh Matt?
Obama is attempting to provide us with an ALTERNATIVE to war with IRAN (as many commenters and the administration (who opposes this) have noticed and you criticize him for it without a second thought? Ok Matt, lets sit on our hands and see what happens? Maybe it will all just go away.

A Very Cheap Shot (4.00 / 2)
Sorry, Matt, but this is just ridiculous. Am I missing something? There's nothing in Obama's actions or bill that supports right-wing framing or encourages right-wing war-mongering. This is a very sensible thing to do. Iran actually IS doing things that need to be discouraged. But bombing them is absolutely not necessary and would have disastrous (if not apocalyptic) consequences. If people like Obama don't offer sensible alternatives on Iran, there's nothing left but all that Repug military posturing. Why else would the White House want to block something like this? I am honestly very concerned by your diary. And I say that as a real fan of you and this site.

Yes (0.00 / 0)

Am I missing something?

Obviously, Matt missed Obama's op-ed last week.



[ Parent ]
Ridiculous (4.00 / 1)
Matt this is ridiculous.

Obama supports sanctions and diplomacy with Iran. You know that perfectly well.

If this was "part of the drumbeat to war" then why would Bush oppose it? This is a bill co-sponsored by Boxer, Feingold, Barbra Lee, Patrick Murphy, people like that. Most of the people opposed where Republicans. Mark Udall is the House sponsor of Webb's No Iran War bill. He voted for it.

This is a simple, common sense measure. Obama wants to weaken the Iran government so Bush doesn't bomb them.

Obama is opposed to war with Iran. You know that. Everyone knows that. This isn't a right-wing "Drumbeat for War" thing it's common sense. Have you even read the bill?

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


Explain yourself (4.00 / 1)
So you read a pro-Isreali publication that tries to play up the importance of pro-Israel groups and claims some mythical influence on a candidate for the sake of sounding self important.  There is no talk of war in the article at all, yet you accuse Obama of war mongering and imply that he is under the influence of some Zionist groups.

I don't see any evidence to say that Obama is doing anything more than pushing for sanctions.  Sanctions that may help us prevent a war.  If I thought that Obama was in favor of a war with Iran I would certainly give his campaign a piece of my mind and probably quit being a supporter of his.  I don't see any evidence in the article you sight.

What I do see evidence of is some really sloppy reasoning, and I would really like to either see some logic or an apology.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama


Obama himself explained it last Thursday (0.00 / 0)

Apparently, Matt didn't care to alert Open Left readers to that perspective.

Here it is.



[ Parent ]
thank you (0.00 / 0)
To both Horizonr and to Matt for the update.

I think that Obama makes it pretty clear that he wants to us diplomatic means to diffuse tensions between ourselves and Iran.  It is irresponsible of Matt to claim that he is war mongering, but I do see how neocons could use his argument that something needs to be done against us when and if they decide to go ahead with an invasion.  I think that Matt is operating on a fallacy here but I appreciate his update and some explanation of how he got there.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama


[ Parent ]
Didn"t Obama Say He Would Talk With Iran? (0.00 / 0)
I thought Obama was the man who wanted to work with Iran? What happened to the lets just get along agenda?  Obama has no idea who he wants to be, a repug or a democrat.  A neocon, or a progressive.  I become more and more convinced every day that Obama should not be president at least not at this time.

Please read Obama's own words... (0.00 / 0)

...which Matt didn't bother to provide.

Here.



[ Parent ]
Sloppy (0.00 / 0)
Add to all of the above the fact that the bill was introduced in May.  How is this relevant in any way to the current situation?

Silence is not golden (4.00 / 1)
The fact that Obama is not calling for war with Iraq warms my heart.  But if anyone has been paying attention, the drumbeats for military action against Iran are getting pretty damn loud.

In this case, it is not sufficient to be simply advocating alternatives to war.  It is mandatory that our candidates cry out loud and clear in explicit opposition to any any any MILITARY action against Iran.  This bullshit about not taking things off the table and dancing around for a formulation correct enough for our Beltway foreign policy establishment is just not good enough.

