Calling Out the "Pressure from the Antiwar Left" Narrative

by: Matt Stoller

Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 10:39


I'm beginning to tire of the notion that there has been some great pressure brought to bear by the antiwar base of the Democratic Party. 

In the Senate, the crucible of the debate, many Republicans have grown increasingly skeptical of the president's policy, though they are unwilling to go as far Democrats. And Democratic leaders, determined to end the war on their terms and under intense pressure from their antiwar base, have refused to yield enough ground to accommodate them.

In reality, the antiwar base has been as meek as lambs to the Democratic Party.  First of all, the idea that there is nothing the Democrats can or could have done to stop the war is simply nonsense.  The Bush administration admits as much in an article in the Washington Post on dissent around the surge strategy when it was first announced.

"There was a real question about whether we'd be able to do this at all," said a White House aide. Within five weeks, the House had voted to oppose the troop buildup, and Democratic leaders were vowing to tie Bush's hands. Most worrisome was the discontent among Republicans. "It could have potentially strangled this strategy in the crib," Wehner said.

The Democrats could have stopped it.  They didn't.  Democrats like Joe Biden are saying there's nothing they can do to stop the war, and progressives like Barbara Boxer are echoing his point.  The narrative undergirding a lot of the stories here are that Democrats are under pressure from their antiwar base, but are standing up to it.  That is a false narrative.  Politicians respond to pressure, and that means the backsliding we've seen over the past six months is a result of the Democrats not feeling pressure on Iraq, or more likely, feeling more from elites and the right than from the Democratic base.  When you look at the Presidential context, this is basically indisputable.  Democratic base voters think that the leading candidates will withdraw all troops from Iraq, which is simply untrue.  While the argument that Democrats in Congress are boxed in by procedural contraints holds some water, there is no conceivable reason why Democratic Presidential candidates should support keeping troops in Iraq... unless they really just want to keep troops in Iraq.  That this mass deception is allowed to continue suggests that there is very little pressure on Democrats to end the war.

Moveon, for instance, has run one ad against Brian Baird, which was an extremely small purchase.  By contrast, the White House approved group Freedom Watch is spending $15 million targeting Republicans, including an incredibly quick response helping Brian Baird.  And though I have heard compliments from insiders about going after Baird, the anger at the Bush Dog campaign, which is simply designed to offer criticism, is remarkable.  Anonymous Democratic aides are now yelping, 'what in the world are they thinking', as if offering pressure in the form of criticism and primary challenges is completely novel.  And in fact, it is.  There is still no organized funded campaign to recruit antiwar or progressive primary challengers (paging 'They Work for Us').

But it goes beyond primary challenges.  Joe Biden went on Meet the Press yesterday and said there is nothing Democrats can do to end the war, and that he will vote for funding no matter what.  He's up for reelection in 2008, and he's running for President.  There was not one statement attacking Biden for his hawkish stance.  This is consistent.  The very liberal George Miller has echoed the line of funding the troops, and only Markos is pushing back on the Presidentials refusing to talk about the next supplemental; funding the troops, which is exactly 100% the wrong frame, is the message of the Democratic Party, and there is zero organized pushback.

If we can't get the Presidential candidates to even have a debate about troop levels in Iraq, don't tell me there's an antiwar movement in this country putting pressure on the Democrats. 

Now, what this means is that we do start putting pressure on Democratic leaders, it's going to draw squeals very quickly.  There's a lot of upside here.  Moreover, the strategy of the antiwar movement has been to pressure the Republicans, assuming good faith behavior by Democratic insiders.  That was a strategy that has helped move numbers against Republicans, and it has usefully showed Democratic leaders to be acting in bad faith.  Now that the argument has been made, it's incumbent upon all of us to genuinely begin putting pressure on Democratic leaders, especially the Presidential canddiates, as aggressively as possible.

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September 15, 2007 Washington DC (0.00 / 0)
Or in your own home town.

Take to the streets and apply some good ol' fashioned "political pressure".


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


But how much pressure does taking to the streets really exert? (0.00 / 0)
I'm for it, mind you, but let's not overestimate it.

