Introducing the Rove Dogs

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 14:08


In 1992, Latinos and Asians made up only 3% of the national electorate. That year, Bill Clinton won the combined Latinos and Asian vote by a margin of 51%-35%, with the rest choosing Ross Perot. By 2006, Latinos and Asians combined to make up 10% of the national electorate, and Democrats won that vote by the much larger margin of 68%-31%. That shift, in and of itself, moved the entire national electorate more than 3% in favor of Democrats nationwide in just 14 years. Few things can cause such a rapid, nearly permanent structural shift in the electorate in favor of one party, but Republican demonization of a rapidly growing sector of the electorate has certainly done the trick.

So, what Democrats would be willing to throw away these gains, and put unfounded, short-term fears of an electoral backlash against immigration ahead of them? Not the Bush Dogs, who are Democrats that support Bush's agenda, since Bush actually isn't as hard-right on immigration as the rest of his party (perhaps the only instance where he isn't as hard-right). Under long-term advisement from Karl Rove on the subject, Bush knows that alienating a rapidly growing segment of the electorate is a bad idea for the Republican Party. So, instead of calling them Bush Dogs, I think the more appropriate term would be Rove Dogs. The term "Rove Dog" should apply to any Democrat who votes and act in ways that are harmful to the long-term political standing of the Democratic Party, just as Karl Rove would like them to do.

And viola, here we have a major piece of legislation where Rove Dogs are revealing themselves:

North Carolina Democrat Heath Shuler 's new immigration-enforcement bill, cheered by immigration hard-liners and jeered by Hispanic lawmakers, now faces a major roadblock: Rep. Loretta Sanchez , who chairs the Homeland Security Subcommittee on Border, Maritime and Global Counterterrorism.

Sanchez says Shuler, a former pro football player, made a rookie mistake by not consulting with her before he introduced the bill, which is deepening an existing rift between politically vulnerable centrist Democrats and Hispanic members. Homeland Security is one of eight committees to which the bill was referred, but the panel has the lead in dealing with it.

"I would say Heath better come talk to me about it," Sanchez, a California Democrat, told CQ Politics.

A good way to know that this bill will anger Latinos and other groups with large immigrant populations is when Loretta Sanchez, who is actually a Blue Dog herself, objects to it. Here is a list of the Democratic co-sponsors of the bill, and thus also the initial list of Rove Dogs (Bush Dogs in bold, freshman in italics):

(Ala.) Rep. Cramer, (Ala.) Rep. Davis, (Ark.) Rep. Berry, (Ark.) Rep. Ross, (Calif.) Rep. McNerny, (Colo.) Rep. Perlmutter, (Colo.) Rep. Udall, (Fla.) - Rep. Boyd, (Ga.) Rep. Barrow, (Ga.) Rep. Bishop, (Ga.) Rep. Marshall, (Ill.) Rep. Bean, (Ind.) Rep. Donnelly, (Ind.) Rep. Ellsworth, (Ind.) Rep. Hill, (Iowa) Rep. Boswell, (Kan.) Rep. Boyda, (La.) Rep. Melancon, (Mich.) - Rep. Stupak, (Miss.) - Rep. Taylor, (N.H.) - Rep. Hodes, (N.Y.) - Rep. Arcuri, (N.Y.) - Rep. Gillibrand, (N.Y.) - Rep. Higgins, (N.C.) - Rep. McIntyre, (N.C.) - Rep. Shuler *, (Ohio) - Rep. Ryan, (Ohio) - Rep. Space, (Okla.) - Rep. Boren, (Pa.) - Rep. Altmire, (Pa.) - Rep. Carney, (Pa.) - Rep. Holden, (Pa.) - Rep. Kanjorski, (Pa.) - Rep. Murphy, (Pa.) - Rep. Murtha, (Tenn.) - Rep. Cooper, (Tenn.) - Rep. Davis, (Tenn.) - Rep. Gordon, (Tenn.) - Rep. Tanner, (Texas) - Rep. Lampson, (Texas) - Rep. Rodriguez, (Va.) - Rep. Boucher, (Wash.) - Rep. Baird, (honorary Bush Dog), (Wis.) Rep. Kagen

Twenty-three of the forty-four Rove Dogs are also Bush Dogs, while seventeen are freshman (more than half of our freshman who took over Republican held seats). They also include key members of the leadership, such as both Murtha and Rahm Emanuel, who isn't on this list but who is pushing for the bill behind the scenes.  In the Senate, at least Barbara Mikulski is also in favor of this bill, and is urging members to vote for it..
 

