Obama Movement, Chances in NH, Dead

by: Matt Stoller

Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 18:46


I just read this story in the Politico, 'Anti-Hillary Facebook site tops Obama', and it's really sad.  It talks about how the group 'Million Strong for Barack' has been sagging in growth, while an anti-Clinton group is exploding in popularity.

The growth rate of One Million Strong for Barack on Facebook is only a trickle compared to that of its early days, despite national media attention and outreach efforts by its creators. Since the group started in February, its growth rate has leveled off "in the low single digits," Sifry said.

That figure doesn't fully reflect Obama's online support, however. His presidential campaign recently created its own social networking website, mybarackobama.com. The site has 80,000 registered users and more than 250,000 "participants," said campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki.

Pulling out of the public space so they could have control was just a symbol, like the Joe Andrews MySpace debacle, of a candidate that sought control.  Obama had a movement, and killed it.  And the numbers, 80,000 in the social network on Obama's site, aren't good.  But beyond the numbers, for the progressive movement, here's the real cost.

As a recent graduate of the University of North Dakota, Farouk Olu Aregbe had enough time to create One Million Strong for Barack the same day that the Illinois senator formed his exploratory committee.

Aregbe thought he could mobilize young voters by creating a Facebook group, but after experiencing substantial growth initially, his group leveled off in the early spring.

Aregbe blames the summer for the loss of momentum. "Between May, June and July, we probably declined about a few thousand members," he said. Now that students are back in school, the pro-Obama group has experienced a kick-start in membership, although its current growth is "modest" compared to earlier accruals, Sifry said.

The summer break didn't slow down Stop Hillary Clinton, because of the "singularity of the group's message, said DeMaura, a recent graduate of American University in Washington who is executive director of the New Hampshire GOP.

I met Aregbe at the Personal Democracy Forum, and he was precisely the kind of person who would in 2004 have become an incredible leader in the Dean campaign.  He's brilliant, and a natural organizer.  I remember he didn't have business cards, so I gave him one of mine to write on and he made sure to write on the front and the back so I wouldn't give it away absent-mindedly to someone else.  It just showed terrific instincts.  There is no movement for him to lead anymore.  The summer argument isn't real; Dean's summer tour in August was huge.  And then there's this more significant problem.

The survey finds that Hillary is supported by 43%, compared to 20% for Obama, 12% for Edwards, and six percent for Richardson.

A CNN poll taken in the state in July found Hillary with only a nine-point lead. The 14-point jump in her lead is due to Hillary rising seven points and Obama dropping the same amount. What's more, perceptions of Hillary's "electability" have jumped significantly: 54% of respondents think she's the Dem most likely to win in November 2008, while only 37% thought that in July.

Were Obama or Edwards to lead on stopping the new FISA bill from passing, there might be some movement from them.  Clinton's fear-based campaign is weak, and she's not creating a particularly strong coalition.  The environment will probably swamp those dynamics, but she is vulnerable if Obama or Edwards were to bother taking advantage of it.

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Hey Matt, relax (4.00 / 4)
I read this blog off and on and just had to register to comment on Matt's post.

1. Measuring online growth of a campaign without taking in the whole picture is misleading. Obama's growth on Facebook and MySpace has slowed, and so has ALL the other candidates.  Take a look at Ron Paul's growth and you get the picture. It's the summer blues.

2. I hate to say this, but MySpace and Facebook will not win anyone any election. They are nice bragging rights and a symbol of online presence but in terms of moving votes and deciding elections, you can bet their impact will be minuscule.

3. I know you like picking on Barack Obama (maybe you secretly are pushing for him to win?) but take it easy. I was in Iowa supporting Kerry. Everyone sold the Kerry campaign short. What counts is gaining momentum in the last month before the caucus. Obama and Edwards numbers in NH don't look great, but I would be the last to dismiss their campaigns as "DEAD". They have enough time to gain solid ground as voters are starting to pay more attention.

Any why are you picking on Obama only and not Edwards or Richardson? Yes, Matt is rooting for Obama or in other words he really can't stand Hillary and is hoping Obama beats her for the nomination.


100 Days (0.00 / 0)
It seems strange, but even for me, a self-described astute political observer, I just realized that the primary election is just around the corner. For me, summer just ended and 2008 seems a long time from now. My point is, if I am just coming to this realization, is the electorate in New Hampshire and Iowa ready to elect the next President?

Still, 100 days is a long time in politics. Anything can happen, but the question that needs to be analyzed in the NH polls specifically, but also in the Iowa polls, is how soft the support for any of the candidates are? It seems like nearly every other day there is a poll that suggests that strong support for all the candidates are low, and that many minds are changed in the last months before the election.

As someone who hopes that Hillary does not receive the nomination, but will whole-heartedly support her in the general election, the larger problem in the inevitability  meme that is perpetuated. I hope that Edwards, Obama, Dodd, and Richardson are all able to break through this perception and seen by the voters as legitimate.


[ Parent ]
The real scary thing is the dates for Iowa and NH (4.00 / 1)
the results are in the books by the 12th of Jan if I am not mistaken.

Let's think about the implications of that.

The most intense time for field for every campaign is now immediately following Thanksgiving and the holiday month of December. Typically for NH anyway ( I live in MA) there is heavy reliance on the college kids to come up from surrounding colleges and canvas but the calendar keeps the vast majority of those student volunteers studying for finals and then they are heading home. Additionally you have weekend activists from neighboring states that would normally head up to phonebank and hit the pavement.

