We Reacted Like a Movement Should to Obama

by: Matt Stoller

Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 19:18


I've been criticizing Obama for literally years now, and it started because I just distrust cults of personality.  During the 2004 convention, everyone seemed wowed by his speech.  I was never taken in, possibly because I think speechifying is overrated but more likely because I was playing around on the internet instead of paying attention.  I suppose this is the political equivalent for bloggers of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry makes out during Schindler's List, but regardless, I never really thought he was teh awesome.

At any rate, my read is that Obama's political psyche can best best explained by his loss to Bobby Rush, and his utter fealty to machine politics thereafter.  He didn't run a real race in 2004, so his political experience is colored by losing to the machine candidate and then instantly becoming a rock star Senator, with no negative ads in between.  Here's what I wrote a little over a year ago.

Barack Obama knows we must change, but he also knows the penalty for fighting for change.  This internal contradiction comes out in his sickening praise of Bush, whom he praised today on Meet the Press, or in his embrace of bipartisanship for him and his Senate buddies.  It comes out in a strong disdain for progressives, be it random sneering insults towards liberals or pandering to an authoritarian pagan right-wing evangelical tribalism.  He doesn't like that we make him revisit his loss to Bobby Rush, because the last thing he wants to think of himself as is a loser, and because we make him make choices.  You know, like the choice he made to not go to Connecticut to campaign for Ned Lamont, which we will remember as the unprincipled betrayal of the Democratic Party that it is.  We want to hold him accountable for the dreams that are invested in his persona, and he doesn't want to be responsible for the hope of millions, though he does want to sell a book called The Audacity of Hope.

So why, after all of this, do I think he should run for President?  It would be good for everyone if he did.  For the Democratic Party, we would be able to engage our hero in a debate over policies and ideas, and we'd be able to take him down off a pedestal and actually grapple together with common challenges.  That would make us as a party stronger.  For the country, all Americans would be able to move beyond the rock star persona, and get to the substance, and that would be good.  Public debate is better than rock star adulation.

And for Obama?  Well, Obama is scared.  He hasn't had to make choices for a long time, and he knows he has a limited timeframe in which to capitalize on the brand he has out there.  His brand has a shelf-life, and running for President would force him to clarify what he wants to mean beyond gorgeous ambitiion.  That would be good for him as a politician, and as a man.  We haven't yet seen what a Barack Obama would fight for in a public debate, and it's something I'd like to see.  I'd like to see him enter the contest, and in all likelihood get crushed for being a go-along-get-along politician.  Only then can he become a great Senator or President, after he realizes that it's not about being liked by everyone, it's about being a principled human being.

And that's the gist of what Markos wrote today.  This week of the Obama campaign is a test of whether we rationalize away our leaders' betrayals or whether we hold them accountable. 

This is truly an epic flameout by the Obama campaign, engaged in actions that are completely indefensible. Those of you who continue to try and rationalize it -- would you be making the same exculpatory arguments if it was George W. Bush doing the things Obama is doing right now? Or one of the rival campaigns? Somehow, I doubt the vast majority of you would.

Obama isn't the be-all savior for what ails our country. No one is. If there's a message I thought we were successfully delivering in the netroots is that it was up to US to move this country in the right direction since we couldn't depend on our so-called "leaders". This sort of hero worship of several of our candidates (Edwards, Obama, and even Hillary) is somewhat creepy to begin with, but serves little more than to set up the inevitable disappointment.

Accountability is what we believe in, not because it's bad for Bush but because it's good for America, good for our country, and good for our party.  Obama is getting the scrutiny he deserves, and he will ultimately be a better politician for it.  Losing clarifies the political soul.

I'm really proud of how we stood up for our values and ourselves, and didn't rationalize away Obama's pandering.  It's how a healthy movement should act.  I'm proud that progressives considering themselves Obama supporters are dropping away loudly and angrily, and that there's accountability in at least one corner of the party.  It's an important precedent to set, that values are the driving force behind what we do, not incoherent notions of strategy.  That is what divides us from DC insiders, that we react badly to acts of betrayal, that we don't let our leaders throw us or our gay brothers and sisters under the bus.  That is what brings us strength and credibility, that we stand for something and lead.

