Concern Troll Demographers

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Oct 04, 2007 at 13:48


Flipping around the web today, I came across this concern trollish title at the Politico:

Dems must woo white men to win

The subsequent article to follow this title was written by David Paul Kuhn in order to help sell copies of his new book: "The Neglected Voter: White Men and the Democratic Dilemma."  Reading through the article felt like I was caught in some sort of time warp in American politics, where the 2006 elections never happened and the non-white population of America wasn't exploding. Beyond simply 2006, it read as though it came from an even earlier era, like the 1980's or 1990's, when conservative backlash against "PC" was all the rage. For example:

As portrayed by the new breed of liberalism, the white man held all the cards, and everyone else's bad deal was his fault. The problem was that the bulk of white men did not feel like dealers or players. They felt like pieces on someone else's table, and their livelihood, their family's very stability, was in richer men's hands, as well.

And:

These men are seen as failing to capitalize on "white male privilege." Those who felt powerless, like so many women and minorities, were told they were indeed powerful. Conservatives came to validate a struggle many liberals had demeaned as merely the anger of the "angry white male."

Thank you very much Morton Downey Jr. I have a couple of quick responses to the basic thesis being presented here:

  • Democrats are not losing all "white men." In fact, Democrats are performing just as well among non-Christian white men as they are among non-white men (about 65%-70% vote Democrat in both cases). Democrats also score about 70% of the male LGBT vote, and 65% of the male union member vote. I imagine many of those groups are white, too.

  • Democrats are actually losing the white, straight, Christian, non-union male vote. More than just losing, Democrats are getting thoroughly trounced in this demographic, and are lucky to score more than 30% of the vote here in any given national election. This group forms about 25-30% of a shrinking percentage of the electorate, as both self-identified Christians and self-identified whites are dropping precipitously as a percentage of the electorate. These drops easily cancel out the drop in union membership.

  • If the Democratic electoral problem is actually among white, straight, Christian, non-union men (termed WSCNUM from now on), then doesn't the cause of this problem become pretty obvious? It is a combination of multi-faceted identity backlash and the collapse of union density in America.

  • Given the scope of the causes that led to this electoral situation, isn't it as equally obvious that this isn't something political strategy or a change in rhetoric can solve? These are massive, underlying, ideological and economic trends in America, and will not be fixed unless there is a broad shift in the operation of several important ideological state apparatuses. Democrats can't paper over these differences with a few tweaks in candidate recruitment and national convention rhetoric. These divisions will persist in America almost no matter what Democrats do, even during a long-term period of governance.

  • Looking to the long-term trends, rather than the past, the WSCNUM vote (25-30%) is smaller than the non-white and / or non-Christian vote (NWNC, 35-40%). This wasn't always the case, as the WSCNUM vote was equal in size to the NWNC vote as recently as 1994, and before then was much larger than it. Sure, this is how Republicans took power from 1968-1994, but in 2006 Democrats lost white men by 9% and still won the election by 8.2%, a margin greater than any Republican victory since 1984. In fact the entire reason why Republican blowouts in the mode of 1972, 1980, 1984, 1988 and 1994 don't happen anymore is because of this demographic shift. Democrats never won this vote, and in fact never really made a dent in this vote outside of Bill Clinton and Iraq-fueled 2006, but they kept getting closer anyway because the size of the two bases were moving in opposite directions. Republicans were actually winning by less and less from 1972 to 2004, and unless there was a demographic change in the two coalitions, eventually they were going to start losing without any shift in the WSCNUM at all.

My point is all of this is two-fold. First, Democrats are not losing all types of white men, and are actually doing quite well among some groups. Second, the groups they are doing the worst among are also shrinking relative to the rest of the electorate. Basically, this means that Democrats don't need to do any better among white men, but the occasional moments when they do as the result of a major national catastrophe like Iraq will lead to huge landslides ala 2006. Further, in another nine years, Democrats won't even need Iraq to replicate results like 2006. By that point, the gap between WSCNUMs and NCNWs should reach 16% as a percentage of the electorate, giving Democrats a built-in advantage equal to 2006 election results if there are no changes in the partisan preference of existing demographic groups.

