On The Democratic Party, Building Coalitions, and Cindy Sheehan

by: Chris Bowers

Sat Jul 14, 2007 at 17:32




This is a sentiment with which I simply cannot agree:

Sheehan, who has never held political office, recently said that she was leaving the Democratic Party because it "caved" in to the president. Last week, she announced her caravan to Washington, D.C., which she calls the "people's accountability movement."

Counterpunch, among other places, has the full text of Cindy Sheehan's letter on why she is leaving the Democratic Party.  The letter does not make it entirely clear that she ever was providing active support to the Democratic Party in the first place, especially when she write in the letter that "I knew having a Democratic Congress would make no difference in grassroots action." Still, I'll take her at her word, and go along with the claim that she was an active, supportive member of the Democratic Party, but has decided to leave it after the Democratic-controlled Congress capitulated by providing more, virtually blank-check, funding of the Iraq war. I am generally not a very skeptical person when it comes to other people, and I have no problem taking them at their word when it comes to claims like this.

Although I have not suffered a personal loss such as hers, I can also at least empathize with the anger and frustration that Sheehan feels at the passage of the funding bill. I was angry and frustrated when it happened, too. Still, my reaction was a little different than hers. Instead of moving about one hundred miles to a nearby congressional district and running a third party challenge against Steny Hoyer, or whoever, I decided to take out my frustrations by picking a fight with Third Way. At the time, I felt groups like Third Way were indirectly responsible for the failure of the 110th Congress to end the war. I know at this point that they are probably opposed to the war, and support redeployment, but I felt that the longstanding practice within certain segments of the Democratic coalition, such as Third Way, to distance themselves from the left had resulted in a situation where even a Congress with a Democratic majority would sometimes still pass right-wing legislation. So, I wrote a post, picked my fight, felt a little bit better for a few minutes, and began thinking about ways that the upcoming September funding fight could be waged more effectively.

(This lengthy post continues in the extended entry).

Chris Bowers :: On The Democratic Party, Building Coalitions, and Cindy Sheehan
But then, the next day, something strange happened: Third Way emailed me a response. I guess receiving a response was not so unusual in and of itself, but the type of response they sent certainly was. They discussed, in detail, specific aspects of my original post. They expressed the same worries about triangulation that I had expressed. They placed themselves in a historical context of progressivism in America, as we are struggling to do here at Open Left. They even talked about the progressive movement. In short, what was unusual about the response was, dare I say it, it felt like a "real" blog post. It was not something we bloggers typically receive from a progressive institution, or that I was used to hearing in my discussions with communications staffers from electoral campaigns. In a second article, I went on to still express some concerns about their name. Keeping with the form of their earlier response, they then wrote me a response to the second piece. Again, with both of us pleased with the level of response they sent, Matt and I published their second response on MyDD. Excited by the possibilities this exchange seemed to promise, a few days later we hatched the idea of having a Right To Respond on our new website, which we eventually named Open Left. In fact, the decision to settle on the name Open Left was at least partially rooted in this conversation with third Way, since I wanted to brand us as both not moderate, but still willing to engage in broad discussion with a wide range of progressive groups, including Third Way.

Now, I still disagree with Third Way on a lot of things, but I really like the fact that we are talking to each other. The type of "first past the post" electoral system we have in this country requires a broad coalition to get elected, much less pass public policy once you are elected. I want to pass progressive, left-wing legislation in a number of policy areas, and I know that is never going to happen unless a broad coalition is organized to make that possible. In the end, that is really all the Democratic Party is: a coalition building vessel through which people can be elected and, once elected, public policy can be passed. The Democratic Party does not stand for anything, and I mean that in a good way. It is simply a vessel, a legal structure, and an amalgamation of almost entirely non-ideological bylaws through which electoral and governing coalitions can be built. Right now, it is a place where progressives, moderates, greens, and even some libertarians and conservatives can come together and try to forge an alternative governing coalition to that currently offered by the conservative movement-dominated Republican Party. It is a place where we can all talk to each other, like when lefties such as Matt and myself can talk with Third Way. To leave the Democratic Party is to abandon the largest coalition vessel currently available to progressives in America to win elections and pass public policy.

To further explain this point, let me quote at length from a very old, pre-MyDD blog post of mine from back when I was just a diarist at Dailykos.

The Democratic Party, one of the oldest, if not the oldest, continually active political party in the world, does not does not have a single ideological stance that has remained constant throughout its entire, or even the majority, of its existence. In fact, there might not be a single issue on which it has not published at least two diametrically opposed national platform planks. There is not, nor has there ever been, a Democratic Party Constitution that presents a series, or even a single, set of core beliefs. A majority of the population of every single state, and probably every single county, in the entire nation has both voted for and against the Democratic candidate for President at different times. Further, as we all know the majority of Democrats in one region of the country bare little or no resemblance to Democrats in a different region of the country. Still further, the majority of every ideological and demographic group in the country has, at different times, voted both for and against Democratic party candidate for President. In the future, there is no reason to expect that this rapid pattern of change, evolution and redefinition will not continue.

In short, the Democratic Party, when considered as an abstract concept, over the long term stands for nothing and no one. Instead of serving as an outlet for a fixed ideology or for a particular group of people, it instead serves as an empty vessel into which a temporary, broad coalition can fit, and also as an engine for electing that coalition to public office. Since the make-up of that that coalition is itself always changing, the "Party" itself will always be changing. However, rather than being a negative, I submit that this notion, that the Democratic Party does not stand for anything and is instead an empty vessel serving at the behest of an ever changing coalition, is exactly the reason why independent and third-party progressives, lefties, and radicals should join it.(…)

Most of what I am saying here is not new. We all know and encourage people on the left to help participate in changing the Democratic Party. We all know that the Democratic Party only stands for what its active members demand for it stand and, as such, that its beliefs change over time.

By running a third-party challenge against Nancy Pelosi, Cindy Sheehan has made it perfectly clear that she finds the idea of coalition building in American politics unimportant, and working with people who agree with you on many things, but not on all things, impossible to stomach. She could have chosen to run a primary challenge against Nancy Pelosi, and then run a campaign based on Democratic failures surrounding Iraq and oversight of the executive branch. Not only would such a campaign have held the advantages of taking place sooner, not only would it have focused on a more progressive voter pool that probably would have improved what will almost certainly be an anemic vote total, and not only would such a move have had the advantage of not being entirely overshadowed by the 2008 Presidential election come next October and November, but it also would have demonstrated that she is serious about achieving political results. To thumb your nose at the largest coalition currently available to progressives in America, one that controls Congress, features a large and vibrant Out of Iraq Caucus, an even larger Progressive Caucus, and the only fifteen members of Congress to sign on in favor of impeachment, is to throw away the entire idea that building coalitions is unimportant. Are these people Cindy Sheehan does not want to work with? Who would she caucus with if she were elected? Leaving the Democratic Party means you are leaving those people too.

In fact, even apart from working with other Democrats, who does Cindy Sheehan hope will vote for her? I can only imagine that it is the same people, mainly Democrats, who have voted for Nancy Pelosi on several occasions. In Nancy Pelosi's district, she will need a huge number of Democratic votes to win. She wants Democrats to vote for her, and she wants Democrats to vote her way, but she does not actually want to be associated with those Democrats herself. Or, perhaps I am assuming too much, and she doesn't really care about actually winning the election. In my view, that would once again demonstrate a lack of seriousness about actually changing public policy.
 
If progressives leave the Democratic Party, it might help them feel uncorrupted, but it won't help them pass progressive policy or build broad coalitions of any sort. If progressives leave the Democratic Party, it might help them further their argument that the Democratic Party is only slightly different from the Republican Party, but it will only be a self-fulfilling action. Of course the Democratic Party will be less progressive if progressives leave it, just as it will become more progressive if more progressives join it! In fact, if Cindy Sheehan were to win, Steny Hoyer would probably become Speaker of the House. Yeah--that will certainly swing the Democratic Party to the left, and result in impeachment charges being brought up against Bush, Cheney, Gonzales and others. Count on it.

The fact is, that if you leave the Democratic Party, it clearly signals that you do not want to work with the people within the Democratic Party anymore. It means you don't care about building coalitions. It means you can't stomach dissent in the party. It means you would rather be pure than build a coalition that would actually pass the sort of public policy you want, including impeaching Bush. The bottom line is this: if Cindy Sheehan were to run her campaign as a Democratic primary challenge to Nancy Pelosi, then her arguments might hold some weight. Personally, I would still encourage people to vote for Nancy Pelosi, but I wouldn't begrudge others who planned to act differently. I think primary challenges are a good thing, a way we can have discussions within our coalition, and a way to pressure fellow Democrats to adopt more of your positions. That is why I wrote the following in my Eight Rules of Progressive Realpolitik:

  1. The Democratic Party is the primary vessel of the progressive coalition. It is impossible to enact real change without an electoral apparatus within your movement. In a two-party system, it is thus necessary to adopt one of the two parties as the electoral vessel of your coalition.

  2. Within the coalition, intra-party democracy must always be adhered to. All party nominees must be determined by an elective primary open to all registered members of the party in the relevant district. The winner of the primary must always be supported by all members of the party apparatus, and all rank and file members should vote for the nominee (especially those who voted in the primary).

Unfortunately, it appears that Cindy Sheehan adheres to the concept of intra-party democracy about as much as Joe Lieberman. That is her decision, and her embrace of irrelevance and self-defeating means of achieving power is her own. It is too bad, really, because two years ago she showed real promise as a new generation of protest leader, whose innovative tactics made the corporate media listen to anti-war protests more than they had to three years of some of the largest protests in the history of the world. I believe, actually, February 15, 2003 was the largest worldwide protest in the history of the world. And she got more attention then that! It was a promising time. This is not.

I am sure that in the coming days Matt will add more depth to our discussion of coalition building, by providing perspective on how to build a coalition around ideas and values. I look forward to that discussion, because building successful coalitions is something we need to talk more about. David Sirota already touched on it in his first piece on Open Left back on Wednesday. We will never be successful alone. We have to work together. We have to build coalitions together. Let's start by talking to each other.
 


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well said (0.00 / 0)
And that was a great post back at dailykos too. 

I hope you succeed in increasing communication.


New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


This is my district (3.00 / 4)
I'm both a voter and somebody who was worked in almost every role on campaigns in SF and Sheehan's *campaign* is actually nothing more than a joke. This has received almost zero local reaction (a one-line quick hit on Calitics and some mockery) and even the furthest left people I know don't even seem to care. For instance, the other night I was out with some local bloggers types and later in the evening we were joined by the woman who was the Green Party nominee against Pelosi last year. We talked about about everything in local politics but Sheehan's name never came up. Sure this will get some ink the type of publications that write stories like, In Re-election Bid, a Mayor Versus a Cast of Characters, but it isn't a real campaign and she is only marginalizing herself.

San Francisco activists have realized that general elections are the time to focus on beating Republicans. For instance, running up to every election since I moved here the Castro district has been ground zero for tabling. But in the run-up to last November's election it was politically dead quiet as everyone was out walking for Jerry McNerney or Charlie Brown.

The one good thing is that to the extent this is mentioned, it will spur unsolicited donations to the Speaker, which I'm confident will go to good use in districts where the Democrat needs to do more than put her name on the ballot. If you would like to be one of those people, you can do so here.

(totally unrelated, but Pelosi has only raised $125 from two people on actblue? WTF?)

Throw her some coin people!.


SF activists, I don't know (4.00 / 1)
Berkeley Activists don't trust Democrats further than they can spit, after decades of trying to trust them.

since we are going anecdotal.

she'll get press, it will hurt elsewhere.

it's not good politics to just mock, though it is Democratic policy.

btw, I wouldn't vote for her, this is analysis, not campaign advocacy.


