Bush Dogs As Retro

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 13:07


It seems really funny to me that many Democrats, often led my Joe Lieberman and more recently epitomized by the Bush Dogs, have long looked to distance themselves for their own party on national security, even though Democrats actually have an advantage on the issue. Gallup has data showing this:



Now, I have a question for liberal hawks: during the time when Democrats gained on, and eventually overtook, Republicans on national security, did Democrats become more hawkish? As I remember it, during these five years Democrats have gradually and greatly increased their opposition to things like the Iraq war, FISA and the Patriot Act. Even though we are still losing votes on those issues, we are doing a lot better than we were a few years ago.

For years, we have heard the concern troll lines that Democrats won't win elections unless they can convince Americans they will protect them on matters of national security. These lines have variously been delivered as code and as blunt statements that Democrats need to turn to the right on national security matters in order to win elections. The truth is, however, that Democrats gained on Republicans on national security, and then started winning elections, when the party as a whole turned to the left on national security matters. Conservative Democrats who fail to realize this basically can't stop listening to their Devo records, watching Burt Reynolds movies, taping A-Team re-runs, and other macho 80's fads. The simple fact is that the country is no longer right-wing on national security, and Democrats were able to gain an electoral advantage by moving to the left on that issue. Now, to win a national election, it is necessary to run to the left on national security. Even Republicans are trying to claim they favor withdrawal, now.

Sometimes, I wish there was an age limit on serving in Congress or the White House. One of the major problems we face in the progressive movement is that government is one of the slowest institutions to change relative to the rest of society, and one of the reasons for that is because those in charge of it tend to be quite old. The House and the Senate are so old that only very recently was the median age even equal to the oldest Baby Boomers. This is not a group of people who will quickly recognize a shift in the national mood on pretty much anything. Their clothes have gone out of style, and they don't even realize it.
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devo macho? (0.00 / 0)
since when is listening to devo macho???

The definition of macho? (0.00 / 0)

More like the definition of creepy.


Oh yeah (0.00 / 0)
Super macho. Almost as much as the Village People.

[ Parent ]
*Now* he tells us! ;) (0.00 / 0)
Er...
One of the major problems we face in the progressive movement is that government is one of the slowest institutions to change relative to the rest of society, and one of the reasons for that is because those in charge of it tend to be quite old.

Isn't this something lefties should have factored into their planning already?

Perhaps, given the propensity of incumbents to survive, to service their donors and generally take the line of least resistence, it is mathematically impossible to get a progressive majority in Congress.

(I'm sure some polisci types have done game theory work in this area.)

Even if not actually impossible, the leverage required to overcome the resistance to change built into the system may be so great as to be prohibitive.

Definitely an area to be looked into.


Mistaken ideas (0.00 / 0)
1.  What makes Dems look (and be) strong is having strong ideas and being willing to fight for them--i.e., standing up to bush first and foremost.  Following the debacle of the 2002 midterms, a few began to understand that, but not nearly enough.  All this triangulating and worrying about what people will think is what makes Dems look weak and unprinciples.  How to get that through their heads?

2.  There have been elections when a younger generation threw their elders out of office en masse for screwing up badly.  The clearest was the election of 1868, when the generation responsible for the Civil War was thrown out and the average age of Governors and legislators dropped dramatically. Also 1872.  It can be done.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


Woah! (0.00 / 0)
It's been awhile since I immersed myself in Reconstruction politics, but I clearly recall that Andrew Johnson got trounced in his 1866 attempt to boot out the radical Republicans.  And in 1868, according to Wikipedia, the Republicans lost just two seats net in the House, while Democrats gains came from readmitting Southern states.

The GOP's 70.3% supermajority in 1868 is the kind of "repudiation" that any politician today would gladly welcome.

I'm all in favor of the sentiment, but let's keep our facts straight.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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In my humble opinion.... (0.00 / 0)
....Chris's point about the age of our 'leaders' is the most important thing said in some time here.

Take a gander at Senator Warner, or listen to him if you can find a clip, it's disturbing.

Folks over 70 should not be 'governing' our country; they have neither the mental capacity nor the energy to do so.

Not sure what to do about this other than make it a campaign issue; and before you start teh pile-on remember who watches O'Lielly. The old folks are Republican already.


Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


I Beg To Differ (4.00 / 1)
Some folks are way too old and set in their ways at 11.  Others are young in spirit, heart and mind well into their 80s, 90s or even beyond.

For example, it was precisely his seniority and vast experience that made Byrd such a clear, remarkable and outspoken voice against Bush and the war at a time when no other Senator spoke out in similar terms.

He didn't suddenly become a great liberal paragon.  He was the same old mixed bag of contradictions he had always been.  But in crunch time, he knew what mattered, in part because he'd been around so long, and had enough personal experience to match with the lessons of history.

Age certainly takes its toll, make no mistake.  But for more than a few, it remains the case that, "that which does not kill me, makes me stronger."