This is a remarkable turn of events.  Obama isn't getting taken down by another candidate, he's being destroyed by progressives who are angry that he is selling out their values.  It's unlikely that we can stop Clinton from getting the nomination, but the fact that the base has reached out from the internet to lead the candidates around, and then attempted to destroy one of them for selling us out, is such a shift since 2004.  Know that we are just different from the right.  We are not authoritarian, we are democratic and discursive, and we fight for our values.

It's a terrible day for the Obama campaign, but it's been a great week for progressives.  This was a test, and we passed.

Matt Stoller :: We Reacted Like a Movement Should to Obama

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Not a single vote has been cast (0.00 / 0)
It's unlikely that we can stop Clinton from getting the nomination,

In combination with other forces we may very well stop her. Dodd's tough stand on FISA is just now beginning to sink in. Dodd's rise has made Edwards bolder, and there is plenty of time for Obama to recover.

Even if Clinton does prevail in Iowa and NH, Obama or Edwards could win in SC (or Colbert pull a freak win and throw a monkey wrench in the whole process) and someone not named Clinton might win Nevada.

It is better not to get ahead of the process, let the voters decide.


Iowa is our only hope--let's face it (4.00 / 1)
Stopping Hillary in Iowa is the only way to derail her candidacy, and even that might not be enough if she finishes a strong second. She leads by a pretty comfortable margin in NH right now.

Fortunately, I still think she can be beaten convincingly in Iowa.

Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.


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Well said and to the point Matt. (0.00 / 0)
But I do think we shouldn't write off John Edwards just yet.

He's really got the right program for our nation, it remains to be seen what will happen in Iowa and  New Hampshire, especially in light of the Obama meltdown and....

Hillary has been just awful on the key issues, Iraq, Iran and healthcare for years.

Hopefully Free Left Blogistan will get behind Edwards and push.

Remember what Yogi said!

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


boy am I glad Axelrod (0.00 / 0)
is no longer advising John Edwards.

Obama has made a lot of tactical errors this year, but his biggest problem is trying to win a Democratic primary as a post-partisan, can't-we-all-get-along guy who doesn't usually mention the word "Democrat" in his speeches.

Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.


Axelrod (4.00 / 2)
Axelrod should be fired.  This is just the latest in a series of stupid campaign blunders, just when he was getting traction on Iraq and Iran.  A campaign shakeup is probably overdue.

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Reports of Obama's death greatly exaggerated (4.00 / 1)
If progressives allegedly "have destroyed" Obama, how has he moved up to near parity with Clinton in the latest Iowa poll?  McClurkin was a mistake by the Obama campaign, a stupid one, but I really don't buy the pile on by bloggers.  If the netroots is such a powerful force, as Stoller suggests, how has it failed to hold Hillary Clinton accountable for her part in voting for and selling the Iraq War?  Despite the vitriol of Kos and Bowers, Hillary still dominates the field.

Obama's campaign made a big mistake, but Obama's record on gay issues is stellar.  Maybe the hysteria was a tad misplaced.


The poll in question (0.00 / 0)
is questionable.  Mark Blumenthal of Pollster.com puts many caveats around it:

Readers should consider that the methodology of this survey, as in August, is different from most of the other Iowa caucus surveys we have seen. According to Professor David Redlawski, who spoke at a Washington press briefing this morning, the October Hawkeye this most recent survey used essentially the same methodology as their August survey. That is, it used an open-ended vote question, the same screening questions and sampled from a list of telephone numbers drawn from listed telephone directories (i.e. not a registered voter list and not using a random digit dial methodology)....

So interpret these results in that context and with great caution. The trends observed by comparing the August an October Hawkeye polls are meaningful - because they used the same methodology for both polls - but apply only to the very broad population of Iowa adults sampled. It helps that the trends in this poll bear a resemblance to what we have seen lately on other Iowa polls, but we advise huge grains of salt before comparing the support for any particular candidate on this survey to that measured by any other survey.




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Obama was DEPENDING on progressives ... (0.00 / 0)
... who are more influenced by the blogosphere.  Hillary is counting on the Beltway to pull her through.

Full Court Press!  http://www.openleft.com/showDi...

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Base (0.00 / 0)
Good point.

Tough to see how infuriating your base can get you the nomination.


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Just read Bowers' post, Obama's response memo (0.00 / 0)
This is much worse than I thought, and very disheartening.

Maybe he'll get it back together.  But my hope for Obama is running out.  I still find Obama more preferable than Hillary, but instead of being for something, I will merely be supporting whoever can bring Clinton down, which looks more and more unlikely by the day.