These Rove Dogs are undermining positive feedback loops for Democrats and progressives, and any other Democrats who do the same should also earn the Rove Dog label. Given that this vote is called the "SAVE act" here are some other good bills for Heath Shuler and the Rove Dogs to propose that might piss off key members of the Democratic base:

  1. The Save America's Management Act that abolishes collective bargaining rights. Because it would be a good idea for Democrats to eliminate unions, since their members only vote for Democrats 68% of the time
  2. The Save America's Erogenous Zones Act that makes homosexuality a crime punishable by imprisonment. Because it would be a good idea for Democrats to alienate the LGBT population, since they only vote for Democrats 75% of the time.
  3. The Save America's Theocracy Act that requires all citizens to declare Jesus Christ as their savior. Since it would be a good idea for Democrats to alienate non-Christians, since they only represent a growing 14% of the electorate, and vote for Democrats 74% of the time.

Let me close with a question: if someone is both a Bush Dog, and thus undermining the Democratic legislative agenda while abetting the conservative working majority, and a Rove Dog, and thus undermining the long-term potential for Democrats to be elected to office, is it actually a benefit to Democrats to have that person in office? It seems quite possible to me that it is not. If someone's presence in Congress is making it both more difficult for Democrats to pass legislation now, and more difficult to elect Democrats in the future, then such a person seems to be actively undermining Democrats at every turn. Now, with 23 members of Congress fitting this category, at least right now our majority narrowly depends on keeping at least one-third of them in office, at least right now. After we get some more seats in 2008 that probably won't be the case anymore, but right now Democrats need the Rove Dogs who are also Bush Dogs in order to maintain their majority. So, overall, yeah, I guess we do need them.

But let's focus on one person for now, Heath Shuler, who actually is the lead sponsor of this bill along with, of all people, cultural supremacist Tom Tancredo. A smaller Democratic majority that did not have Heath Shuler, and not propose legislation that angers key elements of our base seems as though it would be more effective for long-term Democratic electoral hopes. This should be obvious, since one seat in Congress is far, far less important to Democrats than maintaining a massive advantage within the growing Latino and Asian vote over the long term. It's not even close. And so, while I would certainly never advocate for a Republican to defeat Heath Shuler, I think it can be easily and accurately argued that, as a simple matter of priorities for the Democratic Party, defeating this bill is more important than Heath Shuler's re-election. In a hypothetical scenario where we only have enough resources to accomplish one of these goals, defeating the bill wins over Shuler's re-election every single time. Keeping the positive feedback loops for Democrats and progressive intact is more important than one seat in Congress, or even really a handful of seats in Congress.

Welcome to the scene Rove Dogs. I'll be monitoring your progress as time goes on. One vote isn't enough to make a strict definition, a strict definition, but another move like this and a solid list can be produced. (Oh, and has Ciro Rodriquez sucked in the new Congress, or what? I mean a freshman Latino who is both a Bush Dog and a Rove Dog? Good lord.)

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Well, re: Shuler ... (4.00 / 1)
... it wouldn't be his first time coming to Washington and throwing an interception.

ENDA? (4.00 / 2)
How did the so-called "Rove Dogs" and "Bush Dogs" vote on ENDA?

How did the so-called "Rove Dogs" and "Bush Dogs" vote on Peru?

What are their voting percentages with the AFL-CIO?

It seems to me that this diary and the larger "Bush Dog" campaign may be missing some important texture and context, especially when it comes to labor and economic populism.


[ Parent ]
underlying issues (4.00 / 3)
I think we're dealing with a few problems here:

1) There's a sense, I'm guessing among this crowd, that they're "representing their voters," and to SOME extent that might be true (Rodriguez' presence somewhat baffles me, though I could guess at his rationale, which would get us into some complicated intra-Latino-community nuances on the issue). We need a stronger argument than the reality that they can fight back against this with a broader vision and win a la Tuesday's results. The future-based one is a good start, but even then there needs to be efforts to organize in these districts to show that people WILL have their backs if they change their minds.

