Wes Clark's Endorsement Matters to Me

by: Matt Stoller

Sat Sep 15, 2007 at 22:34


Wes Clark was the first, and maybe last, Presidential candidate I ever really believed in.  I came into politics in 2002, first blogging on Dailykos back when it was a moveable type site, and then on my own site which I set up to put out more of my own thoughts with a college roommate.  I was at the time working at a small software company as a product manager, wondering what I was going to do with my life while also slowly understanding that the political shock I had first seen in 1998 - the impeachment - was just the first of many shocks to the system I had believed in.  After the 2002 midterms, which I half-expected would be a Democratic victory, I figured I would try to have an impact. 

Living in Boston at the time, I marched to the John Kerry for President office where I began phone-banking along with all the other volunteers.  Mostly the New Hampshire yelled at me about one of two things, John Kerry's vote for the war or why I was calling them a year before the primary.  The operations were in shambles, and it was clearly the province of people who were in politics because they would have jobs in the White House and had not a further reason to be where they were, with the possible exception of gravity.  My conversations on the blogs were much more exciting and interesting, though at the time I still didn't consider them 'real', whatever that was.

As I continued to phone bank, and go to New Hampshire on weekends, I realized that we weren't making any progress, that the Dean campaign, which no one took seriously, had busloads of volunteers and a compelling message.  More than that, the Dean campaign functioned as an umbrella under which thousands of people could discover and grow themselves politically and ideologically.  If the staid and stale atmosphere of that Kerry office was epitomized by a 22 year old volunteer director yelling at me not to go off script when talking to a New Hampshire voter, the Dean campaign seemed to be about 'yes'.  Want to set up a website?  Go for it.  Want to organize a trip?  Sure.  Want to beat up Kerry at the Massachusetts Democratic Party Convention?  Make it happen.  Anything seemed possible for the Dean campaign, even as my memos were forwarded to the IT department, where they languished with the well-meaning, intelligent, and powerless Kerry people.

So I quit.  For a few months, I started working on the Draft Clark campaign and the Kerry volunteer gig at the same time, but eventually the Kerry stuff tapered off.  I couldn't get into Dean, but Clark appealed to me as an intellectual who thoughtfully disagreed with the invasion of Iraq out of a sense of coherent strategic principle.  I read his Waging Modern War and Winning Modern Wars, and took away from it a sense of vision, one he obviously has.  Clark has always been a much more progressive figure in the Democratic Party than anyone else in major party politics.  He speaks out constantly about Iran, and has criticized AIPAC.  When asked how he would pay for his proposals, he would answer something along the lines of 'I'm going to cut the military budget; I know how to do it and the Generals know I know how to do it'.  That just doesn't happen in the Democratic Party, the announcement of a rollback of the military industrial complex.  He believes in universal health care because it worked for him and the people he commanded, not out of a sense of polling or academic insight.  He is the shift of the professional and military class towards the Democratic Party, a Jim Webb type figure with less of an economically populist capacity for messaging.  And he has also commanded the military during the last war that America won.

Anyway, Clark ran a terrible campaign, but in retrospect that's not a surprise.  Campaigning is a skill, being a politician is a skill, and he was an amateur at it.  He's much better now.  Still, the campaign and messaging he ran did allow the umbrella of experimentation, the yes quality, that the Dean campaign also had.  Many Clarkies became innovative internet political organizers, including Lowell Feld, who went on to help Jim Webb, and the founders of Actblue. 

So Clark announcing for Clinton matters to me, because I trust his judgment and his capacity for vision.  I don't support Clinton, I don't support her policies, and I don't expect to support her candidacy in this primary.  But if Clark believes that she can meet the challenges necessary to be a President who can help America, then that is something I have to take very seriously.  Moreover, should Clark hold a cabinet level position or a VP slot, it would show that Clinton is moving in a much more progressive direction, and that is something I would be quite pleased to see.

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Pirate Flag Down Off of the Ship of State

What does this say about Clinton? (4.00 / 2)
On the one hand, the Clintons and Clark are obviously close. So take all of this with a grain of salt.

On the other hand, I think that it is important to remember that Clinton has a lot of progressive bona fides, though she is running a campaign in such a way as to force you to forget. Clark can see them and so should we.