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Cindy Sheehan (0.00 / 0)
I admire Cindy Sheehan because she had the guts to stand up to a coward and deserter form Vietnam days when very few people were speaking out against this guy.  She brought attention to the Iraq War in ways that had not been done previously.  How war affects the families of those who serve.  The sacrifices we make that very few people are making in this country, while our loved ones are at risk in the combat zone 24/7.  Her family paid the ultimate sacrifice.  For that reason, I gave her a lot of leeway, when I thought sometimes she went a little overboard.
I agree that if she is serious, and I really don't think she is, that she would put up a primary fight against Nancy.  She knows she would lose. (I can read minds.)  That is why she is going independent.  I think this will all fade away in a very short time because Nancy's district is married to her and Cindy will not be able to break up that union.
I live in NC 7 and many of us here are very unhappy with our Rep and we are looking for someone to challenge him in the primary.  He is a DINO.  But, we want to keep the district Democratic, so if we are fortunate enough to find a great candidate, he/she will have to be a Democrat and not a maverick.

NC 7 (0.00 / 0)
Sorry.  That pretty much sucks.

A

PS  Are you a regular on BlueNC with a new name here at Open Left?  We're looking for people in the 7th.  Stop by?

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It's Worth Noting (4.00 / 10)
that Sheehan contemplated running against Diane Feinstein in the primary last year, and Barbara Boxer talked her out of it.  So it's possible that Boxer bears some responsibility for Sheehan deciding to leave the party.

The problem is--as it has always been--that people involved in grassroots issue organizing not only have a different mentality as a group, they also face a very different set of incentives.  It's all well and good to point your finger at Sheehan and say, "She shouldn't be doing this because of my PhD dissertation on American politics." (No sneering intended. I, too, have written my own shadow version of that same dissertation.)  But it's more complicated than just being right.

It's the issue activist's job to move the agenda on their issue--often one that seems hopelessly marginalized.  It's the party activist's job to translate the PhD dissertation rationale into something tangible that makes the issue activist want to work within the party.  And I have to say that party activists have not done a whole heck of a lot to make Cindy Sheehan and others like her see the sense of working within the party.

This is something that I think needs a lot more attention: what do we do to make the logic of intra-party coalition politics make sense for issue activists who don't already see the sense in it?  Exlaining to oursevles why they're wrong is all well and good.  But it doesn't actually solve any problems.  It's a good start to be clear about the logic for ourselves.  But that alone is not going to convince many people who aren't already convinced.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


I agree with Rosenberg (4.00 / 9)
I am puzzled by this criticism of Sheehan.

Running in a primary against Pelosi in San Francisco is a non-starter.

An insurgent like Sheehan has virtually no chance of beating a party-backed incumbent who has been in office as long as Pelosi. The playing field is not level.

Sheehan is not trying to build the Democratic Party. She apparently does not consider it an "empty vessel" in which to pour her anti-Iraq activism or an institutional vehicle within which to build a coalition. (Just how Chris thinks this woman could build a coalition within the party all by herself and with whom is not clear to me from his post.)

Basically, I infer that she probably feels Democrats in Congress and the Democratic presidential candidates are not going to be able to cut mustard on the Iraq issue and fighting it out with them inside the party is a hopeless proposition. If this is the case, she may right about that.

I agree with Paul Rosenberg that Chris's post is well-meaning but may be missing the point. Sheehan should do whatever she thinks is the best way to make her point about the pointlessness of the war in Iraq and the death of her son. She doesn't owe anything to the Democratic Party and she has no obligation to support it as it tries to find its way out of the wilderness in which it has lost itself on the war issue.

I think it's great that Chris and Matt want to help transform the Democratic Party into a progressive bastion.

But Sheehan appears to have a more focused objective and message. I'm pleased she thinks she has found in the prospect of running against Pelosi a bully pulpit from which to speak her mind, especially in the wake of her dejected "retirement" several months ago. More power to her!

In the meantime, I think this woman has taken a huge amount of undeserved heat and abuse from virtually every quarter and I am not pleased to see her come in for more criticism here. Enough already!

 


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this doesn't make much sense to me (0.00 / 0)
I cannot imagine that she has any more chance of winning a general election than a primary.  It seems absurd to argue otherwise.

To the extent that she gains any more publicity in the general, it is designed to drag down the Democratic party. 

Since that is the only party that could possibly get enough votes to change anything, her actions are damaging. 



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Sheehan is the canary in the coal mine (4.00 / 2)
It's a good start to be clear about the logic for ourselves.  But that alone is not going to convince many people who aren't already convinced.

for a whole subset of Progressive voters disaffected with the Democratic party. 

Whether Sheehan is, or ever was, a "Democrat" is beside the point.  The real issue should be why she no longer feels that her interests are represented.


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Excellent Post... (4.00 / 4)
and honestly, I wish you'd consider cross-posting it at DKos and elsewhere. I'm particularly glad that you blockquoted from your own older diary at DKos about this history of the Democratic party. I think you're absolutely right about the history (although I certainly searched my own brain to find just ONE thing that may have been constant, nothing came up), and I really like the way you refer to the Democratic Party as an "empty vessel". That's exactly how I see it.

It reminds me of that Ghandi quote, "Be the change you wish to see in the world"...I just translate that down to party level.

And your comments about Sheehan are good as well. There are several things that frustrated me as she made her announcement. First, the target- targeting Pelosi of all people makes absolutely zero sense. If she really wants to see impeachment back on the table she needs to focus on targeting someone else- Pelosi can't be seen as pushing for impeachment and in the end, she's one of the most progressive Dems we have in office. Sheehan should have targeted someone else- a Republican in CA or a more conservative Democrat.

Second, she switched her focus to impeachment. I understand that she feels Bush deserves impeachment, that's fine. I don't want to argue about that- but in the past she's pretty much solely focused on ending the War in Iraq- and now, when we have 70% of the people behind that idea, she decides to change the subject? Seems really strange to me. Impeachment proceedings aren't going to end the war- a vote to end the war is what's going to do it...and we can't do that without enough Republicans to override a veto- so again, target the appropriate politicians with the right message and then maybe she could achieve some of what she wants to achieve.

Last, I don't know if I can find a "nice" way to phrase this- but I'll give it my best shot- basically, I don't think she has shown a capacity to learn and move forward. What I mean is that she has made mistakes in the past (the Chavez thing) and she has basically refused to even see that that was a mistake. The enemy of the enemy is not your friend...she needs to realize that that phrase, as annoying as it may be as often as it's repeated, has some validity- there is a reason it gets a lot of play. Then there are her recent comments which show a lack of understanding of our history- of the Democratic party's history, even of just the way our government works.

My suspicion (based on what she's said recently) is that she's been listening to people who do not have her best interests in mind- or the best interest of the soldiers stuck in Iraq for that matter.

If she'd said she was going to challenge Pelosi in a primary I would still disagree with her attempt to do so, but I wouldn't disagree as vehemently as I do now- with her suggestion of an independent run.

We have to work from within the party to change it. That's the only way to achieve progressive goals...

I firmly believe that if every progressive in this country voted Democratic in every election, we'd have a majority for decades to come. We won't win much fractured off into smaller groups- that's just common sense.


Different worlds (0.00 / 0)
Here's a decent example of why you and Sheehan inhibit different worldviews: 

Events such as the "Chavez thing" represented to her a symbolic show of solidarity with arguably the most progressive force on planet earth right now.  It's uncomfortable terrain because sympathy with non-American progressive forces often bring up the critique of capitalism, a taboo topic for winners of the Cold War, but on the table for billions worldwide.  It's not enough to equate socialism with Stalin and Castro, because the wolrd is much more complex than that.  For Sheehan, part of the necessary work for her ideological vision overlaps with voices that draw us to unfamiliar corners of the globe. 

Now from your standpoint, I'm guessing you hear about the "Chavez thing" and read about it in the New York Times or see it on MSNBC.  Likely, you saw the position of the ruling white oligarchy in Venezuela and conflate it to an absolute moral decision, perhaps dwelling on the non-renewal of a broadcasting license as impinging free speech, but you don't acknowledge the fact that Venezuelan television has more diversity and people's voices included now than ever before (admittedly, this is the safe position to take for an American liberal to take).

Not only is it not a question of being "right," but it's a question of verification of reality, worldview, and knowledge itself.

In the end, both sides end up talking past one another. 


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The "Chavez thing" (0.00 / 0)
  Pro-Chavez leftists in the USA tend to be from the authoritarian Leninist/Stalinist sectors of the Left. Democratic socialists, social democrats and liberal Democrats have been rightfully critical of the Castroist tendencies in Bolivarianism.
  http://www.dissentma...
  Venrzuela under Chávez: Some Truths Are Not All That Complicated
By Leo Casey
Summer 2005

The reality of Venezuela under the rule of Hugo Chávez Frias, Gregory Wilpert tells us, is a "complicated truth" ("Venezuela's Other Path," Spring 2005). Whereas many observers see in Chávez another Fidel Castro, an authoritarian caudillo pushing his nation toward a dictatorial regime, Wilpert finds such portraits stereotypical, based more on the propensity of both men to deliver marathon speeches than on actual developments in Venezuela. He accepts that Chávez is a charismatic figure who has encouraged a cult of personality, but believes that Chávez's initiatives have broken through Venezuela's "ossified democracy," bringing into the political process those who had been excluded, awakening an "apathetic citizenry" and "energizing civil society." There is much in Chávez's rule to celebrate, according to this view.

Ordinarily, one arrives at "complicated truths" by adding contradictory and complex elements, by introducing nuance to an overly simplistic version of reality. But Wilpert "complicates" things by eliminating from his account precisely those features of Chávez's rule that have been condemned by human rights organizations, advocates of a free press, organized labor, and other segments of civil society, both in Venezuela and internationally. The two political criticisms he makes of Chávez's "effort to transform Venezuela"-that it extended the president's term of office from five to six years and that it gave the president direct control over military promotions-would strike most readers as something they would on balance oppose, but are hardly the foundation blocks of authoritarian rule. Compare the import of those measures to the following set of facts, not one of which appears in Wilpert's essay.

Colonel Hugo Chávez, a paratrooper in the Venezuelan Army, first came to public attention in 1992, as the main leader of a failed coup d'état. He and his co-conspirators were tried on charges of treason and imprisoned, but he won a pardon and an early release two years later. Despite initial misgivings about the electoral process Chávez entered the 1998 presidential elections, and won with the support of significant elements of the Venezuelan left and trade union movement. Once in office, his method of governing was that of a military commander, issuing orders and exhortations to the ranks and brooking no dissent. The Chávez record is rife with violations of human rights, disregard for the rule of law, and contempt for democratic norms and processes.


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I don't want to argue too much... (0.00 / 0)
because I will agree that Chavez has much to be criticized for, but that gets into a whole different topic. 

I read the sources that Leo Casey used for his report, which tended to gravitate towards violence revolving around the date of the coup, on which violence was committed by both sides, or they focus on the "freedom of the press." 

The attacks on this front often confuse freedom of press for freedom of expression/communication.  Venezuelan media is full of media that is quite critical of the government and Chavez, expressing opposing views. 

The bottom line is that Chavez is a democratically elected leader with substantial approval ratings from a country that is the second-most satisfied with their democracy in all of Latin America.  Idealistic concerns don't travel far in a country ravaged for two decades by a ruling class that produced one of the most economically unequal stratifications in the world.  Yes, we can criticize him (and deservedly so in some contexts), but he's fighting his fight and he's delivering on the goods.  Perhaps democracy works too well sometimes?