2) Among the dead-enders in this crowd, you almost feel helpless, and it makes you realize that there ARE Democrats-- even ostensible liberals/progressives-- out there who think like this. And that even some ostensible "champions of the middle class" like Tester have bought into that vein of thought, and there's a lot of bitterness ALREADY over that among many in the Hispanic community. That's something we need to grapple with as a movement, and it goes beyond simply calling out Rove Dogs and leadership. As I was saying yesterday, rather than focusing on "Lou Dobbs Democrats" we should focus on finding the kind of people who have the gravitas and poltiical talent to take this on and win-- Sherrod Brown stands out as an example to a good extent.

3) THAT ALL SAID, while the leadership and particularly the DCCC don't have to crack the whip on these guys, they should at the very least be encouraging them to think twice about this, let alone ENCOURAGING it. If someone is gonna go off the reservation, let them do so quietly, in a way where maybe they'll get desperately blasted for "not being strong enough" like that conservative Dem state senator in VA who was (unsuccessfully) targeted this fall. But Emanuel really has no damn excuse any more for encouraging stuff like this-- he should know better, and should be thinking about how to move forward and how to keep people from actively promoting this stupid agenda.


Good points (4.00 / 1)
Especially on #2, that it will take actual persuasion to get some people to change their minds on this. Fact is, there are simply a lot of people who think this way, no matter how problematic that is on both a policy level and an electoral level (not to mention a moral level).

Need to push back on the argumentative side of this. And yes, we need champions with gravitas to do so.

[ Parent ]
I think we need to look within the caucus and.... (4.00 / 2)
...help the real progressives there both Hispanic and otherwise to counsel their members. 'Leadership' in the form of Pelosi and Emmanuel have no clue or, more probably, scared of Dodds and his crew of nativist ranters. Or, this is my favorite theory, they're just stupid. Whatever...

The members of the caucus want one thing above all: To be re-elected. After that to be the majority. Neither of these are gonna be achieved with Rep. Shuler's approach. I think that said members shouldbe open to the argument that on this issue 'leadership' has no clue and that they should act in their best interest to make Hispanic voters feel represented.

Be good practice for representing the rest of us as well.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


[ Parent ]
Shock Doctrine (2.67 / 3)
I think the whole anti-immigrant hsyteria is just another edition of the Shock Doctrine. Someone wants to make a lot of money selling us ID cards. It is also and excuse to close the border, to keep us in, not them out.

I would just point out that Gerry Connolley was just reelected Chair of the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors by a landslide by very publicly rejecting anit-immigrant hysteria. There is a lesson there for politicians who are interested.


McNerney? (4.00 / 5)
What the hell is Jerry McNerney doing on this list, given the ethnic makeup of his district?  He is seeming more and more like a dim bulb who doesn't undestand basic politics.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

Indeed (4.00 / 2)
It is embarrassing

[ Parent ]
rec'd this in an e-mail from the NC State party today (4.00 / 1)
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Congressman Heath Shuler Sponsors Border Enforcement Bill

Congressman Heath Shuler recently sponsored a bipartisan bill that limits illegal immigration by emposing employer sanctions.

The Secure America with Verification and Enforcement (SAVE) Act focuses on three areas: employment enforcement, interior enforcement and increased border security.

It also mandates that employers check the legal status of employees through the E-Verify program and closes loopholes that allow illegal immigrants to use the same Social Security number. Agencies like Homeland Security, the Social Security Administration, and the IRS would have to share information.

The bill also calls for 8,000 more agents to patrol the border and expanding the investigating abilities of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

At least 42 Democrats and 36 Republicans have signed on to the bill. Democratic Congressman Mike McIntyre and Congressional Candidate Larry Kissell expressed public support for the bill.
----------------------------------------------------------

Unbelievably bad judgement in my opinion to sponsor, endorse or have anything to do with an enforcement only bill.


Did you read the Bill? (0.00 / 0)


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I understand your problem with the KR's frame, but did you read the
bill?

Here is a full summary that I found   href="http://www.numbersusa.com/PDFs/SAVEActSBS.pdf">here.

CQ had a briefer summary:
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  id="printableContent">Shuler wants to increase the number of
border patrol agents by 8,000 by 2012, improve border surveillance,
make employee verification mandatory for employers, and enhance
law-enforcement capabilities for cracking down on illegal immigrants
who are already in the country. Sanchez says existing laws take care of
much of what Shuler aims to do but that they have not been enforced by
the Bush administration.


