Still Struggling To Connect the Inside and Outside

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 15:01


Since the end of the 2006 elections, I have experienced a decided increase in emails and telephone calls from distressed, or even angry, staff members of Democratic and progressive organizations / campaigns calling to complain to me about a blog post of mine. These contacts have come from a wide variety of campaigns and groups within the progressive ecosystem, and invariably the complaint is the same: you should have talked with us / me before publishing that article. Mind you, I have pretty much always received these complaints since I start full-time blogging more than three years ago, but over the past six months I have been surprised by their frequency.

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Chris Bowers :: Still Struggling To Connect the Inside and Outside
Now, I understand why I am receiving these calls and emails. While I am never openly hostile, (or, at least I don’t think I am openly hostile) it must be incredibly frustrating to see something negative written about the progress or operation of your campaign / organization by a fellow progressive, especially when it seems like you do not have a chance to respond to the criticisms. The progressive blogosphere is populated mainly by activists and news junkies who also tend to be members of progressive organizations, not to mention volunteers / donors to Democratic campaigns. As such, there are potentially negative consequence for your progressive campaign / organization if a negative message about the progress or effectiveness or operation is spread across the progressive blogosphere. If your potential activist and donor pool develops a more negative opinion of your campaign or organization, that obviously is not a positive development for your campaign or organization. Further, when one considers that it is established media protocol to give campaigns or organizations a chance to comment on any story in which they are featured, that blogosphere-based criticisms of progressive campaigns and organizations often come from people outside of the organization in question, and that there is a general sense that the progressive blogosphere is “on the same side” of the organization in question, blog posts with a critical slant on any campaign or organization probably seem both unfair and unhelpful.

However, that is not the only side to the story. From the perspective of a blogger, especially an independent blogger such as myself with no official ties to established progressive institutions, it takes a long time to receive a response from any campaign you are writing about. Simply put, like most other bloggers, I am pretty low on the list of priorities for large campaigns and organizations. Whenever I have put in media queries to campaigns or organizations, responses typically take at least 24 hours, and sometimes up to a week or more. Given that most good blog posts take at least two hours to write, that full-time bloggers really should be producing about 10,000 – 15,000 words a week in order to stay relevant to their readers, and that full-time bloggers are basically running small business that generate little income, the length of time required to receive a response, not to mention the amount of work required to generated a response, is virtually untenable. In fact, it often seems as though a more timely response is produced if we publish the critical article first, thus creating a more pressing need for the campaign or organization to provide a response than they otherwise would to an independent outlet that is low in the both media and progressive food chain. Further, most of the time when we do receive a response, it is not in the tone of voice that blog readers have come to expect. Responses tend toward cautious and indirect, often reading more like press releases then the raw, authentic, unfiltered and honest discourse common to this medium. So, not only does it take a long time to receive a response, not only does posting the critical article without asking for a comment beforehand seem to produce results with greater alacrity, but often the responses we do receive are unsatisfying.

And so, we arrive at an impasse. The problem basically seems to be that the two groups involved, independent progressive media / activists on the one hand, and institutional progressive organizations / campaigns on the other, communicate in different, and perhaps incompatible, ways. It isn’t helpful to me to spend days waiting around for milquetoast answers to my questions, just as it isn’t helpful to them to not have a chance to respond to criticisms that will potentially be read by significant segments of their potential activist base. However, established progressive institutions can not simply adopt a raw, unfiltered, rapid response tone of voice to talk to the blogosphere as long as other, more widely read media still operates in a “gotcha” mentality. At the same time, the progressive blogosphere cannot simply become a replication of staid, established media, because then we would serve no purpose whatsoever. Why would anyone read a blog that is simply trying to replicate what the New York Times already offers? We need to be honest in our thoughts, we need to maintain independence, and we need to publish quickly despite our lack of institutional support.

