Krugman Cuts To The Chase

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Mar 22, 2009 at 16:39


Yesterday, as part of his roundup, Daniel quoted Paul Krugman:

The Obama administration is now completely wedded to the idea that there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the financial system - that what we're facing is the equivalent of a run on an essentially sound bank. As Tim Duy put it, there are no bad assets, only misunderstood assets. And if we get investors to understand that toxic waste is really, truly worth much more than anyone is willing to pay for it, all our problems will be solved.

In a later post, Krugman went on to further clarify:  there are two basic reasons for bank failures--the run on a sound bank is just one of them, and it's the one the Geithner plan is based on.  But it's not the problem we're facing:

Why was I so quick to condemn the Geithner plan? Because it's not new; it's just another version of an idea that keeps coming up and keeps being refuted. It's basically a thinly disguised version of the same plan Henry Paulson announced way back in September. To understand the issue, let me offer some background.

Start with the question: how do banks fail? A bank, broadly defined, is any institution that borrows short and lends long. Like any leveraged investor, a bank can fail if it has made bad investments - if the value of its assets falls below the value of its liabilities, bye bye bank.

But banks can also fail even if they haven't been bad investors: if, for some reason, many of those they've borrowed from (e.g., but not only, depositors) demand their money back at once, the bank can be forced to sell assets at fire sale prices, so that assets that would have been worth more than liabilities in normal conditions end up not being enough to cover the bank's debts

Behind all the complex razzle-dazzle, this is the basic question here: what kind of bank failure do we have?  And there really doesn't seem to be much question about that. The term "toxic assets" gives you all the answer you need: the problem is the assets themselves, not a run on basically sound banks.  That's why the troubled banks can't be saved as they currently exist.

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In this case, Krugman goes on to explain:

To keep the banks operating, you need to provide a real backstop - you need to guarantee their debts, and seize ownership of those banks that don't have enough assets to cover their debts; that's the Swedish solution, it's what we eventually did with our own S&Ls.

Now, early on in this crisis, it was possible to argue that it was mainly a panic. But at this point, that's an indefensible position. Banks and other highly leveraged institutions collectively made a huge bet that the normal rules for house prices and sustainable levels of consumer debt no longer applied; they were wrong. Time for a Swedish solution.

This is the situation, but Geithner is unwilling or unable to face up to it.  And so he's devised a clever scheme to try to hide what's going on.  This, Krugman things, would be fatal, as,

I'm afraid that this will be the administration's only shot - that if the first bank plan is an abject failure, it won't have the political capital for a second.

This is a real example of irrational allegiance to an ideology.  The viewpoint that we can't be experiencing the bad asset kind of bank failure--even though that's exactly what happened with the S&Ls--is both irrational and ideological.  The empirical evidence is strongly against this viewpoint.  Furthermore, the political consequences of failure would ordinarily ensure a more prudent alternative.  It is the conceptual inability to break free of ideology that it as the very root of what the Obama Administration is doing right now.  Which is made all the more ironic by Obama's repeated insistence that he is guided always by pragmatism and doesn't have an ideological bone in his body.

How would a true pragmatist handle this differently?  Well, for starters, he would have an ideologically diverse group of advisers.  Instead of having folks like Krugman, Galbraith, Roubini, Stiglitz, Baker, etc. all on the outside criticizing noisily in the public square, he would have at least some of them--or others who think like them--on the inside challenging Summers and Geithner every step of the way.  This is a minimal requirement for avoiding group think.  You have to actively seek diverse points of view--and then you have to make sure people are encouraged to speak out early and often.  Otherwise, even those with diverse viewpoints may fall into self-censorship.

What difference would having such a diverse group make?  It would obviously mean that Geithner's plan would not have been put forward.  If it can't survive the snipping it's getting from afar, there's no way it could have survived internal debate.  And that means we would have had some form of nationalization, which would have been both pragmatically sound in itself, and would have established the general moral principle of making those who took the risks shoulder the pain, rather than being bailed out by the innocent.

In turn, these two pillars--one pragmatic, the other moral, would have provided a strong foundation for the next crucial steps: re-regulating the financial system, and rebuilding the shattered economy.  Cutting the losses and restoring moral order are not radical ideas.  They are, in fact, if not conservative ideas, then surely prudential ones that conservatives should readily support.  Thus, if Obama really does want to reach out to conservatives, this would be an excellent way to do it.

