Gore Shouldn't Run In 2008

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 15:35


For the past three weeks, I have grown extremely interested in a possible Al Gore candidacy. In late September, a few things happened that pushed me in that direction. First, John Edwards, who appears to be the most progressive candidate among the top three, accepted public financing, which gave me grave doubts on his ability to win the general election. Second, after six months of trying, along with the Richardson campaign we here at Open Left finally managed to push the residual forces argument into an open, public debate, but it didn't seem to change anything like I thought it would. Third, not only does Hillary Clinton keep rising in polls and money, but she just doesn't really seem noticeably worse to me than Barack Obama, or really any other candidate, on pretty much anything There are a few of things, virtually all related to foreign policy, but not many. Fourth, worries about Clinton's electability have all but disappeared, at least relative to the rest of the field, as she polls better than Obama against Republicans (see here and here) and won't be financially hamstrung like Edwards. Fifth, neither Dodd nor Kucinich were receiving any traction, and I'm not going to support someone at 2% in the polls. The way I see it, there is simply too much else to be done in politics to bother with that. So, basically, I started looking at Gore because I wasn't sure how else to shake up the campaign, which pretty much seemed like Clinton pulling away from a group of candidates who were neither ideologically nor electorally superior to her.

But now, I'm off that bandwagon, too. In fact, despite his leadership on climate change, health care, Iraq and opposing Bush, I don't think Gore should even run. The reason is that I just don't think such a run would be good for him, at all. Consider the first post-Nobel prize poll that includes Gore, showing virtually no bump in his numbers whatsoever:

In the new update of national Democrats' and Democratic-leaning independents' preferences for the Democratic presidential nomination, 14% select Gore as their first choice when he is included in a list along with the eight announced Democratic candidates. Clinton leads with 44%, while Obama is next at 19%. Gore finishes slightly ahead of Edwards, who is supported by 10% of rank-and-file Democrats. (With Gore support factored out -- Gallup's standard reporting of the Democratic ballot -- Clinton leads Obama by 50% to 21%.)

In the pre-Nobel Prize reading of the ballot including Gore, taken Oct. 4-7, 10% of Democrats chose Gore as their first choice, so the win may have increased his support slightly, but the four-percentage-point bump is within the poll's margin of sampling error. Any bump Gore received appears to have come at Obama's expense, who is the only candidate to show evidence of a drop from the prior poll.

After an incredible flood of positive coverage, Gore still didn't move up very far in national polling. In fact, after the Nobel, not only is Clinton still tripling his numbers, but he also trails Obama and is barely ahead of Edwards. In short, the support for a Gore run just doesn't seem to be broad enough among the Democratic electorate nationwide for him to have a chance to win. Further, I have no doubt that Gore would perform even worse in Iowa than he would nationally right now, making victory an even longer shot than the above linked Gallup poll implies. Keep in mind that there are only eleven weeks before Iowa right now. By way of contrast, when Clark announced in 2003, there were eighteen weeks left before Iowa.

Gore shouldn't run if he can't win, or at least come close. Right now, it seems as though he could do neither. Not only would that look bad, it would actually hurt his ability to advocate on behalf of important causes. Over the past few years, Gore has done a great job of always saying what needed to be said and doing what needed to be done. I don't want to see that ability go away in order to pursue a quixotic, eleven week Presidential campaign. I would rather have the Al Gore that we have right now than a further defeated Al Gore whose national image would be permanently damaged by a crushing primary blow. In fact, I think one accurate way of putting it is that I don't think Gore should run precisely because he is so great right now.
 
The 2008 Democratic Presidential primary has been reduced to one state: Iowa. Clinton is the clear frontrunner everywhere else, but Obama and, to a lesser extent, Edwards, both still have a chance of stopping her there. Gore simply has no such chance, and should stay out of the campaign as a result. That is the fairly boring way I see things right now. While I will continue to search for other ways to shake up the campaign, I don't think Gore is the way to make it happen. For me, it is on to other topics.

Chris Bowers :: Gore Shouldn't Run In 2008

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Gore would win in a landslide. (4.00 / 1)
Really, the polls are meaningless this early. Howard Dean might tell you that. We ARE going to have a Democratic president in 2009, whether it's Clinton, Obama, Dodd, Edwards or Gore. The crop of midgets that are the Republican slate is pathetic. Everyone I know, even those who are currently volunteering for Obama and Clinton tells me that if Gore enters the race they would have to re-evaluate their support and would switch in a second. If what I hear is true about Gore's distaste for Hillary, I think the closer it looks like she'll get the nomination, the likelier it is he'll jump in.

The polls are crap. 

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain


The polls are crap? (4.00 / 1)
That's your response? That's the whole thing?