This year?

Weekends in Dec? Good luck getting the same number of  volunteers as opposed to last cycle 4 years ago.

Good luck finding anyone at home to canvas.

Last time around volunteers had  practically the whole month of Jan compared to this time.

These campaigns are going to have a rough time gaging support or movement.

  I have been up in NH all summer and have seen every Democrat except Gravel for BelowBoston.com and the crowd sizes for Clinton, Obama, Edwards, and Richardson have exceeded expectations as compared to crowd sizes from 4 years ago;I've spoken to press secretaries and NH Democratic Party officials who agree that interest is up but still a heavy undecided presence. I have seen that for myself. When I would ask voters at random if they were at the event for whatever candidate appearing as supporters of that candidate very few would say they had made up their mind. Granted, it is not scientific but it was so overwhelmingly undecided even when I would ask about "leaning". "No, shopping around" was invariably the answer.

The possibility exists that we will all be surprised - campaigns included-- on Jan 13th.

These date are lousy; they should be at the end of Jan. just to give everyone- the voter, the candidates, the volunteers, the chance to focus on this election without the distraction of holidays.


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Yes, this is going to be a big problem (0.00 / 0)
I have already started working my precinct, but the key time is during the final weeks. I have no clue how I will reach people at home, and I'm not sure I even want to be calling or knocking on their doors during the holiday season. I fear that will piss people off and cause a backlash against my candidate.

In 2004 I had a solid couple of weeks to work my precinct after New Year's. That was important.

Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.


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What?? (0.00 / 0)
Yes, Matt is rooting for Obama

Really?????

How did you come to this conclusion?


[ Parent ]
Off topic - Ruffini on Clinton (4.00 / 1)
I must say I agree with much of what Ruffini has to say about HRC:

"So what Hillary told us on Sunday is that she will refuse to be pinned down on a date certain for withdrawal. (She won't even apologize for her 2002 vote!) Until she does, her pledge to end the war should be laughed at, and this should be used to drive a wedge between Hillary and her anti-war base."

http://hughhewitt.to...

Aside from Richardson, will any Dem go after her on this point?


Facebook is a poor political organizing platform (0.00 / 0)
As Aregbe will tell you, Facebook is severely limited in what can be done from an organizing standpoint. Most importantly, Facebook turns off the mass messaging feature for any large group. Meaning there's no good way to contact all the supporters who sign up. MySpace is slightly better thanks to the "Bulletin" functionality that essentially acts as mass messaging.

I'm not sure how you're such an expert on online organizing, but I'd think that 9 out of 10 actual online organizers working for our side would say that getting 80,000 people to create an account on a website is pretty damn good. Launching their own activism network was just good organizing strategy, and Edwards and Clinton have also launched similar platforms. It had nothing to do with their disdain for the "public space", and everything to do with being competent organizers.

For more about social/activism networks and their effectiveness, I'd suggest watching/downloading this video adapted from a talk I did at Rootscamp last year:

DFA-Link as a Niche Social Network

Leftmost Bit


MySpace (0.00 / 0)
I am still waiting for the campaign that provides metrics to show MySpace is worth more than the earned media articles generated about it's presence in the political space & their debate.

I know for Dodd, and other campaigns I've spoken to, you get a response rate of about .05% to 1% at best of your "friends" when you send out a bulletin.  And that's not even get off the computer type "responses" like RSVP'ing to volunteer.  We're talking basic transfer of information from MySpace friends to campaign email list via signing a petition.

Not very efficient when you compare it to most of the other tools campaigns have decided to employ when attempting mobilization.

Tim


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Matt (0.00 / 0)
I think it would be cool if you did some polling in Iowa and New Hampshire asking if a presidential candidate took bold stances on some issue (FISA, Residual Forces, Carbon Tax, Single-Payer, etc) would you be more willing to support them. Like what ONE Campaign did. If the results were positive we could organize some press conferences, launch some petitions, create some videos, etc. That might make some candidates take more bold positions. I would chip in some money on that.

On Obama I'd just like to say he just now started running ads in New Hampshire and hasn't done any mailings or anything. He is just now kicking off his full campaign.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


So Poor Planning Is His Excuse??? (0.00 / 0)
I mean he's raised all that money, right?  So why wasn't he spending any of it?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I know we like to think (0.00 / 0)
that the netroots has a general feel for the political concerns of average Americans but that is just not the case. Matt's logic at the end of his post is just downright silly. The average American doesn't know what FISA is. The average American doesn't know what Facebook and Myspace are. They care about meat and potato issues and, sorry to say, the causes that the netroots care about with passion (and rightly so) are not what is on the mind's of voters. Hillary is not getting her support from the netroots - she is getting it from average Americans nostalgic for the 1990s.

It is people like Matt and Kos who do nothing but break Obama and Edwards' balls for not being progressive champions who hurt them. If they spent more time trying to bolster their campaigns and not break down where there campaigns are failing, maybe we wouldn't be seeing Hillary run away with this thing.

I don't know about all of you, but I am personally hoping that Obama and Edwards use tonight's debate as a chance to really put Hillary on the defensive. Time is running out and I am sick and tired of Hillary not only getting a free pass but I am sick and tired of progressive people shitting on the only progressive candidates with a chance of winning in this race. Forget the Dodd lovefest. Forget the Carbon tax or single payer. Just try to derail Hillary, that's all that should really matter right now.


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