What's Happening to the Obama 'Movement'?

by: Matt Stoller

Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 14:00


So I looked at the group 'a Million Strong for Barack' yesterday, and noticed it had around 330,000 members.  That's a lot of people, but the exponential growth rate that had the group hitting a million months back did not keep up with expectations.  It's not clear to me what happened, but it looks like Obama has moved the group onto his site where tracking numbers is much harder.  I remember hitting refresh on the page months ago, astonished that every time I did so another 5 people had become members of the group.  It reminded me of the Dean campaign and their fundraising numbers.  The current relative lack of movement reminds me of the plateauing of the Dean email list in the fall of 2003.

On his own profile, Obama has 186,976 friends on Facebook and another 169317 on MySpace.  That sounds impressive, but that number on MySpace is actually about the same as the number volunteer Joe Anthony put together, and Obama's growth rate on Facebook is much slower at this point than Clinton or Edwards.  In the last four months according to TechPresident's nifty tool, Clinton doubled her number, albeit from a much smaller base, whereas Obama has increased his number by about 80 percent.  That's a lot, sure, but it's not the growth he needs coming into the caucuses.  Clinton also beats Obama in blog traffic, but that's not really a surprise since neither candidate has a separate conversation in the blogs going on and so that number is going to track media coverage.

It's possible, even probable, that all the activity has moved onto BarackObama.com, and away from public spaces.  Obama did have over a quarter million donors, though some of that included people that bought T-Shirts and Obama gear.  And I'm sure he has an email list in the millions at this point.  I don't know for sure, though, because there's no transparency on his site, there are no 'Join XYZ other people' buttons.  Movement campaigns work best when they are transparent so others feel like they are part of something.  Still, I'm sure there will be transparency come the end of September, and we'll know more.  And maybe we won't know more until the Iowa caucuses, when a student army comes out for Barack, or until the later primaries, where his field operation kicks in.

The 2004 campaign produced a burst of innovation, of political entrepreneurs who came into the process with new ideas and new tactics.  Largely this group coalesced around Howard Dean or Wes Clark, both of whom articulated a different model of politics and argued the Iraq War was a symptom of a broken political and cultural system.  The Million Strong for Barack group suggested that was possible here too, but it's not clear to me what kind of argument Obama is making except that cynicism is a bad thing.  And where are the new entrepreneurs?  It's entirely possible that I've become 'Beltway' or out of touch and am missing something huge, so I just thought I'd put this question out there.

UPDATE: This is pretty neat, MySpace profiles for every state with a focus on the early states.  The numbers aren't great, but they are much more valuable on each page. 

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"Phony Beatlemania has bitten the dust" (0.00 / 0)
-- "London Calling," The Clash

Said it all.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


my.barackobama.com (0.00 / 0)
I think a lot of the emphasis has been put on the party builder website that Barack is using for his campaign.  It is built pretty much like the Democrats.org pary builder website.  They system certainly has its problems, but it is a pretty good way to get in touch with other supporters and plan events.

I have been using it over the last few weeks to start building a movement for Barach here in Philly and have been getting new people to each event I hold.  I have no idea how many people there are on the website but it seems to be fulfilling is purpose.

PS thanks for encouraging me to join the one million strong group

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama


If you go to Alexa ... (4.00 / 3)
Obama's site traffic has well outpaced that of his rivals for months, virtually uninterrupted (except for the ephemeral spike of the Sopranos video).

However, the Obama campaign's "open source campaign," in terms of relevant tranches of the Democratic base, has deteriorated in much the same way as its debate calculus has. Jerome Armstrong and other overtly anti-Obama types are going to spin virtually everything negatively, so why give them anything to spin?

If Obama raises $25 million, then "the Obama so-called 'movement' is nothing but money." If he refuses to shovel out $45,000 to a would-be blackmailer who had agreed to very different terms, and who also rejected reasonable compensation in favor of outrageous compensation, then "the so-called 'movement' is nothing but money." If he utters a piece of common sense on nukes, then a critical mass of netroots will join the "gaffe!" howling out of visceral dislike for the consciously inoffensive nature of Obama's campaign--even if they actually agree with Obama's sentiments. And if Hillary Clinton happened to say the exact same thing Obama did on the record a year before, then 90% of the netroots will not acknowledge their error or, for that matter, their bias.

