"Insufferably Strident"

by: David Sirota

Fri Mar 27, 2009 at 11:32


Over the last few years, a lot of progressive money has gone to build "progressive media" through the Center for Independent Media - and specifically through projects like the Colorado Independent. So it's strange to me that that money is now being used to tell progressives that they are "insufferably strident" in their demands that congressional legislators vote in a mildly progressive way.

As you can see, the top-line story in the Independent this morning is headlined "Math Doesn't Add Up In Progressives' Complaints," and it features Wendy Norris citing Ron Brownstein's Atlantic.com article as proof that voters should not ask Democratic senators to take public positions on major bills like EFCA or - gasp! - actually support those bills.

Mind you, this tripe from the Independent is underwritten by progressive money.

David Sirota :: "Insufferably Strident"
The Independent was set up, of course, to do the kind of serious reporting that other Colorado publications weren't doing (and I should say, the reporting from people like David O. Williams on serious issues like energy has been absolutely fantastic). But as the Independent has been downsizing, that's not happening as much. Instead of citing public opinion data on specific issues - data that shows the public strongly supports major progressive issue positions - Norris spends her time like the worst of the laziest journalists out there, simply citing polls about how people label themselves as "proof" that progressives are being unrealistic to ask legislators to support majority positions.

As I wrote a while back in the Washington Post, polls that simply ask what people call themselves - liberal, conservative, moderate, etc. - only surveys brand names, it doesn't give you any data about where people stand on issues. And when you look at where they stand on those issues, what you see is a fairly progressive America - even in red states. That's why people like Mark Udall and Brian Schweitzer campaign for office as progressives - because they know even in so-called "red" states that's what people want on issues.*

What particularly bothers me about the Independent's piece isn't the warmed-over conventional wisdom from a lazy journalist - that's unfortunately par for the course in the media industry these days. What really gets me is that this crap is coming from an institution that bills itself as a progressive alternative, and is funded with movement progressive money. Yes, movement progressive money is going into endeavors that are telling progressives not to make demands on their legislators. It's really fucking incredible - and I'm not even going to focus on the unnecessarily ad hominem personal insult toward me.**

I mean, didn't the 2008 election teach us once and for all that progressivism is not only good policy, but good politics, even in red states? Do we really need progressive media outlets spending their dwindling resources telling progressive voters to shut the hell up? Are we really being "insufferably strident" by simply asking our legislators to take public positions on issues?

* By the way, I'm always astounded by the hubris of journalists like Norris to bill themselves as political/campaign experts and tell folks what is and is not politically possible/electorally pragmatic in a given state. I mean, I try my best not to do this, and I make that effort having actually worked years in actual campaigns in actual red states. And so the fact that journalists with no campaign experience bill themselves as campaign/political experts just strikes me as particularly idiotic.

** As a sidenote: I don't understand why Norris put "national syndicated columnist" in quotes - as if A) that's not true and/or B) that's worthy of some sort of ridicule. I worked really hard to get the column gig, and I do my damndest to make it the best I can every week - I'm not sure why that's worthy of ridicule from "progressive" media outlets.


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the most interesting aspect (0.00 / 0)
is that David can't help but mention, gasp, actual bills and issues here. Read the article again -- the author does not mention a single one.  So it is really is just laziness.  

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

Well, They Got One Thing Right (4.00 / 3)
But to disregard the principled need to represent all Coloradans and the very real calculus of electoral politics as if Udall - whose House voting record is as moderate as Rep. John Salazar - and Bennet can operate like über-liberal Sen. Patty Murray of Colorado belies common sense.

Because, of course, Patty Murray is from Washington, not Colorado.

Boy, when they start with the sloppy thinking, they just don't know how to stop, do they?

* As a sidenote: I don't understand why Norris put "national syndicated columnist" in quotes - as if A) that's not true and/or B) that's worthy of some sort of ridicule. I worked really hard to get the column gig, and I do my damndest to make it the best I can every week - I'm not sure why that's worthy of ridicule from "progressive" media outlets.

I agree with Chris that there's nothing inherently wrong with legislating out of anger.  And there's nothing wrong with writing out of anger, either.  But editing out of anger?

Not so much.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


annoying (4.00 / 1)
The article is annoying.  I don't always agree with you David, but I always find your position thoughtful and interesting.  Heck, you are willing to show up on Fox and argue progressive positions in a very hostile location.

