The Mutual Distrust Of Insider and Outside Rebellions

by: Chris Bowers

Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 15:23


I have spent a decent amount of the past day trying to figure out why the New York Times magazine article on Obama that I discussed yesterday bothered me so much. Although still disturbed, I am much less bothered by it now--and even a little excited--after I noticed a real connection between two key passages. First, from the article itself:

In mainstream foreign-policy circles, Barack Obama is seen as the true bearer of this vision. "There are maybe 200 people on the Democratic side who think about foreign policy for a living," as one such figure, himself unaffiliated with a campaign, estimates. "The vast majority have thrown in their lot with Obama"… [D]rill down into one of Washington's foreign-policy hives, whether the Carnegie Endowment or the Brookings Institution or Georgetown University, and you're bound to hit Obama supporters.

Second, from Matthew Yglesias, discussing the article:

And it's important to recall that this hawk/dove split and the elite/rank-and-file split have some causal interaction. Back in 2002, the Democratic establishment found itself trapped in this vicious cycle. Most rank-and-file members of congress were ready to oppose the war. But the leadership in the House and the Senate was backing it. And the campaign committees were advising challengers and vulnerable members to back it. And the conventional wisdom said that anyone who wanted to be elected president had to back it. And so were most of the media celebrities focusing on foreign policy - Holbrooke and Albright and Pollack and O'Hanlon.

My current hypothesis is as follows: for the rank and file of professional, progressive foreign policy types who were opposed to the Iraq war from the start, the Obama campaign is the equivalent of the 2002 Nancy Pelosi leadership, 2003 Howard Dean presidential, and 2006 Ned Lamont Senate campaigns were for much of the activist rank and file. However, while this rebellion is analogous to those earlier rebellions of an anti-war rank and file against a pro-leadership, the cultural gap between wonks and hacks, between insiders and outsiders, and between professionals and the grassroots have prevented it from gaining the same traction as those earlier campaigns.

I try to flesh out this hypothesis in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: The Mutual Distrust Of Insider and Outside Rebellions
The hawk / dove and elite / rank and file casual connection that Yglesias points out seems to have been replicated in virtually every area of the Democratic ecosystem. First, by a margin of 148-110, the majority of Democrats in Congress were opposed to the war (see here and here), but the leadership, generally speaking, was not. However, rank and file members of Congress had their opportunity to take out their frustration at this situation many years ago by replacing their pro-leadership with the anti-war Nancy Pelosi in late 2002. Also, by a margin of between 10-15%, the Democratic rank and file was opposed to the war in late 2002, but, generally speaking, our Presidential candidates in 2003 were not. Once again, activists had the Howard Dean campaign as a means of scaring the pro-war Democratic leadership enough that they were forced to change at least their rhetoric, and start sounding more anti-war. The same pattern happen again in 2006 over Iraq withdrawal and anti-war campaign messaging with Ned Lamont.

Like the Democratic activist and Congressional rank and file, it now appears that anti-war foreign policy wonks were also in majority opposition to the Iraq war, but their leadership at places like the Carnegie Endowment and Brookings Institution were in favor of it.  As far as the rank and file wonks are concerned, why else would so many wonks be flocking to the Obama campaign? As far as the wonk leadership is considered, consider, for example, the extreme pro-war cheerleading of O'Hanlon and Pollack of the Brookings Institution, and that O'Hanlon and Pollack are still the public face of Iraq policy at Brookings. Consider also this great document on Iraq put out by the Carnegie Institution in late 2002:

This proposal identifies a middle ground between the two existing approaches to Iraq: continue to do nothing, or pursue an overthrow of Saddam Hussein. In the lead chapter of the report, Carnegie president Jessica T. Mathews proposes "coercive inspections" in which a multinational military force created by the UN Security Council would enable international inspections teams to operate effectively in Iraq. The U.S. would forswear unilateral military action against Iraq as long as inspections worked unhindered. This "comply or else" tactic would place the burden of choosing war squarely on Saddam Hussein.