But reality does not play any part in any of this.  Everything is wildly distorted by the funhouse mirrors of Versailles ideologies, turning everything in sight into its exact opposite.


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This is kind of like a greatly expanded (4.00 / 5)
idea of a comment that I posted earlier in the week:
Faith Based Economics  (4.00 / 5)
It seems utterly clear that it's not a matter of Obama not "getting it", or that he and his team don't yet "understand the scope of the situation". The crux of the problem is that Obama and Co. have what appears to be an unshakable faith in the current system as it stands. They are hell bent on not shaking things up too much because all will be well with just some minor tweaking (re-regulation) and a massive cash infusion.

It is, of course, a Dance of Death. The more time and money Obama and Co. spend trying to keep the current system on life support, the quicker the rest of us circle the drain.

You make a lot of good points here, including that Obama absolutely does not have an ideologically diverse group of economic advisers, which drives me crazy after all his talk of being open to hearing diverse opinions. But I guess form the MSM/Versailles point of view, ideas ranging all the way from the right to the far right constitutes "balance". I do wonder if Obama truly believes he's getting advice from across the spectrum of ideas, or if he thinks it's only necessary to hear from what he believes are "realistic" and "pragmatic" experts.


I Have No Idea (4.00 / 4)
how Obama can justify this to himself.

Part of me would dearly love to hear him try to explain.

The other part remembers his shameless prevaricating over his FISA flip-flop, and thinks, not so much.

But aside from whatever rationale he might come up with, what in the world is the sense of all this?  Vietnam might have been a terrible, genocidal war, but at least it wasn't utterly nonsensical.  You could at least understand the reasons, even as you abhored them.

When did Franz Kafka get appointed to Obama's senior staff?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Inheritance (4.00 / 2)
He was already part of the furniture of empire, ordered and installed some time late in the Fall of 1947. Or have we forgotten Mutually Assured Destruction, Peace is Our Profession, and Dr. Stangelove, the Stephen Colbert of his day?

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I wouldn't focus (4.00 / 8)
on Obama in trying to figure this out.

Obama had several picks that ran into trouble, and Geithner clearly could have been sunk over taxes. But he was never really in doubt.

The Rubinites had the ear of congressional Democrats after they retook Congress.  They were in charge the last time a Democrat was in the White House.  They would have been in charge under Hillary Clinton, just as they are in charge under Obama.

If this was about Obama, we'd see griping from congressional Democrats. But has there be any? They might criticize Geithner himself - but there doesn't seem to be much potential for challenging the Rubin school.  Just a lot of faux populism (not accusing anyone out here of that - just members of Congress.)

This is where the Democratic Party is on economics.  Krugman, Stiglitz, Baker - these guys are in the zone of deviance.  It's not going to change from the top.  But if the brouhaha over the bonuses can start to shift into something more systematic, maybe it can start to change from the bottom.  

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But why hasn't Rubinomics been disgraced? .. (4.00 / 4)
I mean .. Reich and Krugman .. two former fellow travelers(at least to me) .. now pretty much disavow most(if not all) Rubinomics .. but why hasn't Obama learned? .. Why does Rubin have such a hold over the economics over those who get Gov't jobs?

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Because these things are political (4.00 / 3)
They don't change merely on the basis of the facts.

Lots of people in Washington, Herbert Hoover being just the most obvious example, thought the answer to the Great Depression was the keep doing the same thing.  FDR ran on a balanced budget. It was only because of a significant political challenge that FDR moved to embrace many of the policies we celebrate him for today.

That hasn't happened yet.

Here's my question: why is it that so many have accepted the Democrats willingness to continue to embrace these failed policies? Why have so few politicians seen that taking a lead could be a significant opportunity (rather than saying the right things during a campaign or after the most important decisions have been made)?



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You're Forgetting (4.00 / 6)
FDR was already doing more to fight the depression as governor of NY than anyone else in the country.  And he brought his flaming liberal Secretary of Labor with him.  Yes, he needed a movement from below to help him along.  But he was not the timid centrist image-of-Obama so many are trying to make him over to be.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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You are expecting nonconformity and the research in conformity is clear (0.00 / 0)
People will doubt the length of a line if all the members of their group say it is one length when really it is not. Only one person validating the only person not in on the game will allow the correct estimate of the line. And we are talking about conformity over 2-3 and 4 inches for crissakes!