Remember a while back, a Bush supporter reporting on a private meeting with Bush where Bush was raving about how he was going to lock the Democrats into Iraq forever?  This is it.  This is the lock.  And whatever defense might be made of Obama personally, fact is that the Democratic Party as a whole is too under the lock of AIPAC to offer any serious opposition, and silence in the face of such a threat is criminal.

Your clever vote-counting be damned!

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Obama's Op-Ed on Divestment from Iran (4.00 / 1)

Can't imagine what possible excuse there could be for not, at the very least, linking to Obama's own
latest remarks on this, which the New York Daily News published as an op-ed just three days ago.
(May I suggest that tactics like this don't exactly inspire confidence in the "openness" of Open Left.)

As a public service, here's Obama's op-ed. 


What I got from the article was... (0.00 / 0)
was that Obama's stance was "Keep the pressure on Iran, but use diplomacy."

That sounds awfully reasonable, and far more reasonable than waging war with them, don't you think?


[ Parent ]
I read Obama's words, am not impressed (0.00 / 0)
He does not explicitly oppose military measures against Iran.

His general stance is that he is tougher on Iran than Bush.

His statement could be interpreted as an alternative to war.

But at this point in history, we need open declaration of no military action, not ambiguous interpretation.

Take it off the table!

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[ Parent ]
I don't understand why you dislike Obama (0.00 / 0)
How can the cons use something they oppose, to drum up support?

If they tried, the public would be quite sceptical, I think, and Obama would get to be heard on this issue.

For some reason I think that if Obama said exactly what you wanted to hear, you still wouldn't like it.


Matt, I'd be please to see a comprehensive (0.00 / 0)
treatment of the major middle east issues from a 2008 perspective, covering all of the major candidates.

Bases on your previous posts (I barely perused this one, as yet), you understand the issues well, and are unafraid to speak your mind.

In particular, IMO, our candidates need to come out openly in support of a middle east process (a two-state approach, perhaps) and present their views and approaches towards bringing sustainable peace to the troubled region. That really has to be addressed and resolved over the next administration, IMO.


Fanning the flames (0.00 / 0)
Obama's out there trying to outdo Clinton when it comes to Bush-light.

The war in Iraq rages on. Obama and others who aspire to leadership positions should be out there trying to mobilize the congress to end this war.

Instead he's saber rattling and talking about faith to the people of Kansas.

These candidates are pitiful.


What is Relevant (4.00 / 1)
Unless Congress defunds and/or de-authorizes war with Iran, it is going to happen. Bushes opinion is the only one that matters. He is a cornered wolverine, going for broke and determined to "show everyone", as unconscious as he may be about his own motives.

Obama is trying to be a neocon (0.00 / 0)
As far as I can tell, Obama wants to "put pressure" on Iran because he has absorbed and reiterates neocon talking points.

From Obama's website, here's his rationale:

The decision to wage a misguided war in Iraq has substantially strengthened Iran, which now poses the greatest strategic challenge to U.S. interests in the Middle East in a generation. Iran supports violent groups and sectarian politics in Iraq, fuels terror and extremism across the Middle East and continues to make progress on its nuclear program in defiance of the international community. Meanwhile, Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has declared that Israel must be "wiped off the map."
All bullshit.

1) "Iran supports violent groups in Iraq" -- yeah, and the NYT reports this morning that the US is funneling money to Sunni tribal forces. Link. The Iranian's good buddies got elected the GOVERNMENT in Iraq in elections we imposed; not surprising they help them. We're just mucking around in the Iranian civil war.

The only suggestion that Iran is arming anyone is coming from the same US military flacks who want us to believe "the surge is working."

2)State department reports consistently said Iran had pretty much got out of the terror business -- until the Cheney Administration started cooking the facts. Familiar?

Israelis think Iranian assistance to Hezbollah is terrorism. Lebanese think Iranian assistance to Hesbollah has helped Shi'a, long excluded as "inferiors" from the Lebanese polity, find a voice. Depends where you are sitting.