"Comply or else." Bask in some more great anti-war thought emanating from Carnegie in January 2003 (PDF)

American televisions are filled with war rooms, countdowns, deadlines, and showdowns with Iraq. The almost minute by minute coverage distorts public understanding of how inspections work and creates a false sense of the inevitability of war. No decision has in fact been made. Within the administration some indeed intend the buildup as the prelude to war while for others it presents the credible threat of war that is necessary to compel Iraq's disarmament through inspections.(…)

Early in October 2002, the administration explicitly shifted its preferred outcome from regime change through war to disarmament through inspections. The policy shift was signaled at several levels, including by then Senate minority leader Trent Lott 2 and by Secretary of State Colin Powell.3 In Cincinnati, Ohio, on October 7, President Bush said that war was neither imminent nor unavoidable as long as Saddam agreed to disarm. The president has repeatedly called war a "last resort" to be used if all else fails. On December 31 in Crawford, Texas, he snapped at a reporter who said the country was headed to war with Iraq. "I don't know why you say that…I hope we're not headed to war in Iraq. I'm the person who gets to decide, not you."

The leadership at Brookings and Carnegie were carrying water for Bush on Iraq in much the same way that the Democratic Congressional leadership did in 2002, that most Democratic Presidential candidates did in 2003, and that Joe Lieberman has never stopped doing. That is to say, they supported the war in opposition to the majority of their own rank and file. That the majority of professional, progressive foreign policy types are flocking to Obama is evidence of this. For these wonks, the Obama campaign is the equivalent of Nancy Pelosi's late 2002 victory over Martin Frost among rank and file members of the House who were upset with the war support coming from the leadership. It is the equivalent of Howard Dean's rise to prominence for progressive activists upset with an entire top tier of pro-war Democratic candidates in 2003. It is the equivalent of kicking Joe Lieberman out of the party and forcing Democrats to run on Iraq withdrawal in 2006. The Obama campaign appears to be the long-delayed, wonky rebellion against the pro-war foreign policy institutional leadership on the Democratic side.

This is basically a positive development. A rank and file foreign policy wonk rebellion against their institutional masters is long overdue. I freely admit to not even recognizing that this was a possibility until pretty much the last twenty-four hours, as I had always envisioned nearly universal support for the Iraq war among Democratic foreign-policy wonk types. As I saw it, the entire wonk operation was on the "elite" side of the "elite / rank and file" divide that also ended up as a "hawk / dove" divide within the Democratic ecosystem on Iraq. This general distrust of wonks is, I believe, shared by wonks when it comes to their opinion of hacks and grassroots activists such as myself. Something inside of me wants to see them all as elitist suck-ups to establishment power with their fingers in the wind, just as we are often viewed as an unwashed and undifferentiated horde of dirty fucking hippies. You can still see this general distrust in the way Obama often talks of the left, setting up strawmen on seculars and anti-war activists even as he received significant early support from those groups.

"The Democrats have been stuck in the arguments of Vietnam," he said to me on the campaign plane, "which means that either you're a Scoop Jackson Democrat or you're a Tom Hayden Democrat and you're suspicious of any military action. And that's just not my framework."

This, I think, is one of the major problems facing the Obama campaign. It has become, primarily, a rebellion against the establishment carried out in the language of, and by the people of, the establishment itself. This is why he is receiving the majority of policy wonk support, but losing significant ground within the same demographics that were the early supporters of not only his campaign, but of the Howard Dean and Ned Lamont campaigns as well. It isn't a policy gap so much as a cultural one. The language of left-wing strawmen and bi-partisan unity appeals to wonks instead of hacks, and to insider professionals instead of the outsider grassroots. This mutual distrust runs so deep, that among many people I know, including myself, the love Obama currently receives from the rank and file of the establishment has actually served as one of the main reasons to not support him.

