Obama's Confusing Rhetoric

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 16:23


The top of the "issues" section of Barack Obama's campaign website reads as follows:

Senator Obama has been able to develop innovative approaches to challenge the status quo and get results. Americans are tired of divisive ideological politics, which is why Senator Obama has reached out to Republicans to find areas of common ground. He has tried to break partisan logjams and take on seemingly intractable problems. During his tenure in Washington and in the Illinois State Senate, Barack Obama has accumulated a record of bipartisan success.

My first question is this: who or what is the cause of the "divisive ideological politics" and "partisan logjams" that Obama seeks to remedy once in office? Reading through his recent speech on energy, one can see that Obama offers some culprits:

Washington's failure to lead on energy is the failure of a President who spent most of his time in office denying the very existence of global warming - a President who put more faith in the spin of a science fiction writer than the science facts of real experts. It's the failure of an Administration that developed America's energy policy with a secret task force that opened the door to oil lobbyists and then shut it to every other viewpoint.

Bush and oil lobbyists are the problem on global warming, according to Obama. More:

We can't be afraid to stand up to the oil and auto industry when the future of our economy is at stake. When we let these companies off the hook; when we tell them they don't have to build fuel-efficient cars or transition to renewable fuels, it may boost their short-term profits, but it is killing their long-term chances for survival and threatening too many American jobs.

OK, so the automobile and oil industries are also the problem. But here is where real confusion sets in for me:

And it's also a failure of our politics that pre-dates the presidency of George W. Bush. We have heard promises about energy independence from every single U.S. President since Richard Nixon - Republicans and Democrats.

Republicans and Democrats are the problem? Actually, maybe Republicans aren't the problem at all:

So I decided to try something new. I reached across the aisle to come up with a plan to raise our fuel standards that won support of lawmakers who had never supported raising fuel standards before.

Apparently, Republicans will support progressive global warming legislation if you just ask them to do so.

This is a confusing, contradictory pattern in Obama's rhetoric that is causing a problem for his campaign. There are two interlocking contradictions at play here:

  1. A serious problem of division and caution is identified in Washington, which both Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives, vaguely blamed equally for this problem. However, when specifics arise, conservatives and Republicans are always blamed. In the abstract, he is blaming both sides equally, but in the specific he is blaming one side far more than the other. So, why doesn't he just say that powerful conservative interests are the problem in the abstract?

  2. After conservatives and Republicans are blamed for failing to implement solutions that would fix problems like global warming, we are then told that it really isn't that difficult for Obama to get Republicans to agree with him. So, we are told that there is a big problem with division and caution in Washington, but then told that the problem can be solved fairly easily. As such, is said divisiveness really that big of a problem?

It feels like Obama is identifying a problem, changing his definition of the problem in mid-speech, and then explaining the problem away by the end. First, we are told that our major national problems are going unsolved because of ideological and partisan division for which both sides are to blame. Then, we are told that, actually, Republicans and conservatives are to blame. After that, it turns out that Republicans and conservatives will work with you and become progressives if you just ask them. Um, OK.

Obama's rhetoric is both confusing and just plain wrong. The major national problems we face are not based in ideological or partisan logjams, nor are they based in a lack of communication. They are, instead, caused by the implementation of bad policy, not none at all. I mean, does Obama really think that partisan logjams and ideological divisiveness for their own sake are the source of America's biggest problems? Does anyone? Rather than politicians in Washington refusing to pass obvious solutions to major problems out of spite because no one is reaching out to them, the problem seems to be, much more obviously, that politicians in Washington are implementing policies that they think will solve our problems, but instead make those problems worse. Their beliefs lead to bad solutions and, as such, the politicians implementing them need to be replaced via elections, rather than having someone simply "reach out" to them.

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I Can't For The Life Of Me Understand Why He Can't Tell The Truth (0.00 / 0)
Or at least something plausibly defensible as such.

It's pretty simple, really.  He could say something along trhe lines of this:

There is a gridlock in Washington because there's a disconnect between the people and the government.  Though it has many causes, the biggest one is a rightwing movement that demonizes government and proposes policies that only make things worse.

However, in doing so, they don't actually represent the views of those who elected them.  While it's virtually impossible to get things done in the current environment, there is a great deal more agreement among the people than there is between politicians, and Obama will work to reach out to people of goodwill across the political spectrum to craft solutions that have broad support and will bring people together.