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Absurd Dualism (0.00 / 0)
Pro-Chavez leftists in the USA tend to be from the authoritarian Leninist/Stalinist sectors of the Left. Democratic socialists, social democrats and liberal Democrats have been rightfully critical of the Castroist tendencies in Bolivarianism.

One can support someone like Chavez, but still criticize him. Your statement essentially excludes this possibility, which is where I think the vast majority of folks on the left would fall.  Such folks would also tend to point out that Chavez is operating in the context of a very long line of US-backed coups, assassinations and other interventions, so it's very difficult to judge him by standards that have little relationship to the historical realities of Latin America.

Considering that the people who tried to oust him in a coup have suffered virtually nothing for their crimes--unlike Chavez himself, who stood trial and went to prison for attempting something similar--it is extremely difficult to buy the notion that he is a ruthless authoritarian, as opposed to someone who is prudently suspicious of those who have already tried to get rid of him by hook or by crook before.

The article you are quoting from significantly misreperesents the reality of Venezuela in ways too numerous to get into here.  But suffice it to say, I've heard numerous refernces to Chavez's involvement in the 1992 coup attempt from people who support him, so I find this article's attempt to use that fact as a way of discrediting a balanced assessment of him misleading at the very least.

Are there dangers of an authoritarian direction?  Of course.  There always are with any government.  (And I share those concerns, precisely because I think Chavez has struck a fairly good--though hadly perfect--balance so far.)  But it's worth noting that Chavez's record of empowering grassroots organizing is distinctly at odds with the Stalinist tradition you are attempting to associate him with.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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FREE SPEECH IN VENEZUELA (0.00 / 0)
http://ww4report.com...
  The case of RCTV and the fictional democratization of communication

from El Libertario, Caracas

On May 27, Radio Caracas Televisión (RCTV), a pillar of Venezuela's media establishment, went off the air when its license expired, sparking a wave of angry street protests in Caracas both for and against the closure of the station. Supporters of the decision not to renew the license say RCTV had betrayed the public trust, and particularly point to its unabashed support of the abortive April 2002 coup d'etat against populist President Hugo Chávez. Others have raised concerns about freedom of speech, and point to a narrowing of media voices in Venezuela. While this critique has mostly come from conservatives, the Caracas anarchist journal El Libertario, published since 1995, also sees an ominous trend in the RCTV shut-down. This statement of their position was translated by WW4 REPORT.

The Collective of El Libertario, Venezuelan anarchist newspaper, makes public its reasoned position in the debate generated by the case of RCTV-in which the current government imposes a solution to exchange the vulgarity of the private capitalist television oligopoly for what could be the abomination of monopoly by a bureaucratic and authoritarian state.

For the past two decades, through our publications, the Venezuelan anarchists have denounced and opposed the depravity and bias of the private media corporations such as RCTV. This company has guaranteed its economic success through sleazy oligopolistic practices, opportunistic links with the current state power and the emission of "garbage-content"-with the excuse of "giving the audience what they want." However, the evils that this company indeed represented are now an excuse for the imposition of a solution that means a repetition and multiplication of the same vices. In the Venezuela of 2007, the baseness of a part of the private oligopoly is to be corrected by the abomination of a state monopoly, increasing the unprecedented advantages for the government and justifying the production of "garbage-content" with the condition of it being "rojo-rojito" [or totally "red," a reference to the color of the ruling V Republic Movement]. In concrete terms: we do not have Miguel Angel Rodríguez [host of RCTV's anti-Chavez morning talk show "La Entrevista" (The Interview)] anymore but we will have the acclaimed Mario Silva [host of a popular pro-Chavez program, "La Hojilla" (The Razor), on state network VTV], the presenter of the journalistic paradigm of the V Republic.

The history of Venezuelan television teaches that the private owners of the media have never recognized the right to freedom expression, particularly when this right affects their profits and their privileged political and cultural position. However, neither has the State-before or after 1999 [when Chavez came to power]-behaved differently on this issue, considering television only a medium for the exercise and defense of its power interests. Therefore, little space has been constructed for free diffusion and discussion of ideas on TV-because those who have the power in this field have always called the shots.

And if that wasn't enough, in the struggle unleashed after the coming of Chávez to the presidency for the control of the state and access to the oil rent, the governmental and oppositionist factions have competed equally to opportunistically and tendentiously use the mass media. It has been converted in a battlefield scenario, where recognition of the right to freedom of expression means to give space to the enemy. In this perverse logic of polarization, those of us who dissent and criticize the contenders for power have been equally detested and excluded by both sides.

However, despite all the nuances that are applicable to the Venezuelan case, several indications lead us to believe that the main risk faced by the struggle to guarantee what little can be preserved of freedom of expression today comes from the state-with its clear intention of creating a communication model tailor-made for a so-called "socialism" that is nothing more than the new face of capitalistic domination in Venezuela. We have no reason to be so naïve as to believe the vociferating personalities like [general manager Marcel] Granier of RCTV or [magnate Alberto] Ravell of Globovisión (not to mention the now-silent Armas Camero of Televén or [Gustavo] Cisneros of Venevisión. [Televén and Venevisión are now assuming a pro-Chavez position, and have not protested the RCTV closure.] But the measures taken against those figures will promptly be directed against the rest of the dissidence in the country, including within the government ranks.

We have no doubt about the fact of that we suffer from a regime that is so opposed to any kind of critique or disagreement that it is proclaimed a virtue to reprimand any such manifestation, even from among their adepts. They immediately discredit the legitimacy of any protest against the abuses of power and official incompetence, attributing them to so-called criminal conspiracies (the "CIA," the "Colombian paramilitary groups," the "golpista right," etc.) that would be behind any possible kind of dissidence in Venezuela. According to this paranoiac-Stalinist approach, the mere demand for rights is unquestionable proof of the evil conspiracies that threaten the "revolutionary process," and the justification to repress to those who make the demand. Indeed, only the authoritarian dogmatism that characterizes the Venezuelan government could justify the aggression to these rights in the name of an absurd "socialism" that is proud to fuck over Granier but comes to an agreement with Cisneros, cedes property rights to the oil trans-nationals and sponsors a new "boli-bourgeoisie" [for Bolivarian bourgeoisie, a reference to the official state ideology].

Faced with this situation, we the Venezuelan anarchists could not do other than put ourselves firmly in the defense of the now-mutilated right to free expression, as of all the other social and political rights which are indispensable for the mere existence and ascendance of autonomous grassroots social movements... [W]e denounce the use of the current situation of confrontation to advance the criminalization of the dissident and the structuring of a juridical order fitting of a police state. Fort instance, the left authoritarian state is supporting measures (the outlawing of road blockades and the burning of tires, for example) that will shortly be used against popular sectors that raise demand. We also denounce the escalating use of armed gangs to confront the protesters in the streets, a new kind of paramilitarism in which the Venezuelan state is copying the practice of its commercial partners: [Colombian President] Alvaro Uribe and the North American multinationals. Finally, we will point out the clear relation between the Venezuelan government and sectors of the globalized economy, such as Gustavo Cisneros-an alliance that seeks to ensure the situation of precarious employment, subordination and servility of the oppressed in our country.

Here are some facts and figures about the "democratization of the radio-electric spectrum" (that often are not to mentioned by the forces of either "Bolivarian socialism" or the "democratic opposition"):

* In 1999, the presence of the Venezuelan state in the radio-electric spectrum was demonstrated only through one TV channel (VTV) and two frequencies of the National Radio. Today, the state has direct control over six television stations (VTV, TVES; Vive TV, Telesur, Avila TV and ANTV), plus two radio networks (Naciónal and YVKE Mundial) with eight radio stations. We must add to this the recently acquired control over CANTV, the biggest provider of telecommunications support in the country.

* In the total budget of the Venezuelan state for the year 2007, 165.3 thousand millions bolivars (more than $77 million) is slated for the communications field.

* [B]etween February 1999 and December 2006, the government imposed 1,339 obligatory transmissions to non-official radio and TV stations for a total of 810 hours, 56 minutes and 42 seconds. This data does not include the transmission of "Alo Presidente" [Chavez's talk show].

* The movement to establish communitarian radio and TV stations that 10 years ago represented positive steps toward a model of autonomous alternative communication, has been subjugated by the power of the state through economic control. The majority of the 167 radio stations and 28 TV stations that today operate with the denomination of "communitarian" depend upon government subsidies (according to the National Assembly, in 2006 they received 5.7 thousand millions bolivars, approx. $2.6 million dollars), and for that reason they tend to become official mouthpieces and to repeat the same communicational vices they say they reject.

* According to the official mouthpiece [Vice Foreign Minister] Mari Pili Hernández, the hypothetic volume of businesses of RCTV for the year 2007 would be of 420 thousand millions bolivars (more than $195 million). The promise of such a candy, together with the fear of confronting Chavista revanchism can explain what has happened to the rest of the private TV stations (with the exception of Globovisión, a fierce oppositionist). For example, according to a report by EU observers about the distribution of TV airtime during the last electoral presidential campaign, Venevisión gave 84% to the official candidate and 16% to the opposition, while at Televen the respective numbers were 68% and 32%; La Tele, channel 12, fired the journalist Marietta Santana for publicly criticizing the close of RCTV, and the journalist Ana María Hernández resigned after she was prohibited of denouncing irregularities at the state oil corporation PDVSA. Meanwhile the music channel Puma TV was bought in 2004 by Wilmer Ruperti, a notorious "boli-bourgeois" who wants to turn it into a news channel (the announced Canal I).

* During more than 30 years, RCTV (of the corporate group 1BC or Phelps) and Venevisión (of the Cisneros group) formed the duopoly that imposed their bad habits to the country's television. This agreement had a economic rather than political character, and on various occasions they confronted each other as well as the current government. This can't be compared with the economic and political monopoly in the hands of soldiers and selfish interests that we face today. After the Presidential Referendum of 2004, the pact was broken when the Cisneros group decided-for the good health of their businesses-that it was best to make peace with the government, a pact that was sanctified in a meeting held in the main barracks of Caracas between Chávez and Gustavo Cisneros with Jimmy Carter as the mediator. And from that moment on begins a honeymoon between "twenty-first century socialism" and this corporate gang, in which the engagement ring was the renewal of the Venevisión license for five more years-that began counting the same day that the RCTV signal ended. Of course, to make any Chavista uncomfortable, it is sufficient to remind them that it's been a short time since their faction fight with Venevisión and Cisneros ended, or to ask them for the qualitative differences between these enterprises that justify the closure of one and the prizing of the other one.

* The systematic application of a repressive policy against dissenting expressions does not end with the issue of the broadcast licenses for TV signals. It is also seen in the blackmail through which SENIAT [the Finance Ministry] collection fines for real or supposed fiscal irregularities; the criminalization of criticism by means of the numerous judgments against journalists and media not agreeable to government; and the arbitrary application of the Law of Social Accountability of Radio and Television by CONATEL [Telecommunications Ministry] as a weapon against any journalist, program or station to make them to change their position.

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RESOURCES:

El Libertario
http://www.nodo50.or...

Controversy surrounding this piece on New York Indymedia
http://www.nyc.indym...

From our weblog:

Exxon quits Venezuela
WW4 REPORT, June 27, 2007
http://ww4report.com...

Basque regional government stands up for Hugo Chávez
WW4 REPORT, June 23, 2007
http://ww4report.com...

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Reprinted and translated by WORLD WAR 4 REPORT, July 1, 2007
Reprinting permissible with attribution


[ Parent ]
An Anarchist Screed??? (0.00 / 0)
Did you even read what you pasted?

[W]e denounce the use of the current situation of confrontation to advance the criminalization of the dissident and the structuring of a juridical order fitting of a police state. Fort instance, the left authoritarian state is supporting measures (the outlawing of road blockades and the burning of tires, for example) that will shortly be used against popular sectors that raise demand.