Clark, Dean and Clinton (4.00 / 2)
  Back in 2003, I resented Wes Clark a bit, because I was a Dean supporter and Clark parachuting late into the race seemed a little too convenient for me, given how crowded the field already was. Especially when his campaign didn't seem to strike a real theme or coherent purpose -- it just seemed like he slipped in there to become the "split-the-grassroots-and-stop-Dean" candidate. I just never got what he added to the table at that time. Clark, for all his virtues, to me filled the role of an establishment-approved (and thus controllable) Dean. Not unlike Barack Obama being a "grassroots" version of Hillary Clinton today.

  That said, Clark has more than transcended that initial image I had of him over the years. I've seen and heard him enough by now to be convinced that he's a real Democrat, faithful to Democratic values, and not a born triangulator. And his national-security credentials are impeccable -- not because he's a retired general, but because he understands that running an effective foreign policy doesn't necessarily, or ever primarily, involve bombing the crap out of every country that might have differences with us. He doesn't promote mindless warmongering as some twisted expression of "toughness", the way Republicans and DLC'ers do. And taking on AIPAC was worth a hundred bonus points in my book right there. The moment we break that lobby's malignant influence we'll have a true new morning in America.

  I'm not a Hillary person either. But if Wes Clark is comfortable with her, then I'm much more open to getting behind her. (Not that I'm doing that yet, but another positive marker for Hillary is her refusal thus far to get on the bash-MoveOn bandwagon.) It remains to be seen what the impact of Clark's endorsement will be -- I don't think Wes Clark is really as visible with the general public as he is in the activist community.

  But maybe, if Clark's endorsement really is an indication that Hillary's not as faux-centrist as she sounds, we can all stop banging our heads against flat objects if she in fact does get the nomination. Let's see how this plays.

 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


I met Clark at YK2006 and was impressed... (0.00 / 0)
....but I never had any personal investment in him or his campaign. The only thing....

The. Only. Thing.

That matters to me is whether or not the policies a candidate is putting forward will take our nation in the correct direction.

The progressive direction.

Senator Clinton has shown no desire to go there, indeed quite the opposite.

So for me Clark is now part of that which I oppose.

The Money Party. I go into a little more detail in my post:

Birds of a feather will flock together.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


Clark's endorsement (4.00 / 1)
I respect Clark, butr I cannot support Clinton, based upon her record and her policies.

The war is the most important issue to me and I think of all of our candidates that she would be the least likely candidate to get us out of Iraq and most likely to get us involved in a war with Iran.

I am looking forward to Gore's endorsement. If he endorses before the primary's I bet it will not be Clinton. By not endorsing Clinton that will tell me plenty about Clinton.


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Counterpoint (0.00 / 0)
"I cannot support Clinton, based upon her record and her policies."

Which ones?

"she would be the least likely candidate to get us out of Iraq and most likely to get us involved in a war with Iran."

I wonder how you determined that she wants to attack Iran.

"I am looking forward to Gore's endorsement. If he endorses before the primary's I bet it will not be Clinton."

Gore doesn't have the balls to endorse someone in the primaries. Look at how he ran his 2000 campaign. No balls.

John McCain would love to send your kids to war.


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Re: Counterpoint (0.00 / 0)
Look how Gore endorsed Dean in December 2003. Balls.

Gore said this about Dean four years ago and it's still just as relevant today.

Al Gore endorses Howard Dean

"He was the only major candidate who made the correct judgment about the Iraq war," Gore said. "And he had the insight and the courage to say and do the right thing. And that's important because those judgments -- that basic common sense -- is what you want in a president."



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Clark seems like a classy guy (4.00 / 4)
What I take away from this is that he doesn't see anything about Senator Clinton that is so bad that he should go against her and make things ugly.  His endorsement is a nice get for her, but if he had endorsed someone else it would have been a huge slap in her face, since he's from Arkansas and has been close to the Clintons over the years.  Maybe not as huge as if Senator Kennedy had endorsed Dean over Kerry, but at least like if Joe or Patrick Kennedy had taken Dean's side. 

I view it in the same way I view Senator Whitehouse's endorsement of Senator Clinton.  I respect him and like his stands on the issues, which are more progressive than Senator Clinton, and it would have been a huge slap in her face if he had endorsed someone other than her given how President Clinton had supported him over the years.

Voter Genome Project


And so our national politics remain... (4.00 / 1)
....the purview of a group of people who don't want to offend their 'friends'. Only problem with that is that....

You, me and everybody else in this thread, indeed nearly everybody alive in America today, are not....

The Friends of Hill and Bill.