To be blunt, that isn't reality-based. Polls are extremely accurate predictors of current candidate support. If Gore's support only goes up four points after winning the Nobel, then I don't see how it is going up the twenty points needed to catch Clinton under any circumstances.

He couldn't have asked for more favorable coverage, and he still didn't go up. I don't want to be harsh, but hust dismissing that because you don't like it or because it doesn't fit your anecdotal view of the campaign doesn't change it.


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"The polls are crap" (4.00 / 1)
Ha, I guess I'm biased. I was a volunteer for Dean for the Iowa caucus. The results of that plus New Hampshire killed his front-runner status and campaign. History is replete with front-runners who got crushed in the early primaries. Does anyone really think we're going to have a Republican president in 2009? And as I said, everyone I talk to would drop their candidate in a second and switch to Gore. Whether Gore is going to run is another matter, but if he did, he would re-energize the primary. 

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

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I should also say (4.00 / 2)
I should also say that the fact that so many don't believe Gore would run biases the polls that have him in as a choice. No poll is going to accurately reflect reality until he is an actual candidate.

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

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Why would people choose a candidate .. (4.00 / 3)
who hasn't even announced? .. I bet if Gore actually announced .. you'd see his numbers go up dramatically ...  but when polled .. people aren't gonna say yes to him .. when they don't think he'll run

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He's not running, so people don't respond with what they wish were true (4.00 / 2)
I'm one of those people who would vote for Gore if he ran. But he's not running, so I discount him from polls even if he's mentioned as a choice. I think a lot of other people do as well. Regardless, I think you're right on the basic point. If he ran and didn't win, he would be starting over again. I don't think his cause, or he personally could take that again.

Gore will have an important role in the next administration, with or without an official title.


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Your analysis is weak (4.00 / 4)
for the reasons that others state. I don't know what I would do with a Gore run. I would probably support who I am supporting now or not. I just know that the idea that you are so poll driven at times is one of your biggest weaknesses. It's like you can't see beyond them enough to figure out how to drive the narrative rather than be driven by it. I am reminded of how the other day you announced your annoyance at the way that the fund raising numbers by the major Democratic candidates was driving the narratives. As I pointed out then, and I will repeat now, you are part of that narrative that says by the numbers, and only the numbers, is how we should judge a situation. I am not advocating ignoring numbers. I am advocating recognizing their limitations. I don't feel like you always do this.

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Your credibility on Gore's prospects is very poor. (4.00 / 1)
Two years ago, you deemed:

Could Gore Even Win Again?
by Chris Bowers, Sun Oct 09, 2005

by using very dated favorables and dated head-to-head matchups as the main basis of your argument.

I responded to you back then:


Chris, Yes, Gore can absolutely win again
by NeuvoLiberal, Thu Oct 13, 2005

Both of those measures have significantly changed since then. Gore's net favorables are in steady state around +10, and +21 post-Nobel in the Gallup poll you quote.

Today, you stand self-contradicted when you said this at DKos: "favorable ratings are over-rated as an indicator of electoral viability"

Gore also polled quite well (comparable the current front-three in the polls from the time) back when he was being polled in match-ups.

You had gone out on the limb to ask pollsters to not poll on Gore, earlier this year. Some apparently took your advice (Rasmussen sees to have had). Had you not done that, we would have probably had more polling data with Gore today.

While I appreciated your recent thoughtful post about Gore from a few days ago, overall, you've been unreasonably pro-actively opposed to a Gore candidacy over the last 2+ year period.

Haven't you done to try and handicap a Gore candidacy enough already? What IS your problem with Gore?

Gore would absolutely make a terrific and very progressive President, and Gore/Obama would transform the political landscape for generations to come.


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Latest GE poll: Gore beats Giuliani by 6%, Clinton does by 2% (4.00 / 1)

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Oct. 12-14, 2007. N=927 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.
link

Head-to-heads:

HRC: 49%
Giuliani: 47%

Gore: 52%
Giuliani: 46%



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My guess from observing you for a long time (0.00 / 0)
is that, you're way too sensitive.

If some Gore supporter somewhere says something that ruffles your feathers,  you let that hurt your feelings and repsond negatively towards Gore with extreme spin-laden posts like this one and the one back in 2005 I linked above, to undermine a Gore candidacy. I think you need to simmer down and be less touchy in these matters than you seem to be.


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I agree Chris. (0.00 / 0)
it's a fools errand, plain and simple.

And i'd just like to say that I really, really, REALLY resent that... yet again Iowa has the say over so much.

argh!

-C.


The problem with the polls (4.00 / 2)
I don't know if there is anyway that a poll could be accurate because Gore has not announced his intention to run.  I don't know if he was a candidate if that would make a difference.  Why answer that you would vote for someone not on the ballot?
  I do know that if he did intend to run the window of opportunity is quite small now.  He would have a lot to do to just get on the ballot in most of the states.
  With some of the top candidates there might be buyer's remorse as the campaigns move forward and I think that nothing is really set in stone as of yet.