If someone can figure out a way for the progressive blogosphere and established progressive institutions to better communicate with each other, I would like to hear it. To date, apart from publications like Think Progress, I have seen virtually no effective examples. However, a blog like Think Progress does not come cheap, and probably costs at least $150,000 a year to produce. That is the sort of money that very few independent bloggers have to spend, and which very few established progressive institutions are wiling to invest in order to make a regular connection with the progressive blogosphere. Here at Open Left, we are experimenting with a Right To Respond feature that we hoped would help solve the problem, but thus far has still clearly caused tension. Personally, I worry that there might not be a solution, unless the progressive blogosphere finds a more sustainable revenue model that allows us to engage in media operations that follow traditional protocols while still producing fresh, unfiltered content at a rapid pace. Further, any solution will probably also require more established institutions start spending even more resources to build regular, meaningful connections with the progressive blogosphere. The fact is, that for all of the positive contributions pretty much everyone in the progressive ecosystem recognizes the progressive blogosphere has made to the progressive cause, there is a general perception that we should simply slot ourselves into the low-end of established relationship and power hierarchies. We should cheerlead from the outside, and take orders from above. Maybe that sounds like whining, and maybe it is just whining, but when I am told I am not being helpful to the cause while simultaneously struggling to find ways to pay for health insurance, it just doesn’t feel all that fair, open or progressive to me. I want to find better ways to connect, but it simply won’t happen if, in order to avoid their wrath, I have to wait for the approval of larger progressive institutions before I publish anything online.

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Right to Repsond.... (0.00 / 0)
....seems like a great idea. It recently worked well at MyDD with Third Way, and ended up being an ongoing conversation for a while.

The campaigns (or whoever responds) will just have to deal with the fact that bland, formulaic responses will not be embraced by the blogosphere. They may barley be read at all. If they value this community as much as you say, I would hope they find creative ways to talk to us, not at us, while at the same time defending against the gotcha MSM. I've seen it done countless times at MyDD and other blogs, so I know it's possible.

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra


I agree, but (0.00 / 0)
I think some of the onus, at least, is one us to find creative ways of talking with them as well. If we can find new ways of engaging, that will help bridge the divide too. Perhaps Right to Respond isn't that path, perhaps it is, perhaps it is only part of the solution. I just don't want to imply that everything rests on their shoulders.

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Isn't tone as much a factor in this? (0.00 / 0)
Perhaps people are reacting as much to the aggressive tone that is the norm for online dialog as to the criticism.

This isn't directed towards you, or anyone else specifically, but I do tire of the war all the time spinning headlight nature that seems to dominate a lot of online dialog.

It is rare that I get the feeling reading something online that the writer respects the thing or person that they are being critical about.


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I think you are right (0.00 / 0)
It is a common tone online, and one that is difficult to avoid being grouped into yourself simply because it is so widespread. But I guess that is part of the game, and it is just as difficult for establishment types to avoid seeming like they have thin skins, or that they don't turn their noses up when it comes to communicating with the likes of us. In both cases, there are established cultural norms that are difficult to break through.

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Absolutely! (4.00 / 1)
That ever-so-popular Johnny One Note peevish tone (as seen in most DKos front page pieces - to name but the market leader) must drive away a lot more casual readers than it juices the True Believers.

True Believers aside, readers have either already bought the product (in which case the relentless hard sell can only make them change their minds) or they're window shopping (which probably means that they're sick of the GOP equivalent).


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Should you be seeking comment? (4.00 / 4)
The other question being:  should you be seeking prior comment, from campaigns in particular?  Your perspective is that of an experienced, informed, intelligent activist - not a party insider.  IMHO your analysis is more valuable if it is based on what you have been able to observe and collect without being spun by the "official" sources. 

That is actually a valuable service for the campaigns too as it allows them to get feedback on how they are doing outside their own message-saturated echo chamber.  If they want to try to add to the conversation, great, but they should not be pre-inhibiting critical analysis.  That way lies Kleinism (of the Joe variety, not the Ezra).

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No, don't seek comment (0.00 / 0)
That is what you do if it is going to be preserved in dead tree form forever. Put it up and start a conversation and realize anyone who whines is a fool.