The work you have done is shifting discourse to the left, it is yeoman's work and there will be screaming as it happens.  Just like pushing a pallet across a work shop by hand, it shrieks as the goes across the floor.  


yuck (0.00 / 0)
I stopped reading the Colorado Independent a couple months ago, because it was pissing me off on a daily basis.  I read this article and once again got the inclination to retch convulsively.  

This article is demeaning and sophomoric.  Where is the data?  or facts about specific issues?  Condescension, much?

this seriously frustrates the hell outta me.


What can be done about the money situation? (0.00 / 0)
Is there a way to plug the plug on progressive money going to this paper if that's what needs to happen? Or is there some other way the money from progressives can be leveraged so the paper better represents, you know, actual progressive values?

I can't stand how the definition of being a good liberal/progressive in so many quarters now means, "Give us your money and then STFU. We'll take care of everything." It's like a mob operation or something.


awful campaign anaylsis, also (0.00 / 0)
Instead of writing the 5,000 words necessary to point out half of what is wrong with what Norris wrote, I'm instead just going to wonder why editors taking progressive movement money are writing her checks. This is so wrong, on so many levels. If anything, the CO Independent should be paying for a long-form slap backside the head to go after such an incorrect and counterproductive mindset as Norris belies in her piece.

Public Relations Campaign (0.00 / 0)
This has all the looks of a public relations campaign on the part of "moderate" Dems.  The argument in the Independent echoes what Brownstein wrote which echos what Evan Bayh said the other day.  This malarky about ideological i.d. and electoral success.  David is exactly right, it's about issues and how members deviate from the policy preferences of their constituents not the ideological identification of their constituents!  Obama is popular, his agenda is popular, who the hell cares how many people in a district are "conservative" if they all support Obama's agenda!!!


Misleading at best (4.00 / 1)
1) Ron Brownstein is identified as a writer for the Atlantic who used to work for Ralph Nader.  That's technically true.  Brownstein worked for Nader during the Carter Administration and a bit of Reagan (1979-1983).  He's extremely well known as a reporter and hot shot political columnist for the LA Times from 1990-2007 with frequent network TV appearances.  Maybe Broder is more mainstream but not much.  This is no movement guy, thank you.

Presenting Brownstein as a lifelong lefty whose analysis therefore should not be questioned was meant to be misleading.

2) The Patty Murrray as CO not WA's famous little old lady in tennis shoes Senator.  The obvious Colorado person would have been Diana DeGette.  Duh.  I mean blazingly obvious.  Even Jared Polis might have made a little sense.

3) Ad hominem attacks.  I guess she had nothing to say.

I'm not paid.  I have been in Colorado for less than two weeks over a few occassions.  I live 2,000 miles away and I know these things.  They'd do better sending an occassional check to Square State than wasting money on this rag.


Hmmm (4.00 / 1)
I really like Wendy Norris as both a person and a writer, and she has done some excellent - and progressive - work on a wide range of issues. It would be wrong and inaccurate to paint her as someone not on our side, because 9.5 times out of 10, she is.

However, I have to agree that she is not correct in this, and "insufferably strident" really isn't a fair thing to say about you or about anyone else who is rightly criticizing Udall.

The notion that we should accept a Blue Dog because CO isn't WA (although they are actually MUCH more alike than Norris is willing to admit) is ridiculous. If we're going to build long-term progressive power then we need real progressives in precisely those kind of places - districts and states that are not strongly Democratic. That's the only way we shift the Overton Window in our direction.

Wendy Norris is a very good journalist, blogger, and progressive. She's also wrong in this instance. Such things sometimes happen.


Don't worry David (4.00 / 1)
I think you're totally sufferable. :)

Help us Optimize McCain! Use these widgets to make it crazy-easy...

She's looking for a Broder-esque job, fuck her (0.00 / 0)
the fascists have been working since they were just aristocrats - ya know, for the last 8000 years - to keep us all as doormats and asswipes and serfs.

full disclosure - I was a 28 year old 9 or 10 buck an hour cook in 1988 when clinton / dukakis et all were coming out with their 3rd way ... in the ensuing 20 years I'm STILL breaking my ass with little security of retirement, sickness or retraining, and their STILL living 6 and 7 figure incomes

losing to the fascists,
making excuses to lose.

PURGES? It ain't a fucking purge - I ain't sitting next to NO stinking sell out on the bus. The amount of effort I and we need to expend going toe to toe with fascist lackeys is bad enough - PLUS I got these goddam sell out backstabbers to contend with.

rmm.  

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