Obama's Conflicting Signals After Meeting With Irrelevant House Republicans

by: David Sirota

Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 18:54


After Barack Obama's meeting today with the most irrelevant people in American politics - House Republicans - this was the first story off the newswires:

President Barack Obama rolled into the Capitol with a clear message for Republicans this afternoon: He's happy to talk, but he's not compromising on tax cuts. Obama was ready for the House Republicans to pounce, telling them: "Feel free to whack me over the head because I probably will not compromise on that part (tax cuts)," according to two sources in the room. One conservative House Republican who attended the hour-long closed door session was asked if Obama was winning any votes: "Nope. He said he won't compromise on more tax cuts."

That was great news - finally, President Obama was acting like the winner of the 2008 election, standing up against tax cut policies that we know do not create the kind of job growth and GDP expansion that infrastructure spending creates. Except, now we get this from AP:

On the eve of a key vote, President Barack Obama privately promised Republicans he stands ready to accept changes in the $825 billion economic stimulus legislation...Republicans who attended the sessions said the president did not agree to any specific changes but did pledge to have his aides consider some that GOP lawmakers raised dealing with additional tax relief for businesses...One Republican senator, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the president pledged to Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., to have aides review two specific proposals. One would affect businesses that pay down their debt. The other would provide a temporary tax holiday for companies that have money overseas and bring it back to the United States to invest.

Let me reiterate a really fundamental point here. I'm going to put it in all caps, in bold and in italics because its so friggin' fundamental: HOUSE REPUBLICANS, BECAUSE THEY CANNOT FILIBUSTER, ARE THE MOST POLITICALLY IRRELEVANT GROUP OF PEOPLE IN ALL OF AMERICAN POLITICS.  

David Sirota :: Obama's Conflicting Signals After Meeting With Irrelevant House Republicans
They have not a single shred of legislative power to stop, amend or reform an economic stimulus package, unless Obama gives it to them by giving them attention. Why Obama would spend time meeting with them is inexplicable. Why, if AP is right, he would consider loading down the economic recovery package with their wholly discredited tax cuts is beyond inexplicable - it's ludicrous. And remember another point I'm going to put in bold face and italics: NOBODY HAS MADE ANY SUBSTANTIVE CASE THAT ANY TAX CUTS THE REPUBLICANS ARE PUSHING ARE BETTER FOR JOB CREATION AND ECONOMIC GROWTH THAN PUTTING THE MONEY INTO MORE PUBLIC SPENDING.

For an administration that has managed to get the fawning D.C. media to write scores of stories about how wonderfully "disciplined" and "controlled" its message operation is, these two conflicting stories suggest a lack of, um, discipline and control. You may say that these conflicting reports are not Obama's doing - that they are Republicans causing trouble. That's true, except for the fact that Obama empowered Republicans to make that trouble when he agreed to start negotiating with them in the first place. Again, that initial decision doesn't suggest a lot of control and discipline.

Of course, this is one of the big problems with Obama's fetishization of pleasing the very Republicans he just crushed in the election - he empowers them. I just can't see any brilliance in that at all. No one is asking him to be overly partisan - and everyone supports him rhetorically reaching out for unity. But, at a time of wide Democratic majorities, pursuing "bipartisanship" at the cost of good legislation - well, that's just insane, especially because, again, it makes the Republicans look stronger than they are, and Obama weaker than he is.

And look, I'm all ready for Obama partisans can go ahead and tell me I'm just too stupid to see some double super-secret fakeout pony plan where Obama making himself look like a huge weakling desperate for praise from right-wing lunatics is somehow beneficial to a president getting things done. If that's the case, and the strategy really is to make Obama look like a wimp, then guilty as charged - I'm dumb as a rock because I don't get it.

So which of these stories are true? Do we have President Obama the winner of the 2008 election heading to Capitol Hill to tell the most irrelevant group of people in American politics that he won the election, that they are irrelevant, and that America stands with Democrats in support of a robust spending-based economic recovery package? Or do we have Obama, a new kind of triangulator, desperately weakening himself by inexplicably empowering irrelevant Republicans with leverage to sabotage the economic recovery package - leverage they only have if they get it from him?

