The Self-Identified Progressive Candidate

by: Chris Bowers

Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 16:35


(Bumped at 5:00 pm eastern - promoted by Chris Bowers)

When it comes to discussions of the Democratic presidential primary, it is fairly common practice within the blogosphere to debate which candidate is the most "progressive." These debates often include analyses of voting records, staff hires, policy positions, candidate backgrounds, stump speech rhetoric, sponsored legislation, and Iraq war votes / apologies. Depending on who you ask and which criteria you value the most, pretty much all of the Democratic 2008ers (except, I think, for Biden) have, at one time or another, been identified as either "the most progressive" or "true progressive" candidate in the campaign by multiple bloggers. The varying answers individuals arrive at speaks simultaneously to the fairly nebulous meaning of a term as widespread as "progressive," to the difficulty in assigning quantifiable ideological rankings to individuals, and to the always gaseous nature of national political campaigns.

Given this, for a moment let's put aside attempts by progressive activists to define Democratic candidates as progressive or otherwise, and instead take a look at how often the eight Democrats currently running for President define themselves as progressive. Let's call these the "self-identified" progressive rankings. According to a Google search I conducted a few days ago, here are the number of results for the word "progressive" on all of the candidate's campaign websites, along with some notes on the findings for each:
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  • JohnEdwards.com: 3,480 times. While Edwards' website sports, by far, the most mentions of the word "progressive" of any candidate, it should be noted that most of those mentions come from the Edwards team opening up the campaign website to far more user generated content than any other campaign. In other words, in most cases the term was used not by the campaign, but by a supporter crating content on the wesbite. Still, the gap between Edwards and other candidates according to this criteria is striking.

  • Kucinich.us: 379 times. For a website that does not have a lot of content, Kucinich certainly uses the term "progressive" a quite a bit. Good for him.

  • HillaryClinton.com: 97 times. Many reading this might be surprised to find out that Hillary Clinton uses the term "progressive" much more often than Barack Obama, at least on their respective websites. And yes, most of the mentions are either directly from Senator Clinton, or from official content released by the campaign. Clinton herself even uses the term "progressive movement" a few times, which is nice to see.

  • BarackObama.com: 17 times. This is surprised me, since I have heard Obama refer to himself as a progressive in multiple speeches, including at Take Back America. However, for one reason or another, the word does not show up on his website very often. Perhaps he has started using the term more often of late, or he tends to use it in forums where he is speaking to certain, targeted audiences, as opposed to a more generalized audience on his website.

  • ChrisDodd.com: 17 times. Half of the 17 mentions come from two articles that repeat a combined nine times, so really the word appears less than ten times on his website.

  • RichardsonForPresident.com: 8 times. Single digits, but most of the uses of the term came in the last month, which is encouraging.
  • Gravel2008.com: 5 times. The word actually only appears once in a short, one-line article that appears in five places on the website. Further, it was used by someone outside of the campaign posting on the site.

  • JoeBiden.com: 4 times. Hey, four is better than none.

Granted, just because someone calls him or herself a progressive does not mean that person actually is a progressive. Also, just because someone does not call him or herself a progressive does not mean that person is not a progressive. (In fact, according to the semiotic theory to which I subscribe, crudely speaking someone could only be defined as a progressive if others were to define that person as such. But that is another, more esoteric matter entirely.) However, it is still quite interesting to see which candidates are using the term (everyone but Gravel), and who is using it the most (Edwards, Kucinich and Clinton). At the very least, not only does this reveal something about the voters each campaign is targeting right now, it is also a positive sign that the term is gaining some currency among even the most high profile Democrats. This is an important development, because it is an untenable situation for those on the left and center-left in America to have one political party self-identify as conservative, as they other to self-identify as either "moderate" or simply "big tent." Progressives need national leaders, and a national coalition, to articulate a progressive viewpoint in this country. In many ways, that starts with having leaders who are at least willing to call themselves progressives. To embarrassingly quote from the Tom Cruise gratuitous underwear / high school pimp film Risky Business: "If you can't say it, you can't do it." (Fun fact: In 11th grade, during my audition for the part of The Joker in my high school's all-Spanish language, musical adaptation of Batman, I did an imitation of Tom Cruise's famous dance in Risky Business. I didn't get the part).

