Goodbye isn't a very good title because I hope it won't be.

by: debcoop

Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 19:21


This has been a wonderful community to be a very small part of. When Matt and Chris said they were leaving MyDD, I knew I would be following them to wherever they were going. I thought they were full of wild and crazy ideas, but ones that could be implemented.

They knew that principles mattered because they set the course of events.  Principles told you when you were veering off course.  

My identifier on this site was this quote from a Matt Stoller piece during the 2008 election cycle


"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"

I have been doing politics in different ways at different levels for many years. From being one of the founders of the first women's "liberation" group in Boston, to marching in the streets against war and for equality, to helping to make films about the history of the left and its repression in America, to being involved organizationally with the abortion rights movement.  Being a liberal, one who thought we should be loud about our liberalism....Well, it was often a very lonely place for an unreconstructed liberal like me.

You know that hackneyed phrase.  "I haven't changed, I haven't left the Demcoratic party, the Democratic party left me,"?  It is always used by right wingers to justify themselves...for whatever heinous betrayal of principles they have just engaged in. However for me, it's also true.  I haven't changed, I am just the liberal I always was. It's just that the Democratic party has become less so.  However, I keep refusing to accept that that is to be the final outcome, a constant drift rightward.  So I try mightily to pull it back to where it once was

The community on the internet and on the blogs, alleviated that sense of loneliness.  Actually it made me realize I wasn't the only one who was crazy.  Crazy for freedom and equality and all those words everyone uses and abuses. To me the truest and most fundamental expression of freedom and equality are to be found in that space known as progressivism now and liberalism then.  

Matt was very right about the dangers of incrementalism.  If the arc of change is too long and too curvy, it gets diverted from its final object. Diverted by corruption, diverted by fatigue, diverted by a misplaced sense of comity, diverted by money and the distortion in power that money creates, and diverted by the idea that if change doesn't come now it will come later.  Well it may, but it won't,  by then be the change that is needed and that we liberals have fought for. It won;t be the change people NEED.  The more it gets diverted, the less power real people have to make the change that is best for themselves.  It is a downward spiral instead of an upward one. Patience is not always a virtue.

FDR made big change and he made it fast. It has had a lasting effect.  We are still trying to fill in the gaps in the vision he brought for.

I want to thank Matt and Chris for the oppurtunity they gave me to write for this wonderful blog. When Matt asked me to write here, I replied I wasn;t a good enough writer.  But he said I stuff to write about, that I was passionate about...so I did.  I hope I got better.  

I want to thank Paul Rosenberg for all his wonderful posts and the help he has extended to me since he's been editor.  And to Mike Lux for being himself, smart, left but centered.  And to Adam Bink for being himself as well and fixing my techno screw ups. ( Adam say hi to your mom for me)

I have been asked to write about abortion, choice and women at Crooks and Liars.  I am thrilled to do so.

And I want to thank my colleagues here at Open Left when we won the Pub Quiz at Netroots Nation when we were in Pittsburgh in 2009. I never had more fun at a conference in my life.  Maybe that's why John asked me to write for C&L!

To the commenters on this site, I want to say that this is smartest, most insightful and most courteous group of commenters on the internet. I thank you for letting me write for you.  

debcoop :: Goodbye isn't a very good title because I hope it won't be.

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Thank you for what you contributed! (4.00 / 7)
Very much appreciated. And I'm glad to read you found a new virtual home. The fight for real change goes on!

Thank you (4.00 / 4)
You have been a wonderful commenter.  I have always marvelled at how civilized and smart everyone who comes here is.  Especially during the primary wars it was great to have a place that one we all knew were in this together and two that meant we treated each other with respect and openness.


"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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Too much honor, really! (4.00 / 3)
Thx for the nice words, but we all know I could be a pain in the a**, too, occasionally. But the occasions where one or the other of us here made a stand against the majority opinion also showed the especial strength of OpenLeft: That this was allowed, that such opposing thoughts weren't flamed, and that this didn't result in cabals that put loyalty over strength of argument. Imho OL was the leader of the blogosphere in discussions that actually increased the insights of commenters and readers. Second to none! And to see this go to waste, as if reasonable discussions have gone out of fashion, is devastating. A tragedy.

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thank you for your writing (4.00 / 7)
you helped made OL a very special place

Matt was very right about the dangers of incrementalism.  If the arc of change is too long and too curvy, it gets diverted from its final object. Diverted by corruption, diverted by fatigue, diverted by a misplaced sense of comity, diverted by money and the distortion in power that money creates, and diverted by the idea that if change doesn't come now it will come later.  Well it may, but it won't,  by then be the change that is needed and that we liberals have fought for. It won;t be the change people NEED.  The more it gets diverted, the less power real people have to make the change that is best for themselves.  It is a downward spiral instead of an upward one. Patience is not always a virtue.

beautifully said.

ps. this afternoon I'm feeling like someone punched me in the stomach. I'll miss the OL posts so much.

no keith olbermann either...  


ps. glad to hear you have a new place (4.00 / 2)
just visited and removed the c&l domain from my adblock list!