And even apart from all of that, how does changing your electoral strategy to appeal to your least favorable demographic group make sense, especially now that you are starting to win elections across the board and since that demographic group is declining in size? Personally, that sounds like snagging defeat from the jaws of victory.

Chris Bowers :: Concern Troll Demographers

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Exception That Proves The Rule (4.00 / 2)
Given the scope of the causes that led to this electoral situation, isn't it as equally obvious that this isn't something political strategy or a change in rhetoric can solve?

There is a notable exception: the Employee Free Choice Act could facilitate a significant bump in union membership, which would shrink this demographic.  Nothing's guaranteed, but it does show that there's at least a plausibe, sensible, progressive policy response to this admittedly overblown, over-hyped problem.

If you want to throw resources at solving this problem, this is the best way to do it, IMHO.  It will actually help improve people's lives.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


True (0.00 / 0)
That would help. There are other exceptions, too:

--DC voting rights
--Puerto Rican Statehood
--Progressive immigration reform, including amnesty

I actually tried to rephrase that part to indicate that things could be done to help the situation, just not to solve it. Thanks for calling me on that--you are right. 


[ Parent ]
and... (0.00 / 0)
Ending the war on drugs, restoring the voting rights of felons, expanding voting rights to 16 year olds, same day registration, National Election Day Holiday, public financing.

With the exception of perhaps global warming, these sorts of institutional changes that will allow us to build not just a Democratic, but a progressive majority, strike me as more important than most straightforward "policy" issues. 

But, to reiterate what you said, I think the EFCA and Immigration are the big, low hanging fruit.

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.


[ Parent ]
One more structural change (4.00 / 1)
Dems could make that would help grow a progressive majority: make college more financially accessible so that less young people emerge from it owing huge sums. Those college loans tie young people into bondage during the years when they might otherwise innovate and agitate outside the corporate world. Think what might happen...

Actually, this is something there has been a tiny movement on lately. Somehow the Dems got Bush to sign a "College Cost Reduction and Access Act" which creates a possibility of debt forgiveness for some "public service" workers. This still requires a long indentured servitude, but it sets a good precedent. Link.

This is the kind of policy stuff we need from Dems.

Can it happen here?


[ Parent ]
I have mixed feelings (0.00 / 0)
because I see (at least the 200 or so elite) colleges as one of the primary means of preserving intergenerational privilege. Still, making them more affordable is definitely key.

Speaking of colleges though, I can't believe I left replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote and doing whatever we can to weaken the power of the Senate (and minorities within it) off my list.

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.


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shallow clarion call to the pissed off white male (4.00 / 1)
I remember back on election day in 1994, I saw this guy crossing the street to vote in his precinct.  He had this pissed off look on his face.  He was a 30ish, average height, balding, kinda overwieght, wait for it...white guy.  Watching him gave me the sinking feeling we were in for a tough night.  Yep, we got our asses handed to us.  I guess my "Rush is Wrong" bumper sticker didn't do the trick.
Anyway, I'm a white guy who never bought into the GOP bullshit.  I got why alot of people we're pissed off in my demographic, taxes, gays, feminism, 'family values' but I always saw through the GOP's tranparency.  I always knew they we're taking the Christian right for a ride.  I mean they dominated all three branches from 2000-2006, the Supreme court, state houses throughout the country and what did they deliver for them?  Where was the abortion ban?  Shiavo?  and Bush, Mr 'Jesus is my favorite philosopher' phones in to the anti-abortion protest.  And  now the flood gate of GOP 'family value' trangressions.  There's so much crap, the Young Turks does a weekly segment called Republican sexcapades.
Clarion call, dog whistle, who knows.  I'm sure they are trying to send out a signal to the white males that didn't vote last cycle, hey you better not miss the next cycle or else. 
As a white male, I care about Global climate change, health care policy and economic security, in that order. 
Politico seems to not only want to over emphasize my DECLINING demographic but also wants to define what issues are important.  Which, to them I suppose, are Winning the war in Iraq at all costs, deporting illegal immigrants, and eliminating all taxes while maintaining government services, in that order.  good luck on both counts.