How do we bridge this cultural gap and build a more unified progressive front? I really don't know. I agree with Mike Lux when he has repeatedly argued that the most successful periods of progressive governance have always been when the grassroots, populist agitation groups were able to work with enough establishment elements to forge real legislative change. As such, it is certainly a sign of a dysfunctional political ecosystem when a progressive establishment rebellion actually turns off the grassroots in large numbers, as evidence by the shift in Obama's support in the recent Pew poll. Even if it doesn't happen in the 2008 primaries, this is a gap that we need to overcome. Indeed, overcoming that gap was one of the founding missions of this very website. Maybe it would be a step in the right direction if people such as myself stopped assuming that all Democratic foreign policy types are finger-in-wind suck-ups to power, and if the establishment stopped using the language of left-wing strawmen to describe us. If we can't get past the invectives that rest at the heart of our preconceptions about one another, then it seems highly unlikely we will every be able to reach the final step of a progressive governing majority. What happens in between those stages is still much more of a mystery to me.

Now, if you will excuse me, I have to go canvass my 90% Democratic neighborhood as part of my duties as local dirty fucking hippie drum circle leader precinct captain. I'll think about this some more in so doing.


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You sure? (0.00 / 0)
"This general distrust of wonks is, I believe, shared by wonks when it comes to their opinion of hacks and grassroots activists such as myself. Something inside of me wants to see them all as elitist suck-ups to establishment power with their fingers in the wind, just as we are often viewed as an unwashed and undifferentiated horde of dirty fucking hippies. You can still see this general distrust in the way Obama often talks of the left, setting up strawmen on seculars and anti-war activists even as he received significant early support from those groups."

What you believe may be true, but afaict it's not based on any evidence, since you've just told us you know nothing about foreign policy wonks. Obama's general approach to politics and rhetoric is unlikely to be influenced by his foreign policy advisors.


Well (0.00 / 0)
In the specific case of Daalder, maybe we have some circumstantial evidence you're at least partly right. :) But still.

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I meant it as part and parcel (0.00 / 0)
"Obama's general approach to politics and rhetoric is unlikely to be influenced by his foreign policy advisors."

The attraction that Obama holds for that group would be at least partially based on the same language that turns people like me off. Perhaps the left wing strawman language is attractive to them.

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Perhaps (0.00 / 0)
I think it's because Obama's the only candidate who was against the war from the start, that he's not Clinton, that he's more interested in foreign policy than Edwards, that they may have seen it as a two person race (foreign policy wonks aren't necessarily knowledgeable about electoral politics.)

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that all seems reasonable (0.00 / 0)
It is just a hypothesis, and I'm still thinking more about this.

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not sure (4.00 / 2)
How do we bridge this cultural gap and build a more unified progressive front?

I don't believe that there's really a 'rebellion' among these people, and I don't think they actually share our values.  Their overall contempt for politics and the public is remarkable.  Remember this line from Obama?

I believe that the single most important job of any President is to protect the American people.

We'll have to elevate our own establishment types, like Matthew Yglesias and Scott Paul.  The Village is a very very sick culture.


Rebellion might not be the most accurate word (0.00 / 0)
But that they are turning, seemingly en masse, for Obama largely along the lines of people who were opposed to the war before it began needs to be characterized in some way. I think there might be some pent up institutional frustration and he represents the different course they would like to take and have taken in the past.

It strikes me as an internal power struggle where both sides hold the same contempt you describe. But I admit that is purely conjecture from an outside perspective based on deduction for why they are supporting Obama en masse. 

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values (0.00 / 0)
and I should say, on the values front, that no, they don't share our values. But they are different from their leaders, and are closer to us than their leaders. In the interim of replacing them, supporting the anti-war faction seems like a short-term fix.

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Look at the action of the Obama team (4.00 / 1)
I don't find Yglesias's analysis very persuasive.  They may have been "right" in 2002.  But when you add up the actions, positions and language of the Obama campaign it doesn't seem to amount for much.  He's barely to the left of Clinton on Iraq, and Edwards, with fewer Villagers on his team has been much more bold.

  * Edwards has rejected the GWOT idea, Obama has accepted it.
  * Edwards has rejected the training farce in Iraq, Obama has not.
  * Edwards has lead on Iran, Obama co-sponsored a bill to declare a part of a foreign government a terrorist organization (the Revolutionary Guard) for the first time in US history and knowingly missed Kyl-Lieberman.
  * Edwards also proposed a formal multi-lateral organization to counter terrorism, CITO, Obama has no similarly innovative counter terror proposals.