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To be honest (4.00 / 1)
It never occurred to me that I should seek comment before posting, until a few people asked me to do so. Part of the reason is that early in my blogging days, I never expected anyone would actually comment. Even as time has gone on, sometimes it is difficult for me to remember that I am not just a random guy posting thoughts online anymore, and that at least some people actually read what I write.

I guess what I am saying is that it might not always be the best to think of myself as an entirely independent actor. I am a public figure, and perhaps I should take that into account in my actions. Or maybe I should just not worry about it, like you say. I am honestly not sure. I know that by this point I should have more clearly defined ideas on this topic that it seems I do, but I guess the "rules" remain unclear. I like the idea of starting conversations, and giving others a chance to participate after the fact, but I also know that not every organization can do so. They just are not as free with language as I can be.

Wow--really rambling. I'll think about this more and come back...

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Sounds like EMILYs list responded in a bad way (0.00 / 0)
You write a post attacking EMILYs list with a specious statistical argument, and then ask them to respond as if you were interested in honest debate? I'm not sure what else you were expecting.

You have and claim to want to build a public platform supporting progressives. Given that goal you have a responsibility to do your homework and report accurately and fairly, regardless of your personal circumstances.


RE: EMILY's (4.00 / 1)
"You write a post attacking EMILYs list with a specious statistical argument"

Yes, I haven't read anything but hearsay regarding problems with EMILY's campaigning style. However, their response came across like a form-letter, which basically said nothing except "We are great!"

I agree with sphealey's post "Should you be seeking comment?" As a blogger (or journalist, or whatever you are called), do your research, form your OPINION, and write about it.

I like the idea of giving a chance for responses. I expect that many responses will be substance-free spins, but those posts will be rightfully skewered in the discussion that follows. Occasionally, our eyes might be opened, which is the reason for allowing responses, and reason enough to continue with the practice.


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Come on, they aren't doing a good job (0.00 / 0)
that's the long and the short of it.

What's wrong with saying "You are failing. Say something to defend yourself"?

I guess it depends on how badly you think the progressive establishment has failed.


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I don't think it was specious (0.00 / 0)
I wouldn't have raised it unless I thought it was well-founded. It was a worry that multiple people had expressed to me at different times.


I admit that it appears it could have been done in a manner that was more open to fostering public discussion with EMILY's List, but believe me it would have taken a very long time to get a response otherwise. The concerns that I heard about them deserve space too, and they were not voiced by a few random peons.


I had hoped that by providing front-page response space, it would be an adequate way to foster discussion. Clearly, more thought needs to go into figuring out how to do that.

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Some suggestions (0.00 / 0)
The concern is not specious, the disparity between the success of male and female Democratic challengers in 2006 is notable and deserves examination. The statistical argument was specious, especially given that the disparity adequately makes the case, arguments about the exact odds of something happening are better left to odds-makers.

Democratic institutions can be very sensitive to criticism, particularly from someone with a platform like yours. A post pointing out the issue less contentiously and with a little more context still would have caught their attention and might have drawn a more informative response. Although, as you point out in this post, doing the homework to make a coherent argument takes a lot of time. Hesla's response indicates that EMILY's list has been doing the homework but has not found an adequate explanation yet.

One other possibility is that your goal was to air concerns about EMILY's list, rather than to understand the disparate performance of Democratic challengers in 2006. In that case you would have been more honest had you raised those concerns directly rather than slip them into a "Democratic Women Did So Poorly in 2006, it's EMILY's list's fault" polemic.


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Let 'em comment like everyone else. (4.00 / 1)
Or post a diary. Or add a response in an "Update." Or maybe you can add "Response added" to a headline and paste in the response when the organization in question deigns to get back to you.

People interested in a post will spend time reading the comments and people interested in what individuals or organizations have to say will subscribe to their diaries.


That is what I had hoped for (0.00 / 0)
But after more thought, I think that does require them to keep playing  entirely by "our" rules. Maybe there are ways to find grounds for conversation more suitable to both of us. Or maybe you are right...

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if they have no game online (4.00 / 1)
Then responding to bloggers is the least of their worries.