Street demonstrations in the 60s were powerful for 2 reasons.  (1)  Lyndon Johnson fed on a myth of consensus, and demonstrations put the lie to that; and (2) we didn't just "take to the streets."  We took OVER the streets, to varying degrees.  But by the end, even huge marches were reduced to bus trip logistics with the SWP (Bolshevik vanguardists that they were) making sure that we keep to the sidewalks.

Today, big demos are highly scripted spectacles, and unless more FOCUSED LEADERSHIP is provided at them than the usual grab bag of nice exhortations to keep doing more of the same with renewed vigor, it's arguable whether the political pressure they exert is worth more than the business-as-usual hangover the next morning.

A big problem is that there is no consensus on what that focused leadership should be, and in the absence of that, good ideas are lost in the crowd.

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I completely agree (0.00 / 0)
Completely.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Only when ... (4.00 / 1)
we can fund serious primary challenges ... to people like Baird ... or Biden ... or other out of touch DC Democrats .. will things change ... because there is one thing those in DC fear and respect .. and that is power ... and with out money ... you have very little power ... what is telling is the Dem staffers on Capitol Hill that are crying to Stoller ... if the Dems were doing the right thing .. we wouldn't be having this problem ... the more the Hill staffers wine .. the more it firms up my belief that there really is such a thing as the "Beltway Fog" ... that those inside the Beltway think they know what is good for the great unwashed .. uneducated masses outside of the Beltway

There is nothing Democrats can do to end the war. (0.00 / 0)
That's not to say we shouldn't try--for both moral and political reasons--but despite the unimpeachable word of a Bush aide, there's no way for the Dems to end this.

A Faustian Bargain (4.00 / 1)
The price Democratic voters pay for the strategy of electing Democrats at all costs is that they have virtually no power over the people they elect. Have protests in the streets all you want.  Sign as many petitions as you want.  Call the elected official's switchboard all you want.  They know, in the end, that you will vote for them no matter what they do, because they are Democrats.

Knowing you believe that preventing another Republican from taking office is the most important thing you can do, Democratic office-holders are free to respond to REAL pressures that can hurt them: the MSM and big corporate donors.

Until we can let go of the Democratic Party, progressives will have very little influence over its direction.

Barry


This Is Silly (4.00 / 2)
Did the conservative movement gain control of the GOP by letting go of it?

Things go in stages.  Winning back control of Congress meant supporting all Dems.  But even then it didn't mean ducking out of primary fights.  Now, however, there's a need to shift focus.

Not abandon ship.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Not so silly (0.00 / 0)
Did the Republican Party adopt a triangulation strategy and decide to go after the "center"?

Why are elected Democrats so singularly unresponsive to their constituents, and the polls? The facts demonstrate how little influence voters have over them.

I don't recall saying that anyone should duck out of a primary fight.

How can I abandon the Democratic ship, when I'm not on board it in the first place?

This is very elementary power dynamics. I learned it in Sociology class; I learned it in Political Science class; I learned it in Psychology class; I learned it from a Marriage Counelor/Management Consultant.  The party who needs a relationship/contract/commitment more has more power than the other party. Democratic voters have come to the conclusion that they need Democrats in office more than they need progressive policies enacted.

Winning back control of Congress does not mean supporting all Dems, for a progressive. Supporting all Dems means driving Republicans out.  But are we moving in a progressive direction yet?

I would recommend a tactic that David Sirota suggested some time ago:  keep a list of the Democrats who most often vote against the interests of their constituents.  When they run for re-election, drive them out of office. 

You must teach Democrats not to take your votes for granted, if you want them to work for your votes.  That's what I mean by letting the party go.  You must create a situation where the Democrats need you more than you need them.

Barry



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simple policy (0.00 / 0)
If the Democratic nominee supports leaving residual troops, he or she gets my vote but not my enthusiasm, i.e., telling others to vote for him or her.

If the Democratic nominee supports or threatens military action against Iran, they don't get my vote.

