Marijuana At The Debate

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 15:39


I know decriminalizing marijuana isn't the biggest issue around, but the war on drugs is one of the larger issues we face. Mandatory minimums on non-violent drug offenses are clogging our prison system with people the government thinks need to be protect from themselves. According to one study:

Contrary to the public perception that the incarceration of violent offenders has driven America's prison growth, the Institute found that 77% of the growth in intake to America's state and federal prisons between 1978 and 1996 was accounted for by nonviolent offenders. According to data collected by the United States Justice Department, from 1978 to 1996, the number of violent offenders entering our nation's prisons doubled (from 43,733 to 98,672 inmates); the number of nonviolent offenders tripled (from 83,721 to 261,796 inmates) and the number of drug offenders increased seven-fold (from 14,241 to 114,071 inmates). Justice Department surveys show that 52.7% of state prison inmates, 73.7% of jail inmates, and 87.6% of federal inmates were imprisoned for offenses which involved neither harm, nor the threat of harm, to a victim. Based on this data, we estimate that by the end of 1998, there were 440,088 nonviolent jail inmates, 639,280 nonviolent state prison inmates, and 106,090 nonviolent federal prisoners locked up in America, for a total 1,185,458 nonviolent prisoners.

Now, there are obviously non-violent crimes for which people should be incarcerated. However, when these non-violent "crimes" are protecting people from themselves, that is simply something that I don't think the government should be in the business of doing. Not to mention that, when combined with mandatory minimums, felony disenfranchisement, and racial profiling, these laws tend to be more of a war on African-American and other youth of color than anything else:

Nationally, more than four million Americans are denied the right to vote as a result of laws that prohibit voting by felons or ex-felons. In 48 states (with the exception of Maine and Vermont) and the District of Columbia prisoners cannot vote, in 35 states felons on probation or parole are disenfranchised, and in 14 states a felony conviction can result in a lifetime ban long after the completion of a sentence. This fundamental obstacle to participation in democratic life is exacerbated by racial disparities in the criminal justice system, resulting in an estimated 13% of black men unable to vote.

This is the case pretty much no matter the specific example, but the problem becomes especially egregious when we are talking about something that at least half of the country has engaged in during their lives:

CNN/Time Poll conducted by Harris Interactive. Oct. 23-24, 2002. N=1,007 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.1.

"According to statistics, lots of people have tried marijuana at least once. How about you, have you tried marijuana at least once?"

Yes 47%--50% No

The actual totals are probably even higher, since there are some people who do not want to tell a stranger that they have broken the law. If half of the country is doing something to their own body out of personal choice, and mandatory minimum laws remain in place, doesn't it strike other people as a bad idea to keep that something illegal?

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like a bad idea to Joe Biden and John Edwards:

Russert: Senator Dodd, you went on the Bill Maher show last month and said that you were for decriminalizing marijuana.

Is there anyone here who disagrees with Senator Dodd in decriminalizing marijuana?

Senator Biden, Senator...

(Laughter)

Senator Edwards, why?

Edwards: Because I think it sends the wrong signal to young people. And I think the president of the United States has a responsibility to ensure that we're sending the right signals to young people.

Dodd: Can I respond just why I think it ought to be?

We're locking up too many people in our system here today. We've got mandatory minimum sentences, they are filling our jails with people that don't belong there.

My idea is to decriminalize this, reduce that problem here. We've gone from 800,000 to 2 million people, in our penal institutions in this country. We've got to get a lot smarter about this issue than we are. And as president, I'd try and achieve that.

Good for Chris Dodd. Bad for Edwards and Biden. Granted most of the people in jail for these offenses are in local and state prisons, so the federal side isn't the most essential piece of the puzzle here. Still, almost half of the federal prison population is incarcerated for non-violent drug offensives, so it does matter. Also, it is very disappointing to me that image is more important than reality here. Is the "message" we send to children more important than the reality of hundreds of thousands of Americans in jail because of marijuana, or that half of the country has tried marijuana? Let me put this in a different perspective. If roughly half of the adult population of the United States has tried marijuana, that means over 100,000,000 Americans are in violation of this law. And if only 1% of those 100,000 are in jail because of it, it certainly seems like certain people and certain groups are being unfairly singled out by a law that the population is openly flaunting. Not only does that strike me as more important than any message we send to children, but it also strikes me that said message is self-defeating from the start. No matter what the President says, kids will quickly learn that a lot of people smoke marijuana from time to time, and almost everyone gets away with it.

Our laws need to be designed around reality, not image or message. Continuing to keep marijuana illegal seems roughly equivalent to the catastrophic failure of Prohibition eighty years ago. Not only should the government not be in the business of regulating personal behavior, it clearly is failing to do so in this area. All it is doing is making a criminal underclass in our society. And it is too bad that Senator Edwards, who usually says very good things, doesn't see that. Hopefully, his mind can be changed.

Chris Bowers :: Marijuana At The Debate

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Jim Webb made a great point at the Jefferson-Jackson (4.00 / 1)
dinner in NH a week ago:

He noted that there is a 60% chance that an African American male who does not graduate from high school will go to jail.