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You're being very generous. (0.00 / 0)
And I admire that.

At the same time, your point is compelling: They don't get beck to you with a response the way they would to a major newspaper, yet they want you to ask for one before publication. When they start prioritizing you the way they prioritize the New York Times, then you can start acting like the New York Times.

Then there is the issue of commentary vs news. I'm not sure they have a right to pre-publication comment on an opinion piece.

Then there is the fact that chasing down a comment is time you aren't spending on additional bloggery. As a selfish reader, I don't want you spending your time on chasing them down.

Perhaps you could write a memo on how the blog works and send it to the organizations in question. Or, in an email asking for a response, set a time limit. Maybe it's an issue of making sure they know what the ground rules are. They can choose to either adjust or not adjust.


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Revenue (0.00 / 0)
Blogging may not be the primary revenue source. Advertising revenue and revenue from book sales are more likely to succeed. It also makes sense to hookup with the progressive popular culture at some point (music, video, film, interviews) and to make that part of your story.

You'll need a strong daily readership to drive revenue. Some of the blogs that really capture the reader's attention do these sorts of things already. Those types of blogs include HuffPo, FDL, Greenwald, Digby and TPM.

Just some suggestions.


well, I can tell you. . . (4.00 / 2)
At FDL, we're  red ink operation working on sustainability.  Right now, we operate on reader donations and Jane's largesse to cover the rest.

But that's not what I came by to say.  heh.

The fundamental cultural divide that Chris is trying to articulate, I think, is between one system that functions with the imperative "thou shalt control the message" and another that operates under the imperative "thou shalt oppose control by closed circles of elites."

It's a tough nut to crack, but the common ground, potentially, is lies in fact in progressive ideology.  However, these two approaches, involving who gets to be heard and how, and in what contexts, are themselves reflective of perhaps unexamined ideological variances.

And there's the rub.  The funding issue, while important, is not quite on point, except inasmuch as, for these groups, controlling the message is necessary for their business model, or has been to date.  Those of us in bloggyland don't even have sustainable business models, at least, not yet.

I would argue, though, that their business models must change to reflect the times and the growing impossibility of trying to control the message through unilateral action as has virtually been the case to date.  But that cultural evolution will be very difficult for those who have come of age and risen under the old model, I'm guessing.

Still, it has to happen for the best of these groups to continue to do what they really can do, things the rest of us can't do.


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Messaging costs money (0.00 / 0)
I don't think our points are as far off as they might seem. What I was trying to say is that the languages and channels we each communicate cost money and resources in order to speak and use them properly. Given the institutional inertia on both ends, that isn't something that can happen without at least some real investment. No one learns how to do thing sour way--or their way--overnight. 

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Let them eat blog (4.00 / 6)
By calling you up and acknowledging that your post is important enough to warrant an off line gripe session, campaigns and organizations are simultaneously validating your work and displaying a lack of aptitude in engaging with the medium. 

Their opportunity to be heard is wide open.  Comment threads and the right to respond are powerful tools that are available to everyone. 

What (good) candidate complains to the moderator in a debate when they are allowed a rebuttal?  When your criticism is out in the open, their work becomes even easier, and it is ultimately up to us to decide based on the merits.  If campaigns and organizations don't have the patience or wherewithal to utilize this medium the way it is intended, bulldoze them.


If you make a decision not to post until contacted, (0.00 / 0)
you probably would never post anything in a relevant amount of time.  I do like the idea of some sort of feedback beyond comments, but that's probably an editorial decision.

Trust no organization bigger than two, and even those are suspect.

I may be (0.00 / 0)
preaching to the choir here, but it seems hypocritical for campaigns to behave like that.  On the one had, they see the blogosphere as relatively unimportant (or else they would promptly respond to media requests), while simultaneously acting like negative posts about their candidate are damaging because of the important role the blogosphere has in connecting with activists.

It seems to me that a good campaign would have one group of advisers working to coordinate activist/blogosphere communication and outreach (and they would provide prompt, substantive responses to media requests), while another group of advisers works to coordinate communication with the more passive voting public. 