Make all the pseudo-sophisticated arguments you want.  That's where I stand.

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Yes, As A Matter of Fact, They Did (0.00 / 0)
Did the Republican Party adopt a triangulation strategy and decide to go after the "center"?

I know he's really obscure, but I managed to dig up a link on Wikipedia: President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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In the 50s (0.00 / 0)
I guess I thought it understood that we were discussing the strategies of the current political parties. I apologize if I did not make that clear.

Barry


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You Need A Grasp Of History (0.00 / 0)
to understand anything in politics.  The Republicans did not become like they are overnight.  They were once a good deal more centrist.  They are now actually to the right of their constituents. (See Off-Center by Hacker and Pierson).

These things don't change overnight, and they don't change by throwing your hands up in the air.  They change as a result of long-term organizing.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Do we have the luxury of time? (0.00 / 0)
"They change as a result of long-term organizing."

I'm not disagreeing with you, but can we really wait that long?

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Who's Talking About Waiting? (0.00 / 0)
I've been banging the drum for a couple of weeks now for a national battleground district strategy.  It's precisely the sort of thing that could be highly effective in the 2008 election if we started working on it now.  And it's feasible precisely because it builds on a lot of previous organizing that goes back a long ways.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Definition issue (0.00 / 0)
When I see "long-term", I think of a 5-10 year plan, or even the 30 year scale of someone like Dick Cheney and his "let's build an imperial presidency" effort. I'm pretty sure the neo-con junta has been salivating over getting a large, relatively permanent US military presence into Iraq for over 25 years.  I guess those are "eternity-term".

By my mind, the 2008 election is "short-term".


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Yes, But... (0.00 / 0)
I agree with you 100% about the time-frame.  But just because you're thinking in a longer term doesn't mean you have to wait to start having an impact.  And since most people are interested in doing something now, I like to think in terms of short-term strategies that have a inherent long-term logic.

That's what this is all about: putting something in place that can start having an impact by 2008.  But that doesn't mean its primary focus is that election cycle.  To the contrary, its focus is to provide a long-term counter-force in opposition to the elite Beltway consensus.  The focus on the 2008 election is simply to weigh in with sufficient weight to begin changing direction, and to give people a significantly more substantive way to express themselves.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Thanks for clarifying (0.00 / 0)


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Thanks for your feedback (0.00 / 0)
I'll get right on reading about this "history" you speak of.  I'd never heard of it before you starting dripping your scorn on me.

Barry

PS Scorn isn't refutation, even in online debate.


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I'm Sorry To Have Given You That Impression (0.00 / 0)
I was a bit impatient in my first comment, because it seemed way too short-sighted to me.

But that wasn't the case with my second comment.  I thought you made a good point, and I responded with a counter-point, which I thought was equally valid.

I was just trying to be brief and to the point, but obviously it didn't come off that way.  So, I'm sorry I gave that impression.  It wasn't my intention.

I find the current Dem establishment every bit as infuriating as you do.  I just think we need to be as smart, and as far-sighted in sussing out what to do as we possibly can.  That's all that I was trying to convey.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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thank you (0.00 / 0)
I appreciate your clarification. I did flame wars back when we had BBOARDs, and I'm pretty over them.

I agree with you that we need to be as smart and far-sighted as possible. When you look at the machine that the conservatives have built since the Powell Memo, and how long it took to do it, it makes you realize how much time it will take to balance things out again (assuming liberals actually try to build institutions to counter conservative think tanks and media).

But both in the near term and the long term, I believe progressives need to know what tools of power they have in their toolbox, and they need to know where the tools need to be applied. Because I'm not rich and I'm not a corporation, nor am I a beltway insider or a Washington talking head; I'm pretty much down to the power of my vote (plus letter-writing and being a member of Moveon).  Now if Democrats can convince me that I have no choice but to vote for them, then my vote has no influence on their behavior. So if I (and many many others) can convince them that they can't take my vote for granted, then I have more influence over them than I used to. In fact, I'm a swing voter.  I just happen to swing to the left of the Democratic Party.