And....

...never will be.
.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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Ahem (0.00 / 0)
At least one exception.

John McCain would love to send your kids to war.

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I put the word... (0.00 / 0)
....'nearly' in there for a reason.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.

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Still wrong (0.00 / 0)
That's wrong as well if you look at any favorability ratings. Regardless, it is not as if you wrote that post in the spirit serious discussion.

John McCain would love to send your kids to war.

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I agree (4.00 / 1)
We need more and better Democrats, and part of that is enabling outsiders to challenge establishment figures in primaries.  Which is one reason why I quit my job at a big law firm this May and started a company aimed at getting cutting edge technology and voter identification tools into the hands of outsider candidates.

Voter Genome Project

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That's impressive technology (0.00 / 0)
and an impressive leadership team.  Your New Faces...New Votes application could be huge in the suburban districts ringing metro hubs.


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Thanks (4.00 / 1)
A lot of those new people will wind up registering to vote, but imagine how much more effective a campaign can be in persuading them if the campaign can find them months ahead of the registration deadline and know their profile (including their voting history at their old residence). 

It could be like a Democratic welcome wagon.

Voter Genome Project


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Clark, Obama, and an important insider-y note... Obama is probably going to loose (4.00 / 2)
I have several friends on Clark's staff, and I was under the impression Clark all-but-had the VP spot if Obama won the nomination. 

Clark would have balanced out Obama's inexperience, war "cred," southern-white-guy-deficiency, and would be a the perfect "non-Edwards" (who Obama is constantly sparring with, and who is also "inexperienced" and who has baggage from '04) addition to the ticket. 

Clark would look good on the ticket, and would bring progressives with him, as well as conservatives. 

And since Hillary would never accept the VP spot (so the line of thinking goes), and Richardson would make a "too ethnic" ticket... that leaves Clark as the perfect VP. 

Obama / Clark '08!

Anyway, for all these reasons, back in late last year when everyone though the nomination was Obama's to loose, Clark was seen as the likely choice for the VP spot... at least by my friends on the Obama campaign & the clark staff. 

((I'm not saying I agree with all those things, or the background assumptions behind a lot of those statements... just that they're what was said to me))
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So if Clark has completely switched to Hillary, he must really believe Hillary has it locked up.  He must either know

a) know that Hillary is angry enough w/ Obama that she won't include him on the ticket if she wins

(or more likely)

b) have made a deal that will allow him to be Sec of State, Defense, or somesuch. 

Unlike the first Dem to drop out (V for Vilsack!), Clark isn't angling to get campaign debt paid off, or anything like that. 

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I'm still an Edwards supporter, but it hurts me nonetheless to see Obama tanking so much, and Hillary being accepted as the "default" nominee. 



Clarification (4.00 / 1)
That was a rambling comment, even for me.  Sorry. 

My main point was:

If Clark has switched to supporting Hillary it is most likely because he no longer thinks Obama has any shot

the only other possibilities are
a) he has been truly convinced she would be the best president
b) he has been promised something really really good by Hillary
c) he's being blackmailed or something truly outlandish like that. 

Since neither a, b, or c seem at all likely (well, *maybe* a)... I'm going to assume he has lost his confidence in Obama. 

That's why I think this endorsement matters, it could signal the beginning of the end to Obama's institutional support. 


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no, he never would have endorsed Obama (4.00 / 2)
He has been close to the Clintons for a long time, and his last presidential campaign was run by Clinton people.

I'm only surprised that he endorsed this early. I expected this to come right before Iowa and NH vote.

Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.


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Political Judgement is not Exactly Clark's Specialty (0.00 / 0)
My respect for the General has no bounds but, frankly, he has a mixed record concerning judgement about purely political matters, i.e. pulling out of Iowa in 2003.

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That wasn't Clark's call though (0.00 / 0)
His instinct was to compete in Iowa but he was talked out of it by professional campaign staff who told Clark in no uncetain terms that he did not have the experience with prior campaigns needed to make that call wisely. Since Clark had never been in any campaigns before he did not have a solid basis to dispute that conclusion by his much more experienced than he political staff at the time who felt there was not enough time for Clark to establish himself in both Iowa and New Hampshirem, and that is how they advised him.

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What are you talking about? (4.00 / 4)
As a member of Draft Clark, a staffer on the Clark campaign, and a current staffer for General Clark for WesPAC, I have to say I have NO idea what you're talking about.

