Yes, Commerce Secretary Is Important

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 05:00


So, Judd Gregg will become Commerce Secretary, and a Republican will keep Gregg's seat in the Senate. Gregg's lifetime Progressive Punch rating of 10.08 out of 100.00, and 6.91 "when the chips are down," should make him a much needed right-wing champion for the Commerce Department. Gregg should also be a useful voice during cabinet meetings, making sure that President Obama and the other radical liberals there don't over-reach.

Now, even though Gregg is a conservative Republican and I am a progressive Democrat, I generally agree with the argument that there are no progressives qualified to run the government. We are incompetent managers after all, just like Republicans have always said. This is why I did not apply for a job in the Obama administration. Better to leave it to the serious, non-ideological people.

Further, bipartisan gestures like this are likely to pay big dividends when President Obama and congressional Democrats need Republican support. Results speak for themselves, and Republicans have been voting with Democrats at a record pace so far during 2009.

Yet further, I agree with the arguments that the Commerce Department isn't very important. For one thing, it only has a budget of $8.2 billion. Even beyond its meager finances, as I explain in the extended entry, it also touches on a number of entirely unimportant areas.

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  1. The Census: Ten years ago, during a fight between the Census bureau and the Clinton administration about the use of statistical sampling in the Census (so as not to undercount poor urban areas), Gregg presided over the Senate subcommittee in charge of Census funding. While he did not release funds with as strongly anti-sampling restrictions as did the House, he did "include a prohibition against making "irreversible" plans for sampling." Hopefully, Gregg won't work to undercount low income urban areas in the 2010 census, too.

  2. Broadband stimulus grants: The Commerce Secretary also presides over the National Telecommunication and Information Administration (NTIA). According to both the House and Senate stimulus packages, the NTIA will be in charge of distributing the majority of the grants. Right now, the debate is over whether these grants will go to local governments, or directly to telecommunication companies. Given Gregg's awesomely progressive record, it isn't hard to figure out that these grants are pretty much just going to turn into corporate welfare now.
The Commerce department is also involved with intellectual property law, trade deals, and environmental protection of the oceans. These are important things, and not simply to be brushed aside.

Now, the counter-argument to this is two-fold. First, that Gregg's replacement, Bonnie Newman, will probably vote like Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins. Second, that Newman won't run in 2010, thus making the seat easier to win. However, there is an easy rebuttal to those claims: we don't know how Newman will vote, and we might not win the seat in 2010 anyway. Essentially, we are handing over an entire federal department to a right-wing conservative in exchange for the possibility of an election victory in 2010 and one more vote on a few pieces of legislation in 2009-2010. So, we get possibilities, while a right-wing Republican gets a federal department.

That's a pretty crappy deal. Our ability to win elections in 2010 will be dependant on how effectively we govern in 2009-2010. If we govern like conservative Republicans, which we will now be doing in the Commerce department, we will probably get booted out of office, just like they were. And, when they get back in power, liberal Democrats won't be running the Departments of Defense, Commerce and Tranportation.


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"There are no progressives qualified to run the government." (0.00 / 0)
This quote is destined to appear in Rush Limbaugh's next harangue, and when Chris Bowers tries to explain "sarcasm" to the uncouth multitudes, they will throw their shoes.

making the seat easier to win for what? (4.00 / 9)
Sorry, Chris.  I keep trying to believe that we have a participatory democracy, but it becoming more apparent as the years go by that it is all a big lie.  There are insiders and everybody else.  The insiders own the house, and they don't lose.  If an insider sneaks in, they either fish or cut bait get thrown overboard. Ask Howard Dean.  

Talking about crappy deals, Obama is the MI apparition.  When he thought MI was in play, he was glued to the unions, autos and buy American.  The second MI turned blue, he sped out of town ;and we never saw or heard from him again.  The even bigger insult is that while the UAW is busy taking pay cuts and stripping benefits, WS is going to the super bowl, buying jets, and handing out huge bonuses with tax payer money that they don't even have to repay.   Obama did write them a terse letter, however.

Yepper.  Change I can believe in.  It is a good thing the future belongs to the young; and with people like you, Matt and others, maybe - just maybe - you will find a way to change this. For my grandsons, I hope so.  

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Hope for change is not change (4.00 / 2)
It has been obvious since the beginning--and certainly since his vote on FISA--that Obama would tout the progressive line when it suited his political aims, and then, when it came to actual govern, fall right in line as a typical corporatist politician. People can complain about the Republicans all they want, but until we find a way to create a true progressive alternative to the Democratic Party, nothing is going to change in this country.

 


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sigh (4.00 / 9)
Heard something along these lines at CNN last night... the news report said Obama wanted Gregg because there was going to be need for fiscal conservatism after the stimulus and Gregg, being a Republican, could help with that.