Notably, on the other side, the term "conservative" appears on John McCain's website 551 times (methinks the Senator doth protest too much), on Mitt Romney's 159 times, nine times on the Fred Thompson blog, and only twice on Rudy Giuliani's. The gap between McCain, clearly desperate to brand himself as a conservative, and Giuliani, who doesn't appear to give a rat's ass about calling himself such, is hysterical.


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Progressive vs. Electable (0.00 / 0)
I, like lots of other people, have tried to figure out if "electability" is a legitimate issue or not, but I wonder this:  Is it the fundamental supposition of the progressive movement that a progressive candidate is always the best nominee?  For President and otherwise.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

Does it really matter? (4.00 / 1)
What I want to see is the MOST progressive individual as the nominee.  Too much of the conservative/liberal labeling has been co-opted by the M$M, but I believe that a majority of Americans are in line with the "Progressive Agenda."  The definition of this ideology, though is beyond the scope of the discussion herein.

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I don't know that there is any general (4.00 / 1)
agreement on your question, anymore than there is general agreement on the right as to whether the "most conservative" candidate should get the nomination (or even what "most conservative" means).  They are parallel questions.

Myself, I won't consider someone who doesn't meet a certain level of progressiveness, but after that I start to look at skill and competence, likelihood that the person can get into office and, once there, actually accomplish anything.  IMHO, that is much more fruitful than trying to use progressiveness as the only measure.


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I suppose my point (0.00 / 0)
Is whether progressivism presumes that "progressive" as an ideology supercedes the traditional Left/Right split in such a way as to necessarily mean that it appeals to and benefits the masses.

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Progressive is better (4.00 / 1)
If what you want to build is a progressive majority then progressive is ALWAYS better.  If what you are looking to build is a democratic majority then, frankly, it doesn't matter.  As a party and as a nation we have had a tendency to go towards the vanilla middle where nothing is really that bad and nothing is ever really good. 

In my personal experience in politics on the local I have found my own party being too dismissive of what a candidate is actually about and too willing to make top down decisions.  Talking about who is more electible crosses over into possible top down decision making areas, which leads to my thinking; progressive is much much much better.


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Fair point (0.00 / 0)
I guess I need to work on my definition here.  Maybe it's more a question of whether the more progressive candidate is always, by nature and/or definition, the more appropriate candidate to represent a given district.  Are there districts/states/countries, in reality or in principle, where a less progressive candidate would be a more appropriate representative of the people, or does progressivism inherently mean representative of the people?

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Tough Question (4.00 / 2)
You certainly do pose a tough question and to answer it I am going to reference my border distritc, NY-29 where Eric Massa is clearly a progressive candidate and where the district is clearly a very red one.

Mr. Massa is without a doubt representative of the people insofar that he resides there and has common values.  I don't think I need to waste too much breath here to describe what he is all about since everyone here is already more than aware.

Truely, I think our spin should be that progressive values are common values to all Americans; value that include sustainability on all levels (agriculture, energy, economics, etc), education, and a better quality of life for all.  Again, I think that progressive wins out.  Otherwise we are fighting a losing fight, one in each we expend too much time, energy and resources backing candidates that simply are not what we believe in.  At what point do we pull the plug on candidates that we have supported in the past, at what point do their values become what we encompass.

A good non-political example might be a recent interview I heard with George Lucas who noted that when he made the first Star Wars movie he was distinctly outside the machine in that it was very difficult to get a studio to look at him based on the script, material, etc.  However, based its success, the creation of ILM, the Skywalker Ranch, and LucasFilms and enterprises, he has essentially become the machine.  I believe that many would argue that his more recent Star Wars movies have been a result of this machine, one that is more willing to praise its mechanics rather than to go out and make the movies that should have been made.  At what point do we as a party begin to worry more about the mechanics of how we get people elected, regardless of their progressive values, if we are to be more concerned with whether or not candidates are electable rather than whether or not they possess the same values that we do.  In other words, at what point do we become part of the same machine that we are trying to fight?


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Well said (0.00 / 0)
Does that mean though that progressivism does not include moral issues? This is NOT to say that progressive issues are lacking moral elements or even moral imperatives, but does it leave out issues which are almost entirely moral (at least on one side or the other)?  Issues like gay marraige and abortion are generally argued in moral terms as much or more than in pragmatic terms for example.  When there's a district with a wide majority in moral favor or opposition to such an issue, does progressivism embrace the majority or not apply because it's not a populist issue? Or neither or both?