Stay tuned.  


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Whatever the truth of these reports may be. . . (4.00 / 11)
. . .one thing is absolutely clear. If Obama waters down a crucial stimulus package with worthless tax cut and other measures just to try to garner a few scattered Republican votes (which he won't get), when he could get a strong, vital stimulus passed without them, then we have a serious problem here.

That's... (0.00 / 0)
Tha's a fairly big IF isn't it?  Why all the arm waving over something that we are only getting glimpses of through whichever partisan lens is being worn at the moment?  Continual second hand reports citing anonymous sources are killing civil democracy.

Why not wait and see what's actually in the bill once it gets to the Senate before we hyperventilate over it's supposed contents?  

Oh and David, perhaps you missed it when Obama campaigned strenuously on being Prez for ALL the American people and that going to a meeting with those irrelevants elected to represent a very relevant portion of the American people is not going to do any harm to any one at all.


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The policies the minority party are pushing for, however (4.00 / 1)
Will do lots of harm.  Hence the "arm waving".

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What... (0.00 / 0)
What harm is done by pushing?  Isn't that what progressives are doing?

When they actually get what they want then we can complain, but I see no harm in them pushing for whatever it is they believe in.  It's sorta how we work as a country isn't it?


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It's not the "pushing" that progressives object to (4.00 / 1)
It's the fact that Obama is so eager to embrace these policies (ostensibly) just to  seem like he isn't "too leftist".

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Well... (0.00 / 0)
Well, I must be woefully uninformed as all I heard about was a meeting where Obama listened and had a discussion with members of the House, not that he had agreed to anything.

I'd be interested in seeing the actual changes that were made in this meeting.  Perhaps you can help me out there?


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kjk (1.00 / 8)
I don't see the problem. He's going to look at some proposals to see if they work. What I really don't get is how you guys routinely pontificate on Obama's lack of brilliance. What have you guys done that's so smart? Are you a double Ivy graduate? Did you graduate from HLS? Where you the President of the Law Review? Were you the first black president? Did you run the best campaign in presidential history? Did you just trounce a war hero? Did you just win by more than 7% of the vote? What, exactly, have you done that's so smart? And, more importantly, have you ever gotten the majority of Americans to vote for progressive politics? Just because he's doing something different than what you'd like let's not impute the intelligence of someone who's resume makes yours look impotent.

Let's also not deify him (4.00 / 12)
On the face of it, paying attention to House Republicans seems like a dumb move, as the pay-off from it is negligible but the cost is great and likely to increase exponentially.

Now maybe Barack Obama actually does have a Super Secret Awesome Plan (TM), but we shouldn't assume that he does just because of who he is.

Actions that look stupid should be considered to be so until there is evidence that they aren't, and vice versa.

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Except this looks smart (4.00 / 1)
The reason Obama spends time talking to Republicans is because most of the country likes the idea of a president who is willing to talk to those on the other side of the aisle.

This is mere public posturing, and is smart politicking.  There's no reason to assume that such posturing means that Obama is giving in to the House GOP.


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They don't like it more than good policy (4.00 / 9)
Most of the country likes a fixed economy more than they like a president who talks to those on the other side of the aisle. People in Washington, D.C. routinely forget this basic truism.

I don't care how many Republicans Senators say nice things about Barack Obama - if the economic stimulus package is watered down and doesn't do the job to fix the economy, the country won't like Barack Obama.


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Policy (4.00 / 2)
Actually, most of the country hardly gives a damn about policy.  Obviously, they care about results, which is highly related to policy, but they aren't the same thing.

And I think it is safe to say this meeting wasn't about making Obama look better in your eyes.


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big ass (4.00 / 1)
is a known troll. You won't get far trying to reason with him.

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Science Works (4.00 / 7)
because none of the stuff you mentioned matters.  If a Nobel Prize-winner can't prove his point, and a wet-behind-the-ears grad student can, it's the grad student who carries the day.

If we want our politics to work, we'll try to emulate that way of doing things.

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What happens if the Republicans actually have an idea that makes (4.00 / 3)
sense?  Like encouraging the repatriation of overseas profits so they create jobs here and not in China or Europe?