So, yes, this pick already reinforces the idea that Democrats can't be trusted with fiscal responsibility, all evidence to the contrary be damned.

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Gregg can help (0.00 / 0)
He can help as head of the Commerce Dept to cut excessive corporate welfare.  Who better to put in charge of  cutting that part of spending?

Better still, he will be out of the Senate and replaced by someone who doesn't have his seniority or relationships, to say nothing of his media contacts.  

Obama has removed a skilled, networked legislator and champion deficit hawk and put him in his tent pissing out toward the GOP.  Bonnie Newman may vote like Gregg (but odds are that she will be slightly more progressive on social issues, as most women legislators are) but she won't have anything like his clout.  I think it's a pretty clever move overall, and I suspect Reid was looking at much more than just who fills his seat.

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I have no doubt left that Obama considers himself (4.00 / 8)
the first 'Independent' President; he likes the infrastructure that elects Democrats....the Democratic Party infrastructure...it's good to use to get elected, but to call on the deep field in the Democratic Party that can make the transition from electing to  governing?, well, 'he's just not that into you' and he doesn't care who knows it either.

but I think he is going to turn the dlc (4.00 / 3)
to an elect Obama organization.  I think he kind of wants to lose congress so than he will have to be a postpartisan, whether we like it or not.  I think he is a very conservative democrat and postpartisanship is just an excuse for it.

We need to start investing in ACTBlue fifty state strategy now!

If we make sure we win congress despite no support from the DNC Obama's postpartisanship will backfire on him and not the democrats.

He'll give it up or lose.


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I think you mean the DNC and actually it usually does turn into (4.00 / 4)
the arm that re-elects a Democratic President. It was only Howard Dean's exceptional work that made most of us aware that the DNC could be used as the apparattus that elects Democrats at all levels.

What really bothers me is that really good Democratic progressive people, local activists that I have worked with on many campaigns, refuse to acknowledge what is going on before their very eyes and they make excuse after excuse for decisions just like what we are seeing with Judd Gregg. It is especially galling for activists here in New England....we faithfully march up to NH during election season....make the calls( and go door to door) asking for Democratic support all along the ballot and then Lynch and Obama do this.... who do you think makes the most dependent phonebankers? Union people. Often chartering buses, getting the halls and phones for the phone banking effort.

This is a slap in the face with the extra added sentence"and what are you going to do about it' thrown in to really make it sting.

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Poor understanding (0.00 / 0)
In the days before primaries, governors or senators could frequently control entire state delegations at the national convention.  Many of the rivals who were in Lincoln's cabinet were there to fulfill a promise made at the convention by Lincoln's campaign manager, David Davis.

Some of them proved capable, some corrupt and Seward eventually became faithful although he started out as the biggest conniver in the cabinet.

Lincoln got something from these picks before he filled the position. He did not merely hope to get something.


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According to Doris Kearns Goodwin (4.00 / 2)
but I don't think she is a reliable historian.  Read my post in quickhits on the gregg nomination.

I was always taught that Lincoln's cabinet was a complete wreck, and that there were very few people he appointed that didn't quit, or get fired, or resign in a political scandal.


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So (0.00 / 0)
Did you go to New Hampshire and do phonebanking?

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Yes, phonebanking to NH homes and door to door since 1980 (4.00 / 1)
And while phone banking the script given to volunteers specifically asks that all Democrats be supported.

I went to NH for Kerry and while knocking on doors asked those voters to support Lynch as well.

This cycle saw our effort for door to door in Portsmouth and phone banking effort  for Obama included Shaheen  and Hodes and was centered around Claremont ( Paul Hodes' district)  


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I suspect that (0.00 / 0)
more than a few of your fellow citizens who often vote Republican might harbor similar thoughts about Bush/Cheney and the Neo-Junta that they brought to DC.

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no (4.00 / 1)
While the Bush train was speeding down the track straight for a brick wall any fool could see, Republicans absolutely loved him.  After the collision, when his failure was manifest, suddenly they discovered he was a liberal.

It's sickening how they won't own up to George Bush, the true face of conservativism and the most conservative president ever.


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If Republicans loved him (0.00 / 0)
why was his approval rating so low?

According to the conservative GOPpers I speak with (granted not a statistically relevant population) GWB was a neo-conservative. His administration abandoned the concepts of smaller government and fiscal responsibility, while embracing the religious fundamentalist's views with regard to the so-called "culture of life".  

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Bush approval (0.00 / 0)
For the entire Bush Presidency, his approval among Republicans was well over 70%.  Even this poll at the very end has 54% of Republicans approving, and only 34% disapproving.  And that number is likely depressed because Bush got a Democrat elected, and lost Congress.  