Whether you want to believe it or not average Americans feel the
federal government has failed to secure the borders. SAVE isn't a
deportation bill.   style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">It simply
enforces existing law.   While it starts with
increase border security, it cuts off the employment opportunities to
undocumented workers.  

Now, ask
yourself, "Who doesn't want to enforce existing law?" Big Business. The
current illegal immigration system works against both the immigrants
and American workers.
Big business want "comprehensive reform" that includes a guest worker
program.

A guest worker program would privatizes America’s immigration
policy, allowing large businesses to bring in, and kick out, immigrants
based on their profits.  Instead of melting into American
society these "guest workers" will remain isolated in ghettos, never
learning English, never living the American dream.

The guest worker program also turns "outsourcing" on its head.
 Instead
of shipping American jobs overseas, the "guest worker" program will
import large numbers of cheap, exploitable labor.

This is seems to be a sensible bill that would appeal to a large
segement of the electorate.  Read this excerpt from Democracy
Corps
latest   href="http://democracycorps.com/reports/analyses/Democracy_Corps_October_30_2007_Memo.pdf">memo
[pdf].

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When
we asked about the issues that have taken America off track, we can see
the scope of the grievances that drive the change and that will require
Democrats to grapple more fully with the discontent in the country. . .
.
 
  For
independents,

the top issue underlying the discontent is ‘our
borders’ having been
‘left unprotected and illegal immigration’ growing
– cited by 40
percent, with no other issue a close second.








Fighting for Texas families

2006,2008 Nominee for US Congress, TX 4th


Sorry html formatting working in preview :( (0.00 / 0)
Here is the text without fancy formating.

I understand your problem with the KR's frame, but did you read the bill?

Here is a full summary that I found here.http://www.numbersus...

CQ had a briefer summary:

Shuler wants to increase the number of border patrol agents by 8,000 by 2012, improve border surveillance, make employee verification mandatory for employers, and enhance law-enforcement capabilities for cracking down on illegal immigrants who are already in the country. Sanchez says existing laws take care of much of what Shuler aims to do but that they have not been enforced by the Bush administration.

Whether you want to believe it or not average Americans feel the federal government has failed to secure the borders. SAVE isn't a deportation bill. It simply enforces existing law.  While it starts with increase border security, it cuts off the employment opportunities to undocumented workers. 

Now, ask yourself, "Who doesn't want to enforce existing law?" Big Business. The current illegal immigration system works against both the immigrants and American workers. Big business want "comprehensive reform" that includes a guest worker program.

A guest worker program would privatizes America's immigration policy, allowing large businesses to bring in, and kick out, immigrants based on their profits.  Instead of melting into American society these "guest workers" will remain isolated in ghettos, never learning English, never living the American dream.

The guest worker program also turns "outsourcing" on its head.  Instead of shipping American jobs overseas, the "guest worker" program will import large numbers of cheap, exploitable labor.

This is seems to be a sensible bill that would appeal to a large segement of the electorate.  Read this excerpt from Democracy Corps latest memo [pdf]. http://democracycorp...

When we asked about the issues that have taken America off track, we can see the scope of the grievances that drive the change and that will require Democrats to grapple more fully with the discontent in the country. . . .

For independents, the top issue underlying the discontent is 'our borders' having been 'left unprotected and illegal immigration' growing - cited by 40 percent, with no other issue a close second.



Fighting for Texas families

2006,2008 Nominee for US Congress, TX 4th


[ Parent ]
Problem is that it doesn't address the rest of the issue (4.00 / 3)
Immigration is one of those issues that can only be settled with some sort of compromise.  This bill deals with half of the problem, but does not address what to do with the ~12 million undocumented people that are already here, or the American-born children of undocumented parents, let alone the inequality in Mexico that feeds immigration.  That's why Chris characterized it as an "enforcement only" bill. Peel off the easy votes and then nothing gets done on the rest of the problem.  Moreover, it feeds into the "brown hordes" nativist language that has been so devastating to the GOP among Latinos while ignoring that there really isn't a major backlash waiting for Dems who want to solve problems in a mroe inclusive fashion.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

[ Parent ]
sorry (0.00 / 0)
I was making almost the same points when you posted your reply. We're in agreement here!

[ Parent ]
The American people simply don't trust the government. (0.00 / 0)
The immigration compromise of the 1986 addressed the "whole issue."  The deal struck called for amnesty in exchange for work place enforcement.  http://en.wikipedia....
America voters were told this would "fix" the "problem."  Since 1986 there has been no work place enforcement.  Employers have hired works illegally for the last 20 years.  These employers should be held accountable.  I agree Democrats should fall for scapegoating illegal immigrants, but neither should they ignore the role corporations have played by creating this problem.