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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From my standpoint (0.00 / 0)
I try to stay away from moral reasoning/arguing as much as possible because it is too often the most difficult way to argue for/against something.  With that being said, I still think that a candidate that stands up fo equal rights is a constitutional issue (perhaps this does make it a moral issue) and thus again representative of the people whether or not they currently think it to be so.  Again, I pull towards the progressive.

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I'm all for progressives as well (0.00 / 0)
So maybe the simplified question is whether there are districts, again in reality or in principle, that are not progressive. Or is that not possible and places without progressive leadership simply don't know they want/need it?

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Branding Vs. Substance (4.00 / 4)
First, thanks for putting forth such an interesting post. But I would have to push back on some of the implications of it, specifically as identified by your borrowed line "If you can't say it, you can't do it." My biggest problem is that above anything else, progressivism is about a particular substance on positions and is not a content-free brand that merits attention. Thus using the word "progressive" does not preclude one from being a progressive based on the content of ones policy ideas and political world view.

The progressive movement is associated with a wide array of issue positions that are generally tied under the banner of progressivism. The assessment of how candidates self-identify as progressives would be relevant only if progressive was an exclusive concept where endorsing all of its precepts were necessary to be labeled as progressive. But it's not - commonalities may exist, but there is no check list to determine if one is, in fact, progressive. There is no umpire and there is no dictionary. Which, I think, is a large part of your point about self-identification.

But why does someone need to identify as progressive, particularly if they are a politician? As I recall, the rise of "progressive" as a label people identified with both online and offline was coupled with the branding of "liberal" as a slur on the lines of communist or terrorist by the right wing smear machine in 2000 and 2004 (and at points in between). "Progressive" became an umbrella that sheltered people who shared these values from the negative attacks associated with "liberal." As its dissemination grew, so too did the concepts and values associated with it.

The question remains what is the difference between a progressive and a liberal? And if candidates are not self-identifying as one, are they identifying as the other in any greater frequency?

Most importantly, if our concern as activists, partisans, and political junkies is one where a certain, distinct set of policies are enacted and attitudes are embraced, does it matter how politicians self-identify?

I say this in large part because the candidate I work for, Chris Dodd, does not self-identify as progressive very often. As noted above, it's not a word used widely on our site. But that does not change the fact that I believe that Senator Dodd is the candidate most likely to offer policy and issue leadership that takes America in the most progressive direction. In fact, Senator Dodd is a great example of why traditional Democratic values are concurrent with liberal and progressive values. From restoring our Constitution to fighting global warming to ending the Iraq war to preserving net neutrality, I see Senator Dodd embracing the same set of positions that progressive activists are pushing for on key issues. Does the lack of self-identification make him any less progressive? I would argue that it does not.

The proof is in the pudding. A president could call himself a jelly donut and it wouldn't matter if his policy world view was one that made America more open, more hopeful and a place where more people have opportunities to succeed. Leadership matters.

The question becomes, then, what is more important: Creating a brand identity by word repetition or creating a substantive set of policy attitudes -- within the Democratic Party but not exclusively -- that are hospitable for self-identified progressives? While the best case scenario may be a combination of both, I don't think credit for progress should be given based around self-identification while excluding but issue leadership as a metric.


"A president could call himself a jelly donut " (4.00 / 3)
Well, one has, actually.

But seriously, you make a good point, Matt - Dodd is a lot more progressive than he gets credit for, and I expected him to get more love from the blogs than he has so far.

I think Chris really gets at what you're talking about here:

This is an important development, because it is an untenable situation for those on the left and center-left in America to have one political party self-identify as conservative, as they other to self-identify as either "moderate" or simply "big tent." Progressives need national leaders, and a national coalition, to articulate a progressive viewpoint in this country. In many ways, that starts with having leaders who are at least willing to call themselves progressives.


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Ich bin ein Berliner (0.00 / 0)
I was getting at JFK with that jelly donut implication, glad you caught it.

I guess that while I agree that we need "national leaders...to articulate a progressive viewpoint" I don't think self-identification is a stand-in for that. If the brand doesn't have meaning, the branding can be co-opted by people who are not identifying with it in a meaningful way (one the furthers the common policy/ideological goals).


