Asshole Alaskan Politician (D) Outs Top Anomymous Blogger

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Mar 28, 2009 at 20:19


Alaska's top anonymous blogger, AKMuckraker. aka "Mudflats", had her identity exposed by an abusive elected official, State Representative Mike Doogan, who apparently took offense at a critical diary, and then spent several months trying to discover who she was.  

The fact that an elected public official feels entitled to violate a private individuals privacy like this is a clear indication of his manifest unfitness for office, and it is to be hoped that his constituents will fire him at the earliest opportunity.  Since I've been writing and thinking about narcissistic personality disorder today, I can't help but see him in this light.  Here's the diagnostics, to keep in mind as you read more about him and this violation.

According to the DSM-IV, the disorder begins by early adulthood and is indicated by the subject exhibiting at least five of the following:
    1. An exaggerated sense of self-importance
    2. Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
    3. Believes he is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
    4. Requires excessive admiration
    5. Has a sense of entitlement
    6. Selfishly takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends
    7. Lacks empathy
    8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him
    9. Shows arrogant, haughty, patronizing, or contemptuous behaviors or attitudes

Her own account is here.  Phil Munger of Progressive Alaska gives his account here (including an email exchange with Doogan).  And Shannyn Moore speaks out here.

In her post, Mudflats goes all the way back to the beginning of her blog, sharing what it was like, so you can understand her POV.  I recommend you read the whole diary.  But here's where it gets serious:

Paul Rosenberg :: Asshole Alaskan Politician (D) Outs Top Anomymous Blogger
I started attending local events, rallies, debates, and trying to give my perspective.  I felt quite qualified to give my persepective and opinion.  All of us are.

But sometimes politicians don't like people who express their opinions, especially when the opinion is less than flattering, and especially when it's their own words that come back to bite them.  Mudflatters may recall back in December when Rep. Mike Doogan really got under my skin.  I had posted previously about Mr. Doogan by posting his reaction to the Palin nomination, promoting his appearance on a local radio show, and talking about the certainty of his reelection.  But I don't always agree with him. The post where I took him to task was entitled  "Are You People Nuts? Lessons in Email Etiquette."

The jist of it all, is that being really rude to people via email does not make them like you, nor does it make you look good.  And legislators have a certain vested interest in looking good.  Taking the high road when you're an elected leader is always a good plan, because flying off the handle, or mouthing off at people and insulting them results in the dreaded....bad press, and bad public opinion.  Neither of those things helps the political goals of being liked, and being  reelected.

But here's where it gets interesting.  After the initial opinion piece in Mudflats, I started hearing from fellow bloggers that Mike Doogan was trying to figure out who I was.  It seemed strange to me, because really, all I'd done was take his own words and actions and comment on them.  Anyone was perfectly free to disagree, or comment on the piece.  "He's rabid," one blogger told me.  Wow.  Rabid?  I guess I struck a nerve.  Over the past few months, I've had other messages through the grapevine that he was trying to figure out who I am.

I have to confess, that while I understand the curiosity factor, the fact that an elected representative was this preoccupied with the identity of an anonymous blogger had me puzzled.  He wrote a piece for the Alaska Dispatch talking about "accountability".  The thought was that if I was anonymous, I was not accountable.  In what way, I wondered.  I'm not a journalist.  I'm just, as we established before, me.  This is my opinion.  If he were around, we could ask the "anonymous blogger" of his day, Benjamin Franklin what he thought about this.  Using the "screen name" Mrs. Silence Dogood, Franklin was able to put out thoughts and ideas that were weighted on their own merits, not attached to a particular person.  Sometimes it's easier, if you don't want to think, to attack the person, rather than the idea.  I think Franklin would heartily approve of anonymous bloggers.

Not to mention, of course, the authors of the Federalist Papers.  What does Doogan think?  We should ignore them because they published anonymously?  They were somehow "illegitimate"?

Of course not.  He thinks no such thing.  He's just an infantile jerk who's feelings were hurt because somebody dared to point out he was acting sort of foolish, and he spent months just looking for revenge.

Even if he's not a clinically defined malignant narcissist, he's still clearly mentally unfit for office.  He needs to go.  And so does any other public official with a similarly skewed view of his own self-importance vs. the importance of members of the public whom he is sworn to serve.

