Knock On Doors For More AIG Bonuses!

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 17:30


I have a question.

Should the federal government be using every available legal means to block or retrieve executive bonuses at financial service companies like AIG that are receiving bailout money?

Or...

Should the federal government be urging citizens to urge members of Congress to authorize even more public money for executive bonuses at financial services companies like AIG?

The reason I ask is because today President Obama is currently calling for both of these actions to take place, and it is confusing the hell out of me.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: Knock On Doors For More AIG Bonuses!
In what is a welcome move, at least when viewed in isolation, President Obama is gearing up his grassroots corps to urge Congress to pass the budget:

President Barack Obama will call on millions of supporters to knock on neighbors' doors this week to pressure Congress to pass his record $3.55 trillion budget, a Democratic official said on Monday.

Obama will ask people who volunteered for his presidential campaign to gather signatures from neighbors to support his budget, which proposes a $1.75 trillion deficit to lift the country out of recession and lay the groundwork for healthcare reform and other big initiatives.(...)

The 13 million people on Obama's campaign list will be asked to call their representatives in Congress to urge them to support the budget plan.

This is fantastic.  One of the more empowering aspects of President Obama's campaign was his promise to supporters that they would be needed in the legislative process once he was in office.  The budget is the biggest aspect of the legislative process, so there is no better time to tap into this support network.

In another welcome move, once again when viewed in isolation, President Obama is calling on Treasury Secretary Geithner to either block, or retrieve, the hundreds of millions in bonuses AIG executives have paid to themselves using taxpayer money:

I want to comment on the news about executive bonuses at AIG.

This is a corporation that finds itself in financial distress due to recklessness and greed.

Under these circumstances, it's hard to understand how derivative traders at AIG warranted any bonuses, much less $165 million in extra pay. How do they justify this outrage to the taxpayers who are keeping the company afloat?

In the last six months, AIG has received substantial sums from the US Treasury. I've asked Secretary Geithner to use that leverage and pursue every legal avenue to block these bonuses and make the American taxpayers whole.

Again, good in the abstract.  It is absolutely essential that the federal government use every available means to get back the bonuses.  These are the people who destroyed the economy, and they should not be funding their lavish lifestyles using public money.

However, even though mobilizing supporters to pass his budget and demanding money back from AIG look good in isolation, there is a serious cognitive dissonance problem when they are viewed side by side. Namely, President Obama's budget contains $250 billion "placeholder" in money to companies like AIG, which will undoubtedly continue to be used to pay financial services executives huge bonuses.

The Treasury secretary refused to rule out a request from the Obama administration for more bailout money, saying, "our hope is that Congress would come together and do what is necessary to make sure the financial system is strong enough."

Obama left a $250 billion "placeholder" in the budget for additional aid to the financial industry.

In his prepared remarks, Geithner said that "doesn't represent a specific request."

So, here is my question: if I knock on doors, make phone calls to Congress, and sign petitions to help pass the budget, how am I not knocking on doors, making phone calls to Congress, and signing petitions in order to demand even more taxpayer funded bonuses for executives at companies like AIG?

This is a serious cognitive dissonance problem.  Should the federal government be using every available legal means to get back executive bonuses at financial service companies that are receiving bailout money, or should it be urging citizens to demand that members of Congress give even more public money for bonuses to these companies?  I guess it isn't an either / or question, because today President Obama is calling for both.

With another executive bonus scandal unfolding in front of our eyes, with the federal government apparently powerless to stop it, and with the budget setting aside for times as much money next year for bailout funds as for health care funds, it is pretty hard to drum up the desire to take action on behalf of the budget.  Is the only way we get more health care coverage if it comes with another $250 billion for Wall Street bailouts?  I certainly hope that isn't the case, because as much as I want more money for health care, I don't want to give another dime to the executives and stockholders at places like AIG.  There are some members of Congress who agree:


We need to find a way to strip the bailout "placeholder" from the budget.  It is an extremely murky process, so I am not sure how it can be done, but we have to find a path.  I want to help pass more health care, but I can't, in good conscience, ask people to go out and knock on doors, make phone calls, and sign petitions in favor of more executive bonuses for AIG.  Taking action like that even strikes me as dangerous-you might get threatened or attacked for knocking on someone's door and asking them to support more taxpayer funded bonuses for Wall Street executives.

We have to get the bailout out of the budget.  Otherwise, hundreds of thousands of grassroots progressives are going to be hitting the streets, and urging people to urge Congress to give more taxpayer funded bonuses to Wall Street executives.


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Excellent points. (4.00 / 6)
I signed up, but now have second thoughts, not only about the issues you identify, but about the health care plan we may end up with.  With the Obama adminstration now winking it may accept a tax on worker health care benefits, and the public option up in the air, I'm not sure I want to fight for this budget just yet.