I talked with General Clark directly about his decision to endorse Hillary. This is about his belief that she is the best candidate on a whole set of issues, including national security and foreign policy. This isn't about how the Obama campaign is doing. There are no deals with Hillary about cabinet positions. Nothing.


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Perhaps I should have kept this comment to myself (0.00 / 0)
I was only repeating things people had told me.  I don't want to get anyone in trouble, so I won't name any names- especially since it doesn't really matter that much. 

But the "Obama would pick Clark as VP if Clark endorsed him" thing is something I've had confirmed on numerous occasions from both Clark & Obama staffers at seperate points several times over the last year. 

So, I think my analysis stands.  Unless Clark is such a hardcore idealist that he would give up his best shot at VP to support Hillary... (because Clark has said publicly many times that he thinks Obama is great... so it's obviously an either/or scenario)... or he doesn't think Obama is going to win the nomination. 

And I have literally never, ever, seen a major political figure make an endorsement that didn't come with back-room strings attached.  What those strings / promises are (or if they are payback for prior promises), doesn't matter to me.  It's not like it's a bad thing, or like making a deal with someone you respect is somehow selling your soul. 

But the idea that Clark somehow just realized Hillary was the right one, and then decided all of a sudden to endorse her with no deals or promises (when he could have beens stumping for her for months at this point if he'd been so on board) is just ludicrous. 

All due respect to Clark.  I remember my Dad volunteering long hours in '04 to try to get Clark to win, it's not like I'm anti-clark by any means.  I actually loosely supported him for the nomination up until it became clear he wasn't running, and that Edwards had picked up the Progressive mantle. 


[ Parent ]
1st cmment here: (0.00 / 0)
Are you guys nuts?

What this country needed was a military guy in charge?

Ugh.


As I noted in an earlier thread ... (4.00 / 4)
...Clark was my No. 2 choice in '04. And I respect him a great deal, particularly his willingness to go to bat for a lot of Democratic candidates that other big-name Dems didn't offer the time of day to.

But since August 2005, when Clark began what has turned out to be two years worth of shooting down those of us - like Russ Feingold - who said it was time to withdraw from Vietnam, I have been immensely disappointed in him. He has some quite excellent ideas about diplomacy, he certainly stood out from the crowd in a good way - including, by the way, from the candidate he has just endorsed - on Iran, and I think would be a good fellow to have somewhere in any president's Cabinet.

But his relentless view that it was never quite yet time to push for withdrawal, and now his endorsement of someone who may very possibly keep tens of thousands of troops in Iraq for years makes me doubt his good judgment in this matter. So, obviously, he has not nudged me one inch closer to supporting Senator Clinton in the primaries. Unfortunately, I don't think it matters much because I think we've almost reached the stage of pro forma in terms of this contest. 


I can see the usefulness of Clark (0.00 / 0)
When Clark argues for something he argues for it in a way that appeals to the white male demographic.

Clinton on the other hand seems to appeal mainly to women and minorities.

Thus Clark would round out her ticket quite well, while they are both pretty much identical on the issues his framing appeals to certain different demographics than Clinton's.


What policies? (0.00 / 0)
Matt - you said you don't support "her policies" - speaking of Clinton.
Could you elaborate? Which policies do you not support?

I can see not voting for her on the basis of her vote for the war, just as I can see not voting for Obama on the basis of his votes for the funding of the war and his sychophantic support for Lieberman's re-election.

But - what other policies are you concerned about that she is pursuing?


Is Clark a Sellout? (0.00 / 0)
Did the Clinton's offer Clark a VP to endorse her?  I thought about supporting Clark at the beginning of the year, but decided to go with a more progressive candidate such as JRE. After seeing Clark endorse Hillary and this site going along with it, I have not decided that most netroots do not really want to see a real progreesive as president.  I myself thought better of Clark, but obviously I am wrong.  If Gore endorses Hillary I think I will not praticipate in politics anymore.  The Clintons are not going to make any changes in DC.  Also, I predict if Hillary Clinton was to be president congress will be lost for the democrats after four years of the Clintons.  If this blog turns into a Clinton blog I am out of here.

Why does it matter to you (4.00 / 1)
It was "known" for ages that Clark would endorse Clinton. Someone who pays as much attention to politics as you cannot have been surprised by this.

So why does it "matter" in the sense of changing your outlook in any way? Hadn't you already factored it in?


