Open Season on Ron Kind!

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Mar 06, 2009 at 18:00

( - promoted by Daniel De Groot)

Yesterday, 24 Democrats voted against the Helping Families Save Their Homes Act, even after the bill was changed at the behest of a coalition of New Democrats and Blue Dogs. Here is a list of these twenty-four Democrats, along with their three votes on TARP. This way, we can see which Democrats want to give money to Wall Street, but don't want to give money to homeowners: The votes are here:

1--Bailout #1, September 29th
2--Bailout #2, October 30th
3--Bailout #3, January 28th

In every case, a "Y" refers to the vote that gave money to Wall Street, and a "N" refers to a vote against giving Wall Street money. ("A" refers to not voting.)

Totally for Wall Street, no for Homeonwers
Rick Boucher: Y, Y, A
Chet Edwards: Y, Y, Y
Bart Gordon: Y, Y, Y

Partially for Wall Street, no for Homeowners
Mike Arcuri: Y, Y, N (Obama 51% in NY-24)
Marion Berry: Y, Y, N
Dan Boren: Y, Y, N
Brad Ellsworth: Y, Y, N (Obama 47% in IN-08)
Ron Kind: Y, Y, N (Obama 58% in WI-03)

Bobby Bright: N
Chris Carney: N, N, N
Travis Childers: N, N, N
Kathy Dahlkemper: N
Lincoln Davis: N, N, N
Parker Griffith: N
Baron Hill: N, N, N
Tim Holden: N, N, N
Larry Kissell: N
Frank Kratovil: N
Betsy Markey N
Eric Massa: N (what the fuck Massa?)
Jim Matheson: N, N, N
Bart Stupak: N, N, N
Gene Taylor: N, N, N
Harry Teague N

Given that they represent blue districts, if either Ron Kind or Mike Arcuri was to vote against President Obama's budget, it should be open season on both of them in their 2010 primaries. To vote to hand hundreds of billions over to Wall Street, but then to oppose even a New Democrat approved housing bill and oppose President Obama's budget--at that point, you simply don't deserve to be a Democratic nominee for Congress anymore.

Ron Kind in particular needs to go, as he was a pro-FISA rewrite, pro-Iraq blank check Bush Dog on top of all this. As such, I don't even really care how Ron Kind votes on the budget--he has crossed the line way too many times for an Obama 58% district. Let's get a primary challenger on him now. Even with Wisconsin's open primary laws, that is an exceptionally winnable primary campaign.

Chris Bowers :: Open Season on Ron Kind!

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Massa (4.00 / 2)
"I campaigned on a platform of standing as an independent voice and voting in the interests of my constituents, not a political party. Today I did just that because I didn't think the Housing bill delivered a proportionally fair amount of relief to the families of my district," said Congressman Massa moments after the vote. "With this in mind, I could not rationalize further deficit spending in the face of minimal assistance to the working families in our district. While there are a number of things that I did like in this bill, the projections in it demonstrated that it was largely targeted to States like California, Nevada and Florida where the housing crisis has hit the hardest, not Western New York. I support helping families refinance their adjustable rate mortgages to stay in their homes, but compared to many other states, Western New Yorkers would not benefit enough to warrant my vote."

Never understood this (4.00 / 1)

  How does voting to throw money at the banking industry, and withholding it from troubled homeowners, gain one favor with conservative voters?

  I have no conservative acquaintance who's said "Hurray! More taxpayer money for Wall Street!".  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn

Bailing out (4.00 / 1)
hardworking people who lost their fortunes vs. lazy idiots who bought homes they couldn't afford.

You think Santelli is the only one who thinks that way? Hell, I live in New York City and I know like 10 DEMOCRATS who think that way.

It's disgusting, but it's out there.

More than that, most people don't want either Wall Street or homeowners bailed out.  

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I have to fight that attitude (0.00 / 0)
My wife and I made good financial decisions in our life. We did not succumb to greed and we live according to our means. We carry no debt other than our mortgage, by which we have significant equity. We pay our credit card debit in full every month.

