The Plot Thickens On Residual Forces

by: Chris Bowers

Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 17:43


Center For American Progress on Iraq (PDF, page 7):

The United States should reduce its troop presence at a rate of about 9,000 per month from its present level of about 130,000 to 60,000 by the end of 2006, and to virtually zero by the end of 2007. The troops remaining in Iraq through 2007 would focus on training Iraqi security forces, eradicating terrorist cells, providing logistical support to Iraqi security forces, and providing border security. All National Guard units would return in 2006 to stand ready to respond to potential natural disasters and terrorist attacks on the homeland.

Also, the U.S. should double its troops in Afghanistan and integrate the U.S. forces with NATO's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) to create a single unified NATO command headed by an American three-star general.

This report is from May of 2006. It offers reasonably specific estimates for troop levels in not one, but two countries. The report proposes that 20,000 new American troops be sent to Afghanistan, and that an ever shrinking force of 60,000 American troops in Iraq "would focus on training Iraqi security forces, eradicating terrorist cells, providing logistical support to Iraqi security forces, and providing border security" These tasks are, not surprisingly, virtually identical to those proposed for residual American forces in Iraq by Biden, Clinton, Dodd and Obama.

Biden

If, in the interim we actually make progress on a political settlement in Iraq and start to make Iraq the world's problem, not just our own, then I would support continuing what Democrats are trying to do now: transition our troops out of the civil war and into a limited mission of targeted counter-terrorism operations against Al Qaeda and like-minded groups, training Iraqis and force protection.

Clinton:

(1) That a phased redeployment of United States military forces from Iraq has begun, in a manner consistent with any limitations on aid for Iraq for security purposes in effect under section 4, including the transition of United States forces in Iraq to the limited presence and mission of-

(A) training Iraqi security forces;
(B) providing logistic support of Iraqi security forces;
(C) protecting United States personnel and infrastructure; and
(D) participating in targeted counter-terrorism activities.

Dodd:

That's why I would include three narrowly targeted exceptions for redeployment - the protection of U.S. personnel and infrastructure, specific counterterrorism operations, and assistance with the training and equipping of Iraqi forces.

Obama:

The plan allows for a limited number of U.S. troops to remain in Iraq as basic force protection, to engage in counter-terrorism and to continue the training of Iraqi security forces.

Does this policy similarity remind anyone of the post I made on Pakistan and cap and trade last night? These proposals for residual forces seem to be coming off a Democratic foreign policy assembly line. It certainly leads credence to what Bill Richardson wrote in the Washington Post today:

Clinton, Obama and Edwards reflect the inside-the-Beltway thinking that a complete withdrawal of all American forces somehow would be "irresponsible."

This does seem to be an insider the beltway consensus on Iraq. However, when you drill down a little deeper, it is possible to see key differences between the plans being put forth by major centrist and progressive think tanks, and those being put forth by most Democratic presidential campaigns:

  1. First, both the Center for American Progress and the Center for a New American Security actually estimate the number of troops their plans would leave in Iraq. In both cases, the starting figure for American troops to carry out these residual missions is 40,000 to 60,000. That also happens to be the figure first floated for the Iraq Study Group plan.

  2. Second, there is a key difference between the plan proposed by the Center for American Progress and the plan proposed by the Center for a New American Security. The former proposes reducing the American presence in Iraq to 60,000 troops, and then continuing the reduction to "virtually zero" in one year or less. The latter talks of reducing the American presence in Iraq to 60,000, maintaining that level for up to three years, and then withdrawing the rest over the course of a fourth year.

I make the first point to demonstrate what I feel is continuing obsfucation from major campaigns on estimated residual force numbers. Major think tanks don't have a problem making estimates, so why should major campaigns? The second point shows why it is so key for Democratic campaigns to start being more upfront on Iraq. The Biden-Clinton-Dodd-Obama residual force plans I listed above do not specify how long they would have residual forces conduct the stand ream of missions in Iraq. However, as we can now see from a comparison of CAP and CNAS, these residual force plans can range anywhere from 18 months to four and a half years. This adds a second layer of uncertainty into their plans. Not only do we not know how many troops their plans will require (well, actually, we do know: 40K-60K), but we don't know how long they will have troops conduct those missions in Iraq. This is not only a second layer of uncertainty, but it is a second key differentiating point among Democratic candidates on Iraq.

The plot thickens further. Imagine how much of a difference it could make in the campaign if it was clear that, for example, Obama's residual force plan was in line with the one from CAP, while Clinton's was more like CANS. That would mean up to a three year difference in the length of the Iraq war during their presidencies. As such, it seems as though it would behoove all candidates who are currently trailing Clinton  to start making it clear how long they would have significant residual forces in Iraq, while implying that she would keep them there longer. These are potentially huge, campaign changing differences on Iraq, and I am baffled as to why Obama and Edwards in particular are not emphasizing them. Why aren't they doing this? One possible reason, inf act the most likely reason, is that differences is that they do not actually exist. Perhaps all of their Iraq plans were purchased off the shelf from the Democratic foreign policy assembly line.