Just to make perfectly clear how sick he is, you can check out the email exchange Phil Munger posted.  You can see it began because Doogan appeared to be doing something laudable, but even with that auspicious beginning it didn't take long for him to establish himself as a total asshole.  Here is Munger's first email:

Dear Rep. Doogan,

Although I wasn't one of the many concerned Alaskans who have written to you about possible executive ethics actions being addressed by the upcoming session of the Alaska Legislature, I've had an opportunity to read a response you sent out to a number of people who had sent similar mailings to you. One part of this communication from you interested me:

   Third, I intend to move forward with legislation to prevent a
   re-occurrence of some of the problematic behavior that has arisen
   from the mess commonly called Troopergate. That legislation will
   define more closely what is a public document and seek to prevent
   public officials from shielding their communications by using
   private email accounts, and the state from stifling public access
   by charging an arm and a leg.

This is an excellent idea, Rep. Doogan!

I would like to recommend that you consider also looking at tightening travel regulations for the members of the chief executive's family. Gov. Palin's trip to New York City in 2008 with one of her daughters, to speak very briefly on one day, then spend the work week in a pricey hotel with her child, at taxpayers' expense, shouldn't merely be unauthorized, I feel it should be criminal activity entered into the "fraud" statutes of Title 11.

I am also disturbed to read of Todd Palin's access to confidential personnel files and other sensitive materials, as described by ex-commissioner Walt Monegan, in his statements to investigator Steven Branchflower.

Although I am not a constituent, as an officer of the Alaska Democratic Party, I eagerly await your reply to my earnest query.

Sincerely,

Philip Munger

To this, Doogan responded:

Philip:

Read your email. Thanks for sending it. You expressed several opinions, but asked no question. So what query would you like me to
respond to?

Mike

Munger responded with a well-organized, detailed reply.  Doogan replied:

Phil:

Thanks, that's a much better set of questions. Now, why are you asking? Running low on fodder for your blog? And if it's not for the blog, why are you asking me instead of your own representative?

Mike

PS: Who writes the Mudflats blog?

Munger responds with a long, respectful email, exlaining his concerns as a citizen and activist, along with the reason he's writing Doogan:  

Mike,

I'm asking because you are the first member of the House who has expressed interest in any of the issues I feel fall under the general cover of executive ethics reform, to the point of beginning to articulate a proposed bill.

If you check with Kay Brown, you'll find out that I have expressed explicit interest in the issue that you brought up in the email I referenced, since the issuance of the Branchflower Report. She can also verify that I hoped as early as mid-October, to interest Democratic Party legislators in taking the mantle of so-called "reform" away from Sarah Palin between now and May, 2009.

I feel you and I both have the responsibility of keeping her away from ever again getting as close to national office as she came between August 29th and November 4th, 2008. As you may know, Rep. Doogan, your district went for Obama by over 200 votes.

In regard to why I don't bring this up with Carl, - I have.

Although I like Carl Gatto and his wife as neighbors, I feel he will do little to bring executive branch legislation to the fore. I'll be back in touch with him about this between now and the opening of the 2009 session.

As a Democrat, and as one who seeks to help build a Democratic Party majority in the Alaska legislature, I hope members of my party in the legislature can be at the forefront of needed reform legislation, whether it be of the executive branch, or more fine tuning of your own branch.

I am not "running low on fodder for [my] blog." As you've probably figured out, I posted my initial letter to you on this at Progressive Alaska. But at this point, I only hope to develop a constructive dialog with you on reform legislation, with a final goal of helping our legislature getting it passed, and am only hoping at this point, to be able to put a far more positive face on how you're dealing with this than have others.

I've had my blog for almost 14 months now. Some of my readers have a higher regard for it than does the proprietor. I try to learn from my readers and from those who comment, and to make headway in the craft of essay writing. Unlike legislators and ADN columnists, I get to swear openly from time to time.

He then adds:

A friend of mine writes the Mudflats blog. He or she lives in a neighboring district of yours, not mine. There is concern that to go public might be detrimental to Mudflats' professional and/or business situation.

Doogan responds:

Phil:

Thanks for the response.

I think that if blogging might be detrimental to the "professional and/or business situation" of the person writing Mudlfats, then he/she shouldn't be doing it. But even if it is, are your arguing that it's okay for people to stand in the shadows and shout into the public debate? What next? Hoods and torches?