But Chris' question, I think, is about what the netroots can do to further the dialog.  The Right to Respond idea is great, but along with that, it could be helpful to provide campaigns with information about what this community would find helpful in a response.  We aren't happy with vague statements of purpose and optimism (e.g., "we're firmly committed to X"), but prefer specifics about what's being done, the justification for those choices, and long-term strategy.  Obviously, that idea would need work, but I think that telling campaigns the kind of content we would like to see, and the kind of content that is most likely to be effective in furthering their goals, would be a good step toward creating a good forum in which activists and campaigns can communication.


Edit (0.00 / 0)
...can communicate.  Jeez...

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the good ones do play online (0.00 / 0)
The ones that whine are the ones that deserve exposure as having no game.

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It's the same mindset (4.00 / 1)
that allows TV to claim violence and promoting torture (as in "24") have no effect on viewers at the same time they charge advertisers millions for a 15-second spot because of its great influence on viewers. And, in a way, it comes from the same source.

I work in public relations and am a member of the Public Relations Society of America. Almost all of these organizations and campaigns have PR staff or consultants that they rely on to handle media relations. These folks have dealt with MSM forever and there is a tried-and-true formula for coping with them.

Blogs, however, are the brave new world. Campaigns/organizations know blogs make a difference, and they are worried. Therefore their PR consultants know the have to learn about and work with bloggers.

So how do they figure it out? The same way they always have -- they turn to their professional organizaiton for help. And PRSA (and others) at the local, regional, and national level try to meet that need. In the past 3 or so years I have been to countless seminars, webinars, and conference presentations on blogs and blogging to teach PR professionals how to relate to bloggers.

Why isn't that helping? Because EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM featured "bloggers" from MSM sites. The worst (national) just had material posted to moderated-comment sites that they never even read. Most of the rest were far right wing "journalists" who also blog on newspaper sites. They have no understanding of the progressive online community and actively represent their organization's model as the way "every legitimate blog" works.

That probably works fine for Republican campaigns or those famous astroturf "non-profits," but it doesn't play very well in bloggyland. Last month I was at another one of these and people in the audience were asking good questions and getting crappy answers. Finally, I said to the presenter, "You may not realize the kind of data that we need to make decisions. Can you tell us where to get audience/readership information for blogs?" And he told me/us that no one knows -- that information isn't available. I asked him, "what about Comscore or Nielsens or even BlogAds or SiteMeter or Technorati's data?" He had no idea what I was talking about, but after the meeting several of people asked me about them.

Another person asked how to approach bloggers and was told it is just like a newspaper reporter: send them a news release and they will print it. A TV reporter on the panel said she didn't think that was true. He replied that for local bloggers, we could try to develop a relationship -- take the blogger out to a good restaurant, get them tickets to a sports event, but at the national level, the staff is going to filter everything. When an audience member said, "What staff? I thought bloggers were individual writers" we were assured that any blog "worth our time" was actually a big organization and the blogger was just the "face."

So part of the dichotomy Chris is experiencing comes from dealing with progressive campaign/organization members who do know him or his blog, but who have media relations managers who are clueless. He sends requests for input, which are funneled to the media relations people and ignored. Then he posts an article and the campaign people, who actually read his post, freak out.


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The thing is... (4.00 / 3)
established institutions have so much to lose. That means that, even with a right to respond, they aren't going to say anything satisfying. I mean, working for a non-profit is a pretty cushy job with very little oversight. It follows that these organizations wouldn't want to acknowledge their dirty laundry.

My personal experience in a liberal non-profit may have been the exception, but it left me feeling bitter and disenfranchised. I found that the head of my organization and the board members who are supposed to provide 'oversight' were emotionally/socially attached to one another in a creepy/incestuous manner that made real accountability impossible. Let me give you a snapshot.