The Stalinist "outlawing of road blockades and the burning of tires"!

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

[ Parent ]
Anarchist screed? (0.00 / 0)
  Between authoritarians of the Castroite/Leninist stripe and anarchists, I'll take the crits of the latter, thank you. Should I expect a marxoid, "petty-bourgeois anarchist dilletante, " award? Heh. And I'm one who has argued with North American anarchists who trash Starbucks stores in anti-globalization protests.

[ Parent ]
The Stalinist "outlawing of road blockades and the burning of tires" (0.00 / 0)
  Yes, I did. Bill Weinberg's WW4 Report has lots of good anti-imperialist coverage but, not from a pov sympatico with M-L'ism. He has also usefully critiqued the pro-Milosevic apologetics of Edward Herman in Z.
  What brought Socialist Evo Morales to power in Bolivia. Remember in the period before the election which he won, those methods were extensively employed. Saw it on BBC-TV News, Democracy Now! and PBS Bill Moyers Now! Also methods used by the ANC in apartheid S. Africa and by Lavallas in Haiti.

[ Parent ]
Dems don't get it (3.33 / 6)
Many, if not most, progressives view the Democratic party as broken and not fixable. It's not an empty vessel to be filled with progressive ideas, but a corrupt, ineffectual, slightly-left-of-the-Republicans-but-still-right-wing part of the problem.

Matt Stoller, in his piece about the NAACP, mentioned the "honest racism" of the Republicans vs the "dishonest racism" of the Democrats. Republicans wear their racism (or, at least, lack of compassion for minority issues) on their sleeve. The Dems, recognizing this, take the black vote for granted. Perhaps they cozy up during election time, but what happens when they get into office? (1964 was a very long time ago, and in the words of Janet Jackson, "What have you done for me LATELY?" - CAPS mine) It's not much different for Progressives. Democrats assume the Progressive vote is theirs, because, well, they're better than the Republicans.

Cindy Sheehan is going after the votes of people who are opposed to the war (duh). There is ample evidence that Democrats aren't going to do anything to stop the war (it's like 1972 all over again). There will likely be a large number of votes going to Sheehan that may have gone to Pelosi had her actions been different. By running on a 3rd party, she won't be silenced after the primary. Cindy Sheehan is an activist (and a good one) with a singular focus - ending the war. This is a very smart move for her.

If her candidacy was insignificant, then I doubt there would be blogs written about it or the angry comments that follow.  Good for her. If I lived in her district, I would vote for her in a heartbeat.


And? (4.00 / 2)
"There will likely be a large number of votes going to Sheehan that may have gone to Pelosi had her actions been different. By running on a 3rd party, she won't be silenced after the primary."

Which will accomplish what? The two parties actually holding office will have less anti-war supporters and less accountability to the perspective.

"If her candidacy was insignificant, then I doubt there would be blogs written about it or the angry comments that follow."

Notice that none of the blog posts come from the district.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.


[ Parent ]
Dems should accept that they are Centrist party (4.00 / 1)
"Which will accomplish what? The two parties actually holding office will have less anti-war supporters and less accountability to the perspective."

What accountability is there now? Especially if everyone gets their panties in a bunch whenever someone dares run against an established Democrat. 70% of the population is opposed to the War in Iraq, and I think we will be there another 10 years, regardless of who gets elected (either party).

Ultimately, I hope the Democratic party splits. I've heard quite a bit here about coalition building. Except, we've got a two-party government! What coalitions can get built with two parties? None, other than coalitions which can ignore public opinion (and I'm sure I'm not the only one who cringes when I hear about a Democrat's willingness to "reach across the aisle").

Anyone who is serious about Progressive issues ought to give this some thought. Do you want to keep electing a party who's chief accomplishment on progressive issues for the last 40 years is rolling laws back less than the other party? We find ourselves in the same position as the AFL-CIO. We support the same candidates, year after year. Membership is shrinking, and we are getting weaker and weaker. In the end we might protect our piece of pie, but it was much smaller than it was before. What's the best we can hope for in 2008? That SOME of the damage that Bush has done will be reversed? The future is bleak.

Imagine a Democratic party that accepted the fact that they are not really all that Progressive. A centrist Democratic party wouldn't need to hire so many people to tailor their image and analyze why they keep losing elections. The average American might actually understand what it is the party stands for (because I'm not sure the party even knows ... frankly, wealthy ex-hippies are the only ones who seem satisfied with the status-quo).

I will stop imagining, and get back to reality for a second. There is big money in the existing political parties, and there is big money in the PAC's that support them. There are plenty of progressive issue-based organizations out there who's employees make a high-five or six-figure salary. They are not about to throw their support behind a Green party candidate, because they have shareholders and a bottom line to think about. My god, this system is broken!

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"Notice that none of the blog posts come from the district."
Except for the one below.


[ Parent ]
You're just changing the timing (0.00 / 0)
Right now, coalitions are forged in the party-building process. In multi-party systems, they're forged in the legislature.  I don't really find the latter to be an inherently better system.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

[ Parent ]
But the Party doesn't do anything productive (0.00 / 0)
Please give me some concrete examples of success in Congress passing Progressive legislation in the last 30 years.

[ Parent ]
70% of the population is opposed to the War (0.00 / 0)
http://www.pollingre...
  But, only 19% support "immediate withdrawal"
Which of the following four choices comes closest to your view about what the U.S. should do in Iraq? Begin an immediate withdrawal of all U.S. troops in Iraq. OR, Start withdrawing troops by the fall, with all troops out by next spring. OR, Leave a substantial number of troops in Iraq, but have them fall back to their bases and concentrate on training Iraqis and targeting Al Qaeda in Iraq leaders. OR, Make no cutbacks in U.S. troops."

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  Immediate
Withdrawal  Out by
Next Spring  Fall Back to
Their Bases  Make No
Cutbacks  Unsure
  %  %  %  %  %

7/11-12/07
  19  24  40  13  4


[ Parent ]
Personally (0.00 / 0)
I think immediate withdrawal is the way to go. The more popular 2nd and 3rd choices (reduce troops or pull back to bases) are not realistic. If we are there in reduced numbers, the violence will increase in the power vacuum which follows. The situation will degenerate all around our troops, which is very risky. Of course, the power vacuum will also happen if we leave now, but it will at least minimize losses on all sides.

I can see why falling back to bases is a popular choice, but I think the public misunderestimates the amount of effort and troop levels it would take to maintain secure facilities (we can barely defend the Green Zone now). 40% of those polled want us to fall back, but 53% (same link you provided) don't think it's acceptable for a reduced force of 60,000 to be there for more than one year. Do people want to just send in 500 Green Berets and call it good?

Let's face it, Iraq is totally fucked no matter what we do. Civil war will follow our exit whether it's tomorrow or in 10 years. May as well get it over with.


[ Parent ]
she isn't a relevant candidate (0.00 / 0)
This is San Francisco, we have FU candidates in every race. Sheehan is getting nothing but a big yawn from those of us on the ground.

This being San Francisco, probably 80% of us are in favor of impeachment -- pretty much the same 80% that love Nancy Pelosi.

If Sheehan gets to double digits I'd be shocked.


[ Parent ]
you honestly don't see the impact (4.00 / 1)
on a national level of someone that will get on the air constantly with this, not in your district, as you note, but on the national stage, against the Leader?

but you probably do see why Nader (not Lieberman etc) "lost the 2000 electin".

you don't see the inherent contradiction between the two ideas... that Nader "cost us" but it doesn't hurt or matter.

when will you listen to the explanation of these costs?


[ Parent ]
Disingenuous (4.00 / 4)
By running a third-party challenge against Nancy Pelosi, Cindy Sheehan has made it perfectly clear that she finds the idea of coalition building in American politics unimportant, and working with people who agree with you on many things, but not on all things, impossible to stomach.

Obviously, Sheehan's saying no such thing, though her run does indicate something about her priorities--that righteousness is more important to her than political strategy.  Maybe the country could use some of that sentiment to help meet the challenges we're facing, no?

And really, "many things, but not all things?"  Good grief.  She's made it clear that she doesn't trust politicians who say they're against the war, got elected to oppose the war, and then proceed to fund the war with no strings attached.  What are the "many things" on which Congress is making progress while the war continues?

In any event, how does the coalition-building strategy apply in the case of ending the war?  What is it now, 70% of the public wanting troops out asap, yet still there's no change in policy?


And this is the fault of Republicans (3.00 / 4)
In any event, how does the coalition-building strategy apply in the case of ending the war?  What is it now, 70% of the public wanting troops out asap, yet still there's no change in policy?

not Democrats. 70% support ending the war- last time there was a vote I believe EVERY Democrat voted for timetables- Bush vetoed and zero Republicans were willing to help override that veto. How is that the fault of Democrats? It's not- it's the fault of Republicans.


[ Parent ]
It's The Fault Of The Democrats For Backing Down (3.33 / 6)
All they had to do was send Bush the exact same bill over and over and over again.

And use the same talking points over and over and over again: "We've given him the money to wind the war down and bring the troops home safely.  70% of the public wants that, and that's the bill we've sent to him. We will continue doing that, until he complies with the will of the people."

The beauty of this is that

(1) It's true.
(2) The logic becomes more and more compelling each time Bush vetoes it.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


[ Parent ]
Never the votes to pass the same bill twice (0.00 / 1)
There still aren't. And there probably won't be this Congress.

[ Parent ]
You Don't Know That (4.00 / 7)
Principally because there was no serious effort to try doing it.

A serious effort would have entailed a significant stronger and more disciplined Democratic message directly attacking the M$M as well as Bush's position.

This is what Sheehan and her supporters were looking for, a fire-in-the-belly fight. And everyone in the country-not just Sheehan--knows they didn't get one.  The flagging approval for Congress is an indication of that.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


[ Parent ]
majority vs. supermajority (4.00 / 3)
They an opportunity to end the war, but lost the momentum and initiative with the capitulation vote, which only required a simple majority and a lot of backbone (which they didn't have enough of, obviously).

I agree that a veto-proof majority will likely not be there this Congress, and I think the dems will yet again cede initiative on an issue: Bush will claim a victory when the Iraqi government (likely at his askance) will ask us to "back down" late this year or early next year, and withdrawal will then start as if it were his plan all along.  Dems then look ineffective, and Bush and Republicans surge in the polls as the troops start coming home under their leadership.  Blech, what a mess for dems.

end the occupation of Iraq


[ Parent ]
I Think This Is A Likely Scenario (0.00 / 0)
And one that should be very seriously considered.

On the other hand, an attack on Iran is also a likely scenario.

And who's to say they can't do both?

And maybe invade Grenada again, too, just to get a quick "win."

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


[ Parent ]
I don't think so on Iran (0.00 / 0)
Obviously the neocons are pushing hard for it, but they simply have lost too many allies.  Besides--it would be much bloodier than Iraq, there'd have to be a draft for it to work properly, and Irsrael would be the sole nation in support of such an attack, meaning we'd be burdened with all the debt.

[ Parent ]
Too Simplistic (2.00 / 2)
"All they had to do was send Bush the exact same bill over and over and over again."

That's a nice slogan but it's detached from legislative reality. Why do you assume that the Republican leadership in the Senate wouldn't filibuster? Can you count 60 votes on a cloture motion? It would never make it to Bush's desk a second time.


[ Parent ]
It Doesn't Matter (2.00 / 2)
If the Reps fillibuster, then the Reps fillibuster.  The message is slightly amended: "Bush and his running dog lackies in the Senate are defying the will of the people, and preventing the troops from getting the money they need for a safe and orderly withdrawal."

At this point in time, "legislative reality" is an oxymoron akin to military intelligence. All that there is is legislative theatre.  The theater creates the reality.