How does you keeping this person's name a secret comport with your "let's put everything on the blog" ethic? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth, Phil. As long as you are going to pick and choose what information you make public, there's really no reason for me to communicate with you.

Good luck with your own representative.

Mike

So, there you are!  After all that, Doogan blows of answering any of Munger's questions, as accuses him of being duplicitous. "talking out of both sides of your mouth."

Phil can't quite believe it, possibly.  Or just wants to be sure:

Rep. Doogan,

You indicated earlier that you wanted my interest framed as questions. Now you seem to indicate you don't intend to answer them. Or am I misreading your statements, "As long as you are going to pick and choose what information you make public, there's really no reason for me to communicate with you," and "Good luck with your own representative"?

Phil

And Doogan responds, pretty sealing the deal on his asshole status, if not a full-on NPD diagnosis:

Phil:

Sorry if I only indicated that I would not answer them. I will not answer them for you.

Mike

We should be very clear.  People like this should not be representing us.  They are not mentally, emotionally or morally competent.  They are, in fact, downright evil.  They represent a very small percentage of the human race, and it seems likely we will know how to prevent them from being created (via abusive treatment in childhood) so that we can rid ourselves of them within a generation or two.  But for now, nothing less than public shunning will do.  And holding office is totally out of the question.

At the end of her post Mudflats writes:

And with that, Mudflatters, I need to take a little time off to assess things, and take stock of how life will be changing for me and my family.

We can all understand that.  But we can also wish for a speedy return to blogging.  We don't want Doogan feeling an ounce of satisfaction for what he's done.

And as for Mudflats herself: Illegitimi non carborundum!


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Evil? (0.00 / 0)
Lets maybe reserve that word for people who deserve it.  This guy is an asshat and a douchebag, sure.  But he's not Evil (as far as I know).

Yes, Evil (4.00 / 3)
Lack of empathy is the essence of evil.  The only thing restraining such a one is what he thinks he can get away with.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Well yes and no... (0.00 / 0)
Evil is not a quantitative factor... I'm not sure if your intention of that statement was to present it as such... if so, that's a bit misleading to do.  

There are many philosophical definitions of evil.  The one you state is definately a valid one... made famous by Dr Gilbert Gustav at the Nuremberg trials.   Its been a while since I read his diary, but I am pretty sure that line was in the Nuremberg movie.    

Not disagreeing with the sentiment, just that your reply to Brillo seems to imply your opinion (or really Gustav's opinion) is the only correct one.  Although I'm not so sure I'd call it evil... unless one allows for different levels of evil.  I mean, what he did was reprehensible, but there are FAR worse people out there... people who kill, rape, cheat millions, etc.   Since your statement on Evil stems from Nuremberg, I don't think Doogan is on the level of the Nazis.   But again, the definition of Evil is qualitative, so its an interesting philosophical debate.

Either way... Evil or not...   The guy is a douche.    


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The Point Is (4.00 / 3)
Without empathy he is capable of all that and more.

I am quite amenable to judging people leniently, in fact I'd say that I'm biased that way.  I've always been opposed to the death penalty, and I'm strongly in favor of restitution as a form of punishment.  But I also believe one has to recognize when one is confronting someone devoid of conscience, because then the rules are completely different.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I guess my point is this... (0.00 / 0)
You are basing a judgement on a small set of data... in this case his actions against a blogger that for whatever reason pissed him off.    

Do we really know he lacks empathy?  Do you have a larger set of examples that show this recurrent pattern?   Do we have first hand accounts to multiple acts of lacking empathy?    

That's all I'm say.  I'm certainly open to the fact he could be an Evil SOB who has no empathy for anyone.   And I certainly think what he did was wrong.  He's a douche.  He should be thrown out of office.  

I just don't think there is enough evidence presented to truly call a person evil based on this one set of actions.  Now show me examples where he took money away from orphans and widows, where he has gone after people over and over, and I think the case is made.  

But evil is a harsh term.  It's akin to calling someone a racist or homophobe or misogynist.  While I think people easily are capable of making racist/homophobic/misogynistic comments out of ignorance, I don't think that necessarily makes them a racist/homophobe/misogynist.  A repeated pattern of this behavior does, IMHO.  Same with the term evil.   Repeated behavior makes someone evil.    

Although in truth, my guess is if we DID have all the evidence, you would probably be right in this mans case.