Can Obama use them?  Or do you consider that "dangerously weakening" him?

You're starting to sound like that Texas basketball coach who ran up the score 100-0 just to find out it got him fired.  Won the battle, lost the war.

I suggest your desire to crush the Republicans is overwhelming a rational analysis of ANY of their proposals.  And if you think that any of their proposals are endangering the stimulus, I suggest your economic analysis is off.


PLEASE READ THE POST (3.64 / 11)
Had you read, you would have read this:

NOBODY HAS MADE ANY SUBSTANTIVE CASE THAT ANY TAX CUTS THE REPUBLICANS ARE PUSHING ARE BETTER FOR JOB CREATION AND ECONOMIC GROWTH THAN PUTTING THE MONEY INTO MORE PUBLIC SPENDING.

'Nuff said.


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MORE ALL CAPS PLEASE!!! (2.40 / 5)
I CAN'T QUITE HEAR YOU!  COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK UP?????

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the title is off: (4.00 / 2)
these are conflicting reports of people who were in the meeting; obama is not sending these signals.  and no, his 'message disciple' or lack thereof is not at issue here, since he can't very well prevent GOP aides from talking to the press. they don't work for him.  

it's funny how, for someone so critical of those who view obama as all-powerful, you seem to think that he could control republican congressional aides.    


You prove my point (4.00 / 10)
That's the whole point, pal. When you go and have a meeting with irrelevant Republicans who need your attention in order to be relevant, you empower them to start controlling - and distorting - the message with stories like these.

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I have to agree with David (and that's rare) (4.00 / 4)
They should have never been involved from the start... all they want to do is sabotage... They should have had a bill ready quickly for Obama to sign as soon as he was inaugurated...  I'm not sure what he's trying to do here... I'm sure he has a plan, cut I don't see what it is!

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David, wish you would have had the same clarity w/r/t the second $350 billion of the bailout... (0.00 / 0)
...rather than siding with a handful of confused House Democrats -- mostly Blue Dogs -- and these same irrelevant House Republicans in opposing an additional $350 billion in public spending.

But I do understand that reasonable minds can differ on this point.  

I just don't like seeing House Republicans empowered, and I don't like the implied frame that emergency public spending requires massive non-Executive Branch oversight and conditionality.


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Exactly (4.00 / 3)
By catering to Republicans who have no interest in a successful Obama presidency for what increasingly appears to be some kind of post-partisan vanity, Obama risks doing little more than legitimizing a failed Republican agenda and giving them more rope to try to hang him with.

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Why does anyone think (4.00 / 6)
Obama would be displeased with the conflicting reports?

As usual, he gives different constituencies something to cling to. The Establishment and the general populace--the primary target audience for his bipartisan schtick--can be impressed with his willingness to compromise and his "pragmatism." Meanwhile, progressives can breath a sigh of relief and believe he hasn't totally sold out. Isn't this mixed messaging pretty much his modus operandi?


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yup-- and he meets with CEOs tom'w -- (0.00 / 0)
-- behind closed doors, of course -- & we'll hear more mixed messages yet again.

http://features.csmonitor.com/... -- Obama will meet with CEOs to sell economic recovery plan


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Courage is needed... (4.00 / 1)
If the Dems want to own the ENTIRE stimulus, then they will need to courageously snub Obama's message of bi-partisanship and take what consequences of political fallout goes with it...for better or worse depending on the results of the stimulus. However, since Obama is courting bi-partisanship, he is ensuring some ownership in those consequences which will empower Dems to keep their majority in the next two election cycles, which I think is rather ingenious since he can then support finger pointing by Dems at the failed 'tax cuts' that they will claim caused the failure. The buy-in spreads the blame should it not create the intended results. This can only work if the Republicans back/vote for the package - perhaps this is why Dems in Congress are letting him pursue Repubs so strongly?? OTOH, if like David says, the Repubs are irrelevant, Dems need to have the courage to fight for their belief in the bill's success... but can they muster the courage if theyll have to take the negative fallout? It doesn't appear so.

It's both, in a sense (4.00 / 3)
I will bold the important part here:

One Republican senator, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the president pledged to Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., to have aides review two specific proposals. One would affect businesses that pay down their debt. The other would provide a temporary tax holiday for companies that have money overseas and bring it back to the United States to invest.