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


[ Parent ]
Byrd would not be my choice to defend your.... (0.00 / 0)
....assertion but no matter.

I answer back with Strom Thurmond (now dead), Ted Stevens, John Warner, Arlen Specter, DiFi, Hatch and so on.

If you check this list out:

http://en.wikipedia....

...you will understand my assertion that we''ve got way too many senile fools in the Senate. In the cutthroat environment of big corporations the age when one could expect to become a CEO is now a little over 48 and the tenure you might expect to hold that postition is getting shorter. That's far younger than the 70 and 80 year olds 'running' the Senate.

This is, I realize, and uprovable assertion but I have no confidence in the aged folks we've got 'leading' us and I really think their age does play a role in their failures.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


[ Parent ]
Age may be an issue, but.... (0.00 / 0)
I think term limits will be more effective in giving new people a chance and ousting those we don't want embedded in the Capitol chambers.  Term limits might also cut down on the lobbying and contractor relationships that rely on the good ol' boys to keep on keepin' on.

There is absolutely no reason for someone to "serve their country" in the capacity of Senator or Representative for something like 37 years.

Being one of the younger boomers, I remember when my yob was the cutoff point, but that goalpost has been moved numerous times.

I listened to Senator Byrd last night exhort his fellows to END THIS WAR.  It is painful to watch him use every ounce of his energy to do so, but I have to give him credit for being outspoken and not caring what the others think.  Although he is not a Bush Dog, Byrd could have easily retired years ago. 

I am heartened that so many Republicans are retiring this year.  I think it's mostly that they are fed up with their party's upholding such a terrible president.  Many of them will become more outspoken once they are out of there.


OMG (0.00 / 0)
Chris, after I posted my comment, I noticed the Ads by Google section right under your blog, and it has a W 2004 ad, wich I clicked on to see if it was a "For Bush" site, which it was.  (Goes to http://www.cafepress...

I suppose OpenLeft doesn't have any control over which ads get pushed to your site, but I was shocked to see this one.  The next time I checked it was "Why Mommy is a Democrat" ~~ so maybe there is some control, somewhere.

Just thought you'd like to know.


Damn (0.00 / 0)
It is still there. Ugh.

But hey, I have never had a strict, pro-progressive advertising policy anywhere. Hell, back in 2004, I let an ad for the libertarian candidate for President run on MyDD. The way I figure it, if I am going to complain about media outlets not running progressive ads from MoveOn or UCC, I should run ads from pretty much anyone who wants to do so (hate groups would be an obvious exception). Also, I have no problem with taking a bit of their money, and putting it to good use!

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it's always time for DEVO. (0.00 / 0)
DEVO was never retro they were ahead of the their time, and if all you know of them is "whip it" then you are forbidden from ever mentioning them as a pop reference again. :)

take Freedom of Choice for instance:

lyrics:
A victim of collision on the open sea
Nobody ever said that life was free
Sank, swam, go down with the ship
But use your freedom of choice

Ill say it again in the land of the free
Use your freedom of choice
Your freedom of choice

In ancient rome there was a poem
About a dog who found two bones
He picked at one
He licked the other
He went in circles
He dropped dead

Freedom of choice
Is what you got
Freedom of choice!

Then if you got it you dont want it
Seems to be the rule of thumb
Dont be tricked by what you see
You got two ways to go

Ill say it again in the land of the free
Use your freedom of choice
Freedom of choice

Freedom of choice
Is what you got
Freedom of choice!

In ancient rome
There was a poem
About a dog
Who found two bones
He picked at one
He licked the other
He went in circles
He dropped dead

Freedom of choice
Is what you got
Freedom from choice
Is what you want
(repeat)

and just for the hell of it:
Come back jonee

and Beautiful World, which is an incredible song:

DEVO were amazingly ahead of their time.
make no mistake about that, and if the Republicans ever were to listen to DEVO, we would be in a parallel world that actually is quite awesome.

-C.

PS: one of my favorite bands ever, even now, and I am very musically active!


'Devo' spelled backwards is 'oy, vey!' (0.00 / 0)
shirley Nancy Pelosi is a Bush Dog Democrat. (And don't call her 'surely.')

SUPPORT Cindy Sheehan !!

I expect that might seem to be a trivial mention to activistic folks who are not even old enough to have one of their children in Iraq, nevermind having their child taken away, blown to bits, dead and gone from you, for the apathetic sake of that IGNORANT LIAR Bush.


(against Pelosi) -->SUPPORT Cindy Sheehan ... (0.00 / 0)
... and Cindy Sheehan brings SUPPORT for You.

Prominently.  Daily.  Petty and Cruel Dictator, by Cindy Sheehan, September 25, 2007.  F'r instance.


[ Parent ]
Actually..... (0.00 / 0)
....there is a feminine for 'dog' which I have used in connection with Miss Nancy but which, for reasons of comity and...fear, I will refrain from suggesting here.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.

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