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Good and Evil (4.00 / 1)
My reality based moral compass says good equals selflessness (doing for others) and evil equals selfishness (doing for self, especially at the expense of others).  That might sound black and white, but there is plenty of room for shades of gray.  There aren't arch-villains in the real world, just people who behave selfishly.

This act, seems like a violation to me.


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mental fitness (4.00 / 2)
The requirement of "mental fitness" for participation in civic life is almost always abusive. And medical diagnosis by remote is very dubious, remember Doctor Frist? Dressing it up with DSM IV quotes doesn't help.

The guy is an asshole, and if he is unfit he is unfit for abusing his office. Let the voters make up their mind on that basis.


This Sounds Reasonable, But (4.00 / 2)
it fails to really assimilate the information about how narcissism--along with other personality disorders--works.  Narcissists are very good at manipulation and deceiving people.  That's why it's important to get this sort of very specific information out.  Both what he did, and what constitutes NPD.

Comparing this to Frist is really an apples to oranges situation.  Email is email, and I'm not pretending to be a doctor.  But the point is, this is not about making a medical diagnosis.  If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and squawks like a duck, then the prudent thing to do for the sake of our democracy is to conclude that it probably is a duck.

Lots of people act like assholes from time to time, but only about 1% of the population have NPD.  There's a big difference.  Almost as big as the difference between a fan and a stalker.

Of course the voters are going to have to make up their minds, what else did you think I was talking about?  I'm not Michelle Bachmann, you know.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Paul, I'm a fan of a lot of what you write, but... (4.00 / 4)
...I personally have a real problem with people trying to use the DSM as part of general political discourse.  Though I haven't used it in some time, I have actual training in how to use and utilize the DSM, and I treat it as a serious document with serious ramifications.  If you just refer to the guy as a narcissist, I wouldn't object, but the minute you try to medicalize the discussion in such detail, we're in a whole different realm.

I probably have better things to do with my time than this.

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I Agree It's A Serious Document With Serious Ramifications (4.00 / 1)
And so is what Doogan did.

I would very much welcome hearing your substantive thoughts, particularly in light of your training.  My "training" is limited to direct encounters with the critters.  I'm sure I would learn a lot from you.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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One small point- (0.00 / 0)
NPD, as it's been explained to me by professionals, doesn't arise only from abusive parenting but rather can also arise from neglect and extreme inconsistency in a crucial developmental stage. The etiology hasn't been firmly pinned down to a single factor. Given that a picture of parental absence, more than abuse per se, is often painted in biographies of aristocratic figures, this strikes me as not incidental.  

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Good Point, But (4.00 / 1)
My understanding is that brutal punishment was pretty much a social norm until quite recently, so they probably had both.

But you're right that we're still far from having causes sorted out, given the variances in temperament and physiology that infants start out with, they're bound to have significant differences in how sensitive vs. resilient they are, so just where do the borders of "abuse" lie, anyways?  We're at the point of discerning the large-scale patterns, not the fine detail.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I'm not going to discuss NPD in this context (4.00 / 1)
If you want to chat about it in a general context, drop me an e-mail; I'm glad to talk about it with you.  I'm not going to talk about it in the context of discussing whether or not it applies to a real person.  

If you want to talk about it in respect to whether or not it applies to a fictional person, I can do that :)

I probably have better things to do with my time than this.


[ Parent ]
Who Did You Have In Mind? (0.00 / 0)
If you want to talk about it in respect to whether or not it applies to a fictional person, I can do that :)


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Hell, we could have all sorts of conversations about... (0.00 / 0)
...any of Joss Wheedon's characters in terms of psychiatric disorders.

I probably have better things to do with my time than this.

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ANY? Even The "Dolls" In Dollhouse? (0.00 / 0)
That seems rather a challenge, since their personalities are constantly being "wiped."

You can't have a personality disorder if you don't have a personality.

But I must say I am very perplexed by Boyd.  He's clearly empathetic, but he's working for human traffickers.

What?

We ever going to get a backstory on him?

Silly question.  But...  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Especially the dolls... (0.00 / 0)
...what would motivate someone to agree to be used like that for five years?  What happens when their memories of self start to return?  Clearly they're not wiped.  They're just repressed via an external means.  We know they're not "wiped" because aspects of their memories sometimes bleed through.

I probably have better things to do with my time than this.