The Senate has the ability to gum this all up, unless Obama and the Senate Dems want to do what Clinton and the Senate Dems did in 1993 and pass it through budget reconciliation and not subject to filibuster- and clearly they don't. You can certainly debate the wisdom of that approach (I'm of the opinion this making nice with Republicans for PR purposes is too clever by half, but then again, I didn't just get elected with the biggest Democratic majority since LBJ while using this rhetoric), but it does make the "not the same old tired politics" talking point harder to sustain if you ram this through the same way Clinton did in 1993.

My guess is the House will pass a party-line version of the stimulus package, and the big giveaways to the Republicans (such as they are) will happen in the Senate, which is where we are going to need to press the hardest on. for progressive principles. THAT is where the sausage making is going to get ugly, I predict.


Here's the thing I struggle with (4.00 / 2)
How do you act as if House Republicans are irrelevant without acting as if people who vote for House Republicans are irrelevant?  I'm okay with doing the former because there's nothing inherently wrong with making minorities painfully aware that they are in the minority, but the latter group is one that I don't want to shove aside as a whole and say they don't matter in America.  So perhaps there is value in creating at least the perception of inclusiveness in order to minimize how much of the electorate is bitter and disgruntled. (That I bring this up should not be taken as a whole-hearted endorsement that Obama's style best addresses my conceerns.)

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True, but (4.00 / 2)
Yes, that's true - but I think it's safe for Obama - who, after all, ran in every congressional district - to act like he won and has a mandate after winning by one of the largest margins in recent history.

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Well... (0.00 / 0)
Saying "gosh, you might have a good point, House Republicans, I'll sure keep an open mind about your proposals" while letting the House Democrats be the heavies (note how the press is reporting the Rs gushing about Obama and whining about Pelosi) is actually pretty standard good cop/bad cop.

Basically, David's right; the House Republicans ARE the legislative equivalent of the appendix (not particularly needed functionally). But that's the problem with promising "change" and a new kind of politics"; you have to at least make a SHOW of making nice as opposed to what the previous White House occupant did (freeze out the Democrats), and the Republicans are using every chance they can to mau-mau nice little progressive features of the bill.

I'm really ambivalent about Obama trying to make this bipartisan, as I stated above; really, if this works, it's going to help Obama and the Democrats FAR more than the Republicans, and jettisoning good progressive principles for the window dressing of Arlen Specter being an "aye" vote... well, I am not convinced it'll work or pay benefits down the road.


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Again (4.00 / 2)
Again, I have no problem with him being "bipartisan" - that is, I have no problem with him having meetings, talking about the need for unity, etc. That's all great. What's not great is sacrificing good policy in order to achieve a bipartisanship that isn't legislatively necessary.

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Quote (2.67 / 3)
Why Obama would spend time meeting with them is inexplicable.


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The meeting was about legislative negotiation (4.00 / 1)
It wasn't a "get to know you" - it was a bargaining session.

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Well, realistically... (4.00 / 1)
Making a complete show of "bipartisanship" and freezing the Rs out on any meaningful chance to affect the legislation (even if it's BAD amendments) is basically Bush in Democrat drag- using the Republicans for a photo op. And yes, Obama has to treat the House and Senate Republicans as equals, even though we know they aren't.

The essential problem I see is Obama is treating the Congressional Republicans as a good faith partner in all of this- but it's important to note that he sort of committed to doing this during the campaign through his rhetoric. It would be hard for him to back out of this one week into his presidency and do the legislative equivalent of going "go pee up a rope about tax cuts, Republicans- very little of this stimulus package is negotiable because I won, and you're a HUGE part of why we're in this mess, anyway" (which IS the actual truth, which makes it a gaffe in the Kinsleyian sense). It's simply not in Republican interests to own this stimulus legislation, though, as the thought of Republicans being full partners in ANY stimulus spending is giving Rush Limbaugh and the like hives, and the base (basically, the Bush dead-enders) is already pissed off about a trillion down the drain on TARP, with more to come. Given that, Obama is sort of negotiating with a) himself, and b) a tiny clique of Senate moderate Republicans, while having various photo ops with other R's that are political kabuki, since we KNOW Boehner et al will vote for this sometime after Hell freezes over. Like I said, I'm not sure Arlen Specter is worth jettisoning good legislation- but I guess we will see what kind of sausage shows up at the end of all this.