The only reason I can see why he doesn't say this is that he doesn't believe it, because he's too much of an elitist insider himself--See Lieberman, Joe, Obama's mentee relationship with, for example--and thus is much more part of the problem than he is part of the solution.

Unfortunately. 

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


That or he doesn't want to get shot. (0.00 / 0)
A politician who actually appeared able and willing to sever the link between Barbour Griffith Rogers and the 50% of the country that votes for them ---- said another way, a politican  who threatens to "rectify" the carefully crafted "problem" of the disconnect between the people's wishes, and the government's actual actions, as you suggested Obama do ---- would get shot.  Or banished to the margins some other way.

There's too much money at stake to let some feel-good candidate, any candidate, come in and return the government to the people.  Too much money at stake.  The pushback would be enormous, and while I have no idea what forms it would take, it just seems impossible to me that it wouldn't be there.

In a weird fuckedup way, it's almost enough to make me a small-government conservative.  The presence of a trillion-dollar-a-year federal budget, just sitting there in DC year after year, practically mandates that any really significant economic actor go after it, by any and every means possible.  It's just too much money and too rich a target for anyone to pass up; even if you don't want to chase it, your rival will and he'll get it and fuck you with it, so you have to just as a matter of defense.

I can't ever become a small-government conservative because I'm a liberal and there's big complex problems out there and the people need (and deserve) to have a government they constitute to deal with them.  But corruption, the total kidnapping of government away from its real purpose and towards private selfish ends... it's not going to be an easy thing to fight.

In fact, it will probably have to be a leaderless movement that does it in, because any movement against it that relies on leadership is subject to quick and easy decapitation (of some figurative form or other). Thank god for the internet, from which you can actually base a political-communications mass movement that is leaderless.  And thank god the internet is so wildly popular that it will be somewhat difficult to fuck with.  That and normal political turnover might save us.

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But yeah, just to clarify: I think it's entirely possible that Obama thinks he's able and prepared to do some significant good for the country, as much good as he can, without crossing any of the lines that get you destroyed.  And because articulating certain elements of the truth is crossing the line, he is running this strained, rhetorically pinched campaign, where he basically just asks you to trust him that he'll make things better, without actually saying anything specific about what he'll do or who he'll fight.  I  imagine he feels that if he articulates Edwards' or better yet Dodd's platform, he'll be doomed to a quick defeat, and so what good would come of his making that mistake?  (This is not to mention that even Dodd's platform is entirely within the lines, as long as it's only spoken of and never enacted.)

That's the only good faith motive I can think of for him to be running this lame-ass campaign, while still seeming to believe in transformative change.


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Maybe So (0.00 / 0)
But it's really pathetic, since it amounts to "Trust me to slay the dragons that have been saying 'trust us' to you for the last 30 years."

Bottom line: Top-down movements aren't movements.  They're campaigns.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Not to nitpick (4.00 / 1)
but I don't even think Obama has any intention of slaying those dragons.  He can't.  Almost no one can.

Nobody is gonna cut the clients of Barbour Griffith Rogers out of the picture, or even cut them down very much.  If Democrats win, maybe they hire Mike McCurry or Terry MacAuliffe instead, and maybe they get slightly less than they want, for the few years until a political opportunity opens up and they can switch back to Barbour and pals and Maximum Looting Mode. 

But I don't think Obama or Hillary or anyone else can fundamentally change that system, and I don't think they intend to try either, or delude themselves that they could succeed if they did.  I think Obama's sales pitch is, in his own mind, "look, it's a very difficult environment down there in DC, and I know it's failing you, so send me in there and I'll do my best to at least make sure some important legislation gets through somehow.  You can at least trust me to be an idealist who is more concerned with the outcomes for you than with who gets the spoils, which is all Hillary cares about anymore.  And getting results will require agreeing to compromise with (give spoils to) the Republicans, and because I don't care I'm willing to do that, where Hillary is fundamentally partisan and isn't."

Again, that's a very kind guess at what he's thinking; there are a number of worse possibilities.  But I do think there are very real reasons that he can't run the kind of transformative campaign you're talking about, mostly because there are some fairly powerful interests who do not want to see the current system transformed.  As broken as it is, DC is working very very very well for some people, and they don't care to see too much change.

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And, ugh.  Was it on this blog that there was recent discussion in the comments about the conspiratorial style in American politics?  Because, um, yeah.