I made what I consider to be very constructive proposal; one that can be done by people who still believe in maximizing the number of Democrats in office: follow David Sirota's plan and do targeted removals of non-performing Democrats. Don't withhold your vote from the whole party; don't vote Green.  Just assert that there is some minimal level of progressiveness that a Democrat must demonstrate in order to stay in office.  One or two every election cycle is probably enough to send shock waves through the Party.  It should free up progressive-leaning Dems to tell special interests, "Thanks for the contribution, but I also have my constituents to think about." When the talking heads tell them they have to seek the so-called center, they can say, "Not at the expense of my real voters!"

I believe in this way of looking at the situation because I don't trust that the Democrats are just waiting for some magical super-majority before they move left again.  I think they need to be reminded who they work for, and that progressive planning for the future needs to be more comprehensive than making sure more Dems are elected.

Barry


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I Think You Have More Than Your Vote (0.00 / 0)
I agree with you up to a point--and that point is the sense of your limited options.  I think there is more you can do.

You may not have money, but you have time, energy, attention, and the ability to express yourself.  Independent political organizations--be they local or national--have a long history of shaping politics in America.  They are even more powerful when they come together with each other.  My battleground district organizing strategy proposal is conceived of as a way to synergize the power of such groups, for example.

This isn't meant to oppose Sirota's suggestion.  But withholding support from the worst is just one side of the coin, and my primary focus is on the other side. My idea is that we can much more effectively come together to push a progressive agenda from below.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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No timeline, no funding. No Excuses. (4.00 / 1)
CodePink and Peace Action have been pressuring Democrats, but as far as I can see, the rest of the peace movement has not. The emphasis has been on pressuring Republicans to come out against the occupation/war and letting Democrats have a bit of time to pass domestic legislation and build the case against the occupation/war. In May, Democrats said "we'll fight again in September."

So now it is time to focus on Democrats. There is no excuse for Democrats to now vote for more funding -- neither for the Iraq/Afghanistan supplemental nor the DoD funding bill -- until there is a binding timeline for withdrawal included. All the talk about needing to support the troops is just Right-wing propaganda -- the best way to support the troops is to bring them home and the best way to bring them home is to cut off funding.

There is no military solution to Iraq, and Bush has not proposed any non-military solution. So voting for either of these bills means standing with Bush and supporting the continued military occupation of Iraq. It means the death and wounding of more American soldiers, the death, wounding, and displacement of more Iraqis, and the further destruction of that country. Iraqis want US troops to leave. Americans want US troops to come home.

Democrats do not need a 67% majority to overcome a Presidential veto and they don't need a 60% majority to overcome a Senate filibuster. All they need is a 50% majority of Democrats to vote against the funding bills or the Democratic leadership to prevent the funding bills from coming to a vote. Either way, Democrats could stop the Iraq occupation/war.

I'm tired of excuses.


Anti-Spin Message (0.00 / 0)
Oh, and Republicans are likely to revive their "slow bleed" criticism of a funding cut-off. But all progressive Democrats have to say in response is "we will fund a withdrawal, but we will not fund Bush's occupation/war in Iraq. Bush wants to bleed the troops dry, but we want to bring them home."

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The Dems Don't Even Need 50% (0.00 / 0)
Even if the leadership decides to let through a bill, we only need to prevent that bill from ever being voted on.  We have the filibuster on our side. Either don't give a bill or if a bill is put forth, filibuster.  With all the polls, how could it possibly hurt the Dems?  If I recall correctly, the Progressives backed down in the face of the Blue Dogs threat and the Leadership's pressure.  Shouldn't we be putting at least as much, if not more pressure on the Progressives as is being put on the Blue/Bush Dogs.  If they won't go along with this, it will really throw a wrench into the Leadership's backing, wouldn't it?  And I'm talking a real, public calling out by the Progressives on the Leadership and anyone else.  I'm not the type itching for fight or displaying disarray but what choice is there?

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Unfortunately, Funding Bills Can't be Filibustered (0.00 / 0)
debcoop informed me in a previous thread that funding bills can't be filibustered. Assuming this is true, then we need at least 50% or some other way to block the bill being voted on (poison pill amendments, something else?).