60%!!!!

There were two reasons why I am no longer a prosecutor.  The first is the absurd sentences handed out in drug convictions. 

The second, I must confess, is filthy lucre...


Obama unsure (4.00 / 1)
As an Obama supporter I found it troubling that it looked like he was debating whether or not to raise his hand.  My guess is that he had some nuanced qualifier.

What a strange poll question (4.00 / 1)
According to statistics, lots of people have tried marijuana, here, be part of statistics and tell me if you've tried marijuana. The wording reminds me of 80's peer pressure PSAs. Is it designed to make people more comfortable telling the truth? Would a straightforward - have you tried marijuana - question have different results?

For Dodd (0.00 / 0)
That's it -- I am now a Dodd supporter. Edwards has just lost any chance of me supporting him with that tripe.

Between fighting against telecom amnesty, the non-nuanced Iraq withdrawal stance, and this wisdom on the "War on Drugs", I'm now convinced he's the best candidate -- by far.

I hope he's able to get some momentum and have a fighting chance in Iowa and New Hampshire.


Me too. (0.00 / 0)
That comment by Edwards is beyond embarrassing... it's pathetic.

And I can't believe Dodd is for decriminalization too!  After the carbon tax, the net neutrality (I think), the real leadership on Iraq, the public financing of campaigns, and the real leadership on wiretapping and immunity, to put the biggest issue of all on the table, finally, is just amazing.  I'm sending money, for the first time to any prez candidate this cycle.

And I do think decriminalization is the absolute key to healing our politics.  Criminalization --> black markets --> huge huge piles of untaxed, undeclared, off the record cash --> massive corruption among the enforcement branches of our government (police, DAs, mayors, DEA) --> rotten political slush funds and various illegal behavior on the part of politicans (CIA, Norman Hsu, Iran-Contra) --> absolute need to cover all this up and prevent any outsiders or normal citizens from ever finding out --> government that is completely alienated from the people.  Our government created the black market through Prohibition, and is a major player in it, and that is the reason it is so relentlessly walled off from the people.  Destroying the black market is the only way to get our government back (and a lot of other things too, actually).

I can't wait to get the video of Dodd on Meet the Press now.  I want to know exactly what he's saying, and exactly how Russert responded too.


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Incidentally, (0.00 / 0)
what I was hoping for back in April was for Obama to articulate Dodd's platform.  I don't really need him to be any farther left than Dodd (although I'd be thrilled if he were), but the platform that Dodd has articulated up to now is basically exactly where I was hoping Obama would go.  That's the great crushing disappointment of this primary season.  That Obama, one of the most charismatic and likeable politians in a very long time, could have taken Dodd's platform and really gone all the way with it, and made those important things happen, but instead he pissed away the opening his charisma gave him on nothing, while Dodd doesn't have the charisma to take his great platform anywhere.  That totally sucks.

The only response is to support Dodd, I guess, even though it seems incredibly unlikely that he can win the primary.  Oh well.

That's why this year is a disappointment.

Can you imagine how electric this primary would have been if Obama had said and done all these things??  The contest would be on fire!  If he were poised to beat both Hillary and her entire wing of the Democratic Party, and the GOP, with this stuff...


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Edwards (0.00 / 0)
The comparison to prohibition is right on point. 

I thought this was Edwards' worst moment in the debate.  I suspect that Edwards knew that the answer he gave was the safest, smartest answer politically now, but if he didn't mean it, so much for honestly and change.  If he did mean it, that's worse. 


Too Many Jobs, Too Much Pork, Too Much POWER Depends On TWOD (4.00 / 1)
To imagine that those who benefit, profit, and prosper because of it will surrender their perqs.
TheWarOnDrugs (TWOD) is an amazingly useful program. It is a staple in the repression of people of color: pot busts put a blot on your record in the "serious" universe. Pot convictions can disqualify a person from voting. Very useful for disenfranchising potentially disruptive voters.
The prison guards' union in California has prevented reform of the 'three-strikes' and 'mandatory sentencing' laws, ferociously lobbying state lawmakers because it would mean a loss of jobs if the reforms passed and fewer people were incarcerated.
Thom Hartmann frequently repeats the statistic that there are nearly a MILLION home invasions every year by police, the MAJORITY of which are prompted by nothing more sinister than the report of a family-crop.
Police forces and municipalities prosper from the  appropriation of drug-related property.
The drug-testing industry has only really gotten off the ground in the last decade or so, but it already constitutes a huge, wealthy factor in TWOD, when every kid in America who wants to participate in sports must submit to tests in which the primary object is to discover marijuana and steroid use.
I admire Dodd for his candor, and abominate the others for their caution. But likely as not, TWOD will endure asa long as the GWOT...

I am confused... (0.00 / 0)
So that means Edwards also supports the war on terror and continuing to fight for democracy in iraq.  Because it would send a terrible message to our kids to be pro terror and anti democracy wouldn't it?  Snark aside, this does weaken my support for edwards, oh if only Dodd was a "clean looking" and articulate black man, oh the places we would go.

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