Maybe we need to know what we are fighting for first.  

 


If you don't get the bailout of the budget (3.00 / 4)
you're going to, what, torpedo the most progressive budget we've ever seen?

Question (4.00 / 2)
You have posted 69 comments since you said you were going to stop posting on Open Left last month. What gives?



[ Parent ]
apparent (0.00 / 0)
this post has the stench of concern troll bait.

I'm glad it's done

[ Parent ]
that should have read 'apparently' (0.00 / 0)
typos ruin snark.

I'm glad it's done

[ Parent ]
Umm (0.00 / 1)
why don't you reply to his points? Are you like Rushbo who calls for total purity of the echo chamber or else?

[ Parent ]
I take (0.00 / 1)
The last part of my comment back after reading this thread by you.

http://www.openleft.com/showDi...

First part still stands.


[ Parent ]
I'll take that as a yes (0.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
That's not what was said (0.00 / 0)
Why are you so defensive of finance industry funding in the budget? Haven't they taken enough?

[ Parent ]
That's irrelevant (0.00 / 0)
it's moronic to hold up an entire budget over something like that. If everyone decided to hold up the budget over something they didn't like, it would never pass.  

[ Parent ]
Here's something else you can do (0.00 / 0)
which does not help enrich AIG executives:

http://takebacktheeconomy.org/


sometimes reality is dissonant (4.00 / 3)
Since even the most progressive solution to the banking crisis would require significant federal funds, it would be irresponsible for the budget not to include a placeholder.

The budget's honesty is one the main reasons I will be knocking on doors this weekend.

There's nothing inconsistent about criticizing the administrations approach to exec compensation and supporting its budget proposal.

Of course, there's nothing inconsistent about cutting off your nose to spite your face, so feel free to do that too....


Agreed (4.00 / 2)
You have to be out of your mind to think that there is not even a possibility of more funds being used to solve the banking crises. As long as there is a strong chance (and clearly there is) it's only honest to put the placeholder in.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

[ Parent ]
Well, why 250 billion (4.00 / 3)
and not 3 trillion?

On the other hand, he could do the right thing and makes banks pay for it:

Stiglitz:

No one knows for sure how big the hole is; some estimates put the number at $2 trillion or $3 trillion, or more. So the question is, Who is going to bear the losses? Wall Street would like nothing better than a steady drip of taxpayer money. But the experience in other countries suggests that when financial markets run the show, the costs can be enormous. Countries like Argentina, Chile and Indonesia spent 40 percent or more of their GDP to bail out their banks. For the United States, the worry is that the $700 billion appropriated for the bank bailout may turn out to be just a small down payment.

The cost to the government is especially important, given the legacy of debt from the Bush administration, which saw the national debt soar from $5.7 trillion to more than $10 trillion. Unless care is taken, government spending on the bailout will crowd out other vital government programs, from Social Security to future investments in technology.

There is a basic principle in environmental economics called "the polluter pays": polluters must pay for the cost of cleaning up their pollution. American banks have polluted the global economy with toxic waste; it is a matter of equity and efficiency that they must be forced, now or later, to pay the price of cleaning it up. As long as the banking sector feels that it will be bailed out of disasters--even ones it created--we will continue to have a moral hazard. Only by making sure that the sector pays the costs of its actions will efficiency be restored.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/2...



[ Parent ]
Stiglitz (4.00 / 1)
doesn't explain how the banks are supposed to "pay" for their actions.

When they are profitable, I have no problem with taxing them and forcing them to pay back the billions we loaned them, but how are they supposed to pay for their actions now? What Stiglitzfails to point out is that the banks have the livlihoods of millions upon millions of people in their hands as leverage.  


[ Parent ]
Obviously (0.00 / 0)
they'd have to pay back what they take over time.

So yeah government money is needed on the front end.


[ Parent ]
Perhaps (4.00 / 4)
Although this administration has so far supported propping up banks with no-strings billions--is there any reason to believe we're not rallying support for more of the same?

The scandal, of course, isn't the bonuses but the 180 billion given to AIG, the most $$$ ever given by the government to a business.

And while it's true that any approach to the crisis will be expensive, the question remains whether taxpayers or the banks themselves will pay for it.


[ Parent ]
I have no problem with giving money to AIG (4.00 / 1)
I have a problem with what they are using some of it for.

No matter what we do, AIG would be taxpayer money eventually, unless you want it to fail, which would be irresponsible.  


[ Parent ]
It's already failed, kept (4.00 / 2)
afloat by government money. But apparently you want to just keep giving it more and more. Take over the goddamn thing.