And, again, it's not just Sheehan who sees the failure here.  It's one of the reasons that Congressional approval has slipped significantly since Jan/Feb.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


[ Parent ]
Who Is the Reality Based Community? (0.00 / 0)
"The theater creates the reality."

This sounds like the Bushies to me. They thought they could create their own reality by perpetually repeating their talking points.


[ Parent ]
That's Precisely What I'm Saying (4.00 / 3)
There's no truth whatsoever that cutting off funding endangers the troops.  Pretending otherwise is pure theatre, and a damnable lie besides.  But you can't just say that in a polite tone of voice.  You can't fight theatrical lies with prosaic truth.  You have to fight theatre with theatre. 

This is true all the way down to the core issue of what legislation Congress will pass.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


[ Parent ]
You are sharp... (0.00 / 0)
I think I'll read more of your stuff... Impressive.

Sean

Dare to ask THE QUESTION!


[ Parent ]
Theatre? (0.00 / 0)
Is that a Blairism?

[ Parent ]
Who's the top dog here? (4.00 / 1)
Congress is the top dog here, not the president.

The president cannot do anything without legislation from Congress.

The Democrats have the votes to prevent him from getting the legislation he wants. End of story.

So why do the weak-kneed Democrats in Congress focus on the president's veto to justify throwing in the towel on legislation that would stop the bloodshed?

Because it is nothing more than a handy excuse to cover up the Democrats' overriding interest, which is to get re-elected.

Interestingly, only Edwards, a trial attorney/litigator, was shrewd enough to come up with a winning strategy: just keep giving Bush the same bill over and over and let him bear the responsibility for vetoing it and rejecting the funds that he pretends are needed to protect the troops.

The problem here is that the strategically clueless Democrats are more spooked up by the prospect of being defeated electorally than they are inspired by the prospect of ending a bloody, unjust war being waged by the Bush administration on innocent Iraqi civilians. They are such self-serving political cowards that they cannot take up the morally just cause of 70% of the electorate and stand up to a lame duck president with approval ratings in the 20's.

How could they possibly lose an election for passing legislation favored by 70% of the electorate?

The only reason that could be lurking in the back of their minds would be the fear that the corporate campaign financiers belonging to the military-industrial complex that got the U.S. into the war might refuse to fill their campaign coffers with the money they think they need to win the next election.

If this came to pass, heaven forbid, they might actually have to conduct real campaigns at the grassroots to try to get people to vote for them instead of buying TV ads and sending out slick brochures.

 


[ Parent ]
No, Republicans AND conservative Democrats (4.00 / 2)
If the Democrats were all opposed, they could have prevented the passage of any bill. No funding would have meant that Bush would have had to end the occupation. Instead, Democrats passed a funding bill that allowed the occupation to continue.

I agree with you that it is mostly the Republicans' fault, but if all the Democrats really wanted to end the war, they could have done more. The main reason they couldn't is that _some_ conservative Democrats would have jumped ship and voted with the Republicans. And the Party leadership didn't want to admit that they would be undercut by members of their own party, so they pretended that the reason "there aren't enough votes" was because they didn't have 60 votes in the Senate. And the MSM and Republicans went along with that fiction.


[ Parent ]
Um (2.00 / 2)
How does leaving the coalition-building process NOT equate to abandoning coalition building?

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

[ Parent ]
lord (0.00 / 0)
"self righteousness"... you mean like telling angry progressive what for?  Degrading their concerns... acting as if a plea to hold all politicians to account, especially "ours"... matters?!

[ Parent ]
lord (0.00 / 0)
"self righteousness"... you mean like telling angry progressive what for?  Degrading their concerns... acting as if a plea to hold all politicians to account, especially "ours"... matters?!

[ Parent ]
CounterPunch (0.00 / 0)
is to OpenLeft as Old Left was to New Left. Indeed CounterPunch may well contain significant Old Left DNA within its makeup.

It was significantly a difference in style that separated the Old from the New rather than significant philosophical differences. In that vein, one of the biggest shortcomings of CounterPunch is that is does not support blogging. By that I mean shortcomings for them. It means that their growth is much slower without regular philosophical refreshment of comments.

Jeff Wegerson - Prairie State Blue


How's the party treating you? (3.33 / 6)
I think an important issue here is whether or not one, as an activist, is actually able to form working relationships with individuals "in the Party." My sense is that Sheehan wasn't (or wasn't willing to), and that most of the people in her network were not Democratic Party activists or operatives but rather much more independent left-wing activists of the type who are generally allergic to the bureaucracy and squareness of the Party proper.

I'm sympathetic with that position. Democratic Party apparatchiks are by-in-large lame. They tend to be white-bread, risk-averse and corporate in their culture. There's nobody more square than a Young Democrat (at least the Young Republicans have fun being assholes).

That said, Pragmatically speaking, I agree with Chris 100% here, and it's a shame that Cindy's going to burn her political capital in such a destructive way. Boo. The drive to be with your own kind and feel emotionally satisfied in your activism isn't what politics is about if you want to make a difference. There's something to be said for principles, but the Art of Controlling Your Environment demands compromise.

However, it also takes two to tango. I think the Party itself needs to loosen up, and make a much more concerted effort to reach out to activists like Sheehan. It goes both ways. Lefty activists don't like the Party, but the Party is still deathly afraid of being seen as Dirty Fucking Hippies, and they wouldn't be caught dead standing along side Some Guy With A Sign. That's a problem.

Again, I confess to ignorance on the details here -- for all I know, she may have had a sit-down with Pelosi before making this decision -- but my guess is that she had (and certainly now has) significantly less access than you or Matt enjoy.

It takes two to tango coalition-build.

Me | My Work | Future Majority


Party with a Capital "P" (4.00 / 1)
"Democratic Party apparatchiks are by-in-large lame."

"...the Party itself needs to loosen up, and make a much more concerted effort to reach out to activists like Sheehan."

I don't disagree with anything in this post. But it may create the  false impression that "The Party" is a monolithic creature that thinks with one brain and speaks with one voice. That would be far from the truth. The Democratic Party is more of a concept than an entity. There is of course the DNC and the party leadership in the US Congress. And then there are also 50 state parties. And then there are elected officials and their staff and the federal, state and local levels. I could go on and on. But the point is that activists should understand that you shouldn't expect any particular kind of behavior from the party itself. The only thing that matters are the relationships -- or coalitions -- that can be built with people within the party. Some of those people will be self-important jerks that you want nothing to do with. But there are many others who share the goals and values of progressive activists and realize that there are things that can be achieved together that wouldn't be possible working separately.


[ Parent ]
I have to disagree (4.00 / 1)
And it is only because the party as a whole hates people with issues... Why? Because to our own detriment we try to be the big tent, and say whatever your issue we'll take you in, just please don't actually talk about your issue, because you'll then scare out of the big tent everyone who disagrees with you. So with the Democrats it's not a matter of what they are saying, but rather what they are not saying. A prime example and one that I just e-mailed to Matt Stoller... An Excerpt from that e-mail.

Well for example the Cindy Sheehan debate that is raging is very similar to the way many Latino activists are feeling. They are angry that not only has the Democratic party capitulated with anti-immigrant groups but also only candidates who are running for president are talking about immigration.(the brown plague phenomena) So you will probably see a huge swing out of the Democratic party by Latinos because they voted 20% more for democrats in the last election in order to see real change in the immigration debate. But why aren't the state parties talking immigration? Why aren't members of the House talking immigration? The only Senators of note are Republicans. And no one on the left has proposed a real immigration reform bill from the lefts standpoint. You only have anti-immigration and then that supposed "bipartisan" legislation. So fractures in the democratic coalition are not just anti-war but also pro-immigration... Latinos showed up in record numbers and the Democrats better not treat them the way they treat the black vote... or they will lose them lock stock and Barrio.

When people from issue campaigns join in coalition building with political organizations, they are only as reliable to the coalition, as the coalition is to their issue. If the coalition fails to uphold their particular issue, then there really is no reason to stay in that particular coalition. So I agree that making this issue a primary fight is ill advised, since she really isn't even a part of the party itself, but rather a former piece of the coalition. Furthermore, the Democratic party is a creature all its own, and it is a creature that at its very nature is built on status quo, as it would prefer slow progression to no progress at all, is saying something. But, some "ISSUES" must be resolved in a more expedient manner, which is something that the "monolithic creature" can ill afford at times. The Democratic party is often (in my estimation) a three ton statue set atop a house of cards. You need only to pull at one card for the whole thing to collapse, so when ever anyone talks issues people feel as if, they are pulling at cards and therefor everyone gets scared when the ground shakes. 

Sean Michael Patrick Gallegos

Dare to ask THE QUESTION!


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I Understand Your Frustration, But... (0.00 / 0)
I think there's a significant difference between the immigration dynamic and the Iraq war dynamic. Immigration is only a hot issue right now because the GOP thought it could save its bacon last year by passing a draconian immigration bill. The massive street demonstrations, and the "day without an immigrant" job actions put a stop to that, and left everyone in a quandry.

While the situation beforehand was not good, it was not a catastrophe comparable to the Iraq War.  It's worse now, since Bush has ratcheted up ICE enforcement actions to pacify his base, but it's still not catastrophic, and there is no imperative for Congress to do anything--unlike Iraq, where they actually needed more money to keep fighting the war, and the Democrats could have refused.

In fact, there's a strong argument that the best thing Congress can do about immigration is nothing, since Bush wouldn't sign the kind of legislation we should be pushing for.

My point is not to excuse the Dems' failings.  Reid should never have been carrying water on that flawed bill in the first place, IMHO.  But I think we need to realize that "go slow" doesn't always mean "don't go."  There are times when it's best to wait for a better opening, and I think that start of a Democratic Administration would be the ideal time to move, and move quickly.

In the meantime, there are many other issues that affect the  Latino community. Environmental racism is a big one here in LA County, where I live. It's a grim way to look at things, but a lot more Latinos die from air pollution than die because of immigration policy. And when we talk about things like childhood asthma, the numbers go through the roof.  Wilmington, which I can see out my window, is 80% Latino, and there are blocks where over 80% of the kids have asthma.

There is a lot of catch-up to do in dealing with environmental racism.  We have a much deeper understanding of it than we had the last time there was a Democratic president and a Democratic congress, so I think it's also incumbent on us to be thinking about what sort of action can be done this front as well.

So, I guess I can summarize my message as this: Don't be so frustrated about the situation with immigration legisation, there's a lot of other things for you to be frustrated about.  The more that Democrats as a whole are educated about the full range of Latino issues now, the better things will be when it comes time to legislate with a President who will actually sign good laws.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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I do not disagree with you at all... Well maybe a little... (0.00 / 0)
I was merely showing an example of another issue that is fracturing the Democratic party. I in no way was trying to say that, that is the only issue facing the Latino community, of which I am a very strong advocate for. There is a laundry list of issues that I couldn't go into all of them in one post.

My point is not to excuse the Dems' failings.  Reid should never have been carrying water on that flawed bill in the first place, IMHO.  But I think we need to realize that "go slow" doesn't always mean "don't go."  There are times when it's best to wait for a better opening, and I think that start of a Democratic Administration would be the ideal time to move, and move quickly.



Now it is a little easier for you and I to wait it out, than it is for the Undocumented. To have to wait for social programs that have left them so far below the poverty level, that they can't hope to see their children educated. Not to mention the thousands of US Citizen children who are held in detention centers while their parents are deported every time ICE gets an itchy trigger finger. But Yeah other than the need for expediency I agree 100% with your post and am pleased to see someone so well versed in Latino issues.

Sean Gallegos 

Dare to ask THE QUESTION!