We are hard-working people who have not lost our fortune - as long as no one looks at our retirement investments.

To add salt to all of your traditional wounds, one of my favorite books is "Atlas Shrugged", so most of you so-called "leftists" would sooner spit on me than let me buy you a beer.

Yet, despite a complete disbelief in altruism and no illusion that other humans gives a shit about my existence, I still have faith in mother fuckers like you.

Go figure.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."

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someone from WI tell me (4.00 / 3)
if there is anyone credible who will take on this uphill battle. It won't be easy, but I'm in for $50 if we get a good candidate to oppose this jackass.

Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.

I like how you are tracking the votes... (4.00 / 3)
...on these so-called Democrats.  It would also be helpful to track so-called Democrats on Trade Agreement votes, these votes have even been more devastating to this country and to the middle class.  Let's get rid of them.


Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me-and I welcome their hatred. - FDR

Not sure you want to mention FISA rewrite (0.00 / 0)
Just sayin.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

I'm echoing this at Prairie State Blue. (4.00 / 1)
H R 1106      YEA-AND-NAY      5-Mar-2009      6:17 PM
QUESTION:  On Passage
BILL TITLE: Helping Families Save Their Homes Act of 2009
Link to Full Vote - Helping Families Save Their Homes Act of 2009  
Democrats - Yes Vote No Vote Not Voting (Present)
1RushStupakDriehaus  1ViscloskyWalzClay
2JacksonHoekstraSchmidt  2DonnellyKline Akin
3LipinskiEhlersTurner 3SouderPaulsen Carnahan
4GutierrezCampJordan  4BuyerMcCollum Skelton
5EmanuelKildeeLatta 5BurtonEllison Cleaver
6RoskamUptonWilson 6PenceBachmann Graves
7DavisSchauerAustria  7CarsonPetersonBlunt
8BeanRogersBoehner 8EllsworthOberstarEmerson
9SchakowskyPetersKaptur  9Hill Luetkemeyer
10KirkMillerKucinich IowaWisconsinKentucky
11HalvorsonMcCotterFudge 1BraleyRyanWhitfield
12CostelloLevinTiberi 2LoebsackBaldwinGuthrie
13BiggertKilpatrickSutton  3BoswellKindYarmuth
14FosterConyersLaTourette 4LathamMooreDavis
15JohnsonDingellKilroy 5KingSensenbrennerRogers
16Manzullo Boccieri 6 PetriChandler
17Hare Ryan  7 Obey 
18Schock Space 8 Kagen 
19Shimkus   9   

Jeff Wegerson

Kind for Governor? (0.00 / 0)
At least that's the talk. Doyle not running for re-election and then Kind going against Lt. Gov. Barb Lawton in 2010 for governor.

The number you should link to... (0.00 / 0)
isn't that Obama got 51% of the vote in NY-24, but that Arcuri got 51% of the vote, too. Arcuri almost lost to a Republican nobody. It's a district that has been Republican for a long, long time.

If the best Democratic office holder in the district barely gets 51% in a Democratic wave year, I have no idea who you have in mind to run.

No, we should work to get Arcuri re-elected in 2010. In 2012, after redistricting by the Democratic state legislature, he'll have a better (more Democratic) district to work with that will probably include parts of Ithaca or Syracuse. If he doesn't vote more to our liking in the 112th and 113th, THEN we can primary him.

But primarying Mike Arcuri in 2010 is stupid. It would just give the seat to a Republican.  

He had a Primary opponent in '06 (4.00 / 1)
Probation Officer Chip DeNeure, running mostly on kind's support for the Iraq debacle. Deneure pulled 16%, slightly better than I did in the District running against Herb Kohl.

Chip outpolled me significantly in his (and Kind's) hometown of LaCrosse, I did better in most other Counties.

kind last faced a serious republican opponent in 2004, dispatching relatively moderate State Sen. Dale Schultz.

This is a Test of the Emergency Free Speech System. This is only a Test. In an actual Free Speech Emergency, I'll be locked up.


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