Reich:

This sordid story of government helplessness in the face of massive taxpayer commitments illustrates better than anything to date why the government should take over any institution that's "too big to fail" and which has cost taxpayers dearly. Such institutions are no longer within the capitalist system because they are no longer accountable to the market. To whom should they be accountable? As long as taxpayers effectively own a large portion of them, they should be accountable to the government.

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/b...


[ Parent ]
Even complete nationalization, (0.00 / 0)
and it pretty much is nationalized, still would mean we'd be propping it up with taxpayer money AND it's likely those bonuses would have to be paid out unless AIG went through bankrupcy procedures first.  

[ Parent ]
What the hell are you talking about? (4.00 / 3)
If the government took over AIG it most certainly wouldn't have to pay out the bonuses; at that point execs work for the government.

Nor would taxpayer money be used to "prop it up." The government would have control and restore it back to health (if that's possible) by, among other things breaking it up. Taxpayer money would be used, yes, but taxpayer via the government would get control.


[ Parent ]
The bonuses were contracted BEFORE (4.00 / 1)
the government took over, that's the problem. Legally, they still cannot abridge those contracts, although they could fight it in court. And you're the one who claims you have confidence in Geither, but you think he should run AIG?  

[ Parent ]
Why? (0.00 / 0)
"Legally, they still cannot abridge those contracts"

What law would be broken here? What constitutional provision?

It would be illegal if Congress failed to authorize it, but that is not the same as saying there is no legal way to abridge the contracts.

Support a Pennsylvania Progressive for Governor - Joe Hoeffel


[ Parent ]
Legally (0.00 / 0)
AIG has no standing against the US. The US owns AIG. What court could support legal action by AIG against its defacto owner? No, not even that. How would it represent itself in a legal proceeding?

AIG lawyer: Um, your honor, we, AIG, insist the US government must let us pay bonuses to our employees.

Judge: Get out of here. You don't exist. The US government OWNS you.

You're argument is ridiculous.


[ Parent ]
No that argument is ridiculous (0.00 / 0)
employees take owners to court all the time. How would this be any different? Do you think if a CNN employee takes Time Warner to court over compensation the court is going to throw out the case? Of course AIG employees could take the government to court. This is not a dictatorship.  

[ Parent ]
Unless I'm totally wrong (4.00 / 2)
the budget is a non-binding placeholder and guideline. It also appropriates money for aid to places after natural disaster. Does that mean Obama is hoping for natural disasters? No, but there is a strong possibility that that aid will be needed.

To achually get the 250 billion a separate vote would be needed. This pledge has nothing to do with that separate vote.

It's perfectly fine to question the effectiveness of knocking on doors to get pledges (I don't think it's a particularly effective tactic) but doing it would not in fact affect bonuses for AIG and holding back on supporting this budget beacuse of the possibility that later on another vote could happen and could possibly end up giving more bonuses to AIG is silly. This budget is the big first step towards a 100% percent cap and auction system with tough goals and serious healthcare and education reform and needs our active support (although taking even the placeholder bailout wouldn't be a bad separate action campaign).

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


What we need (4.00 / 1)
is more say about how the #250 billion is spent when it needs to.  

[ Parent ]
A New Way Forward (0.00 / 0)
I don't think the push for progressive action can come from inside the Obama campaign world.  

There is a new effort launching today to push the Obama administration to take action on the economy that takes power away from the bankers that caused this crisis::

http://www.anewwayforward.org/...

It's a distributed effort.  People need to sign up their cities for protests on April 11 and work out the details in forums and on Facebook.  Help spread the word! And if you're up for it, register your city for a protest.


Delete (2.00 / 2)
I think you should delete this diary because it doesn't make any sense.

You claim Obama is putting aside money for AIG bonuses? (4.00 / 1)
Huh.

Chris, here's what I'm doing... (0.00 / 0)
As a precinct committeewoman, and also chair of the Hillsborough County (FL) Democratic Party Campaign and Precinct Organizing Committee, I have urged all of our precinct leaders to host an event.  (We are connecting them with the former Obama volunteer team members to help them.  Our hope is that this canvass will serve as a precinct organizing tool.)  However, I have advised them to use the canvass to gather redistricting petitions unless the bonus pay-out is removed.  I even set up my own event to being contingent upon that.

Question answer (0.00 / 0)
I'll take retrieve executive bonuses for 50 billion Alex. Stopping this should be considered progress (albeit small) and a first step. It's not just rhetoric but a sign that the Obama admin can make some headway to show the taxpayer the admin has a conscience whereas the previous 8 years of government was oblivious.

Here's a clever recap on how we got here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...


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