It's a pretty tiresome game.


I'm sorry (4.00 / 2)
But a "movement isn't built on Facebook or Myspace. It's built on the ground. My.BarackObama allows people to easily organize events and connect with REAL Obama supports not just ones who have "friended" him.

An example the "movement" is going strong? Zack Exley president of the New Organizing Institute who has worked for the Labor Party, Kerry-Edwards 04, MoveOn, Dean and Huffington Post has posed two articles praising Obama's grassroots campaign. Check them out.

http://www.huffingto...
http://www.huffingto...

Oh and proof from the ground? At the Minnesota State Fair (largest in the nation) Obama had 7 volunteers when I volunteered. Hillary and Richardson had one each.

Obama has used real community organizers to train a army of well trained volunteers. He is breaking all online and grassroots fundraising records and has one of the most active online campaigns ever.

Facebook groups don't build movements. And you've ignored much bigger grassroots efforts early on like the Draft Obama movement. At Draft Obama we actually organized real events and real people.

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Great points (0.00 / 0)
I'm not pro-Obama at all (still waiting for Gore), but the simple fact of the matter is that his campaign is the only one doing any real innovation this cycle. They've expanded their MySpace strategy to focus on the early states, they basically started their MySpace friend count from scratch in early May and have amassed more in 100 days than Joe Anthony's profile did in two years, and as Populista mentions above, they're the only campaign doing a weekend grassroots training program.

I actually think that Facebook/MySpace/YouTube metrics are a bit silly, but Obama easily leads the field in all of them. It seems to be a bit of cherry picking to knock his growth rate when he's so clearly far ahead in raw numbers.

Lastly, I think the "movement" mistake they're making, along with Clinton and Edwards, is that they're doing very little to capture those activists deeply involved with the Dean movement from 2003. Those folks are still active and organized, and they're a hell of a lot more experienced and valuable than any newcomers that Camp Obama is training. My sense is that the DFA/MoveOn activist set is still waiting for Gore, as we would likely quickly capture the endorsement of those two organizations if he were to jump in.

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Maybe (0.00 / 0)
Maybe not. I have found that almost all the Obama supporters in Minnesota that I've talked to supported Dean in 04. Or didn't pay any attention.

The DFA and MoveOn set is too divided between Edwards and Obama. Therefore they have not been able to endorse anyone and have been mostly irrelevant in the race overall because of it.

I think where Obama is really innovating is his fund raising. Dinner with Obama, BBQ with Obama, Be Counted, The Low Dollar Kickoffs etc.

By the way. Gore isn't running. I would not be actively involved if I thought Gore was going to run. I just don't think he will.

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neat (0.00 / 0)
I updated to include the state-specific MySpace pages.

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SEVEN Volunteers! WOW! (0.00 / 0)
Pardon me, but this isn't a movement.  There were a similar number of anti-war organizers at the Santa Clara County Fair in 1965, before most folks even knew there was a war on.

It is better than the other campaigns are doing.  But it's not a movement.  It's a ground game.  Very good to have.  But not a movement.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Amen (0.00 / 0)
A person can't be a movement. Many other things that are all well and good, but not a movement.

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This (0.00 / 0)
Was a weekday morning. We got word we could be there a few days before it started. And since the Fair would not let us go far outside the booth we had to turn away volunteers.

You make a good point though Paul. It isn't a social movement.  Notice how I said "movement". It's a extremely grassroots campaign with great ground game. But it's a campaign. Not a movement. No campaigns are "movements." There are some that are mostly built off the progressive or conservative movements, some that get big progressive or conservative movement support. Even some that launch parts of movements (Jackson(Rainbow/PUSH), Robertson(Cristian Coalition and Dean (Democracy for America). But the campaign itself can not be a movement. 

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Thanks For The Clarifications (0.00 / 0)
That does make it a more impressive ground game.  And I agree generally that there's an important distinction between campaigns and movements.

But there are also exceptions that prove the rule.  Dean in 2003 was an example, as the anti-war opposition to invading Iraq fed quite directly into Dean's campaign.  In 1968, McCarthy's campaign drew on the anti-war movement early, but required kids to "get clean for Gene," while the somewhat tardy RFK campaign was a lot rougher around the edges, and had much more of a movement feel to it.