Admittedly if you're measuring against Clinton, that's a different animal.

(I've cut and paste this around, but I think MY is leading people in a fallacious direction.  The resumes of these people can be great, but if they aren't producing on the campaign trail, they won't in the White House)


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Things must look very different from.... (0.00 / 0)
your perch Matt than they do here. No one here, West Coast, would dream of characterizing Miss Nancy as anti-war either in 2002 or more clearly seen now.

You say:

...the Howard Dean campaign as a means of scaring the pro-war Democratic leadership enough that they were forced to change at least their rhetoric, and start sounding more anti-war. The same pattern happen again in 2006 over Iraq withdrawal and anti-war campaign messaging with Ned Lamont.

And I agree. Further, the exact same thing is happening now. Under the 'leadership' of The Rabbit and Miss Nancy Democrats in the House and thanks to 'Sellout' Reid are pursuing policy which makes a repeat of 2002 seem very likely. The big question is...

Why.

In various posts you and Chris seem to imply that it's fear of the right. Well, you are closer to the folks involved so I go give your opinions a lot of weight but....

I do think that two other things are playing out here as well:

Stupidity.

Corruption.

In studying the clips and transcripts of Pelosi, Emmanuel and Reid I see a set of not very bright people who really don't know what they should be doing now that they have the ability to do more than whine. For example: Why did Pelosi change the rules of the House to allow the Republicans to screw with the political process as they have done? Not a smart move.

Why is Emmanuel still insisting that the war cannot be used to win against Republicans? Why is Jerry McNerney now advocating repeal of the Estate Tax?

Answer: Money.

They've been bought plain and simple and I would hope that the progressive movement would start to use this fact to remove some of these folks.

At the least we should be educating ourselves, as Jane at FDL has started to do, as to the role the two reasons I'm giving are playing here.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


No one on the West Coast? (0.00 / 0)
If "no one" on the West Coast would dream of characterizing Nancy Pelosi as anti-war, then why does she keep getting re-elected with around 85% in a heavily anti-war district?

And if opposing the war in 2002 isn't enough to have been anti-war in 2002, then what standard should be used?

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The answer to you question is very simple... (0.00 / 0)
..many activists and almost all low-info Democratic voters here took her at her word. The believed her when she said she wanted to 'end the war...'. They could not believe that she would lie about this.

The 'standard' that should be used is one of action not talk. Especially talk which can now be characterized as I have here and elsewhere as lies.

I'm not saying that your characterization of her was 'wrong'. At the time it was reasonable. I didn't believe her but so what. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. No more. The language now used to describe her in my, admittedly activist circles, is angry and dismissive. Even folks who are not active whom I mention her to are disgusted.

There's going to be a big backlash against her and her talk which dismisses the concerns of the rank and file Democratic base. Of Americans in general.

I do not look for the Democrats to have the success they are taking for granted in 2008. Does not look that way from here in what should be the heart of the progressive movement.

Evangelicals are not the only ones who can stay home.

Always a  pleasure to come here and at least attempt to have a conversation by the way. Hope I've expressed my admittedly speculative ideas clearly.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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I Don't Think It's Fair Or Accurate To Say Pelosi Isn't Anti-War (4.00 / 3)
I think Pelosi's problem is lack of imagination, which is why I'm writing the diary series I'm working on.  She is playing within the rules, and can't imagine breaking out of them as a positive step, rather than one that only further degrades our democratic institutions.

I am just as frustrated with her as you are.  But a different diagnosis of why she is acting that way leads to a different strategy of what to do about it.

It is very important not to lump people together when there are important differences.  The understanding of those differences is the key to bringing different factions around to your position, and circumventing others.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Pelosi will be re-elected til she dies (4.00 / 1)
because the district is so Democratic that the only question in elections is whether some leftist or Green will exceed the Republican percentage of the vote (around 12 percent.)

Moreover, like most districts, having "the leader" in office warms the hearts of the both the local business types and the dirty hippie antiwar types. This is a very powerful incentive not to challenge her locally. One hears "I'm so proud of Nancy" completely divorced from anything she does.