[ Parent ]
You are not using ratings correctly (4.00 / 1)
Don't rate comments down because you disagree with them. The ratings system exists to filter out trolls, not to forge consensus. You are rating several comments low that are in no way anti-social or disruptive. Don't do that anymore. 

[ Parent ]
Oh my bad I thought you get a multiple choice drop down (4.00 / 1)
because you want to see what is effective in getting their point across. I guess if all you want is to limit trolls, you would have a single button that says trolls or spam or hate speech or something like that. Not a multiple choice that includes excellent... So now I know and I'll leave your rating system, that is not intended to rate at all... Alone. 

Sean

Dare to ask THE QUESTION!


[ Parent ]
Well (0.00 / 0)
Website design is difficult, and we are still working out the kinks. The system you propose is one I favor, but it isn't cheap or easy to program. We are a new website, and we are still working things out on many levels, including design.

[ Parent ]
Just so you know... (0.00 / 0)
It looks like others are confused on this as well. You might want to post a topic on this alone, just until more people get use to the culture of this blog. IMHO...

Sean

Dare to ask THE QUESTION!


[ Parent ]
Chris (4.00 / 1)
If this is what you're looking for, then why can't you just do it by limiting your ratings to "0-Troll" and "4-Excellent"?  That would ape the system Daily Kos uses without requiring a whole lot of expensive programming.

ProgressiveHistorians: History For Our Future

[ Parent ]
Done (4.00 / 1)
Again, thanks for the suggestion. That should clear things up.

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Although, You Just Might Want To Add An "11" (0.00 / 0)
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that didn't work so well (0.00 / 0)
it looks like you changed all non "4" ratings to "0" ratings.

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True (4.00 / 2)
there are many others who share the goals and values of progressive activists and realize that there are things that can be achieved together that wouldn't be possible working separately.

This is definitely true, but the higher you climb the ladder, the more uptight people get. Maybe it has something to do with the altitude. ;)

I totally realize that my response over-simplifies the idea of "The Party." It's not a monolithic entity, but I'd venture to say that's it's actually more culturally and instinctually homogeneous than it is in terms of organizational structure. The national party is mostly a part of the DC mindset, which is a natural part of the social dynamics that have prevailed over the past 30 years or more.

I also totally agree that activists need to better understand the party structure, in all it's layers and sprawling extensions. It would be actually great if there were a go-to source for this, but there's isn't really.

It's especially hard when people want to impact issues that are really global in scope (like foreign policy), because it feels like if you can't get to the people at the top, it doesn't even matter. These people are also naturally harder to access, and have more concerns to balance, more demands on their attention, etc. They're also more likely to be a part of (or have to play along with) the aforementioned DC Village mindset.

Still, going third-party is tactically and strategically foolish (unless you have Billion$ to spend, that is...), so it's really too bad if anti-war activism trends in that direction.

Me | My Work | Future Majority


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Recruiting for the Democratic Party (0.00 / 0)
Insulting non-affiliated but likely Democratic Party voters with insults like this:

"Still, going third-party is tactically and strategically foolish ..."

and then revealing lackluster passion for an issue that many people deeply care about (Iraq):

"so it's really too bad if anti-war activism trends in that direction."

...doesn't make me want to stand in line for two hours to vote for a Democrat.


[ Parent ]
Insulting? Lackluster? (0.00 / 0)
You got me all wrong, man!

I wasn't trying to insult anyone when I said  that third-party candidacies are a poor strategic choice. I was making an observation. You can debate me on the merits, but I can't really see what could be insulting about such a general statement.

Given that I think third-party candidacies are a weak play, it also logically follows that I also care deeply about the war, because I don't like to see anti-war activists use weak methods.

If you'll read my posts above, you'll see I'm not really trying to recruit people for the party. I'm advocating that the party do a better job of recruiting people like you and me. Either way, for those who care deeply about Iraq or any other issue (as is obvious we all do) standing in line and voting is the least we can do. :)

Me | My Work | Future Majority


[ Parent ]
Heh (0.00 / 0)
Aha! I clicked your name and realized your 2nd comment on this site was "It's time for a third party." Suffice to say, I disagree with your proposed course of action, but share your goals. Maybe we can be a part of the same coalition? ;)

Me | My Work | Future Majority

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Nice Lady, But She Don't Have A Prayer Against Pelosi (0.00 / 0)
When she said that she was retiring, I thought she meant she was really retiring, maybe to spend time with her family.  I suggested she write on blogs to try to change things and I think she was doing that.  I suppose she is doing this to get attention on the subject of impeaching Bush.  This is one way of doing it.  And I don't care what party she runs under she is not going to beat Pelosi.  I agree with her that Bush should be impeached, but her running for Senate against Pelosi is not going to make it happen.  Congress will be sorry if they let Bush get away with being an obstructionist.  Future presidents will use everythng he has done as a precident to do the same. 

I assume... (0.00 / 0)
she knows she won't win. I don't think that's the issue. The point is to try to hold those with the ability to make a dfference to account.

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Interesting, But.... (4.00 / 2)
I think Cindy Sheehan now gets more attention than she deserves. At one specific point in time, she had a major impact. Her story was compelling. Her tactics were simple and effective. She was in the right place at the right time with the right message. Her anguish over the loss of her son was real and her attempts to get the president's attention captured the attention of the world. But that moment passed. Since then, she has not demonstrated that her personal anguish translates into lasting leadership abilities. Her attacks on the Democratic Party and threat to run against Nancy Pelosi don't make a lot of sense. I could be wrong, but she is beginning to create the impression that the most important thing to her is to remain in the spotlight. And this should be about building a movement, not about individual needs for attention. I hope that doesn't sound too harsh.

this is politics (0.00 / 0)
do you think a desire and ability to keep herself and her issue in the spotlight is bad politics? really?

it's unfortunate, to be sure, but that is about all their is to american politics.


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It's too bad (0.00 / 1)
I was wondering what the cadence of this site would be like. I guess given the background it would be silly be surprised that it's highly partisan.

Interestingly, I posted a Cindy Sheenhan post that was quite the opposite of this post, and it ended up with a 100+ positive comments and somewhere between 50,000-100,000 unique page views.  :)


So... (4.00 / 2)
I have a question for you at "Open Left".

If Cindy Sheehan signed up and posted a diary here would she get the unceremonious dKos kick to the curb treatment here, or would she be allowed to post through here campaign? ("IF" she runs...)


oops (0.00 / 0)
"post through HER campaign"

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Right To Respond (0.00 / 0)
Normally, people like Sheehan would have been given the Right to Respond. However, given her extreme views on abolishing the federal reserve, 9/11 conspiracy theories, abolishing the income tax, that America should have stayed out of WWII, and calling Democrats "the party of slavery," I have decided she does not get that option. It is an option that is limited to progressives. I don't know what Sheehan is after finding out she supports those ideas.
 

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You have answred my question. (0.00 / 0)
You want to define "progressive" and you want to control the message and you are not truly a coalition builder. Just another Dem front intent on co-opting the real movement for the Dems benefit, and not really the public good.

"Open Left" is just another kossack, MyDD closed door to many in the left. I am not surprised.

Disappointed, yes. Surprised... Nope.


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They don't have to ask the president to end the war, so why do they? (4.00 / 4)
Why hasn't congress simply voted on article one of the War powers act? Which carries with it no presidential veto powers! Why not simply un-declare war? The reason is because and this gets back to what Matt Stoller was talking about trust... The Democrats want the American people to think that they have their hands tied. When in fact they are simply afraid to do what is right. The American people aren't stupid or blind we know that more can be done, if we only had leadership in Washington who trust their constituency enough, to watch their back through this fight.

Sean Michael Patrick Gallegos

Con means together, stituent means to stand. We will stand together!

Dare to ask THE QUESTION!


Everyone is Correct (4.00 / 1)
Chris, I think this post is great and I largely agree with it. To achieve political power, we need a vessel and in a majority-wins-all election system, that means we have to choose one of the major parties. So coalition-building within the Democratic Party is a really important strategy and completely necessary if we hope to win power through the electoral system. And since the electoral system is the most democratic system we have access to right now, it is essential that we use it, build power, and implement our policies.

However, as several of the comments indicate, Sheehan is going a different route. She is an outside issue activist trying to influence people in the country and in the Democratic Party. She has chosen to do this by running a political campaign against Pelosi, but she and everyone else knows she won't win -- she is just using her campaign as a vessel for persuasion. This is very different than building power through a coalition and trying to win office, but it is an equally valid strategy.

Consider the situation back when she first went to Crawford and confronted Bush: most people still supported the invasion of Iraq and the peace movement was getting very little support or attention. Sheehan was able to attract media attention and persuade a lot of people to change the way they looked at things. Did her action build a coalition? No. Did it help the Democratic Party? Not really. In fact, many Democrats probably thought at the time that she was hurting the Democratic Party. But her goal was to persuade people and her strategy was to do that by garnering media attention -- and it worked. It was effective and important work.

Now Sheehan is trying to garner media attention to persuade people that impeachment is necessary. The conventional wisdom in the Democratic Party is that impeachment won't work, it is a waste of time, it might be counter-productive, it should be kept off the table. Sheehan is trying to persuade people in the Democratic Party to change their minds about this. It is a reasonable strategy and it might work. We'll have to see. I think there is a chance that Bush will be impeached in September and removed from office next spring -- and Sheehan's actions may very well be a key part of making that happen.

That said, I am concerned about Sheehan's strategy. I think now is a terrible time to attack Democrats: we desperately need to win big in 2008 and 2010 and that means that people need to be excited about Democrats -- enough to work on and donate money to their campaigns. Through her actions, Sheehan may inadvertently convince a lot of progressive people to drop their interest in electoral politics and not vote and not work for Democratic candidates, which might swing the next few elections toward the Republicans. I think this would be catastrophic.

I don't know whether Sheehan's strategy will be effective or counter-productive, but I can clearly see that it is a valid strategy for shifting the United States in a more progressive direction, just as coalition-building through the Democratic Party is also a valid strategy. I wish and hope that we progressives can recognize these different strategies, appreciate the strategies for what they are, and appreciate the intentions of the people who attempt to implement these strategies and accomplish their goals. We can disagree about the wisdom of the strategies, but we need to be careful about attacking each other. Just as Sheehan may sabotage the Democratic election strategy, Democratic activists attacking Sheehan may sabotage her strategy. Please be careful.


maybe (4.00 / 2)
it's just a terrible time to continue to dissapoint and anger your base trying to get converts from the Republicans...

Deleware Dem among others has said that it would look bad to push for impeachment too soon, but he forgets that everyone knowns that pelosi et al think Bush has brought the US to perpetrate illegal actions, or more, imoral actiona.  They ALREADY know and believe it is a lie, that all along it was only strategy... which makes it poor strategy.


[ Parent ]
Cindy's Right-Wing Side (0.00 / 0)
  In her Daily Kos diaries she called Democrats, "The party of Slavery, " called for abolishing the income tax and the Federal Reserve Bank. All stands associated with the free-market libertarians found at the paleo-con/libertarian website lewrockwell.com . She has dated Rockwell. Let's hope she doesn't also the agitprop on that website against Abraham Lincoln from a neo-Confederate pov ;-)
  She also endorses 9-11 conspiracy theories and on the Alex Jones radio show recently alleged Bush was going to stage a, "false flag, " terrorist attack on the USA, declare martial law and cancel the Nov. '08 elections.

Didn't know that (0.00 / 0)
And if I had, I probably wouldn't have bothered. Talking points like that make it pretty clear that she never was a member of the Democratic Party, and holds numerous non-mainstream views. Not much point in talking with someone about coalition building when they talk about stuff like that.