My reading of this bill is simple.  It delivers the second part of the deal struck in 1986.  Until the American people trust their government again, I'm afraid you'll get no more "comprehensive" plans.

Fighting for Texas families

2006,2008 Nominee for US Congress, TX 4th


[ Parent ]
Here's the problem (4.00 / 1)
I see with this approach. The hard-liners only want one thing, to show that they are tough, and can pass enforcement bills. They will never compromise and offer a pathway to legal status or citizenship. Enforcement won't solve the problem, and meanwhile you will have immigrants living here in constant fear of being deported. You'll break families apart, hurt the US economy, and further divide the country.
Democrats should insist on comprehensive reform that addresses the full issue, in a humane & practical way.

Additionally....this bill is a Schuler/ Tancredo bill!
Tancredo is one of the worst racist xenophobes in Congress.

Lastly, in the national polls I've seen recently, immigration does not register as an issue, it's way down at the bottom of the list. People care about healthcare, the economy, jobs, Iraq, etc, ahead of the immigration issue.

As for the political implications in the long run, Repubs will be the losers as Latino voters turn out for Dems (unless Dems blow it) for years to come.


[ Parent ]
Here's a poll (0.00 / 0)
http://democracycorp...

Voters ". . . are looking for leaders in business and government who will understand what is happening with the middle class and act in the interest of their companies and the country, though skeptical it will happen and feel they must take things in their own hands. There is a fundamental breakdown in trust  that takes this beyond any specific issue: they lack confidence leaders will do anything right and hold the right priorities."

"For independents,the top issue underlying the discontent is 'our borders' having been 'left unprotected and illegal immigration' growing - cited by 40 percent, with no other issue a close second."


Fighting for Texas families

2006,2008 Nominee for US Congress, TX 4th


[ Parent ]
Enforcement only is not a winner (4.00 / 2)
1. Passing an enforcement only bill gives up all our leverage to pass a bill the will fix the entire problem which is supported by a majority of the electorate.

2. Running to the center is not a particularly good strategy for the Democratic Party especially on an issue that is in our favor in the long term.

3. This is only a single poll and other polls seem to give different results.


I you want health care, work hard. If you want universal health care, vote for liberals.


[ Parent ]
Real email from a local Democratic Voter (0.00 / 0)
Here is an email I just received from a local Democratic voter.  We had been talking about immigration earlier, and I sent him a link to the SAVE Act. He responded:

"your plan is too slow a response to what is a crisis. what happened to the war on drugs? what i recommend is transfer the entire iraq forces to the mexico border immediately. our greatest threat is not terrorism, it is METH"

Now you can criticize him, or you can listen to him.  I know that he's no wing nut.  American voters want to see real progress on border security before any more compromises take place. 


Fighting for Texas families

2006,2008 Nominee for US Congress, TX 4th


Given that meth (0.00 / 0)
is still produced significantly domestically, I was guess that while he's not a wingnut, he's pretty clearly a nut.

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.

[ Parent ]
Not here. (0.00 / 0)
Local law enforcement officials have generally shut down meth production here.  Meth sold on our streets is coming from Mexico.

Fighting for Texas families

2006,2008 Nominee for US Congress, TX 4th


[ Parent ]
Hm (0.00 / 0)
So I guess the war on drugs is going well then?  Spend money on enforcement, spend more on prisons, spend more on border security and the net result is outsourcing jobs to Mexico?

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.

[ Parent ]
Your response proves my point.. (0.00 / 0)
You're not listening.  If you want to read about my position on jail instead of simply assuming, then go here: http://www.heralddem...

Did I say anything about more prisons?  If the US government enforces the 1986 law and punishes employers, how many more jails cells will be needed before international corporations change their behavior?

METH production was shut down by good investigative work and stoping the over the counter sale of pseudoephedrine.  WalMart used to sell about 100 tablets for $3.  Now, pseudoephedrine used to cook METH comes from overseas. 

Also, Where did you get more net outsourcing of jobs to Mexico?  Cooks, maids, plumbers, construction workers can commute from Mexico? 