I worked for a non-profit advocacy group with a budget of at least $500,000/year. I'm going to refrain from naming the organization because I'm obviously a disgruntled former employee. Anyhow, I was hired out of college for a paid internship at this organization, and as soon as I started working there, I could tell something was rotten in Denmark. Prior to starting employment, I attended a training session and met my future co-workers, most of whom were 2-3 years older than me. At a dinner (with drinks, on the organization's tab) they warned me that the boss was emotionally unstable. Specifically, my boss, the executive director, was prone to breaking down and crying, and was apparently on several different anti-depressants.

This was common knowledge. All of the board members knew this and did nothing about it. I don't mean to say that because someone is medicated that they can't do a job. I mean that this particular person was not a functional human being -- not someone that should ever be in a leadership position. If the board members wanted the organization to be effective, they would clearly have terminated this person. But they were all a part of the same social circle, had emotional ties to one another, and didn't want to stir things up. This is a 501C3 non-profit, funded by grants and member's donations. They were wasting a lot of money.

Once I began working there, things became clearer. The day to day operations of the organization were run by a 25 year old making $30,000/year. The boss would 'work from home' at least once or twice a week. During my second week on the job, the boss laid down on a couch an took an hour nap during working hours. There was no leadership, and the bulk of the accomplishments at the organization occurred without the boss's knowledge due to his/her indecisiveness and propensity to give contradictory orders. A simple website re-tooling took a full time staffer over 4 months because the boss would not approve a finalized version. Decisions were made on a whim without any reasonable deliberation.

Again, this was universally known, by staffers and board members alike. Obviously, the people that worked there didn't say/do anything about it, because they had a reasonably easy job with no legitimate oversight. The board members, who really should have done something, were too socially intertwined. And so this non-profit organization has been paying $60,000/year plus benefits (for 15+ years now) to an 'executive director' who can not lead, and makes the employees less productive.

What a mind fuck!

For anyone that actually cares about making social change, this can be incredibly disheartening.

I don't know if this kind of culture is very widespread, or if it's only ingrained in a few organizations. I have a gut feeling that it's a lot more prevalent than many would care to admit. I think that it has to do with a natural sympathy that most liberals (myself included) have, which makes it difficult for them to clear out the dead wood from an organization.

My point is, why on earth would my former employers what to have an honest conversation about that? Why would they want to acknowledge it at all?

So, the whole 'right of reply' may not bear as much fruit as hoped.


In my non-political life. . . (2.00 / 2)
I do a lot of organizational consulting.  My expertise is, shall we say, established and recognized.

What you describe is not at all uncommon and by no means limited to political non-profits or associations.

This is especially true in organizations run by a charismatic founder of notable reputation.  Such people tend to exercise unusually high levels of control over their organizations, with no real oversight or accountability to their hand picked boards of close friends.  When I was just out of college, one such situation led to great scandal in an organization for which I worked:  Covenant House.

That Bruce Ritter situation was particularly egregious, and I'm not suggesting anything of the kind is going on in ay of our more well known political c3's and c4's, but I mention it to illustrate, in a more extreme form, the dangers of the very situation you describe, a situation that is, as I have said, not at all uncommon.


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deadlines (4.00 / 1)
If you're willing to move to a 24 per post cycle, you could just email them the post with the words:

"I am posting this at (time) on (date).  If your org would like a response attached, send it and I will do so, unedited"

Put the onus on them to respond faster.  They are obviously able to ramp up once something is posted, so showing them exactly what you're planning to say might do the trick better than merely asking questions without a sense of what you might say about something.

Quite honestly though, this is the left, and I am proud of the disputes, bickering and disunity.  I'm tired of holding ourselves up to the right and feeling inadequate because we can't get that lockstep thing they do down pat.  good.  If we ever did, I'd be worried. 

We disagree and fight because we are in this for sincere reasons we say we are, not out of the twisted psychological need to dominate or whatever it is that drives right wingers these days. 


there is no need for this (0.00 / 0)
That's what print does because it is out there forever, but a blog post begins a conversation, it is not a final ends.

Watering stuff down is a recipe for disaster, there is no reason to read the site anymore.