Sniff. Those poor straight, non-union, Christian, white guys. (4.00 / 1)
Thank goodness they have an entire other party dedicated to advancing their concerns. Otherwise, whatever would they do?

I must immediately redouble my efforts to understand the concerns of this obscure and long neglected demographic group.


Exurbs (4.00 / 1)
How many of those white males spend hours each day driving their cars out to exurbs on poorly mainatained, over trafficed highways?  Even on the most basic level, the tax cuts on the ultra rich (estate tax) and starving of government services come back to haunt many in this core Republican philosophy.  Plow the money from the estate tax into roads and schools and they would be far better off.

They should be angry at Rush and the Republicans.  They are the true masters of disaster.


land use is huuuuge (0.00 / 0)
Huge! Just huge!


(from this post)

We have to build some more cities, especially here in California. It's really the only way to save this state - and my adopted hometown of San Francisco. We have to get to work on the "California New Small Cities Act of 2012." :)


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Buh....Buh...Buh! (0.00 / 0)
David Broder insists you must not offend these sensitive folk. America must remain bi-partisan at all costs!

Yeah, right....

This pretty much sums up my attitude to those too dumb, or ill-informed, to vote for their own self-interest:

...how does changing your electoral strategy to appeal to your least favorable demographic group make sense, especially now that you are starting to win elections across the board and since that demographic group is declining in size? Personally, that sounds like snagging defeat from the jaws of victory.

Which is what, currently, it would seem that Pelosi, Hoyer, Reid and Emmanuel seem determined to do.

With the great help of Leahy and Schumer.

The 'Capitulation Caucus' determined to let a lame-duck President and his party of thieves and fascistii set the agenda and all so the ignorant fools of the evangelical white right will vote for Democrats?

Insane.

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Liberalizing Them (4.00 / 1)
Note that Democrats are doing well among white males in unions and non-Christian white males.  Both attributes "liberalize" the stereotypical conservative white male.

The solution to the white male vote trending Republican isn't to make the Democratic Party more conservative, but by making them more liberal.  By getting hunters to vote for the environment, parents to vote for their children's education and future, etc.


Jesus Wept (0.00 / 0)
So Democrats do badly amongst Christian white non-unionised males? Yes? And?

So Democrats do badly amongst conservatives? Who cares or is surprised? What the hell is the Politico's point? What are they going to advocate next? Democrats appealing to segregationists and those who favour making miscegenation illegal? Because whilst I'm sure Steny Hoyer is open to their proposals, I can't see that kind of strategy working out well.

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Premature Triumphalism (0.00 / 0)
Win one election, and now we can blithely decide which sets of constituents our legislators should ignore.

Hate to say this, but we didn't win, the other side lost.  Because their own previously loyal constituents got disgusted at the idiots they elected, not because we offered them such wonderful alternatives.

A few decades ago we saw the triumphalist dismissal of those who were loyal Democrats--until Liberals greedy for corporate cash decided to stop representing them and allowed them give to up on the Democratic Party in disgust and become Reagan Democrats and eventually become Republicans. They were the most loyal of Democrats until we drove them away into being Republicans by failing to represent them.

We dismissed their concerns because we thought they could never leave us--we thought they had nowhere else to go.  Just as we are now ignoring the concerns of Blacks because Latino issues are more sexy (and soon they will have more votes?), and Blacks supposedly have nowhere else to go.

It is not the arrogant dismissal of the "white, straight, Christian, non-union male" that is the issue, but the attitude behind it that will soon come to dismissing anyone who is not a member of the the in crowd. 

I thought Progressives were supposed to looking out for everyone, not just a few. 

Looks like as soon as any political group sees blood in the water, they lose sight of their ideals and start acting just like the other side they were supposedly against.

So after dismissing whites, straights, Christians, and those who used to belong to unions until we allowed the union busters to lower their wages, who is next on our chopping block?


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