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Sure They're Wiped--Just Not Quite Wiped "Clean"! (0.00 / 0)
(How exactly does "wiped" differ from "repressed via an external means"? C'mon!)

And as for what would make someone agree to it, well, we're finally just getting our first inklings of that, now, aren't we?

But, hey, it would be more fun to be wrong if you could tell me about the personalities of our three main doll characters.  Have at it!

And what's your scoop on Boyd, while you're at it?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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"Diagnosis by duck" is bunk (4.00 / 2)
Sorry Paul, while I quite agree with your assessment that Doogan for unfit for office, I also strongly endorse the criticism by other commenters that "DSM diagnosis from afar" is wholly inappropriate. Your assertions about similarities to a duck don't make it any better; your attempt at an inference from looking, walking and squawking to the "prudent conclusion" that Mike Doogan probably has narcissistic personality disorder is insidious. Claims about psychiatric disorders from authors who are not in a position to diagnose them is, unfortunately, a rhetorical figure that is not uncommon among pundits and bloggers (Charles Krauthammer is a prominent perpetrator, think about that). It is time we all learned to cease and desist from it, altogether, once and for all. You can count on me as a commenter who is ready and willing to take authors to task for doing that, no matter what the context, and no matter who the author or "diagnosee" is.

Imagine if someone you never met, sitting somewhere halfway across the world, wrote in public that Paul Rosenberg's behavior resembles that of a sociopath, "therefore" it is "prudent to conclude" that he is a sociopath. Do you see the fundamental illogic and unfairness? That goes for any argument of that form.

If you see legitimate concerns about Doogan's fitness for office, then it is appropriate to call on him to undergo a psychiatric evaluation. And really, that says everything you need to say, and I wouldn't disagree with you. But until and unless such an evaluation is performed, you are not warranted in suggesting what its results might be. That might seem like a minor distinction, but it is crucially important, enough so that it has to be scrupulously observed.

This principle is important enough to me that I'd like to put in a box:

It is never appropriate or prudent to conclude that someone exhibits a psychiatric or personality disorder, as defined in the DSM, unless a formal evaluation has been performed that warrants such a conclusion.


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Thanks, I Guess, But You're Ignoring Context Here (4.00 / 1)
It's good that folks are sensitive to the potential for abuse, and of course that potential is particularly pernicious since it tends to jump over all contextual boundaries.  That said, however, I try to be rather careful, even in the midst of ranting (or at least, editing my rants before hitting the publish button), to be mindful of those contextual bounds.

In this case, I am arguing about how a public official abusing his power ought to be viewed.  This entails a different standard of judgment than with a private individual.  What might or might not be prudent in the latter case is not necessarily the same in the former.

What I am doing here is obviously not clinical diagnosis.  But it is a far more specific form of public warning than simply calling someone "a douchebag."  The DSM traits listed constitute a much more specific guide for tracking and evaluating his behavior, which all his constituents and other political actors who have contact with him can use.  It is clear that their collective judgment will be the determining factor here, not anything that I might do or say.  And that is how it should be.

While I appreciate the warning not become like Charles Krauthammer, I think there's little chance of that, as I haven't resorted to psychologizing instead of confronting the argument presented by Doogan, nor do I have any pretense of professional expertise I am playing with here.  My argument about Doogan's psychology is not meant to trump anything else--Mudflats' own invocation of Ben Franklin has already refuted whatever "argument" Doogan thinks he is making.  Rather, it is meant to supplement what others are already observing.

That may be, as you would say, "a minor distinction, but it is crucially important."  I never rely on such arguments to take the place of a robust substantive discussion, provided there is one to be had.

Still, I welcome such warnings, as I agree that the potential for abuse is quite real.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I have a different interpretation of Doogan's behavior (4.00 / 2)
He sounds like a bitter factory worker whose job was replaced by increased mechanization or was moved overseas.  He's a veteran newspaper guy who seems to hate blogs, just like Buzz Bissinger's infamous rant against sports blog Deadspin editor Will Leitch.  Doogan probably thinks that most bloggers fit that description of narcissistic personality disorder.  He's lashing out, like Michael Douglas in Falling Down.

Overall, I don't like the approach of armchair analysis of people you disagree with as mentally ill.  It seems straight out of Michel Foucault's Madness and Civilization. [Disclaimer: It must be nearly a decade since I last read Foucault.]  If you can successfully define someone else as non-rational, then their opinions don't matter.  We've begun by creating a metaphorical asylum in which to throw hardcore conservatives.  I suspect that the occasional framing of the current American political struggle as the white South vs the rest of the country is partly out of a subconscious desire to give the social construct of a "conservative asylum" some physical boundaries.