That's because... (4.00 / 1)
Matt,
You didn't know because jforshaw doesn't know what he or she talking about. Folks, I work for the man. I talk to the man about politics and the rest of the staff about this stuff all the time. I found out on Friday afternoon from General Clark. I was surprised.

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actually he does know (0.00 / 0)
what he's talking about. i was a clarkie, and its a bit bizzare to argue that clark wasn't going to go for clinton.

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lhuynh was an original DC2004 organizer (0.00 / 0)
and is currently staff member.

I think he's probably closer to the source than you.


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I think I dont care (0.00 / 0)
about what his connection to the source is. The idea that Clark has not relationship to the Clintons is just hard to believe. Its one thing to say that he was considering other things too, but clearly he must have liked the Clinton to even have worked with them in the past. I suppose one could argue they did have a falling out, but that again doesn't seem to have matched what occured back in 2003 and 2004.

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here's one link (0.00 / 0)
I am sure there are a lot more.

http://blogs.abcnews...

Anyone saying this was a total surprise given that Bill Clinton, himself, back in 2003 said that the Democratic party has two stars- one was Hillary Clinton and the other was Wesley Clark- well, I don't think the circumstances reflect that shock or surprise.


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Thank your for your heart felt writing (0.00 / 0)
I am so tired of pundits, even our own, who seem unwilling to open a window into their heart while parading their intellect forward. Your posts always seem human to me.


As a core Clark supporter, what this means to me (4.00 / 2)
For one thing I believe it means that Wes Clark now believes Hillary Clinton is our near certain nominee. Had it been preordained that Wes Clark would support Hillary Clinton for the Presidency, he would have given her his endorsement long ago. Campaign season came early for 2008, but Clark waited 9 months to endorse her. She would have loved his support earlier I am sure, when it was less certain whether Obama's support would continue to rise at a rapid rate, when Obama showed he could pull in as much money or more than the Clinton machine. 

Second it means that Hillary Clinton passes Clark's bottom line acid test. Clark sees her as having the experience and skills needed to be a competent world leader and commander in chief in perilous times. I have no doubt Clark will strongly support whoever Democrats nominate to be President if it is not Hillary, but I am confident that he would not give an early endorsement to anyone who he could not easily recommend in that regard.

Clark has strong ties with many in Clinton's current foreign policy team, and matters of war and peace weigh heavily on the General. Clark knows full well that Hillary Clinton was no Laura Bush in the White House, she was always a key part of Bill Clinton's inner policy circle. Unlike those who now run Washington, Bill Clinton sent his Secretary of State to North Korea's Capital to meet personally with Dear Leader Kim when tensions that might have led to war with North Korea were building.

Clark knows Madeleine Albright well and respects her, and Albright is backing Hillary. Bill Clinton sent Under Secretary of State Richard Holbrooke to Bosnia to help negotiate peace in that war torn nation through negotiations with all the players in that region. Wes Clark worked side by side with Holbrooke in Bosnia on the Dayton Peace Accords, and Hollbrooke is backing Hillary. Although Bill Clinton did not take Wes Clark's advice to intervene to stop the slaughter of genocide in Rwanda, he later did something few Presidents would even consider for an instant doing. Clinton travelled to Africa and apologized in person for his failure of leadership in not acting to stop the slaughter of nearly a million people. Wes Clark of course knows that about Bill Clinton, and Bill Clinton of course is backing Hillary.

Wes Clark believes that the world is much closer to the brink of an escalating spiral of military violence right now than most other politicians in America have the vision to realize. If war expands out from Iraq it won't matter what domestic policies any of our Democratic candidates plan to implement should they become President; there will not be any funds available for any domestic initiatives, instead we will face cuts in the ones we have now. Wes Clark has personal reasons to believe that of the Democrats now running for President, Hillary Clinton will bring the best team to Washington to advance diplomatic solutions to complex international issues that threaten the peace and security not only of ourselves, but of hundreds of millions more in other nations around the globe.

I will make another post below this of the Diary that I just posted at Wes Clark's own web site which gives more of my own reactions. This is a hard week end for me. I have worked for a Wes Clark presidency for over four years, and Hillary Clinton does not in any way inspire me the way that Wes Clark has. However I respect his reasons for supporting her now, and it is meaningful to me that he does. 