It's my feeling that Obama has quite deliberately, if inadvertantly, made sure that his campaign is not a movement, despite the fact that many of his supporters want it to be one.  And in this regard he is somewhat similar to Eurene McCarthy.

You're absolutely right that "the campaign itself can not be a movement."  The question is really how does the campaign relate to its larger context, and does it encourage, nurture, exploit, hype, or otherwise manipulate folks into movement-like activities.  Or can it even control things like that?  Part of what makes a movement is when no one person or organization can control it anymore.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Exactly (0.00 / 0)
"Part of what makes a movement is when no one person or organization can control it anymore."

You hit it right on the nail there. That's why you can't have a successful campaign and a movement at the same time. To win in a campaign you have to have some amount on control. That's why Dean lost. His campaign did not have enough control. It had energy but not control. And the sad fact is that with the early state caucuses you must have control.

Movements can provide base to a campaign (anti-war for Dean) and policy for a campaign (Jackson) but social movements are  united in a general idea but not necessarily the extent of the idea or the way to accomplish it.

The sense that I get is that Obama is trying to empower the grassroots and the movement as much as he can but still run a campaign that can win. He always talks about "learning from the mistakes of Dean" which I take to be "Have the same energy and people power as Dean but have enough control to win the campaign." For example with Camp Obama he has gotten movement organizers to train volunteers but has made sure the volunteers aren't just doing random stuff. 

Obama's campaign encourages people to be active in and outside the campaign. It trains a grassroots army but yet encourages them to use those organizing skills to become community organizers just as Obama once was. Therefore I think it is the most "people powered" campaign and the one most supportive of the movement.

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question (0.00 / 0)
Then why is Obama constantly referring to his movement in his various campaign lit, emails, speeches, etc?  Why not just say 'campaign'?

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Because it sounds good? (0.00 / 0)
Just a guess?

If I was running the media for Obama I wouldn't use it. But frankly I don't think one word he uses is much of a issue.

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Although... (0.00 / 0)
"Part of what makes a movement is when no one person or organization can control it anymore."

You hit it right on the nail there. That's why you can't have a successful campaign and a movement at the same time.

RFK in 1968 seems to be the exception that proves the rule.  We'll never know for certain, of course.  But up until the moment he died, both were going on.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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You don't consider it a movement (0.00 / 0)
You don't consider it a movement because it is for issues you don't care about.  Other people consider it a movement because it is for issues they care about.

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That's Just Not True (0.00 / 0)
And you don't even bother trying to make the case.  You simply assert what you want to believe.

In fact, I've written about this befor on several occassions, and I've even talked about movements I have no sympathy for at all.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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the obama hits keep coming (4.00 / 2)
way to really push the stated goal of an enduring progressive majority (at least it was a good idea right?) by continuing to hit on a solid progressive.

whatever you believe about his tone or the way he doesn't see every republican as a demon, his record is clear. solid progressive.

these "criticisms" are getting quite amusing, actually.

i hate to break it to you, but myspace and facebook "friends" will not decide who wins the nomination.

i hate to break it to you, but the nominee will not be decided by a DailyKos or MyDD straw poll. Most voters don't even know these "polls" exist.

hint: the netroots isn't the only constituency that votes.


Obama beating drums for war with Iran (0.00 / 0)
Matt,

I think you answered your own question about Obama's losing momentum with your earlier post about his posturing on Iran.

I don't know who are advising Obama & Edwards about foreign policy options as to Iran, but it looks like the "electibility" forces are controlling the policy statements.  Both Obama and Edwards are terrible on Iran.  They have both accepted Dubya's definition of the issue and they have no way out of the strait jacket that comes with Dubya's definition.


Matt, this argument is ridiculous. (0.00 / 0)
I've never seen one of Facebook's "million strong" groups actually reach a million.  Hillary's "million strong" groups are a joke!  They've all got less than 2,000 members.

If you want to go strictly by Facebook numbers, Obama has 140,000+ supporters on his official profile, and Hillary has 40,000.

There's a million strong AGAINST Hillary group that has 389,992 members.  So give me a break with the "Obama losing ground" angle.


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