Obama's Secret Plan Theories: Is Bank Nationalization Still Possible?

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 13:56


In the past, I have, perhaps unfairly, mocked "Obama's secret plan theories." The basic premise of an "Obama's secret plan theory" is that candidate, and now President Obama, is employing centrist rhetoric, policy and appointments entirely as a means of political cover in order to achieve left-wing ends. Such theories are a bit of a stretch, as they imply, in the face of public statements to the contrary, that President Obama is both fundamentally deceptive and fundamentally left-wing.

Even beyond the way they contradict the public record, the real problem with "Obama's secret plan theories" is that they rely on contradictory impulses. On the one hand, they are based in the widespread perception that politicians are shifty and mendacious. On the one hand, they rely on the widespread desire to believe that our leaders actually reflect our own views. So, in the "secret plan theories," our pessimistic and optimistic inclincations toward politicians are miraculously combined into an entirely positive outlook toward a single politician.

Over the past week, I find myself in a bit of a conundrum, as there is a new "Obama's secret plan theory" floating around that I actually want to believe. Namely, the theory is that the "stress test" aspect of the bank bailout is actually a backdoor means of achieving bank nationalization. Josh Marshall summed up this theory nicely in an article two days ago (more in the extended entry):

Chris Bowers :: Obama's Secret Plan Theories: Is Bank Nationalization Still Possible?
There's been an alternative theory afoot in recent days which holds that Tim Geithner's ill-received bank rescue plan wasn't so much a plan as a holding pattern; and that the 'stress test' for banks may be the back door through which we move toward some sort of nationalization of at least some the big banks. Nouriel Roubini suggested something like this just after Geithner's speech. And now it seems that Obama too is leaving himself a decent amount of semantic and policy wiggle room to pursue such an approach.

Last week Ron Brownstein published an article based on an interview he and four other columnists were granted with President Obama. And now E.J.Dionne has published a detailed transcript of just what Obama said on the issue of nationalization.

The upshot is that Obama would not rule out Swedish model nationalization, though he clearly wants to avoid it. And the opposition to nationalization which Obama made clear early last week seems, in this interview, to be at least in part a matter of semantics, or subject to enough subsequent revision and experimentation as to bring us to the same end result. But this is a case where reading the precise words he used is key.

The logic here is strong enough that I don't want to dismiss it entirely:

  1. President Obama has considered the "Swedish model" of bank nationalization (that is, paying off the depositors, wiping out the shareholders, closing the bank, placing it into a receivership, and then selling the bank back to the private sector) as an approach to take with the bailout.

  2. President Obama has refused to rule out this model of bank nationalization as a future response to financial sector difficulties.

  3. It doesn't make sense to announce bank nationalization as a strategy, as the gap between the announcement of the strategy and the implementation of the strategy would create real economic chaos. In this area, I agree with another post by Josh Marshall. If you are going to nationalize some banks, you need to just do it, not announce it as a strategy.

  4. The "stress test" aspect of the current bailout plan will determine which banks need nationalization, and which banks do not. From that point, and only from that point, would nationalization of some banks become a viable option.
That... actually... kind of... makes sense.  However, there are some problems with it:

  1. Geithner and Summers: The pattern of behavior from Geithner and Summers so far makes it pretty clear that they would never support nationalization. Geithner has even made direct statements to this effect. As such, in order for bank nationalization to occur, President Obama would have to order it against the direct wishes of Geithner and Summers. This just doesn't seem very likely to me, as those two are winning a lot of arguments inside the administration these days.

  2. Would there be any money left?: By the time the "stress test" makes it clear which banks need to be nationalized and which ones do not, it is possible that there won't be enough money left in the TARP program to nationalize the banks that need it. Most of the money in the program has already been spent. Further, Congress, even one which wide Democratic majorities, is not going to approve more money if it is to be used for bank nationalization. So, there might not be any money to nationalize the banks.
Overall, the secret plan to nationalize the banks theory is tempting, but it still doesn't seem very likely. However, hanging our hopes on a secret plan theory might be all that we have. As such, perhaps my sympathy and understanding for such theories has grown over the past week.