This is a tactic also used by the right wing.  For example, Palestinians or Muslims or similar groups are defined as inherently crazy.  (Some people, perhaps Doogan himself, say the same thing about bloggers.)  By defining a group as irrational, one places them beyond the ability to challenge conventional wisdom.  But it's not a tactic that is conservative in nature.  It's a tactic that I would characterize as human in nature.

This isn't meant as a defense of Doorgan--he was wrong to use government resources to publicly out a blogger--but I think bringing up NPD unnecessarily and inaccurately simplifies things to fit into a narrative that divides America into the progressive movement and a metaphorical asylum of conservatives and other crazies who are unfit to participate in democratic government.

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A Good Warning, But Not Really Applicable (4.00 / 1)
It's always a good idea to remember not to get carried away, particularly with analytical methods that can end up justifying ignoring what others have to say.  That's one reason, actually, that I've engaged in much less discussion of psychology over the years than I otherwise would have.

I've always believed that one should first deal with arguments substantively, and only after that look to psychological explanations.  But, after years and years online, dealing with the same zombie arguments over and over and over again, it began to seem needlessly masochistic on my part not to just cut to the chase.

In this case, however, there isn't even that.  Doogan isn't really making any argument.  The "accountability" babbling doesn't come close to qualifying as an actual argument.  He never appears to have attempted debating Mudflats or anyone else about it.  He just needed a justification in his own mind, came up with one that he thought sounded good (despite Ben Franklin and the Federalist Papers) and ran with it.  So psychological analysis is all he really merits.

Again, I appreciate the spirit and intent of this warning.  And I welcome you to offer it again in the future, as I am sure you will.  But I think one cannot simply ignore the psychological any more than you can automatically go to it without any sort of good faith examination of what someone is saying, first.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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amazing (4.00 / 2)
I'm pretty critical of some Iowa Democrats and have gotten some flack for it, but they've never outed me even though they know who I am in real life.

No matter how bad your Democrats in positions of power seem, somewhere somebody else's Democrats are worse...

Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.


Narcissists may make up only 1% (4.00 / 2)
of the population, but there are grossly over-represented in certain fields, like politics.

I agree with you that the better we learn to recognize and deal with these folks, the better of we'll all be.

Montani semper liberi


And something else I have to add (4.00 / 1)
is that the one good thing about narcissists is no one likes them, not really.

They have no friends they have only past victims and current victims. When the current victims learn from the past victims that it possible to stand up to them and live, it's the beginning of the end for that particular narcissist.

Let's hope Doogan has reached that point.

Montani semper liberi


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Amen! (4.00 / 1)
He's getting called out all over the intertubes.  And it's winter time in Alaska, still.  So lots of quality blogging time, methinks.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Outing an anonymous blogger (0.00 / 0)
Where is it written that anonymous bloggers -- aka cowards -- have privacy rights.  

Mudflats was not anonymous, (4.00 / 1)
she was psuedonymous. There is a difference.

If you don't understand the importance of psuedonymous writers in preserving and advancing the cause of liberty, you need to read more American history.

Montani semper liberi


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You Can Tell How Pissed I Was (0.00 / 0)
I am usually quite careful to distinguish between anonymous and psuedonymous.

This time, not so much.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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psuedonymous! (0.00 / 0)
Give me break, she withheld her name from the public, which indicates she had neither the courage nor the conviction to stand by her words.

Just Like Those Wusses Who Wrote The Federalist Papers! (4.00 / 1)
Darn tootin!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Mudflats is not the issue. (4.00 / 1)
She follows in a long and honorable tradition, of which you are appallingly ignorant.

Doogan, on the other hand is petty and vindictive, with no sense of boundaries and clearly not to be trusted with power. Good thing we found that out now, before he climbed any higher up the ladder.

Montani semper liberi


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courage and conviction (0.00 / 0)
Thomas Paine set the bar. People who can't meet that standard can crawl under it

Paine And Franklin Were Good Friends (4.00 / 1)
as well as political allies.  I have no doubt that Paine would scorn you for trying to use him to slander his friend.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Do you mean Thomas Paine, (0.00 / 0)
aka "A Continental Farmer?" or "A Lover of Order?"