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Veering right (0.00 / 0)
Here are the Progressive Punch numbers for 2007 (and career) for all four Democratic Presidential candidates from the Senate.

Clinton  93.87% (2007); 91.31% career
Obama  86.01% (2007); 90.30% career
Biden  81.82% (2007); 84.38% career
Dodd  81.50% (2007); 86.82% career

By contrast only five of the 38 Democratic Senators with a prior year record have drifted right: Jack Reed, Barbara Boxer, Ted Kennedy, Evan Bayh, and Tim Johnson.  The first three started more progressive than these three and stay that way.  Bayh was also running for President for a while.  Johnson has very few votes this year but his 16.67% score so far in 2007 places him as a moderate to conservative Republican. 

As a reference point, only 4 House Democrats have swung right but I think a lot of that is that progressive legislation gets watered down or does not come up.  Those four include progressive Barbara Lee (38th best in the House) who swung all of 0.03%, Pete Stark (149th this year), and two who look really bad:  Elliot Engel (NY) and Nick Lampson.

Does he believe this?  I'm not so sure.  At least partly.  But I think he does believe that a Broderistic campaign is the road to the White House.  What causes that?  Maybe the rich and influential fawn over this path.  Maybe, more likely, they have polls or anecdotes that show that this works in New Hampshire or Iowa (or both).  Dean's destruction in Iowa (and the Bush plant's "mean" to Bush narrative may have hiot home.  Of course, Dean never would have been the front runner if he didn't attack Bush head on and failure to attack and defend sure left John Kerry looking weak.


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Not present is counted against you by PP, unlike a lot of other ratings (0.00 / 0)
so that explains some of the drift, particularly on the part of Obama (though he seemes to be intentionally dodging votes)

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Absences on Progressive Punch (0.00 / 0)
Valatan has it partly right. Five members of Congress -- Barack Obama, Chris Dodd, Tim Johnson, Yvette Clarke & Eliot Engel -- have 2007 scores on Progressive Punch that are significantly lowered by the number of absences on votes that they're not showing up for. Yvette Clarke had uterine fibroid surgery and Tim Johnson as most readers here know had a brain aneurysm. I'm not sure what the deal is with Eliot Engel. Obama and Dodd have missed many votes because of their presidential campaigns -- in contrast to Hilary Clinton and Dennis Kucinich.
We'll throw up asterisks next to Johnson's, Clarke's & probably Engel's names indicating why their scores are lower. We won't do that however for Obama and Dodd, because their absences are voluntary rather than involuntary. To my knowledge Progressive Punch has a more nuanced way of treating absences on votes than any other scorecard I've ever encountered. Other scorecards EITHER don't count absences at all when computing scores OR they automatically count an absence as a "bad" vote. We don't count the vote at all if it's not a close vote. But, if the vote is close then we count it as a bad vote. I'm not a Hilary Clinton supporter for president, but she is clearly doing a better job of showing up for the job the voters hired her for than Obama or Dodd are.
I invite people to go to the site and click on the "What is a Progressive Vote" link at the bottom of the home page for a detailed explanation of how votes in general qualify for our databases.

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The First Time (4.00 / 2)
I saw Obama interviewed after the "Next President" speech at the convention I immediately did not trust him. I have met a lot of calculating snakes in my 50 years and he stuck out like a neon sign in the middle of the dessert. He had all the signs that one would want to avoid. I trust Clinton more than Obama's double speak.

At least with Clinton I can understand the political calculation of not being committal on certain issues as many on this site demand from her. But what they don't understand is that in order to sell yourself to the broadest segment of the population you can't alienate anyone UNTIL you get elected. Then by natural order some policies are going to alienate some. But Clinton being the most Liberal candidate we have by evidence of her votes would never be able to advance a Liberal agenda if she was to vocal as some would like her to be. I don't understand how so many supposedly politically astute people fail to see that.


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"divisive ideological politics" (0.00 / 0)
I know, I know.  It is him vs. Michigan.  First, he promises not to campaign here.  Then he attacks the autos, not once but twice. Then he follows up his "why can't we all get along" rhetoric with "delete my f*cking name from the Michigan ballot, Kos".  He wants to hold hands and sing with Republicans to cross the partisan divide while he tells Michigan Democrats to kiss his ass.  Kumbaya to you, too, BO.

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  

I think it's too kind to Republicans to say that they (4.00 / 1)
"are implementing policies that they think will solve our problems, but instead make those problems worse."