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No Secret Plan (4.00 / 2)
Obama has expressed a preference for not nationalizing, however he has always left the door open for nationalizing or doing whatever it takes to get credit moving again and fix the financial system.  In fact, Obama generally throws in some reservations and caveats whenever he discusses his future plans for anything.  He is transparent about the fact that he doesn't know everything and that he reserves the right to change or reverse course at anytime if he determines that his initial plan wasn't working.  The opacity of Obama's decision-making is not just gamesmanship its also a product of the fact that he doesn't make up his mind what to do until he has enough information to be comfortable that he is making the right choice.

Alternatively, (0.00 / 0)
he could be said to be talking too much like a President Hamlet.

[ Parent ]
I'll take Hamlet (4.00 / 1)
over Richard III any day. Hell, I'll take Hamlet over Henry V.

[ Parent ]
Why not take Obama's statement (4.00 / 4)
as it seemed to be intended?

Namely, he will not rule out that, in extremis, if nothing else can be made to work, he might nationalize some banks?

The real problem with that statement is that the circumstances he might consider to be in extremis, and when that last resort might be attempted. Japan waited for many, many years to do things that should have been obviously necessary from the beginning, having done immense damage to their economy in the meantime.

It's not so much whether Obama might nationalize banks at some point that's critical; it's when.


Bankruptcy court is a kind of nationalization. n/t (0.00 / 0)


Jeff Wegerson

Preprivitazation (4.00 / 1)
Calculated Risk may not turn a phrase as often as Atrios, but he has tossed into the public discourse "preprivitazation" in place of "nationalization". As lingo goes, it works. The rest of the policy is beyond tricky. Yves Smith at Naked capitalism identifies a "former senior regulator" William Black who explains that there do not exist the public employes in Geithner's control to perform the actual stress tests that we imagine. Like so many other areas of governance, in finance we poked our eyes out over the last years, and now we stumble around in the blackness without any idea of where we are, much less which way is up or out. Atrios has noted that Sheila Baer has "eated" 13 banks so far this year; she can't do the same with any of the big four because it looks like she would choke to death when trying to swallow any one of them--or perhaps a better image is that she doesn't have a big enough mouth to get them into.

Plan B (4.00 / 1)
I don't think this is a secret plan so much as an available option held open.  One problem with nationalizing banks is we don't know which banks actually need nationalizing, we only have theories.  One could freeze all the banks, open the books and then put the good ones back unharmed while nationalizing the others -- that is what Roubini suggests -- but there are clearly issues with being that dramatic.  One thing you cannot do, though, is nationalize some large banks while leaving speculators thinking others might follow, that could turn a solvent bank into an insolvent one fairly quickly if the market abandoned them completely.

So using a stress test and public investors to find out which banks need to be nationalized is a good first step.  It is even a good step if you don't think any need to be nationalized, as it is worth finding out for sure and getting that information out there.  If you see the same first step required for two different actions it makes sense to perform that step before deciding which action to take next.  Personally, I don't think they plan to nationalize the banks at all, but will if they have to.

Also, if I understand correctly, Sweden didn't nationalize their banks for two years while they tried other solutions.  That makes an interesting point of reference as it has only been about six months so far for us.  

Are you sure congressional money is needed to nationalize the large banks?  I know we are nationalizing smaller ones all the, virtually every week one or two more go under and are nationalized.  I thought this is something the Fed was capable of handling on its own.


Which is why HOLC would help (0.00 / 0)
because it would at least clean up the banks balance sheets on mortgages.

I grant it would do nothing to clean up the toxic derivatives, but shouldn't we be assuming that they're worthless anyhow?