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sure (0.00 / 0)
You have to do both. I mean, you can be attacked by your opponents who imbue your brand with negative meaning, like Bush attacking Kerry as a liberal during the debates, for example.

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I'd sooner vote for a croissant (0.00 / 0)
I agree with this. Progressive as a self-descriptor is useful whilst calling oneself a liberal is still risky, but it's nowhere near the solution.

That said, one thing I would like to see is an attempt to return the favour for Republicans. Destroying the word 'conservative' seems a little difficult, but the word 'reactionary' gets little airplay these days and could easily be attached to Republican leaders as an alternative and much more negative descriptive term.

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Save the Brand (0.00 / 0)

If the brand doesn't have meaning, the branding can be co-opted by people who are not identifying with it in a meaningful way (one the furthers the common policy/ideological goals).

Exactly. If the true Progressive candidates identified as such, we would save and strengthen the brand.
If non-progressive candidates corrupt it, then we've lost another valuable word, like liberal.

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Dodd (0.00 / 0)
I like Dodd a lot... if it wasn't for Obama, he or Edwards would be my guy. 

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I feel similarly (0.00 / 0)
If it wasn't for Edwards, I would be picking between Dodd and Obama.

I wonder if Matt's sick of hearing that one!

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Identification and substance (0.00 / 0)
I would simply say that identification and substance both matter. The ideal, I think, it to have both. You want a brand identity that people want to be associated with, and that sets you against conservatives, rather than against the left in a triangulation formula. And, of course, you want substantive policies that will foster a pluralistic society with broad economic prosperity, open government, and foreign policy where the US engages the world as a fellow citizen, not a bully.

You want both, and both do matter. It is easier to push progressive legislation when people want to identify as progressives. It is more fulfilling to self-identify as a progressive when it means something, and is not just an empty term.

So, I would simply say that both matter. However the term progressive came into being, the fact is that it has grown far more acceptable to self-idnetify as one in the media than to identify as a liberal. I just like the term better anyway, since progressive is the literal opposite of conservative. And I intend to keep pushing more candidates to use the term. 


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Did you count use of liberal? (0.00 / 0)
I'm very curious what the results would be.


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Progressive - "I'm not them," campaigning... (0.00 / 0)
I just wanted to point out, that I think some of our presidential candidates are using the term progressive, regardless of how we would define it, in an effort to say they aren't "conservative." They are just trying to say they are different from the other side and previous candidates, in that sense.

Also, as you pointed out, it's a somewhat amorphous term at this point, so it allows them to define themselves with out actually doing so. i.e., it allows the voters to project their own definitions of what a progressive is even though their actual positions may differ on some important issues.


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Without intending to be short (0.00 / 0)
Why doesn't he identify as a progressive?  As Chris touched on, is there any reason to not identify as such if he is? A candidate neednt be ONLY progressive...

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bling (0.00 / 0)
One of the points that I tried to make in my long comment was that the "progressive" brand is a relatively new one qua brand, even if the ideas in it are largely, though not exclusively, continuations of liberal and/or Democratic self-identifications. I've heard Senator Dodd refer to himself or his policies at times as progressive. But my guess is that he doesn't use it more widely simply because it's a new name for something he's seen himself as being for a long time with another name: a Democrat.

That's not to say that the two match up one to one in the current discussion. Chris and Matt have written extensively about the ways that it does not.

To cast a parallel, suppose I've worn jewelry for a long time. I identify it as jewelry. Then a bunch of people come along and start calling what I wear when they wear it "bling". Maybe it is a bit more flashy than what I thought of as jewelry or maybe it's exactly the same or maybe an assortment of both. But does my not wanting to call my jewelry "bling" mean that it's not, for you, bling?

Maybe it's not an artful analogy, but for someone who's been working for Democratic, liberal, progressive policies on issues we care about for as long as Senator Dodd, maybe it serves to explain it about. I'm speaking hypothetically and I have not had this conversation with him.


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Understood (0.00 / 0)
I certainly don't have any particular problem with it...I suppose it's a larger discussion of branding and framing.  I don't know that there's any inherent reason for progressive to automatically become the mantle behind which the Left rallies, but I wonder whether, in general, sticking with more traditional and well-established branding makes it more difficult for a candidate to mold their own public image.

