The Bonuses Are Refocusing Attention On Bailouts

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Mar 18, 2009 at 13:02


There is a sentiment out there that the media and political furor over the AIG bonuses (and soon, the much larger Merrill Lynch bonuses) is a distraction from the real issue: getting the financial system back on track. President Obama himself apparently subscribes to this viewpoint:

As angry as the president is at the news about A.I.G., which he learned Thursday, Mr. Emanuel said, "his main priority is getting the financial system stabilized, and he believes this is a big distraction in that effort."

I disagree. The bonuses are not a distraction, because they are putting the bailouts back in the spotlight. The $165 million in bonuses to AIG are a hook allowing the country to refocus on the main act of kleptocracy that took place last fall and early this year: funneling hundreds of billions of dollars to the financial institutions that wrecked the economy in the first place. If it weren't for the bonuses, we wouldn't be talking about bailouts right now. As such, rather than a distraction, it is a move toward properly refocusing our attention.

The bonuses are also revealing that the bailout, no matter how well intentioned by lawmakers and the Obama administration, is actually being used by the financial institutions receiving bailout money only to enrich themselves. The people running these companies don't care about saving their firms, or saving the economy. We know this, because massive personal enrichment is emerging as a necessary condition for decision-makers at financial institutions to participate in the bailout program:

Officials at the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department are increasingly worried that the controversy could discourage investors from joining a new government effort to revive consumer lending as well as a separate plan that relies on private money to buy toxic assets from banks, sources familiar with the matter said.(...)

A senior executive at one of the nation's largest banks said he had heard from several hedge funds that they would not partner with the government for fear that lawmakers would impose retroactive conditions on their participation, such as limits on compensation or disclosure requirements.

That's right: no matter the shape their company is in, and no matter the shape the economy is in, financial institutions will only take the government money if they can use it to give themselves huge compensation packages. For the people running these companies, the compensation packages are the necessary condition for their participation, not the state of the economy or of financial institutions. The people running the financial firms don't care whether or not their firms actually need the money, and whether or not the Obama administration's bailout program will actually work in turning the country around. If their bonuses or compensation packages are touched in any way, then they won't participate, no matter if doing so will save their firm or the economy.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: The Bonuses Are Refocusing Attention On Bailouts
The point is that the institutions to whom we are giving the hundreds of billions of dollars don't care about saving their firms or saving the economy. They only care about making themselves personally rich. If they cared about saving their firms or the economy, then they would participate in the bailout regardless of how it affected their compensation packages. However, since their participation is dependant upon personally receiving huge sums of money, then getting even richer is their primary motivation, not saving their firms or saving the economy.

If we are designing bailout programs to fix the economy, but we are giving the money in those bailout programs to people who only care about getting rich, then what are the odds that those bailout programs will succeed at anything except making the people involved rich? If the response is that our economy will only be healthy if we make people on Wall Street even richer, then I reject that premise. Making a small percentage of our country incredibly wealthy is not a necessary condition of prosperity for the country as a whole. The people to whom we are giving the money generally believe that, but I don't.

It is true that the bonuses are a small amount of the money. The real crime is that we are giving more than $700 billion to people who only care about getting rich, not about fixing either their firms or the economy. However, rather than the focus on the bonuses being a distraction, they are helping us once again look at the people who are stealing hundreds of billions of dollars from us, and reminding us that we should never again approve more public money for these greedy bastards.


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No (1.33 / 12)
The bonuses are a distraction and the bailouts were necessary.

"...actually being used by the financial institutions receiving bailout money only to enrich themselves."

False. Of course government involvement in this is messy and ugly, and I'd prefer temporary nationalization to what Obama is doing, but that doesn't make your hysterical comment true.

People are losing jobs. People can't get loans. Obama needs to work on passing a budget and passing health care reform. Not this stupid symbolic crap.

Just because the media latches onto something in a frenzy does not mean that politicians should have seen it coming first.


Finally just troll rating you (4.00 / 3)
for your non-stop contentless ad hominem postings.  

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I disagree with you (4.00 / 8)
The bonus issue may represent a small amount of the bailout package, but it strikes right at the heart of the issue: trust and confidence.

What good to throw more money at the banks and financial institutions when the executives of those companies have, by the arrogance of their actions and statements, done everything humanly possible to make the people handing them the money to keep their companies from sinking believe that they are beneath contempt?

Isn't faith and confidence at the root of our economy?

How, exactly, does any of this instill confidence and trust in our economy and those that manage it?  If these execs that got the bonuses are so damned important, why aren't they all the media trying to explain to me and my fellow tax-payers that are bailing them out why they are worth this much? Instead they hide like common criminals.


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     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
Not sure I agree... (4.00 / 1)
But you don't deserve to be troll-rated for this comment, so I've recced it.

[ Parent ]
For this comment alone (3.00 / 4)
you're right.  But Semblance has been all over the AIG diaries today spouting contentless vitriol with no other purpose than to try to stifle actual discussion.  I've requested numerous times for Semblance to offer some actual argument as to why the bonus issue is not worthy of discussion but she/he doesn't do so - only posts more comments simply yelling that we shouldn't be interested in the bonuses and demanding that Chris and David apologize.  

So, for that pattern of behavior, I troll rated - because it's apparent that Semblance is only interested in trolling on this issue.


[ Parent ]
and for troll rating a perfectly fine post (0.00 / 0)
I have troll rated you.  Is this really a game we want to start playing with the site?

How about we just troll rate those posts which are truly trolls?