I tried to encourage a primary challenge to Nancy in 2006 on the war (when it would have mattered more than now) but the plausible antiwar leaders wouldn't jump. They wouldn't have won, obviously, but they sure could have stirred the pot here.

Can it happen here?


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A Larger Story (4.00 / 1)
Chris,
What you are describing has been analyzed in the sociological literature on social movements under the concept of "political opportunity structure." According to one of its main theorists, Sidney Tarrow, "Reform is most likely when challenges from outside the polity provide a political incentive for elites within it to advance their own policies and careers" (Power in Movement, p. 98). The whole of chapters 5 is well worth a read to get a broader context to what you are describing.

Regarding contemporary foreign policy issues, no one may straddle the divide between social movements and the establishment better than Tom Hayden. The most prominent activist in the New Left and a very important activst against the Vietnam War, he later turned to electoral politics in the 1980s and 1990s and was elected and served in the California legislature for 18 years. He may understand better than anyone the inside/outside strategy and what it entails. His book, Ending the War in Iraq, is invaluable in this regard, especially chapters 1, 3, and 4.

The nuclear freeze movement in the 1980s also is very relevant. Arms control supporters were shut out by the rise of the right and President Reagan's opposition to negotiations with the Soviet Union over arms control. When the nuclear freeze came along, this liberal faction of the foreign policy establishment saw it as an opportunity to get back in the ballgame and allied itself with the freeze movement. In turn, this allowed the peace movement to have enough credibility to stop some major weapons systems, to develop a significant lobbying presence on Capitol Hill, and to force the Reagan administration back to the negotiating table. This story is told in David Cortright's book, Peace Works.

I'm sure you don't have much time to read, but I'd urge you to look at least one of these books because this seems to be an enduring theme and concern of yours. It has obvious relevance to the issue of residual forces and why leading presidential candidates still cling to this strategy even though the base clearly wants the war to end. 
 


Excellent Points! (4.00 / 2)
What you say about Tom Hayden is particularly apt, and clashes rather strongly with Obama's ill-informed use of him as a symbol of, I'm not sure exactly what.  (Silly me, I thought the Founding Fathers were "suspicious of any military action," and wrote the Constitution accordingly.)

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

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excellent post (0.00 / 0)
very interesting analysis.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

I Agree--Sort Of (4.00 / 1)
I'm working on a related diary, but it's not going to be done for at least a couple of hours, maybe not till tomorrow.  So I just want to weigh in with my big idea: there's no there there.  Obama doesn't have an alternative vision, which is why he's only marginally more progressive than Clinton, and has been outflanked by Edwards (on rejecting the "war on terror" frame) and Richardson (on no residual troops).

In the diary, criticizing Obama is just a device.  The point will be to illuminate what an alternative vision might look like.  But it should be quite clear that for someone touting himself as an agent of sweeping change, he has offered suprisingly small beer. 

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


Certainly there is SOME dissension in the ranks (0.00 / 0)
Through a strange personal coincidence, I know a retired middle east expert from way inside the establishment. He says, and I quote "We TOLD them, but they wouldn't listen".

I'm absolutely confident that there are plenty of other analysts, experts, advisors, or whatever like my acquaintance who are strongly opposed to the present US policies. I suspect that they feel powerless or caught up in the machine: "Do I speak up and lose my job, or do I try to steer things in a better direction?"

What I find most interesting in your analysis is the idea that the leaders of these think tanks would be so compromised with the war faction. This must be related to the positions of the Democratic Party foreign policy alliances.

But even here, I'm not sure the leaders (Dem or think-tank) are necessarily pro-war in the ideological sense. I think they are afraid of making a political mistake, so they are stuck basing their positions on political calculations. It is a strange sort of group-think, like the way a non-profit board seems to inevitably make bad decisions in crisis situations; they are overcome by decision paralysis. Consensus, compromise and calculation sucks away any tendencies to conviction and leadership.