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


[ Parent ]
seems to me that the "is there enough money" question is pertinent (0.00 / 0)
not simply in the scenario that you are outlining (possible semi-covert plan to nationalize some banks down the road), but it also applies to calls to nationalize up front, as well as whatever other, more conventional, plans might be proposed.  clearly, there is not enough tarp money to change the credit situation if the banks aren't forced to loan the money that they receive.  and, it seems to me, a massive bank nationalization effort might also require more money than treasury has.  so, that creates something of a pickle, no?  

seems to me that we need to help create the conditions whereby the congress would be willing to dish out money for nationalization.  


Another reason (4.00 / 5)
it's a plausible scenario is that nationalization, whatever its connotations, isn't necessarily left-wing, with Lindsay Graham and other conservatives considering it. Right-wingers can probably calm their red-fears by considering it a kind of mass structured bankruptcy.

It would fit both Obama's style and politics for him to back into this approach.

But there's a real danger in waiting too long.


I agree with those (4.00 / 2)
who suspect it is not a secret plan, but rather a Plan B.

I suppose Obama deserves a measure of credit for "keeping and open mind". But I'm at the point where trial-and-error with trillions of dollars doesn't cut it.  I want the best plan tried first, not after all the money is gone.

The analogy I would draw is to the Super Bowl.  Imagine if the Arizona Cardinals had said before the game "We are not going to throw to our best receiver, Larry Fitzgerald.  If that doesn't work in the first half, we'll throw to him in the second half."

Needless to say, such an "open-minded" strategy would not be greeted with enthusiasm.  It would be greeted with contempt.  

Getting around to the right policy after wasting time and resources can only be considered "wise" when compared to the Forest Gump-simplicity of Bush and the tunnel vision of Cheney and the neocons, none of whom ever let facts get in the way of policy.  


There is such a thing as "deliberate haste" (4.00 / 1)
I don't think there is any evidence that Obama and Geithner are "wasting time and resources" yet.  Obama can't just shilly shally around on the bank issue forever, but, when you are the president, talking about a course of action is taking a course of action.  The words of presidents and Treasury secretaries can have serious impact on the decisions made by various market participants, so it behooves the president and Mr. Geithner to be more circumspect in their statements than Paul Krugman or Chris Bowers.


[ Parent ]
I'm not talking about shooting from the hip (0.00 / 0)
Sure, you don't want the President making rash statements without thinking.  But that is a strawman argument.  Nobody is saying that Obama and Geithner should be "rushing" to do anything.

What I am saying is that if we are going to get to nationalization anyway, I would prefer that we just do it and not beat around the bush.

Right now we are absolutely wasting time and resources.  Every month that goes by with the largest banks acting as zombies is another month that our economy suffers from lack of capital liquidity.  

But more importantly, every dollar that we pump in now, is simply a dollar that will be siphoned off by the existing executives.  You might as well light the stuff on fire.  It is absolutely a tremendous waste of limited resources (not to mention, outright theft of taxpayers' assets).


[ Parent ]
But nationalize who, when and how? (0.00 / 0)
I am not just beating up a straw man.  You say the Obama administration is wasting time.  I say they may be moving at the appropriate speed.  We will know with the fullness of time.  Even if it is inevitable that we wind up at nationalization it is not necessarily the case that the best thing for Geithner to do is to simply nationalize the banks that convential wisdom holds need nationalizing tomorrow.

[ Parent ]
Three important points (4.00 / 1)
First, whether or not the largest banks on Wall Street are insolvent really is not in doubt.  They were leveraged to the hilt.  Now their assets are worth fractions on the dollar.  The shareholders -- properly -- would be wiped out if they were forced to open up their books and admit to their losses.  There really isn't any doubt about this despite the obfuscations and protestations of some of the stakeholders.

Second, it isn't like Obama and Geithner walked into Washington in January and got their first look at the mess.  They have been working hand in hand with the previous administration for months. Furthermore, Geithner was head of the NY Federal Reserve Bank.  Enough with the "let's not rush them" defenses.  As Obama would say, "the time for talk is over. The time for action is now."  