Particularly when you look at the kind of people who get appointed to regulatory bodies by the GOP, assuming good faith on their part is just not warranted.  They are not trying to solve "our" problems because 99% of Americans are not part of their "our".

The truth is more that, when Dems are in charge, the GOP whines and bitches and forces the Dems into "compromises" that are "pro-business" or at least "protect business."  Then on the rare occasions when the GOP is in charge, they loot the fucking Treasury, again funneling all the money to those same "businesses."  The GOP no longer represents honest disagreements on appropriate public policies to benefit American citizens and "solve our problems"; rather, they exist to channel money to key groups of people.

This actually strengthens your critique of Obama because you cannot reach out and forge a compromise with people whose fundamental objective is directly opposite to yours.  If you're there to serve all the country, and you wrongly think that your opponent is there for the same reason, then you'll imagine that a place of common ground must exist somewhere, when it doesn't.  Or at least, not where you thought you'd find it.  (If you agree to perform a public good by funneling billions of dollars to one of the right groups of people, as in Medicare Part D, then maybe you'll get somewhere... until you do this a few times, bankrupt the Treasury, and watch them demand the wholesale dissolution of Medicare, that is.)

Anyway, if Obama's whole selling point is that he can compromise with people who, up at the high levels of DC, are solely interested in creating and maintaining illegitimate profit streams for their clients, then he's got no selling point at all. 

[The problem here is the GOP is not a monolith, and experiences with Illinois Republicans, aka "tame Republicans" who have not tasted real unadulterated power in a generation, do not translate to DC where you're playing against Haley Barbour and Tom DeLay and a totally different type of person.]


It's not just too kind... (0.00 / 0)
...its missing the point!

99% of Republican politicians (and too many Democratic pols as well) aren't "implimenting policies that they think will solve our problems". They're trying enrich the richest among us, empower the most powerful among us, and disenfranchise anyone with the audacity to get in their way. They will stop at nothing to achieve these goals, they don't fight fair, and they don't say they're sorry.

We need a leader who will stand up to the powerful and faithfully represent the rest of us, and that leader is John Edwards.

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He lacks the ideological alternative. (4.00 / 3)
Sorry for the long post, but it's so difficult to discuss Obama's candidacy without putting it in context.

The Obama campaign has decided that it can't out-progressive Hillary on policy, so it's chosen to engage her on generation (gen-x vs. boomer), tone and likability. It may be the wrong move, and we should pressure Obama to identify more often and explicitly the right-wing forces which inhibit good policy. But I understand Obama's choice.

Obama thinks that he can't win an ideological campaign against Hillary, and he might be right. It's been long and correctly asserted that one can't run to Hillary's right and win the 2008 Dem primary. What's less observed and equally valid is the huge difficulty posed by running to her left as a "better progressive".

John Edwards' campaign illustrates that difficulty. Opinions aside, it's obvious that Edwards is an enormously skilled candidate. This is a guy who has spent his professional life successfully convincing ordinary people to agree with him, and it shows. With zero significant political experience while running in a red state, he beat a Repub incumbent for a U.S. Senate seat. The last Dem to do that? Hint - it happened before 1998.

And Edwards has tried the hardest to earn the support of genuine progressives, no? (I am NOT arguing that Edwards necessarily deserves the progressive vote but merely that he has "tried hardest" - taken the most chances, put out the most appropriate policies and emphases, etc - to earn it.)

But even Edwards' efforts and skill have only earned him a puncher's chance at the nomination. Hell, it hasn't even earned him the mythical netroots endorsement; he is strong there, but not dominant. Perversely and instructively, as in 2004, Edwards' candidacy still appears strongest through the electability prism even though he is explicitly not running a "moderate" campaign. 

Why? Because Hillary inspires intense loyalty in large swaths of the Dem base, and that loyalty likely isn't vulnerable.

Want to challenge Hillary's progressive bonafides? Forget about Bill - he's plenty effective even with the left, but there are bigger problems. Have fun dealing with people like Marian Wright Edelman, a genuine hero to progressives and one of Hillary's closest colleagues... or George frickin McGovern, perhaps the greatest figure of the American anti-war left... or the thousand New-Left-but-now-Old-Left folks she met working for McGovern 72 and a thousand other progressive causes. Hillary founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families. She spent her free time in law school volunteering at the Yale Child Study Center. As First Lady, she spent her political capital fighting for health care - not just the 1993 plan, but also a program called SCHIP (you may have heard of it). Who was her SCHIP buddy? Ted Kennedy, of course. Yeah, have fun fighting Hillary from her left.