I agree. (4.00 / 1)
Once Clark said he wasn't running, I desperately wanted Gore to get in the race. But I think you're right.  If someone runs for president and loses (not that Gore actually lost, but you know) they best make darn sure they'd win before running again. I'm sure Gore knows this and most likely won't run. Clark knew this as well, and that's why he didn't run.

It pains me that neither Clark nor Gore -- the 2 most qualified men to lead this country at this point in time -- are running. None of the current candidates interest me in the least, except Kucinich and everyone knows he hasn't a chance. I will continue supporting Dems in Congessional races and vote Dem in the GE.

Two issues we need to focus on for anything to change is media reform and publicly financed campaigns. Otherwise, every 4 years we'll be facing the same problem -- same as it ever was...


"Worries about Clinton's electability have all but disappeared" (4.00 / 3)
What? Since when?

I don't think Gore will run (who really does?) so talking about the merits of a Gore entry seem like a waste of time. However, your logic behind not supporting Gore if he were to run are EXACTLY what is wrong with the Democratic Party right now.

The case against Hillary Clinton has been made many a time and I'm not about to make it again here. However, anyone who is content to crown Hillary the next nominee of the party simply because she has high polling numbers regardless of her policy is absolutely ridiculous. This is the reason we lose elections. This is the reason we end up with Bush Dogs. If you, Chris, or any of the other Democrats on Clinton cruise control want to sacrifice progressive values for the sake of a winning horse, be my guest. But when Hillary loses the general election and you get and everyone gets on their respective soap boxes to complain, I'll be the guy in the corner saying I told you so.

I thought we learned our lesson as a party in 2004. Then, as is clearly happening now, Democrats picked who they thought was a "winner" rather than someone who was actually raising their voice on behalf of the issues we care about. And then he lost.

I would rather have Al Gore lose 50 states to Rudy Giuliani than see Hillary Clinton lose Florida. Call me a troll. Call me a purist. Call me what you will. But I call myself a progressive Democrat. What are you calling yourself these days?


I cross posted this comment in my diary (4.00 / 4)
Your points are well taken (though I disagree with most of them).  But you fail to mention why then that nearly half of Democrats want to see him run.  You also make no point that many Democrats are not voting for Gore in polls because he's not currently running and is perceived as not planning to run.  Likewise, there's a difference between being content with candidates and wanting Gore to run - 80% of Democrats are happy with the field, but almost half want him to run!  How do you explain that?

Your assessment that he shouldn't run is based solely on national polls that do not measure Gore's true support should he run.  Do you think the Pope would win Republican primary polls?  No, because he's not running!  Same situation applies - the fact that Gore is even polling at 15% as a non-candidate that has shown no public interest in running is amazing in itself.

Netroots for Gore


The same poll also says... (4.00 / 3)
48% of Dems want him to run. Why would a Dem want him to run if they are happily supporting one of the running candidates? I think that is something to consider. I think that you may be reaching a faulty conclusion from those figures.

Choice (0.00 / 0)
Americans are obsessed with choice and they like for everyone to have a chance. It doesn't mean that people will choose Al Gore.

I you want health care, work hard. If you want universal health care, vote for liberals.

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How many solid Hillary supporters (or Obama, Edwards) (0.00 / 0)
Really want folks to have the option of voting for Gore? I'm still unconvinced.

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To add to my point about weakness of your argument above (4.00 / 2)
You are now amongst the Democratic elite. I wasn't sure about this until recently but everything you do is based on the CW.

Phrasing of the poll question (4.00 / 1)
Unfortunately I can't find how the poll question was phrased, but I bet it wasn't:

"If Al Gore were to enter the race for the 2008 Democratic Presidential Nomination, who would you vote for if the election were held today?"

That first clause makes all the difference. Just as long as people know that Gore isn't running, they're not going to choose him.

I think Chris was right the other day in suggesting that the next logical step is for the Draft Gore movement to commission a poll of IA, NH, and California (a big Feb. 5 state) with the following 3 questions:

1) Who would you vote for among the current candidates?
2) If Al Gore were to jump in, would your support change to Gore?
3) If Al Gore were to jump in, who would you vote for?

Lastly, the easy way for Gore to make Iowa not matter so much is to jump in and announce that he's focusing on NH and the Feb. 5 states, as Jerome blogged about on MyDD the other day.

Leftmost Bit


A Mouthful (4.00 / 1)

Pretty much sums up the uninspiring candidates from the Democratic Party:

"Third, not only does Hillary Clinton keep rising in polls and money, but she just doesn't really seem noticeably worse to me than Barack Obama, or really any other candidate, on pretty much anything."

"Not notably worse than the opponent" - what a fantastic slogan.



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