Leaving (4.00 / 2)
aside the contentions by you and Chris that nobody can stop Clinton, to focus on this particular incident I like you am heartened by the larger blogosphere response to Obama.

I have been writing a lot about this over at my personal blog.  Here are a few points I have been making over there.

1) The Obama campaign made a calculation that they would get more out of the African-American community than they would lose by pissing off teh gays.

2) It is impossible to actually do the unifying work that Obama talks about wanting to do during a presidential campaign.  A presidential candidate cannot be trying to get rid of homophobia within a community he is courting.  He cannot be confronting folks and you have to do that before you bring them together.

An incident like this one will have an even larger effect on the young folks Obama is hoping to attract.  They are very much gay friendly and adverse to intolerance.  The disconnect between the new way of thinking that Obama is heralding and the old world of letting homophobes slide by is stark.

On a final note, I cannot believe the stupidity of the decision not to have Obama actually appear there.  There was nobody to fix things when it went wrong and McClurkin was able to preach intolerence without anyone pushing back on it.


Thanks for pushing me on this too (0.00 / 0)
Took me a long time to clarify my thoughts on all this, and it wouldn't have been possible without your writing. You called it--well done.

Obama (0.00 / 0)
The hyperbole is un-believable here.

So you are pissed off with Obama and thus you will get Clinton. I hope you are happy with her hawkishness and policies with leading us into Iran. The DLC WILL CALL THE SHOTS AND CORPORIST;S AMERICA WILL WIN.

The bottom line is that right now the only candidate that can stop Clinton is Obama. He is in 2nd place in Iowa and close to Clinton. He win's Iowa, he is the only one with the money to really capitilize on the win.

I like Edwards and the net roots never rally'd around him. He is now in 3rd place in Iowa and he has to win Iowa in-order to compete the rest of the way.

The gay community better watch out in going after Obama for the reaction from the AA community.

Tell me Matt and Chris which AA leader's are now condeming Obama. Name one leader  or AA politician who is now condeming him for this incident?

They may look at you guy's as racist in your attitudes of going way overboard in your condemation of Obama.


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Wrong wrong wrong (0.00 / 0)
In just about every respect.

- It's not clear at this point that Obama is substantially preferable to Hillary. Almost everything we don't like about Hillary is true about Obama as well, in some form.

- Obama is not the only alternative to Hillary. Obama and Edwards stand an equal chance of knocking her off. You are putting WAY too much emphasis on a single questionable poll; Edwards is not in any significant sense "in 3rd place in Iowa." Iowa is basically neck and neck, and any of the three candidates may win it.

- Do you really want to make this a race thing? Really?


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Obama (0.00 / 0)
The criticizim and distortion is way over the top and does smell of some racisim.

Why are not any AA leader's criticizing Obama on this issue.

The SS stand by Obama IS VERY resonable and responsible.

You have got to be kidding if you think we would get a better candidate on war and peace from HRC. jUST LOOK AT HER RECORD AND VOTES, Especially her rhetoric on Iraq from 2002-2006.

The RCP AVG for Iowa puts him in 2nd place. More importantly he has the money to capitalize on a win in IA.

Finally, don't be surprised if you see a rallying around Obama from the AA community.


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Seriously? (0.00 / 0)
Why are not any AA leader's criticizing Obama on this issue.

Are you kidding me? Your point is that the rallying of the AA community around an explicitly anti-gay message is considered a laudable thing? Should Obama start looking to cultivate the white southern base with anti-immegration retoric and get Trancedo up to talk at his next event in Texas?

The idea of part is an abstraction, but it is supposed to be built around a certain basic philosophical framework. One of those for the Democrats is supposed to be a commitment to the respect and civil rights for every American without prejudice in regards to sex, race, belief, or orientation. Period. You shouldn't want the votes of the people who don't feel that is a basic and fundamental right.

That's the part that people don't seem to get. I don't care what the political ramifications of his inclusion of the singer are. By associating his campaign with him, Obama associated himself with his views; views that are supposed to be morally and ethically opposite of what his party is supposed to stand for. That's the only issue here.

Finally, don't be surprised if you see a rallying around Obama from the AA community.

With Clinton's 3/1 dominance in AA women over Obama, there's about as much likelihood as Ron Paul winning the GOP nomination. 


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