Third, what I am asking for from Obama and Geithner are not public pronouncements about which banks will be nationalized and which won't.  What I am looking for -- and not getting -- is an acceptance that nationalizing the banks would be the preferred course of action given the right circumstances. When Obama hints that he disfavors nationalization because "we also have different traditions in this country" he is talking nonsense.  

What I am also looking for -- and not getting -- is a firm commitment (not a hope or an effort or a prayer) that bank's shareholders will be the first to get fucked and the taxpayers will be the last.


[ Parent ]
If you're going to fuck the shareholders (0.00 / 0)
You can't make a firm commitment to fuck the shareholders in advance.  Otherwise the shareholders will all dump their stock in any bank in which they know the shareholders will be fucked.  I'm not saying Obama is planning to fuck the shareholders, but if he were planning to fuck the shareholders, he certainly wouldn't make a firm public commitment to do it, he'd just do it when he was ready.

[ Parent ]
Let's be clear (0.00 / 0)
When I say "fuck the shareholders", I don't mean that the government needs to affirmatively take action that screws the shareholders.  Merely that the government should pledge to not prop up the assets of failed banks with taxpayers' money.  Having said that...

You can't make a firm commitment to fuck the shareholders in advance.  Otherwise the shareholders will all dump their stock in any bank in which they know the shareholders will be fucked.  

And?  Seriously. And what?  Citibank shares go to $0 tomorrow.  And what?  The government steps in.  Takes over.  Continues to run the business.  Banking goes on.  Only equity holders get wiped out.  So what?

The ONLY reason that the shares aren't at $0 today is because some investors believe that the Treasury will continue to buy up the worthless assets held by these failed bank and equity investors will get some return on their investment.

I don't mean to sound condescending (and when I say that I really do mean that I don't want to sound condescending) but I am not sure that you completely understand the dynamics that are at play here.  


[ Parent ]
I'm not sure you understood my point (0.00 / 0)
There is basically no difference between nationalizing and indicating that you will nationalize.  AS you yourself say:
And?  Seriously. And what?  Citibank shares go to $0 tomorrow.  And what?  The government steps in.  Takes over.  Continues to run the business.  Banking goes on.  Only equity holders get wiped out.  So what?

In an earlier post you said:

What I am also looking for -- and not getting -- is a firm commitment (not a hope or an effort or a prayer) that bank's shareholders will be the first to get fucked and the taxpayers will be the last.

If you got your firm commitment,equity holders would likely attempt to abandon certain banks forcing the government to step in immediately.  In other words the government either needs to step in immediately or leave their intentions ambiguous.


[ Parent ]
"There are no real stress tests going on" (2.00 / 2)
See this great post quoting William Black of S&L fame at Yves' place.

An alternative not yet mentioned is that fraud on a massive, Enron-multiplied scale took place, and Geithner and his gang either don't want to admit to it, or hope to kick the can down the road and get away clean.

Note that given the personnel available, and the likelihood that many of the records are missing, it wouldn't be possible to do stress testing anyhow. And that's assuming that there is no fraud, where you need to think forensically an adversarily, an assumption that Black specifically rules out. So, from the get go, the whole notion of the "stress test" is bogus. If there really is a secret plan, you'd think these guys would at least be able to come up with a plausible cover story.

See also this gruesome article at WaPo about as-yet unfilled positions at Treasury, where you'd think they'd want to hit the ground running.

Whatever's going on, it seems to have very little to do with holding the banks accountable. The deployment of human resources tells the story.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


Bias confirmation (4.00 / 2)
Lambert, as long as you refuse to entertain the notion that the Obama administration is doing anything other than screwing up royal in any given situation, the only theories that will ever make sense to you are the one's that explain events in terms of a massive Obama administration screw-up.  

[ Parent ]
Shorter cap'n brown (0.00 / 1)
La la la I can't hear you!