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As a local blogger (4.00 / 2)
I don't like to give people a heads up before I post unless of course it's an interview. I am too close to insiders and don't want to risk them dulling my edge.

After a few 2AM emails begging "oh please don't run this yet... we're about to be a press release on the subject" only to get scooped by the local print I'm done giving anyone a heads up.

I like the pow of a well worked out post springing out of nowhere. Nobody but my wife should see it coming. I love waking up in the morning and feeling across the ether sleepy eyed people huddled over their monitors silently cursing me.

Everyone has an open door to respond unedited, and the dialogs can be very interesting given their added edge of urgency.

(This is a really great feature of this site, especially since your dealing with more than the haggard campaign managers of local politicking.)


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exactly 1 hour heads-up (0.00 / 0)
Perhaps you could email a copy of the article to the group in question exactly one hour before it posts?  This is about enough time for the right people in a group to just hear about the article (and perhaps even read it) before it makes it to the front page.

It's a compromise: at least they get a little bit of warning, and it won't affect your posting cycle too much, either.  And if you do get a response in less than an hour, it's possible it would be a "from the gut" response, with perhaps some factual reason why you're wrong and shouldn't post.

Just a thought...


end the occupation of Iraq


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Relax its a Work in progress (0.00 / 0)
The internet is basically 15 years old, blogs aren't even 5 years old yet.  The rules of the net, "netiquette" are still being written.  IN the meantime, Campaigns and established organizations and old institutions need to be aware of this and constructive in their criticism.  Be a part of the solution, not just pissed off and go around calling bloggers left wing Rush Limbaughs.  Bloggers in the mean time need to stop always claiming the "I'm a blogger, so Im special" defense.  Bloggers can and do cross the line and when they do they should be called out on it.  I'm a bit more optimistic though than Chris.  I honestly think a few years from now we'll have the "rules of the game" all worked out. 

If the whine, they don't get the modern media environment (0.00 / 0)
This is a whine that attempts to force "he said/she said" instead of the truth. What you should do is point out the name of the staffer and their boss on a Wall of Stupidity every time it happens.

A blogger calling for a comment? Get real and realize that if there is a problem feel free to use the comments.


May I suggest a stock reply... (0.00 / 0)
...responding to such complaint emails/phone calls:

"I conduct all discussions regarding the merit (or lack thereof) of my posts online at (link to post a comment on TPM). The TPM community welcomes your feedback, corrections, or contributions to our continuing conversation."


Oops (0.00 / 0)
Er, Open Left community. Sorry, Chris.

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One thing (0.00 / 0)
that I like to do is to try to personally engage with the people that I am writing about before I do so. I don't tell them what I'm writing, but I do try to make sure that they see me as a real person and not just as ASCII. It also gives me a much better perspective on where they are coming from instead of only seeing them through the media looking glass.

This is one of the benefits of focusing on local subjects.


My two cents (0.00 / 0)
Sometimes calling an organization or person up can be beneficial, especially if it cuts down on your research time in addition to getting a comment.  In my experience (which is admittedly limited to local blogging and women's groups) most people are actually very happy to have the exposure, even if they don't agree with the angle you plan to take.  They can also be helpful.  Eventually you'll develop relationships with people, and can call them for information, updates on their progress, etc. 

That being said I don't always make the call.  Usually I just don't have the time. 

Full Disclosure: I am proud to work at ActBlue.


Searching for a New Model (4.00 / 1)
Great post, Chris. The interaction between traditional and emerging progressive organizations is obviously a challenge. I would suggest three approaches to bridge the communication gap:

1. Right to Respond. This is a great idea and you are to be commended for it. But if the following two things work, it will hopefully be needed less and less over time.

2. A Face-to-Face Workshop. You and several partners in the blogosphere should approach progressive funders with a cross-section of traditional progressive groups. The objective would be some well-designed workshops to help both groups to understand the other better and to develop a set of best practices to improve communications. And the next item would be a logical outgrowth of such an effort.