More succinctly, is it better to fight for established branding or build new ones?

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I am not surprised Obama doesn't use the word much (4.00 / 1)
He seems to be campaigning as a bipartisan or even extra-partisan candidate who can "bring people together." I don't think he is positioning himself as the standard-bearer for progressives.

I saw Dean speak several times during 2003, and he liked to borrow Wellstone's line of being from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party. I feel like Edwards is taking on that role (though using different language) in this cycle.

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I think that's what makes Obama great actually (4.00 / 3)
because he's campaigning as the purple candidate in a lot of ways, and yet his voting record and his history and his positions on all the issues are about as liberal as they get.

He won over quite a bit of the Republican vote in Illinois when running for Senate despite the fact that he's incredibly liberal precisely because of his rhetoric. I know gun nuts (like, people with assault weapons) who voted for Obama and who love him even though he consistently voted for MUCH harsher gun laws and restrictions than they would ever like...precisely because of his rhetoric.


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In 2007 - (0.00 / 1)
Obama's coal bill is not "progressive" - nor is his voting with Repubs to confirm rightwing extremist judicial nominees. Obama is more of a Centri$t, like Hillary.



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That's just 100% not true... (4.00 / 1)
There's not a thing that's centrist about either one of them- and both of them are WAY more liberal than Edwards ever was when he was in office. And Edwards can talk all the game he wants about being Mr. Progressive- when he had a chance to actually BE that person, he didn't use it.

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Obama's use of the word progressive (4.00 / 3)
I don't think that Obama's use of the word "progressive" to describe himself is new, as Chris says is one possibility ("Perhaps he has started using the term more often of late"), because he's used it multiple times in reference to himself, his politics, and his values, in "Audacity of Hope," which was published in Ocotber 2006 (and written earlier that year), long before his presidential campaign began.

As an aside, I don't think counting the 3,480 mentions of the word progressive on Edwards' website is really fair. A far more accurate way to measure the "real" uses of the word-- that is, those by the campaign itself-- is by doing a search through each section of the website rather than the blog itself.

For instance, instead of doing a Google search "site:johnedwards.com progresive," you would do a search like "blog.johnewards.com progressive" to find out how many times the word was used on the blog, and then subtract that from the total number found in the first query. According to Google, the term is used 3,840 times on the blog, (mostly in user-generated content, although obviously the term has been used several times since you did Chris' initial Google search), and if you sutract that from the overall current number of mentions for progresive on Edwards' site, you should get a figure closer to the "real" number of mentions of the word. There may be other sections of his campaign's site which allow user generated content (party.johnedwards.com?), but that's a starting point.

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Edwards' Rebranding Effort (4.00 / 3)
I would agree with some of the above comments, but would also like to add that this seems to be part of the Edwards effort to rebrand his candidacy after his loss in 2004. I don't necessarily subscribe to the Jerome Armstrong school of thought regarding campaign labels (if you have to label it a movement, it isn't :: if you have to label yourself a progressive, you aren't), but I think the "branding effort" angle is a valid thing to look at in our candidates' campaigns.

In 2004, and during his pre-2004 campaign Senate career, Edwards was campaigning and voting as a moderate. I'm not sure if it has been established whether or not he was a member of the DLC, but I know he addressed their convention and several of his other speeches from the time appear on their website. Also, the position-tracking siteontheissues.org listed him as a member during the 2004 election.

I'm not trying to attack Edwards as being non-progressive or anti-progressive. He's my 2nd favorite candidate behind Obama, and I believe him when he says his conversion has been sincere. I just think that one of the reasons the word "progressive" comes up so much on his website is that he is engaging in a conscious effort to remake his image in such a style, whereas a candidate like Obama can allow his record to speak for itself (though I'd certainly agree that Obama, while always standing strongly behind his beliefs, tries to avoid partisan labels when possible).


McCain/Giuliani (0.00 / 0)
I guess it's pretty much analogous to McCain's "desperation" to label himself as a conservative. He and Edwards have had similar remakes since their campaign losses: after losing on a moderate platform, they seem to have learned where the bread is buttered in their parties' respective primaries.

That would be an interesting post to put up sometime...


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That would be worth reading (0.00 / 0)
You might also consider adding in the way in which these changes have been received by the party faithful.