Hillary's candidacy is the perfect ideological storm. Her political life has mirrored the traditional trajectory of a successful presidential campaign, but over thirty years rather than one; she earned intense loyalty from her base over the course of decades and only solicited the right well after her election to the Senate. Hillary's ideological judo (whether planned or spontaneous) explains how a person of such mediocre political ability and charisma can be favored to win the presidency. Recall that this so-called political powerhouse ran five points behind Gore in New York against out-of-his-weight-class opponent Rick Lazio.

On a purely strategic basis, it's Nixonian, really - Nixon also was a mediocre politician who spent a long time inspiring intense loyalty among the base (he lost in 1960 in part because of it - Ike and Nixon were practically sworn enemies), but was nearly invulnerable against both Rockefeller (left) and Reagan (right) in 1968 when he "moved mainstream". 

 


He lacks the ideological alternative. (4.00 / 1)
Sorry for the long post, but it's so difficult to discuss Obama's candidacy without putting it in context.

The Obama campaign has decided that it can't out-progressive Hillary on policy, so it's chosen to engage her on generation (gen-x vs. boomer), tone and likability. It may be the wrong move, and we should pressure Obama to identify more often and explicitly the right-wing forces which inhibit good policy. But I understand Obama's choice.

Obama thinks that he can't win an ideological campaign against Hillary, and he might be right. It's been long and correctly asserted that one can't run to Hillary's right and win the 2008 Dem primary. What's less observed and equally valid is the huge difficulty posed by running to her left as a "better progressive".

John Edwards' campaign illustrates that difficulty. Opinions aside, it's obvious that Edwards is an enormously skilled candidate. This is a guy who has spent his professional life successfully convincing ordinary people to agree with him, and it shows. With zero significant political experience while running in a red state, he beat a Repub incumbent for a U.S. Senate seat. The last Dem to do that? Hint - it happened before 1998.

And Edwards has tried the hardest to earn the support of genuine progressives, no? (I am NOT arguing that Edwards necessarily deserves the progressive vote but merely that he has "tried hardest" - taken the most chances, put out the most appropriate policies and emphases, etc - to earn it.)

But even Edwards' efforts and skill have only earned him a puncher's chance at the nomination. Hell, it hasn't even earned him the mythical netroots endorsement; he is strong there, but not dominant. Perversely and instructively, as in 2004, Edwards' candidacy still appears strongest through the electability prism even though he is explicitly not running a "moderate" campaign. 

Why? Because Hillary inspires intense loyalty in large swaths of the Dem base, and that loyalty likely isn't vulnerable.

Want to challenge Hillary's progressive bonafides? Forget about Bill - he's plenty effective even with the left, but there are bigger problems. Have fun dealing with people like Marian Wright Edelman, a genuine hero to progressives and one of Hillary's closest colleagues... or George frickin McGovern, perhaps the greatest figure of the American anti-war left... or the thousand New-Left-but-now-Old-Left folks she met working for McGovern 72 and a thousand other progressive causes. Hillary founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families. She spent her free time in law school volunteering at the Yale Child Study Center. As First Lady, she spent her political capital fighting for health care - not just the 1993 plan, but also a program called SCHIP (you may have heard of it). Who was her SCHIP buddy? Ted Kennedy, of course. Yeah, have fun fighting Hillary from her left.

Hillary's candidacy is the perfect ideological storm. Her political life has mirrored the traditional trajectory of a successful presidential campaign, but over thirty years rather than one; she earned intense loyalty from her base over the course of decades and only solicited the right well after her election to the Senate. Hillary's ideological judo (whether planned or spontaneous) explains how a person of such mediocre political ability and charisma can be favored to win the presidency. Recall that this so-called political powerhouse ran five points behind Gore in New York against out-of-his-weight-class opponent Rick Lazio.

On a purely strategic basis, it's Nixonian, really - Nixon also was a mediocre politician who spent a long time inspiring intense loyalty among the base (he lost in 1960 in part because of it - Ike and Nixon were practically sworn enemies), but was nearly invulnerable against both Rockefeller (left) and Reagan (right) in 1968 when he "moved mainstream". 

 


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