3. Web 2.0. I suspect that traditional progressive groups are expanding their capacity to interact with their supporters on their own Web sites. A logical expansion of those efforts would be for such groups to also devote some staff resources to regular participation directly on progressive blogs. If traditional progressive groups become part of the ongoing discussion, there is no need for you to make a special effort to seek comment on an issue of common concern.


A couple of times (0.00 / 0)
I have sat down over coffee with people who want to know what this blogging thing is, and how it works, and given them my take on it. It occurs to me that offering to do that, when campaigns or organizations call you up and seem at sea, might be quite helpful.

I mean: I'd imagine that confronting what are now a gazillion blogs, all unknown to you, as a total newbie would be pretty daunting. It would help a lot, if someone were interested, to have some sort of guide. And by cutting down the learning curve, you'd probably make it more likely that those people would actually end up reading blogs, and would have a better understanding of how to interact with us.

(I mean, we don't seem all that daunting to me, but then most groups I'm a part of don't.)


Several issues come together here ... (4.00 / 3)
Having spent the day trying to get comments from a variety of office holders and candidates for a follow-up post on Firedoglake, I feel your pain Chris! And I know that if I post without all those comments, I *will* hear about it.

Bloggers clearly face some hurdles that full-time journalists in conventional media do not. Many of us work regular and often demanding jobs at the same time we blog, we do not have staff researchers and multiple phone lines and all that. It's harder to put the time in getting reactions or comments when it's already hard to find the time to write and respond to readers. That's the financial piece but I think the issue of respect for blog coverage is more relevant.

Some practices of traditional journalism are good form. If you are writing what is solely an opinion piece, write away and let them respond if they chose in comments or letters or the nice new Right to Respond option. The fact that you, for example, think someone's campaign ad or  speech sucks requires no opportunity for them - in your post - to argue that they really are not sucky.

It's different if you are writing "news" or investigative pieces. If you are checking on the expenditures of a campaign or the hiring of a union busting operative or the like, it's only fair - and good practice to ask for a response or comment. That does not include sending over your post for editing but an email or call saying "hey, heard you hired Mr Union Buster. We're going to post about this - care to comment?" allows them to make their case, offer new data or correct any factual errors. That makes your post stronger. But that does not mean you need to wait forever - or not post - if they don't respond. Provide a reasonable deadline - "I'm working on a post that's going live tonight .. or tomorrow at noon - so please get me something by then" After that, it's their responsibility. If they do not take you seriously enough to answer in your timeframe (which is standard practice for similar requests from CM) then you have no responsibility to hold for them or to chase them. You've offered the courtesy of response - if they don't use it, too bad.

One factor that I find plays a lot into the whingeing calls is the fact that so many of us are - in some ways - colleagues in a progressive movement. We know people staffing campaigns or organizations - and they feel that we are allies rather than "reporters." They expect us not to practice gotcha journalism (which I agree with) but they also often expect us to be advocates for their candidate or cause - and I don't think that's the ideal role for bloggers. Being outside advocates for good policy and strong campaigns - supportive when earned, critical when not - is the basis of an effective grassroots media.


Document everything (0.00 / 0)
Well, Chris, suppose you do decide you're going to provide organizations with the chance to pre-respond to your blog entries.

In that case, I urge you to note the date/time/method of the contact you attempt. Make a note of your success/failure. Then include that in your blog post.

It will be there for all to see that you made some effort to get some information/viewpoint/defense/whatever from the folks about whom you've written. And they either said something or they didn't get back to you.

It's very powerful to be able to say, "Well, I asked XXX for comment but they didn't reply in YYY time. So you can read my thoughts and know that if XXX had thought it important, they could have responded. Maybe they'll use our Right to Respond if I've just pissed them off."

Just document your attempt. Put it right in the original post. The relevant organizations will either get trained to give you some info in response to your requests, or they'll push back after the fact. And your audience will know that the "you should have asked us!" defense is a bunch of hooey.

The good news about all this is that the conversations will happen, in any case. Given we all have the goal of a better progressive political environment, the conversations are a good thing.

Thanks for your good work.

Karl in Drexel Hill, PA

Karl in Drexel Hill, PA


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