Go read Vyves and Black and come up with a better theory on why the stress tests are bogus. Knock yourself out!

Me, I'm working on the simple theory that it's hard to get the job done when you don't hire the people to do it -- and even harder when the job can't be done in the first place.  

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


[ Parent ]
this basically demonstrates the point: (0.00 / 0)
Go read Vyves and Black and come up with a better theory on why the stress tests are bogus. Knock yourself out!

is there a typo in here?  if not, it seems that you are foreclosing the possibility that the stress tests are not, in fact, "bogus."  


[ Parent ]
SImple answers to simple questions (0.00 / 1)
No.

Next question?

No possibility is "foreclosed" by me.

The ones who foreclose are the people who won't engage with links, evidence, or reasoning. But then, that would be work.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


[ Parent ]
Shorter Black & Yves (0.00 / 0)
We are the smartest men on earth and we don't understand how the stress tests will work so it is all a pack of lies!  I can't believe you tricked me into wading through that incoherent garbage.

[ Parent ]
Yves incoherent? Wow (0.00 / 0)
She comes highly recommended.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

[ Parent ]
The fact that Paul Krugman (0.00 / 0)
Links to somebody who's bashing Obama doesn't prove they are a credible source. I remember the first time I saw your blog it was because I clicked on a Krugman link.  Reading that Yves post reminded me of listenting to the Art Bell show when he'd have some astrophysicist on explaining why the moonlanding was clearly faked.    

[ Parent ]
The stress test problem is that assets aren't marked to market (4.00 / 1)
The capitalization requirement is meaningless if the listed assets have phony values.  Under law, the FDIC should seize the insolvent banks and separate the toxic assets.  The Treasury and Federal Reserve should not even be involved in the process.

In an interview with Financial Week, Bob Eisenbeis, a former research director of the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, said the FDICIA [Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation Improvement Act of 1991] contains more than enough tools for regulators to help stem the current financial crisis.  If regulators had applied FDICIA's provisions once the solvency of major banks was first called into question, Mr. Eisenbeis said, many would already have been taken over by Uncle Sam.  That would mean that their good assets would have been separated from their bad and sold off to healthy institutions or other investors.

The Treasury's Financial Stability Plan does call for all banks with at least $100 billion in assets to undergo a stress test to determine whether they have enough capital. The New York Times on Thursday reported that regulators have begun applying those tests, and are assuming a worse-case scenario to evaluate whether the banks' common equity was equal to less that 3% of their assets.

Without government help, Mr. Eisenbeis doubts many of the banks in question could meet any of FDICIA's capital adequacy tests. "I don't think they could pass even a modest shock," he said.  Indeed, he said the Treasury's approach suggests regulators have forgotten that the earlier law is in place, since the capital injections the department has provided since the Troubled Asset Relief Program was authorized by Congress last October reflect what Mr. Eisenbeis calls "regulatory forbearance."... He said both the stress test and the plan to relieve banks of their toxic assets would only mask their losses-that is, if the banks aren't required to value the assets on a mark-to-market basis.



You seem to be right chris (0.00 / 0)
Much to the disdain of Puma's infesting this place. Just out. In bold is the reference to the stress test in Geithner plan.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2ad3...


Mr Obama last weekend made clear he was leaning more towards the Swedish model than to the piecemeal approach taken in Japan, which many would argue is the direction US public policy appears to be heading.

"They [the Japanese] sort of papered things over," Mr Obama said. "They never really bit the bullet?.?.?.?and so you never got credit flowing the way it should have, and the bad assets in their system just corroded the economy for a long period of time."

Administration officials acknowledge that the rescue plan unveiled by Tim Geithner, Treasury secretary, last week could result in the temporary nationalisation of some weak banks.

The plan sets out a framework for revealing the extent of the likely credit losses facing banks. Most private sector analysts believe the exercise will reveal that some banks have large capital shortfalls.



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