I believe General Clark is walking point for the Democratic Party again (0.00 / 0)
This is from my blog at Clark Community Network. I also added a post there to clarify that I am not anti-Clinton by any means, that there is much that I respect about her and many positives that I see resulting from her victory over the Republican nominee come November 2008. It just is no secret to those who know me that I can safely be described as being to the left of Hillary Clinton politically, so enthusiasm for her comes a bit slowly to me:

Over the last four years I have come to appreciate that Wes Clark seems to have a sure sense as to where attacks on the chances for a Democratic Party victory are most likely to come from, and how he carefully pre-positions himself to protect whatever flank of our Party is most exposed and vulnerable to an attack that might deny us an important victory. There is no more important victory to secure for the Democratic Party now than the White House in 2008, because that victory is not just needed for a domestic and partisan political party, it is needed both for the health of our Democracy and for sanity in this world.

The visible danger that the Democratic Party faces in 2008 comes from all of the usual suspects, starting of course with the Republican Party but including a host of puppet masters and enablers, from powerful special interests to a rightist propaganda oriented mass media. Most Democrats know those enemies well enough, they are familiar foes; dangerous yes, but easily recognized and fairly straight forward to defend against. Sometimes we do well in that regard, sometimes not, but it is an unseen adversary that can ambush and thereby defeat our efforts to deny Republicans the White House in 2008.

That adversary hides in our own passion, in our own desire to right all that is wrong in our nation now. I am guilty of that passion though I do not view it as a crime. I make no apologies for fighting for what I believe in my heart is best for our nation. But passion denied frequently leads to bitterness, and for many of us in the activist base of the Democratic Party, passions flow in support of Democratic candidates for President far more progressive than Hillary Clinton will ever be in our eyes. Passion isn't the hidden adversary that will have to be overcome for Democrats to defeat the Republican nominee for President in 2008. It is a lack of passion for our most likely presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton, that I fear may doom us.

I am among those who believe that Hillary Clinton will be a tough sell with the American electorate in 2008. I am also among those who believed barring a Clark or Gore candidacy, that Hillary Clinton is destined to win the Democratic nomination for President. To me that now seems all but certain. Neither Obama or Edwards or any other of our declared candidates can overtake Clinton in my opinion; Wes Clark is not running and I don't believe Al Gore will either. It will take a lot of hard work by a lot of committed progressive minded Democratic grassroots activists to put Hillary Clinton over the top in 2008, and she can not afford for that effort to lurch forward in low gear after her nomination.

I suspect this is one of the reasons why Wes Clark chose to endorse Hillary Clinton now. Clark is a thoroughly decent human being who was trained in the profession of warfare. There is no room for woulda coulda shoulda in a military campaign. Clark has been on the equivalent of such a campaign ever since he entered politics to oppose George W. Bush's neocon scripted disastrous plans for America.

I firmly believe that Wes Clark believes it is near certain now that Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic candidate for president in 2008. If he is correct, and my respect for Wes Clark's ability to analyze pending events has grown continually since I first was exposed to his thinking four years ago, then the future of our nation's well being in the first half of the 21st century will largely rest on Hillary Clinton's ability to defeat the Republican nominee for President in 2008.

I don't think Hillary Clinton needs further active support from Clark supporters in order to win the Democratic nomination. I for one can not bring myself to give her such support at this stage, but that part doesn't matter. What matters is how fast so many of us who have deep resistance to the idea of supporting Hillary Clinton for President are able to work through our antipathy toward her to fight for her chances to win in November. We can all pretend that there is an intellectual switch each of us can throw that shifts us from opposing Hillary with a passion to fighting hard to help her defeat the Republican if she wins the nomination, but most people are not wired that way. There is an emotional psychological journey that must first be undertaken, and that journey can be slow and torturous.

It was that type of journey that took too long to take for far too many in 1968 that allowed Richard Nixon to hold onto a rapidly shrinking lead over a late charging Hubert Humphrey to win that presidential election and doom our nation to four more years of war in Viet Nam. It took a long time for anti war Democrats to become pragmatists in 1968 after the Chicago convention nominated LBJ's Vice President to run over Eugene McCarthy and George McGovern and the ghost of RFK. By the fall most of us were sobered enough by the prospect of Nixon getting elected that we could then seriously work for Humphrey, but we were a little too little, a little too late.

I don't think Wes Clark expects his endorsement of Hillary to turn many people who oppose her now into supporters of her now. But I think he realizes by endorsing Hillary Clinton early, who he (and I) fully expect will be the Democratic nominee, that he is helping hasten for many that emotional psychological journey I mentioned above, so that come the day when she is nominated, more of us will be ready to stop sitting on our hands and start working hard to get Hillary Clinton elected.

