Bipartisan Fake Withdrawals

by: Matt Stoller

Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 01:04


The great Carl Levin-authored Democratic plan to own the war is on schedule, as now Norm Coleman wants a withdrawal, the same withdrawal that bipartisan groups are going to endorse because it's not actually, you know, a withdrawal.

Republican Sen. Norm Coleman of Minnesota says he now supports withdrawing 5,000 troops from Iraq before the end of the year, a plan proposed by Sen. John Warner of Virginia.

5000 troops, wow.  That's amazing.  So we'll only have 35,000 more troops in Iraq than we had just after the public voted to end the war in November, 2006.  Awesome.  How bipartisan.

Seriously, the John Warner retirement festivities a few days ago were just nauseating.  Warner's a vain Republican that sends other people to die for his ego.  I just don't get the 'he was so wonderful and oh check out his marriage to Elizabeth Taylor and also what a smart wise man he knew a lot about missiles' line that came from every news outlet all at once.  Warner voted for Bush's war and kept voting for it for five years.  That's a very bad, not a very good, thing.  And it's not bipartisanship or independence of mind.  It's just being manipulated by a stupid, craven greedy, and bloodthirsty spoiled brat, at best.

Also, Edwama, please listen to Matthew Yglesias on how to 'shake up the 2008 race' and, subtext, beat Hillary Clinton.

Honestly, this doesn't seem like brain surgery to me -- the chance-taking, things-shaking-upping position to take would be to join Bill Richardson in calling for a real withdrawal of American troops from Iraq. The fact that none of the main three candidates have engaged with each other on the Iraq issue and, instead, all seem to have combined to prevent efforts by Biden (from the right) and Richardson (from the left) to make this a big deal seems pretty weird to me.

I know lots of people want the grand netroots to make our grand endorsement of the one true Presidential candidate and thereby rock the foundations of the universe, but, um, speaking only for every person who has ever blogged, ever, anywhere, I'll point out that by and large I don't want to endorse someone who wants to keep troops in Iraq.  And I certainly can't get excited or advocate for someone who thinks that we should continue our merry adventure abroad, regardless of how much I dislike Clinton, because as far as I can tell Edwama have the exact same position as Clinton.  I'm not going to be intellectually dishonest that way and pretend there are distinctions so that I can advocate for a non-Clinton named candidate, but even if I were to throw away my credibility that way you wouldn't believe me and I wouldn't change one person's mind.

Also, while I'm doing a bit of ranting, stupid articles on what the 'netroots' does or does not do, such as this one, or this one, to take but two examples, that ignore the fact that no top-tier Democrat differs from Clinton on Iraq, are really really stupid.  They are much stupider than articles (like this one by Art Levine or this one by the usually-very-good Kevin Drum) that just whine inaccurately about what 'the blogosphere' should have done as if the blogosphere is some top-down organization with centralized management that controls the Democratic party leadership rather than a network of people with somewhat highly trafficked websites held in mild disdain by most Democrats on the Hill with any decision-making authority or useful information.  Although to be fair to the previous two really stupid articles, the latter two stupid articles were pretty stupid.

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Troops trade (0.00 / 0)
It's gotten to the point that I'd like to get our troops to DC  in trade for moving most of the politicians to Iraq. They like it so damn much, they ought to call it home.

Excellent rant Matt.... (0.00 / 0)
Sharp and to the point. From my own personal perspective I just cannot understand why Edwards doesn't beat HRC around the head and shoulders with this issue. Obama I get; Joey's protege don't wanna rock the boat with an issue that doesn't 'fit' with his silly bi-partisan campaign meme, yeah I know he don't call it that but that's what it is.

But Edwards?

I mean this issue should be winner for him. Especially as HRC seems to think that her position on Iraq, 'stay forever', is just fine with the voters. I hope somebody in Edwards campaign wakes up and gets him to reflect what the  people want on this issue.

Which as anyone who reads any polling knows is: Get the fuck out Now!

I believe they call that paying attention to, and acting on, the will of the people 'Democracy'.

Something we need a big jolt of right about now.

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Imagine if Obama gave a speech like Howard Dean's "What I Want to Know" Sacramento speech instead of playing a prevent defense.

It seems that what exists among Democratic party officeholders is a cocktail party consensus attitude of being against the war but without any follow-through that might entail any risk to their jobs.  This gives those establishment Dems the benefit of feeling smarter than Bush but without having to do any work to actually fight him or risk their government salaries.  They tsk tsk how W is running the war, but they vote to give him more money to do so because they're really afraid of being called bad names by people who disagree with them.  I guess they think they are incapable of winning a fight. 

Imagine if those sitting Senators running for President actually used the power they have now to try to end the war or at least bring on that debate.  They go on and on about how they don't really have any power because the Republicans can gum up the works in the Senate.  Maybe they should look at how the Republicans gum up the works and do some gumming of their own.  Of course that would require taking a stand and putting their jobs at risk, so maybe they'll just give pretty speeches and plead powerlessness.  It's easier than actually doing anything.

Or maybe they're just playing us the way the Wall Street Republicans play the pro-life crowd. 

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Or maybe they're just playing us the way the Wall Street Republicans play the pro-life crowd.

Stupid me, didn't recognize that possibility until now. It lends a lot of credence to "Of course that would require taking a stand and putting their jobs at risk, so maybe they'll just give pretty speeches and plead powerlessness.  It's easier than actually doing anything."

Grrrr. BRING THEM HOME DAMMIT.


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there are differences (0.00 / 0)
between leaving troops 'in Iraq' and leaving troops in Kuwait, near Iraq, out of harm's way.  how can you not consider that a major difference in policy?  different candidates have made different pledges about basing, long-term designs, etc.  why is none of this mentioned?

and please (in the comments), enough with the myth that Obama chose Joe Lieberman as his Senate mentor, these are appointed.  it is just plain silly to advance that Obama is a politician of the ilk of Lieberman, you have to really ignore a lot of reality to think something like that.  when Joe Lieberman says "bipartisan", he means 'do what the Republicans say or you're a traitor'.  when Obama says it he means 'attempting to build consensus', and get away from Bush/Rove -style politics. 

Richardson is right to call for all troops to leave, but he can do so because he has no chance, i suspect if his numbers started to go way up he would suddenly become a lot more quiet about the subject.  Biden is just an idiot who thinks some other magical US army will come along to forcibly relocated Iraqis living in areas which aren't ethnically homogeneous.

no use sitting around hyperventilating about what the candidates are saying or not saying about Iraq right now.  there will be plenty of talk when things get down to the wire.  but, to say they've all said the same thing is just factually wrong.  and Clinton hasn't even really said jack crap one way or the other, she has no real position and hasn't committed herself to anything.  Edwards has specified an immediate drawdown, followed by more.  Obama has specified immediate reductions and redeployment to Afghanistan and some forces to Kuwait.  all Clinton has said is "I will end the war", which coming from her mouth, could mean just about anything.  but again, those three positions are not the same, and don't deserve to be treated as such.  its just not accurate.


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between leaving troops 'in Iraq' and leaving troops in Kuwait, near Iraq, out of harm's way.  how can you not consider that a major difference in policy?

All of them want to leave troops in Iraq proper. 

Where did the Lieberman stuff come up?  I didn't mention him in the post.


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Lieberman referenced in second comment (0.00 / 0)
Mentions "Joey's protege".

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