Something as complex as this scheme would desperately need a few authorities validating reality for Obama who really doesn't know a lot about this. But I bet he is getting educated as fast as we all are.


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Precisely! (4.00 / 5)
If the crash of '08 wasn't a refutation of Rubinomics, I don't know what is.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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follow the money (4.00 / 2)
I agree with you, simply based on the record of Rubinomics, the ideology ought to have been completely discredited.  However, I think the missing piece explaining its continued hold over people in government is money.  The financial industry are huge contributors to Democratic campaigns, Obama's included.  They expect a return on these investments in the form of policies which benefit them.  Unfortunately, we can't just expect our elected leaders to do the right thing when faced with intense pressure from these moneyed interests, even if they are as brilliant as Obama. The American people need to get organized and mobilize against plutocratic forces within both parties (as we are already seeing now) and we need to reform our electoral system to dramatically reduce the role of money in politics.  Until these things happen, the specter of Rubin and his various minions will continue to haunt both the halls of congress and 1600 Penn avenue.    

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The first time I read your sentence (4.00 / 1)
about Krugman Stiglitz, Baker, my brain registered it as "these guys are in the zone of defiance", which made perfect sense to me. It's only on the second read that I see you wrote "deviance" (which is also perfectly apt).  

Just an interesting tidbit.


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I've been trying to wrap by head around the same question: Why? (4.00 / 3)
The solution to the financial crisis seems evident.  Put the banks into receivership, guarantee their debts, clean house, and break them up to smaller, more manageable companies.  The Paulson/Geithner plan reminds me of injecting Frankenstein with steroids.  Shift all the risk to the taxpayers in the middle of an historic recession, and most of the reward to hedge fund managers.  It all seems premised on there being (in Atrios' words) a pony in the shitpile.  To bet the future on that premise is insane.

Why is Obama going along with it?  I have no idea.  Maybe it has something to do with the fact that most of his economic advisers had substantial roles in creating this mess.  In a sane world, Krugman and Roubini would be designing economic policy.  Clearly, that place is far from here.


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Hyperventilate Just A Little More Please (0.00 / 0)
I can't (breathe) understand (breathe) why (breathe) Obama (breathe) doesn't (breathe) get it.  I mean (breathe) Paul Krugman knows (breathe) everything, (breathe) doesn't he?  I (breathe) can't seem (breathe) to catch (breathe) my breath (breath) I'm so (breathe) upset (breathe).  It IS (breathe) the END (breathe) of the WORLD (breathe), isn't it?

I mean (breathe) Geithner and Summers (breathe) are EVIL incarnate right (breathe), worse than (breathe) Cheney?  


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you're being silly (4.00 / 10)
Krugman is a very easy person to cite because he expresses esoteric concepts in a really clean way.  But, I've also read Galbraith, Roubini, Stiglitz, Simon, Baker and a boatload of others - to say nothing of the very smart writers in finance and economics blogging with a pseudonym.  Among the lot, I'm not finding disagreement with Krugman's basic points.  And, if we don't get the basics right, I'm not sure we can expect the outcomes to be more than very expensive mush.

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+100 (4.00 / 3)
Candide's riff is funny -- unless you've done your homework. Then it's just insulting. Worse than insulting, because of the stakes.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

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a qualified defense (4.00 / 5)
I defended Obama's choices of Geithner and Summers, under the theory that they were smart, pragmatic people who were economically in tune with Obama. That they recognized that the ground had shifted under them and that their advice would reflect that. I was wrong. So take this for what it is worth.

I don't believe that Geithner and Summers are the only source of economic advice within the Obama administration. I think, and we can see this in leaks from the administration undermining Geithner, that there are other points of view within the administration that are waiting for Geithner's approach to run its course.

Obama sticks to a strategy and sees it through, he does not abandon course easily. He chose early on to implement Geithner's plan, and he obviously is not yet convinced that his early read of the economic situation was mistaken. But Obama does incorporate new information, he will eventually abandon the wrong course. Obama is, however, intolerant of internal division becoming public. So we are unlikely to see many signs of a course change until he has changed his mind, laid the groundwork, and is ready to follow a new course in earnest.

So I remain hopeful that Obama will change course and ultimately take over these insolvent organizations. But if he waits much longer, and we pour more money down the current hole, then he will probably have to precipitate a deeper economic crisis to build the political will to take the necessary steps.