Until either Edwards or Obama starts emphasizing differences from Clinton on future Iraq plans, it seems reasonable to assume that those differences do not exist. That possibility should send shivers down the spine of every progressive activist in the country.

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great post (0.00 / 0)
thanks for the specifics.  I'd like to see anyone (Obama, for example) who does not think immediate total withdrawal is possible/realistic to go for the CAP-style plan.  I would be quite happy with that.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

You're on Target - Richardson is showing Leadership on Iraq (0.00 / 0)
Richardson is providing the intellectual leadership among the Dem Presidential candidates by setting forth case for leaving Iraq now in clear and compelling terms.  As the most experienced Dem candidate on foreign affairs, he also has greater credibility than the other candidates.  (Sure Biden has experience too but sitting in the US Senate is far different than interacting with the rest of the world as US ambassador to the UN - and Biden's is wrong on the how best to exit Iraq - he wants to maintain a residual force in Iraq for an indefinite term).

Will HRC, Obama or Edwards set forth as clear an argument as Richardson did today for promptly leaving Iraq?

Richardson's plan not realistic from a military standpoint?  Here is what Lt. Gen. Robert Gard says about the plan:

"Overwhelming majorities of Iraqis, both Shia and Sunni, oppose the presence of US troops in Iraq and believe that US troops are more a cause of violence than a solution to it. Our presence in Iraq fuels the insurgency, strengthens Al Qaeda, and distracts us from the urgent task of defeating the real terrorists who attacked this country on 9-11. It's time for a phased and coordinated, but rapid, withdrawal of all US troops from Iraq, and Governor Richardson has a realistic plan to do it."

http://www.richardso...


Very iluminating quote... (0.00 / 0)
I hope Edwards will attack what seems to be wrong-headed policy by Obamallary.

It is a  golden opportunity to catch up.


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[ Parent ]
Democratic foreign policy factory line (0.00 / 0)
what is the difference between PNAC and Center for a New American Security?

What about Edwards? (0.00 / 0)
Chris, you quoted Biden, Clinton, Dodd and Obama, but you didn't mention Edwards even though his plan for troop withdrawal is not any better than the rest of the field.

Biden supports removing almost all U.S. forces from Iraq by the summer of 2008

Dodd supports complete redeployment by April 30, 2008

Edwards supports completely withdrawing all combat troops in Iraq within about a year

Obama supports removing all combat troops from Iraq by March 31, 2008

I couldn't find any concrete information on Clinton's website about residual troop levels.

It just seems unfair to point to everyone except Edwards which might give some readers the false impression that Edwards has a better plan when in fact he doesn't.  It's all cookie-cutter assembly line rhetoric as you mentioned in your post.

By the way, Biden does indeed provide an estimate of "perhaps 20,000" residual troops on his website. 


Obama supported removing all combat ... (0.00 / 0)
...troops by March 31, 2008 IF the start date was May 1, 2007. We are, sadly, well beyond that now. The same rate of withdrawal would put us at the end of July. And that's just the combat troops, not the trainers, advisers and protectors of the trainers and advisers, which could total in the tens of thousands.

[ Parent ]
Overall, I agree, Chris ... (4.00 / 3)
...but why pick the Center for American Progress's 2.0 plan when the 3.0 plan - Strategic Reset - has been out for three months?

That proposal suggests that if "the United States begins troop redeployment of 170,000 troops by the summer of 2007 at the latest [just 12 days left to get that started], U.S. troop levels in Iraq could decline to about 70,000 by January 2008, with full redeployment completed by September 2008. This would be accomplished by not replacing units that complete their tours on a one-for-one basis. Redeploying in one year would allow sufficient time to dismantle U.S. bases such as Camp Victory in Baghdad and Balad and Tallil Airbases, as well as return most U.S. military equipment to the United States."

Assuming the Strategic Reset people were suggesting a six-month withdrawal starting in July, that would mean approximately 17,000 troops withdrawn each month (instead of the 9,000 suggested in May 2006), with the remainder redeployed at the rate of about 9,000 until September 2008.

Now, of course, we're two months from July, but the timetable would still have everybody out by November.

That seems like a plan Edwards or Obama could (and should) be suggesting. This would be the appropriate week to do so.

Obviously, even if every presidential candidate were to propose this at a joint press conference, it wouldn't happen because...well...because of Mister Bush. But at least the Democrats would begin hearing less fury at their waffling from us progressives.


Instead of asking our candidates to urge Bush (4.00 / 1)
to do this, should we be asking them if _they_ will, once president? That is if, in Feb 09', say, they'll start this CAP 3.0 plan, and finish 'full redeployment' by 2010? Seems, perhaps, a better emphasis.