Thomas Paine used pseudoymns, too, you fool.

You really do not want to talk about Doogan, do you? Not that I can blame you, what he did is reprehensible.

Montani semper liberi


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courage and conviction (0.00 / 0)
You are ignoring the fact that Thomas Paine stood by his words by signing his name. Ms. Mudflat decided to publicly criticize Mike Doogan, while hiding behind a false name -- and then whined about it when he exposed her identity.

Doogan may -- or may not be -- a disreputable individual, but that's irrelevant. By deciding to become an anonymous snipe, Ms. Mudflat abandoned any claim she may have had to the moral high ground.


no, actually (4.00 / 3)
She didn't.  It wasn't a "false" name, which implies she lied about her identity.  She, like every psuedononymous author, presents arguments that the reader can accept or reject based on their merit, instead of the assumed credibility of the writer.

Your whole position seems to be that by refusing to identify yourself, no one should take anything you say with any credibility.   The history of pseudononymous authors shows this to be false.  Plenty of people had very important and useful things to say without revealing their real identities.  Were Riverbend's writings about Iraq untrue or useless because we don't know her real name?  

You can ignore the vast realm of pseudononymous authors if you choose, but don't expect everyone else to agree it is "cowardly" for ordinary citizens to protect themselves from retribution for their views when critiquing the powerful.  Speaking truth to power is difficult enough without imposing a court-room standard to it.


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Now You're Just Flat-Out LYING (4.00 / 1)
Mudflat didn't decided "to become an anonymous snipe."  You can read the linked diary above, and read the whole history of how she became a popular blogger, and it has nothing to do with sniping.

By doggedly taking the side of a scumbag, and ignoring, rather than refuting the arguments raised against your position, you're making yourself appear more and more like him.

If she'd been circulating false and malicious rumors about him, that would something altogether different.  But she was doing nothing of the sort, and the way you speak of her makes it appear as if she did.  And that's just malicious misrepresentation on your part.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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It's not irrelevant what Doogan did. (0.00 / 0)
He is an elected official, invested with the full authority of a US congressman.

The fact that he is unworthy of this public trust is very, very relevant.

Montani semper liberi


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It wasn't a false name (0.00 / 0)
Ms. Mudflat stated that "I had no particular desire for anyone to know it was coming from me.." There's no doubt that she intended to hide her identity.

Ms. Mudflat isn't Alaska's Riverbend and Mike Doogan's supporters aren't likely to behead Ms. Mudflat and slaughter her family  for "dissing" him.

Fearful "ordinary citizens" are the reason Bush and company turned this country into a de facto dictatorship.



Good Lord, You're An IDIOT! (0.00 / 0)
Blaming George Bush on one of the most consciencious bloggers out there.

Well, you're trying to convince people here, and I'm pretty sure you've succeeded--in convincing them you're an idiot.

Unless, of course, you're Doogan himself, using a false ID.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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That's what I'm beginning to suspect, too. (0.00 / 0)
It makes perfect sense that Doogan blames all the negative publicity he's received on Mudflats. And of course he would be petty enough to pursue the issue even into the comments section of another blog.

Notice he doesn't really respond to anything anyone says, he just keep talking about Mudflats and saying she deserves what she got? If that's not a criminal returning to the scene of a crime I don't know what is.

Montani semper liberi


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you have this completely backwards (4.00 / 2)
If we did it your way, and only bloggers who were willing to go public were allowed to contribute there would have been many fewer bloggers resisting the Bush Administration.

Shit, people were afraid to put Kerry stickers on their car in 2004 for fear of being keyed or harassed by cops.  

There is some value in putting your name behind something, but as someone who only did so a year ago, it is a scary prospect and I don't call anyone coward who's afraid of the consequences.  Anonymity and pseudonominity can certainly be abused, but its existence is not by itself proof of "sniping" or any of the pejorative terms you apply to mudflats.

You know, voting is done anonymously too.  The most important act of exercising your voice in the direction of society is completely unaccountable "sniping" and "cowardly."  


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Who's the idiot? (0.00 / 0)
You obviously have a problem comprehending the written word or following a hyperlink.    

And you obviously do not want to talk about anything other (4.00 / 1)
than how Mudflats had it coming. Funny, that.

Montani semper liberi

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