Psychoanalytically (0.00 / 0)
his vanity forces him to hide his shortcomings; one of his major shortcomings is finance. Even those who follow the field are perplexed by the asininity of some of these complex instruments with their New Speak names; what must Obama, a public sector lawyer make of them?

Cunning and ruthless people can exploit such weakness by making him feel that he is part of a small minority who get it and the vast majority including the people-who-were-right-all-along(tm) and Nobel Laureates who criticize are wrong. (see also Pres. Bush)

It would be a miracle for such a man to ask the question in the privacy of his mind "am I sure?" when he is inside the Belt Way. He did so well when he got out amongst the people and saw hairdressers and auto mechanics and shop keepers who were sending him a unanimous "WTF Barack?!" message.

I'm hoping that little voice of doubt in his head isn't narcissistically silenced.


[ Parent ]
Winston Churchill:When I'm wrong I change my mind. What do you do?" (4.00 / 2)


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Winston Chruchill: "When I'm wrong I change my mind. What do you do?" (0.00 / 0)


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little leaks (0.00 / 0)
In a profile of Larry Summers from next months TNR:
In July, when he was still a civilian, Summers argued in the Financial Times that the government should use its "receivership power" over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to wipe out holders of regular and preferred stock and certain types of bonds, "conserving cash for the benefit of taxpayers." He said it should run the companies until the financial crisis passed--perhaps a period of several years--before selling off certain components to the private sector. "It is a time for decisive action," Summers wrote.

As the financial crisis has deepened, many economists have proposed something roughly analogous for the country's largest commercial banks. Geithner has so far resisted. The Treasury secretary has opted instead to bolster the balance sheets of hard-up banks with capital from last fall's bank bailout, and to provide government financing for investors interested in purchasing depressed assets. In fairness, there are any number of reasons why someone might support nationalization for Fannie and Freddie but oppose it for large banks, whose balance sheets and business models are far more complex. Still, one can't help wondering if the administration might now be inching toward some version of Summers's FT approach had he been in charge at Treasury. (Summers declined to comment on hypotheticals.)

It is fashionable on this blog to attack Summers, Rahm or Rubin as the source of Geithner's and Obama's reluctance to nationalize. I don't know what is going on in the White House, but my reading of the tea leaves is that the source is Geithner aligned with his boss's caution, while Summers and Rahm bide their time and lay the groundwork with pieces like this profile.


[ Parent ]
I'm reminded of some of the game theory studies (4.00 / 3)
where researchers were trying to decipher the "free rider" phenomena.

It turned out that the free-riding behavior spread rapidly unless checked.

They studied ways to check free-riding and in one experiment an additional option was given where the players could sacrifice some of their points/money in order to punish the free riders. That turned out to be the most successful in terms of maximizing outcomes.

The "systemic risk" argument was made that if we didn't pass the TARP the Dow would plunge 2,000 points (back when it was at 10,000).

Anytime someone argues against continued thievery, the "systemic risk" argument is brought up. But I wonder if, as with the game theory experiments, we would be better off if we manned-up and called their bluff and punished the wrongdoers, let systemic risk come if it must.

I guess it is about courage; if asked about systemic risk I always reply "I'm willing to take the hit." We need to become a more courageous people.


Bottom Line: The System IS The Risk (4.00 / 3)
They've got it exactly backwards, as usual.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
The way to solve systemic risk... (4.00 / 3)
... is to change the system.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

[ Parent ]
Boy Howdy! (4.00 / 1)
But these guys are addicted risk.

To us, it's a bug, to them, it's a feature.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I'd love to be a fly on the wall (4.00 / 8)
to see what really is going on when Team Obama discusses the financial crisis internally.

Are they putting their fingers in their ears and pretending that Krugman et. al. don't exist?  Or do they discuss their ideas and dismiss them in some way, for some reason, sound or unsound?  Do they dismiss them casually or in an more thoughtful fashion?

One of the most frustrating aspect of Clintonism for me was the way the most loyal of the Clintonites, such as Sidney Blumenthal, just to pick one name out of a hat, basically dismissed all criticism from their left as unworthy of consideration.  No such dialogue took place, and such dialogue was (and is) needed.  The Clinonites were smart people but not nearly as smart as they thought themselves to be.

I see the occasional hint from Obama indicating that that's not true, that they at least want to give the appearance of taking such ideas seriously.  But when the policy comes out, it doesn't appear that the left alternatives were given any serious consideration.