The concepts of small government and fiscal responsibility are just gimmicks used by the GOP for advantage.  The real values of conservativism is about creating aristocracy, which doesn't care about a big spending and big government that serves those ends.

Hell, Reagan proved that Republicans don't care about either issue when it is a "true conservative" enlarging the government and spending recklessly.  He can't blame Congress either, he had a Republican senate for 6 years.


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It is almost as though... (4.00 / 1)
...we believed the right wing when they said over and over during the campaign that Obama was America's Most Liberal Senator, and now we're surprised to find out that it wasn't really true.

Obamas have found a new church (4.00 / 4)
and their pastor is David Broder

And they joined a new political party: (0.00 / 0)
Connecticut for Lieberman/Obama

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Does it occur to anyone that Obama (4.00 / 6)
is simply more conservative than most voters thought he was. Afterall, most democrats are low info voters that fell for the Iraq war just like republicans.  The postpartisanship is simply cover for a philosophy that needs divided government to justify itself.  Namely the "third way" of Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and the DLC, and the Hamilton Project.

Without divided government your only excuse for being way more conservative than your voters is something silly like post-partisanship or higherbroderism.


Did it occur to anyone that Obama is a Republican? (4.00 / 2)
Trust me, Obama did not campaign as a conservative in Michigan or Ohio.  Bill Clinton ran the same sneak play.  

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Yeah, and did you see what Blair did to England? (4.00 / 3)
Their banking mess might drive the country to sovereign default. And we're still dealing with blowback from NAFTA and welfare reform. 3rd way is better than the Republican way but it causes a lot of harm to the country all the same.

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NOAA isn't just about oceans (4.00 / 3)
A lot of research on global warming happens in NOAA labs.

The Census Bureau is extremely important, and I am pessimistic about Gregg's role there.

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and Obama's not lifting a finger (3.56 / 9)
to end Republican obstruction of Hilda Solis's confirmation, as far as I can see.

She's done nothing wrong and is being held up for purely ideological reasons. Obama then turns around and appoints a conservative Republican.

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I was just going to point this out. (4.00 / 5)
So far the evidence suggests that Obama believes it is more important to keep the right happy as opposed to the left that got him elected.

It's insane.


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Chambers of commerce across the country are full of assholes (0.00 / 0)
serious assholes. Conservative to the point of permanent constipation.  I dealt with them once here in Oxford. Assholes.  I hate the idea of wasting time bitching about this particular nomination, I'd prefer to have NO republicans in the cabinent.  But I suspect that this and the other 'bi-partisan' moves are really efforts to diffuse and deflate the ability of conservatives to galvanize popular sentiment against Obama and his policies in general.  I think Obama doesn't want to repeat what happened to Clinton in '93 with conservatives able to take thier miniority, close ranks and rally a powerful opposition that crippled Clinton's stimulus, stopped health care reform dead in its tracks and couldn't address the climate change issue.

How do you know? (4.00 / 3)
And, when they get back in power, liberal Democrats won't be running the Departments of Defense, Commerce and Tranportation.

Ah, but they might. See? Might!

Ha! Trapped by logic!


If it's stupid, then why is Obama doing it? (0.00 / 0)
What are the possible explanations for doing something that seems stupid politically?

1.  Obama is an idiot.
2.  Obama thinks that Gregg will be good on a policy-level.

I don't think the first choice is very likely.


3)Obama is a very conservative Democrat (4.00 / 6)
I would lay odd on that answer.

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1) logically follows from 2) (4.00 / 4)
A global warming denialist leading climate research? A voting rolls manipulator in charge of the census? Oh, and one of the leading partisan Republicans, with strong ties to McConnell, in on Cabinet meetings? It takes an idiot to expect Gregg to do a good job.

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Talk about a false dilemma (4.00 / 3)
Look, it might be very good for Obama politically, in the sense of raising his own numbers because he looks "bipartisan".

Of course, it comes at the expense of progressive policy -- but where is there a sign that Obama cares deeply about that?

Just as in the election itself, Obama can adopt the attitude towards progressives, Well, where else are they going to go? Who else are they going to vote for?

And if there's one piece of political magic Obama of which truly is the master, it's his ability to convince so-called progressives that he's one of them when he dumps on their causes again and again.

Obama is simply without peer in his ability to make fools of progressives. In that sense, he truly is a once-in-a-lifetime politician.  


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it could have been worse (0.00 / 0)
considering who Obama was considering for cabinet appointment

really, where were you during the primary????


But the difference there is (4.00 / 4)
Putting Arnold in the cabinet would put a good Democrat in his place as governor of California, which would be absolutely crucial at this point in time. It's a trade I would happily make.

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Arnie is miles better than Gregg (4.00 / 2)
He is a genuinely moderate Republican, and at least occasionally does things other than attempt to oppose everything Democrats try to do.