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Cindy and Progressive Democrats of America (0.00 / 0)
  She hasn't resigned from the Advisory Board of the Progressive Democrats of America.
http://pdamerica.org...

[ Parent ]
only right wingers (0.00 / 0)
find somthing wrong with paying interest to print our own money, to a privately held company.

says a lot.


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Party (0.00 / 0)
'Anyone in the house watch Bill Moyers last night? Did you hear John Nichols say that the reason impeachment proceedings have not been started against Bush is because too many of the people in Congress put Party (including the Dems) above doing what is right for the country.

All of this talk about "good for The Party" "work with others in The Party" blah blah blah reminds me of another "Party" - the authoritative, brutal Soviet Communist Party. It seems that many Democrats now think that it is OK to manipulate and threaten people. This includes Cindy Sheehan (and the Greens - "Naderites") People who, although once considered themselves Democrats and voted for Democrats, are now turned off by the Democrats in Congress because, through their inaction, they have just as much war blood on their hands as Bush.


empty vessel? (4.00 / 4)
I have hopes we can reform the Democratic party, but it's not an empty vessel. It's full of interests that are well entrenched.

It seems that in your political philosophy there is no room for protesters. I see great value in them. Not everyone needs to build coalitions to be part of the debate.

In a healthy democracy, challenges to our leaders should be welcome, especially in this case, where there is no danger of throwing the race to a republican.


Great diary (0.00 / 0)
One of the best diaries I've read in ages.

I couldn't agree more.


I know this is cruel, but . . . (0.00 / 0)
The only reason anyone even knows the name "Cindy Sheehan" is because Bush took a month long vacation and the press got bored waiting for shit to happen on his ranch in Texas.  If Bush and the media were less lazy, Cindy Sheehan would not be a nationally known name.  She is a really minor figure in our national political discourse, having achieved a modicum of fame for doing a lot of nothing.

I recall reading an article back from August of 2005 when Sheehan was out at the ranch.  It was something about how she was jump starting the "anti-war movement," and that she could be the catalyst for Vietnam style protests.  Well, of course that didn't happen, though the country did turn against the war. 

I don't know why anyone is paying attention to her anymore.  She had her 15 minutes.


very true (4.00 / 1)
but one translation is that Cindy built a great political stunt from low hanging fruit the Democrats never seem able to pick.

[ Parent ]
Exactly. If the role of the parties were reversed here, (4.00 / 1)
... the right-wing think tanks would have spotted the low-hanging fruit well in advance and _recruited_ someone (think Swiftboaters) to camp outside the Democratic president's quarters. And his or her efforts would have been amply watered with Scaife money through various opaque channels.

I don't understand why Democratic party leaders are often so expert at neutralizing _their own_ best and most passionately motivating arguments.


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Yeah, Really, I Mean (4.00 / 2)
she isn't even a war widow.  It was just her son.

Whatever.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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successful alone (4.00 / 4)
I agree with far more than enough of the professed positions of Democrats.

However, they consistently fail to act on those principles.

I agree with using the filibuster to oppose certain federal judges... but they didn't.

I don't agree with the idea that only some Democrats have legitimate thoughts to express, I sense the Democratic Party not only disagrees, but the netroots as well.

ideals and idealists are marginalized, I don't agree with that. 

Frankly, all I have is a vote, and either Democrats can stop whining about third party candidates like Nader (for whom I never had much respect, and did not support), or they can stop telling people to take their ideas and shove them, shut the fuck up.

You don't need my vote, that means, or the n% it represents.

So stop whining.

I don't care what people Say they think or say they Feel, I judge in reality, by material evidence of their "beliefs" by how they act, which is abysmal.

You succeed in demoralizing people, but are "shocked" they don't want to stand with you? when they are ridiculed and sent off?

then people explain this to themselves as bitterness? or purity?  Um... those that ban disagreement or idealists for a pure partisan goal seem the "purists"... I know that I am not, nor have I ever demanded agreement in anything.

Whine all you want... but politically you have had a better option, Democrats, prove you are worth a damn.

If I am abused by two people, no, logic does not force me to think the lessor of the two abusers is "good for me" and "agrees with me on many things". Especially when it looks like "good cop" helping "bad cop".

You think we have no where to go, but there is always the beach.

At least ONE PERSON want to hold democrats to account, and it is not surprising it's no one inside the party. You analyse this and wonder things like, "how does Cindy think she can  win?" which proves only that you don't know about holding people to account.

These types of analysis lead also to "why impeach unless the votes are sewn up"... which is not how republican's think, but the answer is then it looks like you care about something, and you build a soap box from which to express it.

Expression... that is the point of the net, not just another form of manipulation.

Good luck, hope you get two republican votes for every pissed off progressive as hoped. But tell me, if you want to appeal to Republicans why not reform their party? That might actually make a difference.  TWO conservative parties cannot help the situation.

I don't think the Democrats are being THIS BADLY played by Democrats, it's worse.

FINALLY: it doesn't matter those positions we supposedly hold in common, our differences are in strategy, and when I say the Gang of Fourteen deal means that the Dems WON'T use filibuster for the SCOTUS nominee, and Hunter says it means they will, it doesn't matter to me that Hunter doesn't seem to know he was wrong, I do.

Democrat strategy sucks, and when they add insult to injury, that's bad politics on top of stupid strategy making double stupid politics.

Bush could just as easilly say, "but you liberal americans agree with me more than you do the terrorists, so lets stand together"... and how much do you buy that?

ah, if you only used a little common sense relativism it would make more sense.

You think progressives are just always against Democrats, but you know, or ought, many of us try time and again to help Democrats, to give the newest ones another chance... only to be dissappointed to the point of "knowing it all along".

otoh, whatever, you don't need me to work miracles, so work em already.

A Shehan candidacy will likely not make much of a difference to Pelosi... but it WILL make a difference nationally... how many times will you get stung and scream "ouch" but not blame you own insulting actions and failed strategies?

rhetorical question, I assure you.

PS: GREAT job making ideals the priority.


Cindy would go (4.00 / 4)
what many fail to realize or admit is Cindy and many HAVE tried to join with you, you wouldn't have it.  The status quo Dems have always been alergic to her.  She is tolerated because she was useful (while) and because regular liberals liked/like her.

PS: that Howard Stern and Larry The Cable Guy understand America better than the Democratic Party is the Democratic Party's problem, not Howard's and Dan Whitney's.

Do any of you know how most americans view all politics... hint: it's closer to Cindy's new conviction than the beliefs of political hobbiests, would be, nor actual, Democratic Operatives and small groups of (gee I hope I'm) influentials.


That she tried and that Dems wouldn't have her (4.00 / 2)
... does seem to be true insofar that some commenters seem to have decided very early on they wanted nothing to do with Cindy because of some of her utterances on the Federal Reserve system, the background of 9/11, etc.

In that sense these Dems were only biding their time until an opportune moment arose to publicly condemn her, and advance those utterances as the reason why. Never mind that there are also "reasonable" people who have doubts on such topics; as if by dogma with no discussion tolerated, that middle ground has been posited not to exist.


[ Parent ]
Wouldn't have her? (0.00 / 0)
All it takes to join is to register as a Dem. In some states, it doesn't even take that. All it takes to run in a primary is to gather fewer signatures that it takes in the general. It isn't hard to become a "member." Hard to see how someone could keep her out of the party is she wanted in. That is no excuse.

[ Parent ]
another complaint (4.00 / 3)
another problem is that when you say stand together, you mean stand BEHIND you, lend numbers to your voice, but you are not saying what we would.

when will the Democratic Party stand beside me.

answer: well... who knows, but I admit it doesn't have to if it doesn't want to.  It seems it doesn't want to, which makes its claiming to want to nothing but a joke, a lie, or just somthing it is incapable of.


Open Left? (4.00 / 2)
The bottom line is this: if Cindy Sheehan were to run her campaign as a Democratic primary challenge to Nancy Pelosi, then her arguments might hold some weight.

Here I thought Open Left was dedicated to embracing the principles of a larger Progressive movement that transcends parochial party politics. Yet imagine my surprise to find a prominent anti-war Progressive wholly marginalized (she's like Joe Lieberman?) simply because she decides to run in the general instead of the primary.

How does refusing to run in the primary negate Sheehan's arguments engineering $100 billion in NEW funding for this obscene war is wrong?  Or do only registered members of the Democratic Party (of which I am one) have a monopoly on the anti-war truth?

Look, the question is not whether candidates embrace or reject the Democratic party, but rather, what are the most effective means by which Progressives can change the system to be more responsive to our interests.  Sure Progressives need to work with and within the Democratic Party when we can, but the carrot of coalition building has no utility without the stick of an outside electoral challenge when our interests are not sufficiently addressed in house. 

The primary/general question is merely a question of tactics. In Sheehan's case, she has a much better chance running in the general, where she can appeal to the many independent Progressives of SF who do not vote in a Dem primary, and can avoid the entrenched party establishment that has every reason to rig the primary against her.  This greater electoral viability means more pressure on Pelosi to adopt a more strident anti-war position.  Why is that bad?

Bottom line: coalitions are a two way street, and marginalizing an effective voice for Progressive change simply because she won't play in your designated sandbox does not say much for your commitment to the big picture ideals this site professes to espouse.

Disappointing to say the least. 


OpenDD? (4.00 / 3)
After reading this entry I am confused as to what the mission of OpenLeft really is. I also thought it was about promoting the general progressive movement in this country and not just the Democratic party. But I can't tell any real difference between this weblog and MyDD. Attacking a progressive because she isn't a loyal Democrat? How is this different from any other mainstream Democratic blog position?

[ Parent ]
Old habits die hard I guess. (0.00 / 0)
How is this different from any other mainstream Democratic blog position?

Kind of baffled by Chris's post to tell you the truth - especially since a more balanced analysis of Sheehan's prospective candidacy would go a long way to distinguishing the new Open Left from the rest of the big blog pack.

Still, at this early stage I am willing to chalk up this missed opportunity to growing pains.  At least I hope that's all it is, because the last thing we need is yet another effort to co-opt Progressive principles for the primary purpose of promoting Democratic party politics.


[ Parent ]
co-optation (0.00 / 0)
  This post and another use that old New Left buzzword, "co-opt, " as if that is a negative thing. FDR, told Socialist Party leader Norman Thomas once he had stolen the S.P. Program. Back in 1912 the Socialist Party platform had all the essential elements of the New Deal such as unemployment insurance and social security. We win when the DP "co-opts" policy proposals
on the Left.

[ Parent ]
Depends on the purpose (0.00 / 0)
For FDR, co-opt meant stealing Socialist ideas for the purpose of moving this country forward.

For our old, new Dems, co-opt means stealing Progressive ideas for the purpose of pretending to move this country forward.

Big difference.


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For our old, new Dems, co-opt means stealing Progressive ideas for the purpose of pretending to move this country forward.

Big difference.

  But, the Left of that era, esp. the Communist Party, USA spent FDR's first term denouncing the New Deal as Fascist...(I have a collection of Communist newspapers from that period) until the Comintern in Moscow sent out orders to stop being such sectarians.
  What would be the purpose/motive of the Democratic Party mainstream leadership in "pretending" to be progressive, raising hopes of the base, then "betraying" the base? That would only drive the base into a left-wing third party like the wildly successful Progressive Party of 1948. (Backed heavily by the Communist Party, USA.) Remember President Henry Wallace? You don't? Ralph Nader, in diapers backed him ;-)


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What would be the purpose/motive of the Democratic Party mainstream leadership in "pretending" to be progressive, raising hopes of the base, then "betraying" the base?

How about to gain power?