3) Mohammed El-Barradei of the United Nations says Iran is cooperating in showing that its nuclear development is peaceful. Remember El-Barradei? He's the guy who insisted Iraq didn't have WMD?

4) Ahmadinejad is a bombastic asshole. And what do we have for a chief executive? No way the Iranian president can accomplish the destruction of Israel  -- and some like Juan Cole have said that's a mistranslation anyway.

Obama is playing the war monger; on this point, he's no better than the neocons.

Can it happen here?


No, the problem is that he is better than the neocons ... (0.00 / 0)
... and thus he disarms us.  Better, but not good enough.

There is no open debate on Iran, just hysteria coming from AIPAC and the neocons, and the Chuck Schumers (am I wrong in giving Schumer separate billing?), and a criminal silence on the part of our candidates.

Silence is not good enough.  The irony is that the Israeli people, in the aggregate, are less fascistic than AIPAC, and the level of public political discussion is much more free.  Of course, AIPAC would fight to the last Israeli (see last summer's Lebanon war), but the Israelis aren't so sure that's a good idea.

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[ Parent ]
Oil & Gas Sanctions are a No-No? (0.00 / 0)
This is the most ludicrous assertion I have read on this site.  And, yes, I'm definitely a newbie here.  But this can't be passed up.

We have two trajectories with Iran.  One is the nuclear enrichment mess with Iran's 18-year program that no one knew about to enrich uranium.  Since the diplomacy was not working, the UN agreed to sanctions.  Bush responded with banning assistance in nuclear technology. 

The second trajectory is Bush's increasing insistence that Iran is providing assistance to militants in Iraq, including the proposed designation of the Irani Revolutionary Guard as terrorists.  There has been an increasing drumbeat in recent weeks about exercising a military option based on this trajectory.  The source is apparently from Cheney's office as well as other administration mouthpieces.

Bush drew both together in his VFW speech as an indictment against Iran, evoking the possibility in everyone's mind of military intervention with Iran.

Obama fired back with the Republican hold-up in the Senate of a bill that would create sanctions, but one that would not just hit Iran but the oil and gas buddies of this administration.  If any company has more than $20 million invested in the ENERGY sector in Iran, they would be noted and investors would have to withdraw their money.  That seems to be a sanction against Iran and against their American oil and gas enablers.

Does anyone here really believe that Bush is pursuing economic sanctions against Iran?  If so, then why does he not withdraw investment where it really would cause economic havoc in Iran--oil and gas investment.  This bill and how it is being held is a striking example of how Bush is not serious about dealing effectively with Iran.

But instead this ridiculous piece presumes that Obama wants a war?  If Bush wants to prevent war with Iran, then he needs to be vigorously pursuing diplomacy as well as economic sanctions that have teeth--and that means the energy sector.  We have the answer with the Republican hold on this bill--Bush has no intention of doing anything to harm his oil and gas buddies and he certainly has no intention of forcing Iran away from their nuclear enrichment program.


[ Parent ]
Obama as enabler (4.00 / 1)
If you repeat the talking points for a war, you act as if you want a war -- whatever feeling you may have about such an outcome. Obama's behavior enables Bush et al. making war on Iran.

Not that other Dems are any better -- should say I'm an equal opportunity critic of Dems who take up Neo-Con warmongering.

Can it happen here?


[ Parent ]
I don't care what he wants (0.00 / 0)
The question is whether he speaks up explicitly against a war.

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[ Parent ]
Interesting... (0.00 / 0)
Well Matt sure kicked up some serious Obama disciples. From this sheep's eye, in conjunction with his 'audacious' comments regarding Pakistan, I'd say Mr. Obama is revving up his 'I'm a tough Democrat' stance. The average low-info voter will not grasp the nuance argument (It's fer like, sanctions, or some junk... on like, oil croneries er something, not WAR dummy!) when his words are used by teh conz to promote a bipartisan air strike on Iran.
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