Dissent from within the establishment can blossom into real opposition, but it requires a leader who makes it safe to step forward. A whistle blower would be stupid or suicidal to step forward prematurely without some assurance of safety.

I'm not sure Obama offers that kind of safety. In fact, he is so fresh to the national scene, that he is likely the lowest choice a cautious dissident would have confidence in. His vote against Iraq authorization is a pretty slim straw to hang on.

Why wouldn't they prefer Richardson, or Edwards who have stronger establishment credentials than Obama?


Good points (4.00 / 1)
Once we shed this instutional mistrust, we can all start judging policy positions by their merits rather than by their sources.

For instance, at most progressive blogs, any DLC idea is slammed because it comes from the DLC. Not because the critic has actually read the policy and found the entire thing lacking. 

As someone who works in product development, I have found success by *building on* ideas, not turning them away. We ask: What makes sense about this idea? How can we improve or build on it? By inviting new thinking, we get better solutions. For instance, we don't exclude the finance dept because they are too money-conscious, we include them because their perspective matters to the success of the product.

If "good policy" is the final product, we need to stop insulting and excluding people who bring important insights to policy-making.

Ultimately, however, it's up to the leader to sort through those ideas and choose the best course of action. Obama has been struggling with this, as you point out.

This comment from Obama is telling:

"The Democrats have been stuck in the arguments of Vietnam," he said to me on the campaign plane, "which means that either you're a Scoop Jackson Democrat or you're a Tom Hayden Democrat and you're suspicious of any military action. And that's just not my framework."

This is institutional mistrust. Next time you speak to Obama, remind him that Democrats are not suspicious of *any* military action, just misplaced military action. Vietnam was a disaster. So is Iraq. Democrats were/are right in opposing those wars.

Remind him that Democrats under Franklin Roosevelt led the defeat of the most powerful military machines in the world. As a Democrat, I take pride in that.

I don't think our military needs to be 5 times the size of China's and Russia's combined, but we do need to be able to defend ourselves. And if we can offer security to protect huminatarian efforts, then all the better -- we all benefit from that. But I'm not suspicious of *any* military action, just lame-brained military action.

As Sun-Tzu writes in The Art of War: "Those unable to understand the dangers inherent in employing troops, are equally unable to understand the advantageous ways of doing so." And this: "To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill."

If Obama doesn't understand that Democrats want sound military policy, then he's probably been having too many dinners with AIPAC and the neocons, and he's bound to choose the wrong policy positions.


I Halfway Agree--And Halfway Don't (4.00 / 1)
My take is a bit different, and goes back to the founding of our nation.  I would argue that our constitutional order is based on an institutionalized suspicion of any military action.

To be suspicious is not to be irretrievably opposed, of course, and this a distinction that is easily lost, especially among the testosterone-poisoned warmonger set, and those whose thinking has been poisoned by them.  But our founding fathers build on a long history of British parliamentary opposition to war-happy kings.  While they recognized the need for a unified command in war, and the need for that command to be civilian--in order to guard against the possibile emergence of a military tyrant--they also saw the need for a broadly-constituted restraint on going to war in the first place.  That is why (a) Congress alone has the power to declare war, (b) Congress has the power to fund all military spending, and must do so on a continually-renewed basis (each new 2-year seating of the House of Representatives can fund the military for only 2 years), (c) states have the power to organize and arm militias (the real original intent of the 2nd Amendment) so that the need for a standing army is reduced.

Of course the ultimate concern was with the tendency toward tyranny, but suspicion of military action was closely tied to this concern, since the lessons of history clearly showed a close relationship between military adventurism and the rise of tyranny--both in ancient Greece and Rome, and in the history of England as well.

Thus, while it's certainly true that the Democratic wing of the Democratic party is particularly suspicious of knee-jerk interventionism, it draws on a much more general suspicion of military action that is both entirely justified, and 100% American.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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good post (0.00 / 0)
From my vantage point: the dem leadership made a serious mis-calculation by voting for the war. It was the upper echelon of the dem party--the entrenched traditionalists, that insisted on joining the path to war. I believe there will be political consequences for those decisions.  It is a process that is well underway.

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