Before 2006, the Dems could just never seem to get over that electoral hump, no matter how hard they tried to mimic the GOP corporate friendly agenda (NAFTA, welfare, media consolidation, the War, etc.).  A  big reason for this was that the Dem's quest for corporate dollars would always fall short.  After all, if you are a big money donor looking for maximum return on your political investment, the Goopers are always the safe bet.

But then Howard Dean came along, and showed the Dems how to raise gobs of money without K Street, by attracting small donations from a lot people via the Net. There was one catch to Dean's cash cow however.  Seems that in order to get the dough, you have to quit the Clintonesque strategy of blaming your base for being screwed over by the people they elect, and instead run on a platform that actually challenge powerful, oligarchic interests - interest, BTW, you are also still trying to court.

What to do?  Well, for any politician worth his or her salt, it's a no brainer: promise something to everyone and worry about keeping all those conflicting promises until after the election.

So here we are.  The Dems have reaped the rewards of their cravenness, and are now in control of one branch. 

And will you just LOOK at all that money rolling in from the lobbyists now?  Of course, the Dems won't complain if the small-time suckers still want to contribute.  Heck, they'll even stage a big kabuki production to pretend they are really, truly, honestly fighting Bush on the War funding (complete with big time Veto!) - yet all the while with a wink and a nod to the defense contractors and energy interests to assure them that, at the end of the show, the semi-annual allowance will still come in on time like it always did when the GOP was in charge.

That's why.

Now let me ask you a question.  Why are the Dems in such a hurry to sign secret deals with Bush on labor arbitraging immigration 'reform' and a new free trade agreement?  After all, doesn't it make sense to wait for a Dem President to get a more labor and environmental friendly bill signed?

Almost seems like they don't want the next President mucking up the pay back to their big donors, don'tcha think?


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Why Pelosi of All People? (0.00 / 0)
Great diary Chris.

One other problem I have with Sheehan's challenge to Pelosi is that it is misplaced anger.  Pelosi has been an opponent of the war from day 1 and worked hard to get redeployment/withdrawal language in the funding bill earlier in the year.  She has to garner 218 votes to actually pass something and 290 votes (assuming no vacancies) to override a Presidential veto.  She barely got the 218 votes earlier this year on the House language and does not have the votes to override a veto.  The Senate and its views also comes into play here as well. 

In the real world, what exactly was Pelosi supposed to do that she didn't?  She can't vote for every Dem member of Congress regardless of what some people may think.

With regards to impeachment, do we really want Dick Cheney as President?  Also, if Pelosi starts it against both Bush and Cheney she has a bit of an image problem since Pelosi would become President if both were removed.  I don't see how she can start an impeachment movement without it appearing like ambition on her part even if that isn't the case.


Good for Cindy. (0.00 / 0)
First off, I am going to accuse OpenLeft of false advertising. The name suggested not only that this blog had to do with leftism, but that it also had to do with openness i.e. freedom. Instead, it clearly is just a DNC mouthpiece that seeks to keep people toeing the party line. News flash: We already have MoveOn and DKos for that.

Cindy Sheehan is a progressive, by which I mean, she primarily seeks progress. This is in contrast to the Democratic Party, which primarily seeks acceptance and strength.

The Democrats do not fight for the left. They put the left in the far corner of the room and use them as tokens for the legitimacy of calling themselves the "progressive" party. The party is run by big-money Establishment Democrats who fight for the center at the expense of the left. Leftist politicians do not get the bright light of the party. We get centrist figures like Clintons and Gores and Kerrys, instead of progressive figures like Deans and Wellstones and Kucinichs and Moseley Brauns.

Whenever a true leftist progressive gets fed up with the constant sh**-end-sticking from the center-whoring DNC, and defects, the DNC cries sour grapes. The only time an actual liberal can get attention from the DNC is when they stand up for themselves and break from it.

I can only hope more defections like Cindy's will lead to the development of a viable, real, and truly progressive party, instead of us all having to keep throwing our lot in with the perennially-disappointing Democratic Party.


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Leftist Third Parties (0.00 / 0)
  Off the top of my head, these left third parties, from the late 60's onwards, after a lot of high hopes expressed in progressive media and by activists, have flamed out into irrelevence. The Peace and Freedom Party in California (still around, a continual arena for marxist-leninist sects to fight over), Arthur Kinoy and Benjamin Spock's People's Party in the 70's. The Citizens Party of Barry Commoner in '80. The New Party in the 90's. The Green Party which has, out of about 50,000 political offices, partisan and non-partisan one can run for in the USA, has dozens of elected officials, all in "left-wing ghettos, " (university towns), a few in very rural areas where you can get elected w/a hundred votes, last I looked at the GPUSA website.
  U.S. Presidential Elections: Leftist Votes
  http://www.marxists....
 

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So what (0.00 / 0)
Your argument is that third parties don't work in the U.S.  Why is that, when they work so much better in other industrialized countries? The two party model is entrenched, and both sides fight desperately for the center, like a 2-player game of Hungry Hungry Hippos.

Doom and gloom is the reward for anyone who would support a third party. Remember 2000? That measly 3% of the populace that dared give the Dems the finger and vote for their values, for a true progressive, were BLAMED for the Dem loss (the Dems taking no blame for themselves for letting go of the left), and many shamed or FUDed back into the fold. The Greens are the realm of the hippies and bubble-raised trust funders, and the Dems wouldn't have it any other way.


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Re: Did Nader Help Al Gore in 2000? (0.00 / 0)
  Written  by a fellow member of Democratic Socialists of America.
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Re: Did Nader Help Al Gore in 2000?

Comrade Evenchick,

It's necessary for all socialists to understand how the U.S. electoral/political system  and political parties  differ from the European-style model that prevails in all other liberal/bourgeois democracies.

The U.S. system is very, very different. Consider England, where Ken Livingstone wanted to run for mayor of London, and the majority of dues-paying Labour Party members voted for him, but party mechanisms allowed Tony Blair to deny him the nomination. He therefore ran as an independent, which made perfect sense in that context. But were Livingstone an American and had run for office as a Democrat, he could have won the Democratic nomination simply by winning the primary, no matter what the Democratic National Committee, or any Democratic official, wanted. While it may be true that Republican and Democratic Party clubs, wards, etc., can throw people out, the "members" they toss out can still run in Party primaries for Party positions.  The state, not the parties, controls who can join (anyone who registers); the parties have no control over who registers, runs in their primaries, or holds office under their name.

The U.S. effectively has 435 separate parties, corresponding to each electoral district, loosely affiliated, but with no party discipline. (At the moment, Democrats and Republicans  aside from their Presidential candidates � are more polarized from each other and more homogeneous internally than at any time this century, but for most of this century, each party would have votes going in completely opposite directions on almost every vote.) The national parties may help but they are usually do not contribute a significant portion of any candidates funding. One effect of the McCain-Feingold bill is that even less money will be now coordinated by the national party committees; left-of-center donor groups are now setting up their own coordinating groups to directly hand out money.  (No one writes checks to "the Democratic Party"; they write them, usually, for individual politicians.)

I can't think of a single Democratic Congressperson who has ever been sanctioned in an effective way by the Democratic National Committee. Congresspeople may be challenged by unions or corporations or other non-party groups, but not specifically by the party organs themselves. There no party discipline at all exerted in that way. Within Congress, party discipline is at times enforced by promising or denying "pork" to chairmanships, but this is the same for any candidate of any party once elected. It's standard operating procedure for every legislature in the world, regardless of whether it's a multi-party proportional system or a two-party first-past-the-post system. Most party discipline in the U.S. is exerted from the grassroots, not from inside the Beltway. Congresspeople hardly care about the call from DNC headquarters, but they do care about the calls from back home. (And, as Nathan Newman has pointed out, those calls are more partisan and uniform district to district across the country than they once were, largely because Southern Democrats are now overwhelmingly responsible to black or increasingly Latino rather than white primary constituencies, much like urban Democrats in the North. There has also been a homogenization of cultural polarization of constituencies between the parties around issues like abortion and the environment.)

It shouldn't be forgotten that the central organizing event of the modern American party system was the Civil War � an event of transcendent significance and permanent effects for Americans, the results of which loom over our political system even today.  As a comparison, reference Ireland, in which the Labour Party has never risen above third place, because Fianna Fail and Fine Gael were the opposing sides in the Irish Civil War, which was the crucial fact in the organization of the modern Irish state.

The institution of the Presidency, elected separately from the legislature, is also a barrier to the building of a mass third party.  (Note that Charles De Gaulle, by creating an elective Presidency for the Fifth French Republic,largely destroyed the multi-party nature of French politics.)  And then there's the Federal system.  The effects of this on American politics are often overlooked � the most dramatic example is, of course, the Civil War.  The U.S. is the only country that fought such a war over the abolition of slavery because it is the only country that defined so basic an institution as local!  Consider such matters as corporate charters to see how federalism privileges the rule of bourgeois politicians.  Furthermore, federal systems contribute "fuzziness" to electoral results � as in Canada and Germany, where opposition parties tend to gain control of the states or provinces in  elections that react against the center.

All of this should be taken into account when making an argument regarding left-wing, pro-working class electoral strategy. The unpalatable bottom line is that the American Constitution requires coalition politics in order to get anything done. And, given the rules of the game and nature of American society that means that both (main) parties are in fact coalitions of disparate elements, which contain elements that are unsatisfactory to each other. Both the Republicans and Democrats have a hard core of ideological/interest group supporters, and a group of centrists who ally with them for one reason or another. The cores are always dissatisfied that they don't get their way on "more" while the center always entertains fantasies of the imaginary "great party of the center, which would sweep any election.

It is a fact that every Democratic president since the Civil War (with the exception of Franklin Roosevelt) came from the center-right of the party/coalition. Candidates further over rarely win the nomination and never the presidency. And certainly every Democratic nominee for president since George McGovern has been, in reality, a Democratic Leadership Council type (the DLC has a wonderful ability, whenever its candidates lose, to blame it on the left-liberals).  In governance, both Carter and Clinton have both ended up unsatisfactory both to the DLC and to the liberals/progressives/social democrats, because they scurried back and forth between them. That's the nature of the Democratic Party, and it is that way because of the reality of the political system in which we live.

Had Al Gore become president, he would, perforce, have done what Clinton did, and tried to satisfy, alternately, all the different groups that make up the Democratic coalition. Bush has done the same, only with much greater ease because of the more homogeneous nature of the Republican Party. That means he is to the right of some 70 percent of the American people.

The nature of the American electoral system is what it is, and not to be overcome by an act of will.  The reason that third parties haven't become major parties once the ballot access rules were changed in the 1890s is not a failure to try.  It's been tried, and tried, and tried again.

Similarly, the link of major institutions such as the NAACP and the AFL-CIO to the Democratic Party is not to be overcome by an act of will.  The supporters of Ralph Nader's presidential campaigns may believe they are speaking for the oppressed but it is a necessity of what they are doing to denigrate the leadership of those potential allies.  But the AFL-CIO is lead by Sweeney, not Meany, and it makes the same electoral decisions.  Why?  Because, given the electoral system, it makes sense. (This is not to say that Sweeney is a radical, but he is not to the right of the typical European social democratic labor top.) It was just those calculations that made most of the leaders of the Socialist Party, at various stages since the 1932 election, abandon the idea of running SP candidates and become Democrats.  Does this solve the problem of building a mass left?  Hardly.  No strategy has worked � else we wouldn't be arguing.

However, I do have great confidence in stating that a never-endorse-Democrats third party strategy, under the present rules of the game, won't work.  Changes in state laws to permit multiple-party endorsements, the alternate vote, proportional representation and the like would vastly improve the prospects of third parties.  Hell, a simple proposal to substitute a direct popular vote for the Electoral College would help third parties.  I hope everyone on this list would support such changes at the state level � and at the national level, if it becomes an issue.

Jason Schulman


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