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Do we know if other "moderate" Republicans Senators were approached... (0.00 / 0)
...about trading their seats for a cabinet position? Maybe Judd Gregg was the only one willing to do so at this time. Were Snowe or Collins approached? Are there any other possible non-southern Republicans out there who could be co-opted? None that I know of.  

arg. (4.00 / 4)
Might as well insert Inhofe as head of the EPA and Coburn to head transportation, or education. We can resurrect Virgil Goode's career by creating a department of Muslim affairs. Tancredo can then be placed at HUD...

we should be able to get to 62 senators in 2010 without N.H. This is silly and unwarranted.  


well, what should we do about this besides whining? (4.00 / 1)
What should we do about this?

What is Blue Hampshire doing to influence the Governor's decision?  Can we help Blue Hampshire push the Governor to make a different decision?

What should be done about the Commerce Department.  Yglesias had an interesting enough proposal not long ago about what to do with it.  Eliminate it.  He basically asserted that the Commerce Department is largely useless, and that its few useful functions could easily be delegated to other Agencies.

Most of what commerce does is compile statistics, right?

Well, statistics on employment and related issues could be folded into the DoL.  

The Census could be a separate department within another agency, or even it's own unique department.  Fold it into HUD, or Treasury (why Treasury?  Because they compile a lot of information as part of people submitting tax returns).  Maybe even Interior.  

Though it may not save much in the way of costs since the most important commerce tasks would be delegated to other agencies, eliminating the commerce department would be a symbolic image of the Obama administration reducing government waste.  


I think that might be the best bet (0.00 / 0)
There's not a lot of chance of success, but it'd be the best way to show our anger.

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What should we do? (0.00 / 0)
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More trouble with Govs appointing Sens (0.00 / 0)
More evidence that such a mechanism is out-of-date.

I can see 3 mechanisms for replacing Sens and Reps that take positions in a Presidential administration that are more politically palatable:

1) Let the out-going Congress member appoint their successor.

2) Continue to let the Governor appoint the successor, but require approval from the state legislature.

3) Special election and let the voters decide.

4) Leave the seats empty until the next election.

I'd go with #3 even though its the most costly because it is also democratic and more easily used to replace Congress members that don't finish their terms for other reasons. Number 4 has its charms, too.

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     ...but its right."


Again quoting someone else, (4.00 / 1)
this fiasco reminds me of eCAHNomics saying the other day that Obama's cabinet appointments can be simply explained by his not knowing many people who can do the jobs. In recent history Commerce has been treated as so second-tier that Obama might not think an extensive search for it a good use of his time.  

This fiasco also reminds me of Al Giordano's theory. The person who is selected won't have any relationships with his or her Republican colleagues and as of now
it does not benefit him or her to be a party-line Republican if he or she is running in 2010. If the person is independently a genuine conservative, we are in real trouble.    

Darkness has a hunger that's insatiable, and lightness has a call that's hard to hear.  


Dept. of Lashon Hara (0.00 / 0)
Per NYT, Gregg for Commerce was originally Reid's idea, and he suggested it to Rahm.  

Darkness has a hunger that's insatiable, and lightness has a call that's hard to hear.  

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Look at it this way: (0.00 / 0)
It's 2001 and Bush has just appointed Colin Powell secretary of state.  I'm sure a lot of people (I was one of them) thought "oh good, a moderate in a key cabinet position to influence Bush."  Look how that turned out.

We shouldn't let Obama off the hook too easily, but I hardly think putting Judd Gregg in charge of Commerce is a disaster.  First, I'm sure he is as conservative as people say, but it's not like we're putting Mitch McConnell or John Cornyn or someone like that in there.  Second, maybe we don't win Gregg's seat in 2010.  Well, '10 is shaping up to be a bloodbath anyway because of all the Republican senators retiring.  

Obama is a long way from desserving the charge of sitting there laughing at liberals while he thumbs his nose at us.  We snarled at Brennan and he withdrew him.  We complained about Summers and he got withdrawn (still an advisor, though).  

I do'nt know what he is thinking with this appointment.  If I had to guess I would say it's a good faith effort to try and restore the idea of one party not completely shutting out the other like we had the past 8 years.  It probably won't work, since today's Republican party is incapable of extending an olive branch, but hey it's the right thing to do.  I could be wrong, though, and if I am I'll say so.  It would be nice of Obama to explain why he is doing this.

If the worst thing that happens from this is a less-than-ideal census count, I won't mind.


Census has funding and electoral effects (0.00 / 0)
If the worst thing that happens from this is a less-than-ideal census count, I won't mind.

"Less-than-ideal" census counts have real-life consequences for low-income, high-immigrant, and Democratic-voting communities.  But hey, as long as you've got yours, Notorious P.A.T.


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