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thank you....I'm feeling teary myself (4.00 / 3)


"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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Me, too. (4.00 / 1)
Fighting tears since I read the news. Damn.

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sniffle (4.00 / 1)
I do have a twitter account I don't use much...might use more now.  

debcoop2000

I just have this all too common a name.  Actually another me just lives a block away.

As I said to Sadie, I might even eventually join Facebook.  But its bigness and its attempts to own and control just put me off.  

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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Followed! (0.00 / 0)
Good to have a way to stay in touch. Thank you, Debbie! xox

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don't it always go to show... you don't know what you've got 'till it's gone... (4.00 / 4)
pave paradise, and put up a parking lot...

I first got active in politics around 2004. I mostly took the good parts of the Clinton years for granted. And then, when I saw the 2000 "election", I just accepted the idea that it was a close race but that Bush had won. (I see it much differently now...)
Then 9/11 happened, and for a brief time I actually approved of Bush.
But then I started to dislike Bush more and more.
I hated the way he squandered the Clinton surplus (a surplus! the first one in decades!), and turned it into the Bush deficit, just to give huge undeserved tax cuts to his oligarch friends. I hated the way Bush just kept repeating his claim that Saddam had WMD's and that America would find them, even as it became more and more clear that Saddam never had WMD's. And so, by 2004, I was fired up and ready for change.
I drove back and forth from NY to volunteer for Kerry in PA. But in the end, Bush got a second term.

I forget, now, exactly when and how I came across OpenLeft. I think it was in the early part of 2008. I later joined MoveOn.org and began reading DailyKos and the HuffingtonPost. I began spending more time talking politics on FaceBook, because I wanted to reach out to moderates instead of being inside an echo chamber.

But even as I drifted away from OpenLeft, and spent more and more of my time elsewhere, I always assumed that OpenLeft would remain... well... "open". If I had only known that OpenLeft would close before the 2012 election, I would have visited every weekend...

So, to all the great Progressive voices at OpenLeft, I say a sad goodbye. I hope to see you at DailyKos, and elsewhere...

Progress and Brotherhood, my friends, Progress and Brotherhood

Luke 12:48 "to whom much is given, of him shall much be required". Would Jesus want progressive taxation, or regressive taxation?


Best of luck to you at C&L. (4.00 / 4)
I like the front pagers a lot and so read them with real frequency, but especially Neiwert, who I've been reading for a long, long time, going back to Orcinus.

You'll be a good fit on the Front Page and you'll also raise the collective IQ of the place at least a few points.

Best to you. You're too good to disappear.

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


ooooohhh (4.00 / 2)
If I keep this up, my keyboard is going to get soaked.

Sadly when it comes to abortion, women and choice there will be a lot to write about.  There is a hearing on HR#3 on Tuesday the 8th and on Wednesday, another deliberately inflammatory, diversionary, bright shiny object called HR 358 will have a hearing on Wednesday.

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/...

It's has that 1984ish title "Protect Life Act"

I intend to write about both at C&L.

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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second (4.00 / 2)
maybe you can bring a true progressive voice to that place

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I set up a new email for people to contact me (0.00 / 0)
debcoop2000@gmail.com

hope this posts

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


HELLO! (3.60 / 5)
it is not acceptable that this 'club' dissolves - and IF it is only about 'money' - the problem is easy to resolve. I am willing to spent 30$ a month for 'the progressive company' of the people I met here.
So we only need another 150? people who are willing to spent the same amount. There are over a hundred posters here who want to stick together - and I realize some might not have the money - so let's find a way -(as anonymous once wrote) - to get the dough.

Let's organize it like a real company. The 30$ are 'shares' - an investment in a site which soon will show all the other lefty sites what's what. To start - we need a headliner - I vote for Paul. He draws a salery. We then need as strong as a particpation as the reaction to the closing of Open Left. That shouldn't be a problem because with having a 'share' - everybody will be much more involved (in creating a interesting site - finding more shareholders etc etc)

Blogging as usual will not be enough - So we also have to get more into problem solving and act more like a 'think tank' -(even if we hate the word) - Huff is pretty clever and -(for example)- by helping 'people' - to think through the dilemma with their 'underwater houses' they helped themselves for example creating lots of 'traffic'.
That doesn't mean we should be into 'traffic' - I always loved the idea of a small 'elitist thinking blog' - where (after a while) - people (hopefully) will beg to become a member -(and if they can afford it - pay much more than a 30$) -    

So it's very easy - and entirely up to y'all!
We just need about 150 'club members -(cancel the membership of your dogclub instead) - and then we will be able (again) to discuss all kind of things and I can bitch about it -(I need that!)
For example - I am very curious lately - if you can get rid of a dictator without doing so much damage to (ourselves) - 'the people' - and so I take the 'freedom' to post this suggestion on all these ByeBye posts -
Make it fly???      


Isla Edouard (0.00 / 0)
I ignore, now, exactly when and how I came across OpenLeft. I think it was in the beginning aspect of 2008. I later signed up with MoveOn.org and started studying DailyKos and the HuffingtonPost. I started investing a longer period discussing state policies on FaceBook, because I desired to achieve out to moderates instead of being within an replicate area.

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