In my opinion (and I suspect in Clark's) Hillary Clinton doesn't really need further help to win the nomination now because it is already hers to lose. What Hillary needs most is for more Democratic activists to view her nomination as at least marginally acceptable when in all likelihood it actually comes to pass. That is how Wes Clark is helping Hillary Clinton, and the Democratic Party in my opinion, the most. That is why his support of her now is critical. Hillary will need some serious bridge building to this party's activist base to unify the party behind her if she becomes our nominee. Wes Clark is helping walk point for her now in that regard. In so doing I believe Wes Clark is also walking point for our nation's future well being, just like he has for his entire life.

For those who do not see Hillary's nomination as a near certainty already, Clark's endorsement may be a bitter pill. Since I have long believed that only Al Gore or Wes Clark could deny her that nomination, of those who either are in the race or had a potential to enter it, I can appreciate what I think Wes Clark now is attempting to do, even if I am not at all pleased at the prospect of Hillary Clinton being our candidate in 2008.



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She has to brandish her record not her spin (0.00 / 0)
Hillary as the Democratic nominee will get lots of votes just because the Republican alternative is so much worse. If she needs to get activists fired up as you say, the burden of proof will be upon her. She has to show activists she's different from the Republican in basic, essential ways. Most importantly, she has to show that her record backs up her  words. Otherwise her words will be meaningless spin that will never get anyone passionate about getting her elected.

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I agree that only she can seal that deal n/t (0.00 / 0)


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It's funny- I am a Clarkie, and this means nothing to me (0.00 / 0)
I think I've moved on since 2004 in part because I've seen what the Democrats have done since returning to power. My apolitical friends haven't been impessed. And. I've been hard pressed to convince them they are wrong. We will win next year by default, not because of anything being done that's meaningful to the American people. So- at the end of the day- do I think things will change? No, not really. Clinton will probably win, and we will remain stagnated as a party. That's why his decision doesn't mean all that much to me. I am thinking of the long term impact of Clinton, not about his endorsement.

Clark Seems Politically Naive (4.00 / 1)
As I remember it, Wesley Clark voted for Nixon and Reagan and praised Bush after the 9/11 attacks. He takes progressive stands, but he has a conservative streak and seems relatively naive in political matters.

The DLC seems liberal until you really look into their politics. Hilliary is quite progressive in some ways, but she is willing to play political footsies with unsavory corporattions and with military hawks. It takes a savvy progressive (or some painful experiences) to know that she will sell out progressive values if it will advance her career.

Hillary had the chance to promote a single-payer universal healthcare system. Instead, when faced with medical insurance company resistance, she backed down and promoted an expensive sprawling mess that no one could support. So now 15 years later, we still don't have a decent healthcare system.

Hillary could have challenged Bush's propaganda campaign that suckered this country into the Iraq war. Instead she voted for war authorization. She could now be fighting to end the Iraq war by threatening to cut off funding. Instead she says she opposes the war, but won't rule out continuing it for years.

Clinton is a savvy politician and knows how to woo allies. Clark has either naively been mesmerized by Clinton's friendship and persuasive blather, or he is not really as progressive as he pretends.


After reading all of this thread (0.00 / 0)
and all of the discussion at Securing America, I conclude that the good general has allowed personal relationships to compromise his otherwise crisp judgment re: Senator Clinton.

I've been a Clark fan from day one . . . and even before.  I thought there was no real chance he would run again, which was disappointing.  But his decision to support Clinton is even more disappointing.

I agree with Matt . . . it gave me reason to pause and reflect. But not that I'm done with that, I'm throwing the full weight of my energy and resources to do whatever I can to keep Senator Clinton from becoming our nominee.


It means they are friends (0.00 / 0)
They are Arkansas friends. That means a lot more in a small state than a large one. It means that they are part of the same establishment friendship club of ruling elites.

Think for yourself - don't let this endorsement prove anything out of the ordinary for you. You don't have to let this ordinary show of friendship and allegiance effect your own choices. Choose for yourself.

I have Sen. Clinton's speech on low in the background while I wait for Edwards to come on this morning. She said we need big bold plans. Good grief, she lifts Edwards' lines whole right out of his speeches.  She's like a magpie collecting pretty shiny things for her nest.


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