Whereas the left of the netroots seems to have largely welcomed Edwards with open arms, the right appears to subscribe to the model of 'once a moderate, always a moderate'.

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i think it would be more useful (2.67 / 3)
to try and define what the heck we mean when we toss around the word "progressive," and what various candidates mean when they use it in various contexts. most of the time, it strikes me as the modern lefty political equivalent of FRESH! or NEW AND IMPROVED!

given the term's use on both the left-grassroots (ie. blogs) and right-insider (ie. NDN/DLC/PPI, etc.) flanks of the party, sorting out the actual political (and dare i say ideological) implications of the label would help in cutting throuigh the branding games a bit.

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Good Point WU!!! (4.00 / 1)
I an still trying to figure out what this so-called movement is.

Personally, I define progressive as its root word progress.  Moving forward.

That could include changing the tax structure or even the sacred cow of social security.  Maybe there is a new and better way to do things.  Adapting to a changing world and circumstances.

Many self-identified "liberals" seem to be very invested in the status quo.  All they want to do is tweak a law here or just increase funding or raise taxes on one segment of the pop.  There is no sense of going beyond or doing anything new.  Many of the candidates healtcare plans are an example of this.

Kucinich and Paul are progessive IMO.  Both advocate real change instead of band-aids yet they are on opposite ends of the liberal conservative spectrum.

I cant imagine anyone advocating Clinton or Biden is a progressive.


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you see, as a historian (0.00 / 0)
the whole assumption that change = progress is a bugaboo of mine. things change all the time, and they don't always improve. or rather, whether the change is an improvement is dependent entirely upon one's political agenda in the first place, which "progressive" doesn't touch upon in the slightest.

it seems to me that we'd be more aware of where our coalition's common ground and internal differences lie if we were more explicit about where we want this country to move towards. without a goal or benchmarks, how can one measure progress, after all?

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Couldn't Care Less (0.00 / 0)
I don't think it matters one iota whether a candidate labels him/herself progressive or not.  It matters a bit what others label him or her.

This to me is an example of classic liberal left-brain thinking.  An elected official who actually does things we all think of us liberal can call themselves a Whig for all it matters. 

I'm much more interested in judging which of the Dem nominees is most likely to actually do progressive things -- you know, like actual health care reform, building our education system, etc., etc.

Why oh why must we always find ways to make things so complex?


It matters to at least some degree (0.00 / 0)
Because people respond to labels.  People expect certain things from certain categories, and so the ways in which those categories are presented in the first place matters down the line in terms of people's disposition towards people with such labels.

If you try orange juice for example and don't like it, you aren't likely to try every brand to see if there's one that doesn't actually taste like orange juice.

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'Progressive' is like 'Against the War' (4.00 / 1)
Just because a politician says it doesn't make it so.

Still, its a positive sign that the most of the Dem candidates are embracing the term so readily.  Means that at least they respect the power of the movement, even if most of them haven't yet bought into the program.


Not a positive sign (0.00 / 1)
If the candidates embrace "progressive" during the campaign, and retreat back to the center/right after they are elected, then there is nothing positive about that. It just means that real progressives were duped (again).

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No question (4.00 / 1)
We need to be vigilant in ensuring we don't let the Progressive label become co-opted by those with less than honorable motives.

My point is that it's still a lot better to have Dem politicians actually speaking to Progressive issues than running away from those issues - as they did in the '90's.


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Talk is Cheap (0.00 / 0)
Being vigilant about Democrats' progressive records is just as empty as their actual records. What are you going to do? Refuse to reelect them unless they TALK about progressive issues again during the next campaign?

The disingenuous "campaign to the left/govern to the right" mentality of the Democrats is counterproductive to any progressive cause. Everyone can pat themselves on the back for a job well done when so-and-so is elected. But then nothing gets done for the next 4 years and the process is repeated again. Don't you get tired of that cycle?


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Edwards' proposals (0.00 / 0)
are much more Progressive than Obama or Hillary.
Take Spectrum - most Obama supporters never heard of it - and I think Edwards is the only candidate to support it.
But with Obama raking in almost $1.5M and Hillary almost $2M from the telecoms just during the lst qtr - it's doubtful either of them would be in a position to tackle the Media Moguls or fight for OUR internet.
Raising taxes on hedge funds is Progressive and proposed by Edwards - but not likely to get much traction from Obama and Hillary raking in the Big Bucks from hedge fund managers.