Also, as sorta per my post, below, I believe this plan leaves 8-10,000 US troops in Iraq, right?


[ Parent ]
MY bad. Will be remedied (0.00 / 0)
shortly

[ Parent ]
Twenty-Ten By Twenty-Ten (4.00 / 1)
My idea is this: ask all the candidates to answer the same question, such as ...

"Dear Senator:

If elected President, do you hope to have few than twenty thousand American troops in Iraq by 2010? Do you hope to have fewer than ten thousand American troops in Iraq by 2010? This includes troops protecting US personnel, engaging in counter-terrorism, and training Iraqi security forces--and, obviously, this is a question about your current realistic hopes, without reference to the future conditions on the ground."

Chris argues--convincingly, to my mind--that the candidates' Iraq plans leave the following numbers of American troops in Iraq:

* Clinton, Obama, and Dodd: 40-60,000.
* Biden: 20-60,000.
* Edwards: 10-20,000.
* Richardson and Kucinich: 5-10,000.

Would a question such as my 'twenty-ten by twenty-ten' question clarify matters? Allow us judge each candidate by precisely the same standard? Or is this an exercise in irrelevance?

I posted this at DailyKos and was greeted with extreme indifference. Any feedback?


Who does Hillary know well? (0.00 / 0)
From the home page of The Center for American Progress

"The Center for American Progress is headed by John D. Podesta, former chief of staff to President William J. Clinton and a professor at Georgetown University Center of Law."

And she raised a lot of money to get CAP started.  And Neera Tanden, her director of policy, worked at the Center for American Progress. 

Just hints, may mean nada


"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


Is this like a "No New Taxes" pledge? (4.00 / 1)
I get a strange feeling reading about this issue, not only because what they think should happen by 2008 matters less than what they want to do in 2009.  It begins to have the feel for me of one of those "No New Taxes" pledges.

My bottom line is that I want a candidate who will seriously commit themselves to getting out of Iraq (and not into Iran) as quickly as possible, the same way that a fiscal conservative might a candidate who will seriously commit themselves to low marginal taxes.  But if I feel that I am getting a candidate who will do that -- which I don't feel I have in Hillary, and which I feel I *probably* have in Edwards, Dodd, or Obama -- I am willing to offer a lot of latitude on the details.  This is not because I don't want the troops out, but because I know that Things Happen.  What seems to makes sense now may not make as much sense in January 2009, and I think that deep down we all know it and voters do as well.

Now, the fiscal conservative I mention above will want one of those "No New Taxes" pledges that box a candidate firmly into a position no matter what happens in the meantime.  A candidate who violates that pledge -- G.H.W. Bush, most notably -- gets slammed for not hewing to their promise.  I do not want to be the equivalent of that idiot when it comes to Iraq, demanding that my candidate tie themselves to the mast no matter what.  The willingness to do so, in fact, strikes me as pandering.  (Sorry, Bill Richardson.)

Here are some of the things that could happen between now and January 2009 (by which time I hope Democrats will have independently drawn up withdrawal plans, if Bush won't order the brass to do so):

* Turkey and the Kurds could begin a hot war
* there could be massive civil unrest in Saudi Arabia
* there could be massive civil unrest in Iran
* there could be serious pitched battles in Basra
* there could be ethnic cleansing far beyond what we've seen in Baghdad
* American troops could be slaughtered as they withdraw
* the Arab League could come together (knowing a Democrat was winning?) and request U.S. troop involvement in a multinational force

And so on, each of them having ripple effects I can't imagine.  Do I want my candidate to say that *no matter what* our troops are coming out?  No, not really.  Just as I would grudgingly keep troops in Afghanistan, I can imagine things changing within and among the groups in Iraq -- especially as we credibly threaten to draw down troop levels and thus impose the prospect of actual civil war on the country -- to the point we could leave some troops in.  I want a candidate who will be wise and good about such decisions at that time.  Furthermore, I don't trust that anyone -- not even Bill Richardson -- would necessarily keep whatever promise they make for voter consumption, should some of these contingencies come to pass.

The difference I expect between Hillary and E/D/O is one of fundamental orientation rather than 10,000 troops here or there.  Any of E/D/O would, I expect, *turn the metaphorical ship of occupation around, let everyone know of our plans to leave, and deal with the consequences wisely and humanely.*  Hillary, I expect, would come up with excuses why we can't really leave after all, sorry about that.

I wonder if the way to differentiate the campaigns, then, is not in the sort of quantitative way these plans express, but in a more qualitative way.  I think that Hillary's plans can be shown to contravene any plan of the sort I offer in the previous paragraph.  If differentiation of candidate stances can be made for voters in this qualitative way, which to me is much more credible than Richardson's stance, might that not be enough to ask for, and enough for them to win?

I speak only for myself, not for those voices in the next room that won't leave me alone.


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