Frustrating indeed.  

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


Yes, But (4.00 / 6)
since when, exactly was Roubini a leftist?

This isn't a left/right (or even left/center) thing anymore--if ever it was.  It's sane/insane thing.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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You're going to bring this full circle, aren't you, Paul? (4.00 / 4)
How cool is that!  

Observations like this one,

Obama sticks to a strategy and sees it through, he does not abandon course easily. He chose early on to implement Geithner's plan, and he obviously is not yet convinced that [he's] mistaken. But Obama does incorporate new information, he will eventually abandon the wrong course. Obama is, however, intolerant of internal division becoming public.

really do make me crazy.  This sounds like George W. Bush.  It speaks to an insularity Paul alluded to earlier.  And, it's coming from a President who assured his supporters he was going to be open to the "outside."

The issue of illiquidity versus insolvency is an essential question to get right.  Part of the problem is the time frame in which the problem can be described.  The way Geithner plays illiquidity off against insolvency is by claiming that the assets that seem toxic right now, really aren't as toxic as they appear.  Marking them to today's market makes them seem worse than they really are.  They will have more value in the future.  Ergo, rather than examine the tapes, as Galbraith suggests, Geithner creates an artificially (my word) supported environment which provides a very strong incentive for parties to play his game of mark-to-some-future-market-that-doesn't-exist-yet.  So mark to market, as Geithner constructs it, is a mark to a monstrously distorted market created by a sleight of hand wrt time and value created out of incentives.  I don't think you could even call it an option value.

How many insolvent businesses get to say, Wait.  I don't need to go into bankruptcy.  Just float me some more cash, and I'm sure that someday my RubeGoldbergWidget will be worth more than it is now.  It seems to me that Geithner, not unlike my imaginary business owner, only delays the reckoning that is sure to come.  In the meantime, with those billions we're pumping into Citi and BoA, some fairly tacky $^!# is going down. Fer instance, the insider loans McClatchy reported on today.  


Yes (4.00 / 1)
I didn't want to quote Krugman's whole damn diary, but he does take this down, too.  He basically just sees it as a way of hiding what they're doing.  And I think that nails it perfectly.  Even Geithner isn't stupid enough to believe that explanation.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Correct, Krugman does explain that whole premise (4.00 / 2)
But, what struck me days later after I read it, was Geithner is getting away with his scam because he's gaming the variable time.  I don't think Krugman made that explicit, although I could certainly go back and check.  I don't think he can't call Geithner dishonest in the NYT.  Heck, Krugman couldn't call GWB a liar, even when he was obviously lying.  If one continually changes the definition of a key variable, how does one evaluate the model?  

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We should demand impechment proceedings (0.00 / 0)
I just emailed Conyers demanding impeachment.  

Trust No One

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Mark to Market was what they did with real estate (0.00 / 0)
It was going to continue to go up and up and up, wasn't it? So all those derivatives and insurance derivatives on the derivatives were AAA rated. A AAA rating allows you to sell them to the most staid of investment bureaucracies, eh.

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Yes, they did (0.00 / 0)
IIRC, time was an issue there as well.
Li's copula function was used to price hundreds of billions of dollars' worth of CDOs filled with mortgages. And because the copula function used CDS prices to calculate correlation, it was forced to confine itself to looking at the period of time when those credit default swaps had been in existence: less than a decade, a period when house prices soared. Naturally, default correlations were very low in those years. But when the mortgage boom ended abruptly and home values started falling across the country, correlations soared.

Do I express it correctly by saying, I see an endogeneity problem here?

Can it be said that the value assigned to real estate Its (price) was independent of the existence of a CDS?


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Krugman is a DLC tool (0.00 / 0)


Trust No One

Well, I Certainly Trust No One (4.00 / 3)
who has a "Trust No One" tag line.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
shame on you (0.00 / 0)
you know Krugman supported Clinton in the primaries, instead of  the true progressive candidate, John Edwards.

He even apologized for Bill Clinton in print after his South Carolina antics.

Trust No One


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Thanks For Confirming You Were Not To Be Trusted (0.00 / 0)
And now you're banned.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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*sigh* (0.00 / 0)
opportunity lost ;-)

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Trolls Are Like Roses (4.00 / 7)
you only get really good ones if you prune them mercilessly.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Haw (4.00 / 1)
I'll remember that one.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

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