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No (0.00 / 0)
It's reconciliation bills that can't be filibustered - appropriations bills can be.

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Regardless of what the exact procedural options are (0.00 / 0)
I think my basic point still stands.  Shouldn't we be putting pressure on the Progressives in Congress to call out the Bush Dogs and the Leadership?  To take a stand. If it came to the Progressives publicly calling out these Dems, wouldn't it only help the Dems' election chances.  I guess it could give some republicans a reason to vote, but wouldn't give a lot of independents and Dems a reason to vote for Dems who want to end the war?  Shine a spotlight on who in the Democratic party is actually enabling the war.  We can't do it alone.

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Absolutely - Progs are first card to fall (0.00 / 0)
If the Progs collapse like they did the last time, it's game over.

They've (70 of them, at least) pledged (earlier piece) not to vote for any bill except one funding withdrawal and redeployment.

If they stick by that, Nancy is up shit creek: she can either pass a surrender bill with GOP votes, or pass no bill.

Only then does it get interesting - when the GOP and Dogs try to go it alone (other piece).

So - now is absolutely the time to focus on the Progs (those who signed the July 19 letter and those who didn't), because, without them, we ain't got a game.


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Very basic problem here folks... (0.00 / 0)
Even Matt says:

...progressives like Barbara Boxer are echoing his point.

I live in the SF Bay Area and I want to assure you that Barbara Boxer is no progressive. And before you pile on consider these facts:

She actively campaigned for Joey the Liarmann.

She's always supported the MI complex, indeed she scrubbed her website of pics showing her with generals, on aircraft carriers and at Lockheed, well before the 2006 elections.

She's head of the Senate 'Ethics Committee' which as The Great Orange Satan has pointed out...

Did nothing and continues to do just that as Republican Senators run wild in the streets and on the floor with pants around their ankles and earmarks for all their friends.

She is while not technically a 'Bush Bitch' pretty damn close in that she seems unwilling to do anything that might rock the boat or oppose the filthy rising tide of Fascism her good colleagues in the Senate are pumping so vigorously into that chamber.

No, in my opinion, she's no progressive. Triangulator, maybe...'Centrist' fer sure...which means she's the enemy.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


Reality Check (0.00 / 0)
I live in the SF Bay Area and I want to assure you that Barbara Boxer is no progressive.

Reality disagrees.

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"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Looks good on paper but.... (0.00 / 0)
...cannot be counted on in the clutch.

Her 'Ethics' Committee is useless.

But for me this is where I parted company with her:

The Boxer Short

I stand by my statement that she's 'scrubbed' her website of all the pics showing her posing with the MI Complex. She did that.

Voted yes to Reauthorize the Patriot Act.

Seems she was a no-show for the FISA vote.

I understand that many see her as progressive and on many issues she is.

But on critical issues, issues which I am totally unwilling to compromise she fails to deliver.

I see her as part of the problem, not the solution to the rising tide of Fascism. It's not enough to be progressive on the easy issues you've got to fight the tough ones. I thought this is what the Bush Dog meme was all about.

As for her support of Liebermann....

It was and remains a disgusting display of poor judgment and the sort of arrogance of those who've been in Congress long enough to value some sick sense of 'collegiality' over the duty they have to the citizens. At the very least her judgment sucked. Absolutely sucked.

I'm sure you don't agree with me but let me ask you?

Are you thrilled with the progressive leadership shown by Feinstein, Pelosi and Boxer on the issues of Gonzales, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et. al.

I'm sure not and neither is anyone, I repeat anyone, I talk to and I talk to a good number of politically aware citizens in my area.

She's been in the Senate too long and needs to be reminded that she's there to represent us. Not the MI Complex and the Dept. of Homeland Security.

As always, nice talkin' with you.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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If You Haven't Seen It (0.00 / 0)
You should read Major Danby's recent diary at DKos, "How to be a more effective irrational pressure group", especially what he says about exogenous variables.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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