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This is exactly right, Crhis (4.00 / 5)
Does anyone truly believe that the number of people in the world who are capable of doing these Wall Street jobs is sooooo small?  The arrogance of these people is stunning.  Does anyone truly believe that the value that they are adding to the global economy and to productivity is sooooo large that it merits the size of pay they receive?  This is the true issue behind compensation on Wall Street.  During the last decade, something approaching 60% of Harvard's graduating class went in to finance after graduation.  The historical norm has been between 10-20%.  I know these kids, I teach them.  They are generally bright, yes, but they walk in the door knowing nothing about the jobs that they are about to do.  They are the recipients of general liberal arts degrees and walk into firms where everything they need to do is put in front of them by their managing directors.  I refuse to believe that the only people in the world smart enough to do the analysis and compile the reports in order to succeed and move up the ladder in these firms are are the graduates of our elite colleges and universities.  It's a total joke.  

The bailouts are continuing without an obvious end (4.00 / 8)
And even if it does work and we reinflate the bubble long enough to stabilise the world economy, there's no indication that the Obama administration has a longer-term plan.

The time bombs left in the wreckage of the zombie banks need to be defused, and then a lot of them need to be wound down or broken up. The canard that regulation hurts business needs to be forcefully challenged. The broader economy needs to be refocused away from Wall Street, so that it doesn't risk collapse every time it becomes apparent that the Emperor has pawned all his clothes.

Right now, however, we seem to still be in damage control mode, and not in a very good example of that. The virtue of the bonus debate (aside from making bankers sufficiently hated that they should be easier to steamroller when we need to, assuming our leaders keep their nerve) is that it focuses criticism on Geithner and Summers and makes it difficult for them to keep putting out the same impractical recovery plan.

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very astute Chris ... (0.00 / 0)
.. and all the more reason to nationalize and fire these bastards to get them away from having access to our money.

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I disagree. The bonuses are not a distraction, because they are putting the bailouts back in the spotlight.

In a generic ass backwards way. People are still completely ignoring what AIG actually did with 99.9 percent of the money they got. The bonus situation is like a smokescreen that serves to do nothing but give congressmen a soapbox.


to clarify myself (0.00 / 0)
Well, to clarify myself, just what the fuck are legislators talking about right now? It isn't fixing the bailout or making the bailout work better, it's figuring out how congress can get the bonuses back. What the "spotlight" is on is complete bullshit.

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Barney Frank is now saying that the ownership issue is the (0.00 / 0)
logical means to get the bonuses back:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...

So you're incorrect to suggest that the issue isn't being used to attempt to improve the larger terms of the bailout.

 


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Give 'em the soapbox (4.00 / 2)
It means that we've got more leverage to get them voting sensibly on future bailout money. And if some of them start to like the soapbox and start acting like a co-equal branch of government, I don't think that would be a bad thing either.

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[ Parent ]
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But they aren't talking about future bailouts. They are taking the easy out, which is taxing the bonuses. Make a bullshit issue, get a bullshit solution.

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Well, yes... (4.00 / 2)
The actual dollars going into the bonuses is obviously very small compared to the entire bailout, but that's not the point, is it?  If you work for a failed company (which is what AIG is now), then you don't get a big bonus.  If you were mainly or even partially responsible for your company's collapse (let's not even talk about the entire economy), then yeah... you should not be taking home another million, or hell, ANY additional money.  These people's salaries are probably already 6 figures, and that should be more than generous for these people that probably don't deserve jobs any longer.

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The actual dollars going into the bonuses is obviously very small compared to the entire bailout, but that's not the point, is it?

When billions of dollars are going from AIG to foreign banks, there is a way bigger point then some retention money that's owed from a 2 year old contract.


That's just the size of the issue (4.00 / 1)
AIG could easily be "rescued" by simply wiping out all of its depts, but that isn't really the point.  Yes, over half of the banks AIG assured are overseas.  It sucks that our money is flowing that way, but that doesn't make it wrong.  Even if we went through full receivership/bankruptcy proceedings, we'd probably pay those depts.  You can't really pick and choose.

The real solution is to make sure other countries are doing their fair share.


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Yes, but it's a false dichotomy to claim (4.00 / 1)
that we can't care about both issues.  Frustration/outrage/disbelief over the bonus issue does not necessarily preclude those reactions to the bailout as a whole.  Furthermore, it's entirely probable that the issue of the bonuses will be the cognitive slap-in-the-face that many need to see what, I presume, you and I would agree on - that the whole bailout enterprise is severly flawed.  However, the only chance we'll have of the bonus issue working that way is if people specifically start making that argument - as Chris and David are attempting to do.


[ Parent ]
. (0.00 / 0)
It would be a false dichotomy if the bonus talk wasn't dominating media and blog discussion until we move onto the next outrage of the week.

[ Parent ]
what? (0.00 / 0)
"The bonuses are also revealing that the bailout, no matter how well intentioned by lawmakers and the Obama administration, is actually being used by the financial institutions receiving bailout money only to enrich themselves."

ONLY to enrich themselves?  What are you talking about?  The bonuses are 0.1% of the bailout.  Sure, they're using 0.1% to enrich themselves, and it's slimy and distasteful and annoying.  But come on, you're making statements that are just laughable.

"We know this, because massive personal enrichment is emerging as a necessary condition for decision-makers at financial institutions to participate in the bailout program:"

Again, that's some massive hyperbole.  "Massive personal enrichment"?  How about "getting paid the salaries and payments to which they're contractually bound"?  And do you really want the people who know how these complicated books are set up to leave for other jobs (you know, those people who weren't necessarily responsible for piss-poor risk analysis) where they're not going to have the entire country screaming for their heads?

I mean, we could fire them all and spend the next couple months training up new people to do their jobs.  But I'd rather have a company that we own 80% of actually working to fix itself, not training new hires.

Let's just shut up, accept that there is suckiness all over this situation, and let them do their jobs.


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