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Those voters are not irrelevant (4.00 / 1)
How "bitter and disgruntled" will they be IF the stimulus works? Moreover, if the stimulus is passed w/o concession and in the face of GOP dissent, the only ones that might feel any of their anger are those that opposed a successful bill, no?

The "perception of inclusiveness" will be there when the money goes out - red states will get stimulus, just like blue states.

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     ...but its right."


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planned parenthood goes to war (4.00 / 3)
planned parenthood just emailed me with lobbyign tools for tommorrow to push for family planning. a pretty terse bit in it about obama too...

Good. (4.00 / 1)
I see no reason why if the conservative Republican Wurlitzer of nonsensical ideology is starting up, that we can't play our OWN tune for Democrats to dance to.

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pay go returns (0.00 / 0)
like pay go? blue dogs struc deal on it. back to pay go.
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congratulations to the anti-TARP dems on this one (0.00 / 0)


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Breaking News: There is no conflict (4.00 / 1)
The tax cuts mentioned in the first quote are tax credits for the working poor- the ones Republicans are opposed to because they go to people who don't pay income tax, which Republicans consider "welfare".  These are the tax cuts Obama is refusing to compromise on.

The tax cuts Obama said he'd consider are the business tax cuts described in the second quote- the ones that reward paying down debt and moving jobs back from overseas.  

Two entirely different tax cuts.  Hence, no "conflict".

Moreover, the tax cuts that are discussed in the article you link to - the ones "we know" don't stimulate GDP growth - represent yet a THIRD category of tax cuts, designed to reward companies that create new jobs.  These tax cuts were stripped out of the bill more than a week ago, after both Dems and Repubs argued that they are unworkable.  

So there are actually three different tax cuts on the table here.  Hopefully that clarifies things for you.


He's doing what he said he'd do (4.00 / 1)
He said he'd be bipartisan. That's about the only thing he really committed to. That's what he's doing. That's all he's going to do. It'll probably be enough to get him reelected. Nothing much is really going to change.

We seem to be talking about two different things (0.00 / 0)
One is whether Obama is trying to "till the soil" for much more difficult decisions down the road, potentialities that include nationalization of the banks, etc.

The second is whether that will actually work.

I vote "yes" on the first one, "probably not" on the second. I think Obama is trying to establish a working relationship with the GOP, so that he can look principled but not an idealogue, etc. As for going to the House instead of the Senate...he goes there precisely because he doesn't have to give them anything. If today's conversation had taken place in the Senate, it would have immediately led to endless horse-trading, and Obama would actually have to give something up. Going to the Senate would be playing to (relative) weakness, given the rules of that body.

I think it's a brilliant piece of strategy: again the Senate is the soft spot, so he brings Lieberman back into the fold, to get closer to 60, but avoids direct negotiating with the Senate GOP, and focuses on the House GOP, hoping for a little halo effect to soothe relations back in the Senate. And the House GOP is potentially receptive to it, because 1)they are just glad they aren't completely irrelevant, and 2)they have no real leadership. These guys are a wandering pack of mangy dogs, looking for direction. And Obama's casual strutting ("You can't listen to Rush Limbaugh & get something done") and open mockery ("You'll say bad things about me, I'll watch it on Fox News, and feel bad about myself") is establishing himself as the big dog in the room. Our guy is shrewd as hell....I love it!

As to whether it will work, if he can peel off just a few, and keep the political war of words down a notch...neutralizing some of the rush to polarization...then there is a better chance he will get more things done, done sooner, and perhaps even pull the GOP's center of gravity just a few ticks back toward the middle.

Let's hope.


Those of Us Who Supported Hillary (0.00 / 0)
felt that Obama and his supporters were naive about bipartisanship with Republicans.  No such thing is possible with people who are basically nihilists, but the good thing is that we do not need the Republicans to get things done.

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