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Edwards Progressive this Election Year (0.00 / 0)
He wasn't very progressive in 2004. His strategy team has concluded that his best chance to get elected in 2008 is to be the "progressive candidate".

Edwards can talk about all the progressive causes that he wants. The question is what will he do if he gets elected? As I mentioned before, Democrats are very good at campaigning to lefty issues only to abandon them when they get into office.

Sorry, folks ... Edwards, and all of the other establishment Democrats, represent the status quo. They will not get us universal healthcare. They will not get us out of Iraq. They will not get us out of NAFTA, WTO, or do anything else to protect blue collar American jobs. They will not support gay marriage. They will not end the Drug War.


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Books/covers (0.00 / 1)
Granted, just because someone calls him or herself a progressive does not mean that person actually is a progressive.

What, are you telling me that maybe Bush wasn't really a Compassionate Conservative?

/snark

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Liberal (0.00 / 0)
For completeness, what if we use "liberal" instead?

Edwards: 4100
Kucinich: 210
Clinton: 46
Obama: 14
Dodd: 16
Richardson: 8
Biden: 9

Pretty much the same results.  Looking at the results they often aren't even talking about themselves, so I'm not sure if this tells us anything.


What about the size of these websites? (0.00 / 0)
Another thing that just occurred to me reading that list is that we are all assuming that the candidates' websites are all the same size, which they are not.

So any comparison is kind of inherently flawed. What might be more logical is to look at, say, the policy pages of each candidate, or 10 randomly selected pages from each as a sort of survey. Edwards' site, as earlier discussed is really large because of its decision to allow user generated content in a way that the other websites don't allow (which is cool in my opinion). In addition, some of the websites are older than other ones.

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Progressive, the new mainstream (0.00 / 0)
I don't know if it's used throughout the country but the Air America station in LA uses as it's slogan "Progressive, it's the new mainstream".  We recently found out exactly what they mean when they shook up the programming and handed the evening drive-time slot to a former DJ from KABC, not that there's anything wrong with that except the show is very much like standard radio fare.  I'm still trying to figure out what is Progressive about days of coverage on Paris Hilton. 

A few months ago there was the elections of delegates to the State Democratic Party which in most districts involved two slates of delegates running against each other, each identified as Progressive, with them fighting it out which side was the "real Progressives".  The new mainstream indeed.

If anything, the word proves Lenny Bruce right that if you say a word over and over again enough it can lose it's meaning. 


Of course, none of them are actually progressive (0.00 / 0)
No matter how many times they say it, they are not progressive candidates, except ...

Kucinich has a progressive platform. Too bad he is utterly unelectable.


Show, don't tell. (0.00 / 0)
Yikes.  "Progressive" or "liberal," it really doesn't matter much.  These words are meaningless in the hands of these candidates.  Even the most disengaged voter is not going to be fooled by vocabulary because even they have an innate grasp of the creative writing maxim, "show, don't tell."  Biden could claim until the cows came home that he's one or both, but no one will be fooled who actually listens to what he says or reads what he's written.  Likewise for Edwards. 

This is a cynical marketing game designed to snag the drooling semi-lucid voter who might be attracted to those  bright-shiny or words--or the dearth of them. 

It's never too late to take a stand after it's too late. ~~Stephen Colbert


It's the use of the term in the general that matters. (0.00 / 0)
"Progressive" has to be a viable brand to the a broader cross-section of the populace than that that votes in the Democratic primary.  That's the next step to pushing the Republicans around until they are back to where they were in the early fifties: trying to brand themselves as progressive, too, just as they once tried to brand themselves as liberal.  That's when we'll know that they've been reduced to the very bottom of the barrel.  That's when we'll see a return to the type of national consensus that Washington elites are always longing for.  Republicans will be Democratic-lite.

What a candidate calls themselves (0.00 / 0)
is irrelevant to me. I expect them to subscribe to the same agenda to which I subscribe. But, what if a candidate disagrees on one issue, say the war, but agrees on others? Does that mean they are not a "true" progressive?

Perhaps one of the first functions of this site should be to define what we, its members, believe are progressive values and what a progressive candidate must and must not believe.

"I'm not the member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat." Will Rodgers


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