Please listen.  If you want average Americans to trust you on immigration, you better start by enforcing existing law.  Voters firmly believe this cycle of amnesty and illegal immigration will continue.  I want a legal immigration system that welcomes legal immigrants and helps them establish a stable, productive future in this country as Americans.

Fighting for Texas families

2006,2008 Nominee for US Congress, TX 4th


[ Parent ]
Ok (4.00 / 1)
Sounds great.

That said, the cycle of "amnesty and illegal immigration" has little or nothing to do with Meth, and that voter clearly isn't an example of where Democrats in general are at, nor are those who share his opinions worth alienating latinos for.

From a tactical standpoint, if you want to push a security bill that Republicans are going to support, you should extract a compromise on something they normally wouldn't; specifically amnesty for the 12 million who are here, or a guarantee for increased legal immigration.

Or, if you actually want the only humane approach to keeping the brown people out, which I understand is a popular position, feel free to focus on improving the standard of living in the countries immigrants are trying desperately to get out of.

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.


[ Parent ]
We're coming to agreement. (0.00 / 0)
I believe these two should be done, but neither were included in the "Comprehensive" plan pushed by Ted Kennedy.

1) increased legal immigration
2) improving the standard of living in the countries immigrants are trying desperately to get out of

I really don't understand why you insist on insulting me with phrases like this: "if you actually want the only humane approach to keeping the brown people out."  As I've been trying to explain, people can oppose comprehensive reform and still be good people.  Here is my position: http://www.dailykos....

If you can develop a better way to communicate my position to North Texans, then I'm ears.  I'll warn you though, calling them racists isn't the way to begin a dialog.

Fighting for Texas families

2006,2008 Nominee for US Congress, TX 4th


[ Parent ]
"keeping brown people out" (0.00 / 0)
Problem is, Glenn, that you're making some sense here but also not seeing the whole picture of the dialogue we truly do need. OF COURSE its not productive to call people racist etc., and I know from experience with members of my family (on top of studying the issue) that's not all at play here; but at the same time, I don't think you can deny that race is a huge factor, that it DOES underlie some of the anxiety you're talking about, and that it also underlies frustration with the need for a broader solution.

You say you want to enforce laws on the books regarding undocumented immigrants, but the reality we're seeing now, via workplace raids and frustrated towns like Hazelton, PA and so forth, is that has turned into an assault on brown-skinned people. Kids who are American citizens getting swept up and schooled in detention centers, communities looked at suspiciously, and people who look a certain way being asked for insane layers of ID when they try to vote and so forth. In my home county, on Long Island, the feds roped county police into an anti-gang raid that turned out to be a pretext for an immigration raid in terms of substance; which even then reeled in some people here legally, and which included the feds wildly harassing not only those being rounded up, but also the LOCAL COPS.

And while I'm all for going after employers who exploit undocumented immigrants and blatantly violate existing law, most proposals to do that have their biggest result in scores of people-- both undocumented and legal-- getting fired by jittery employers. All that happens there, rather than building the rule of law, is that exploiters evade justice; hard-working people regardless of status can't put food on the table; those who are here illegally just sink further into an underground economy rather than actually having any sort of resolution; and the climate of anxiety surrounding this whole issue just deepens and cycles on.

All that's real too, and when you talk about the "American people" without talking about that, and WITHOUT talking about race and its intrinsic role in an enforcement-focused paradigm, you also miss part of the conversation. And you do leave yourself open to the thought that in the process, by "American people," you end up meaning "native born American people."


[ Parent ]
I agree with your point (0.00 / 0)
But I think comparing a 3-way presidential election with an unusually Democratic midterm is bad science.

immigration is a class issue (4.00 / 1)
People in the trades see their careers being undermined by illegal immigrants (with no work-place insurance etc) being hired by cowboy outfits and driving down contracting prices.

Middle class people are happy to go with the lowest bidder in getting a job done.  Quality doesn't matter, an American stays in one house an average of ten years.

What to do?

Serious penalities (and enforcement) for employers of illegal immigrants.

Licensing of the trades (e.g. Germany licenses tilers) and proper enforcement (I know in NJ licensing of contractors is a joke).  Penalties for home-owners who hire unlicensed contractors (too many carpenters already doing electrical and plumbing work).

This is a ticking time bomb for Democrats.  Blindly opening or closing borders is going to alienate one crowd or another.  They have to get beyond their comfortable middle-class blindness on the issue.


This is our generation's "Other America" (0.00 / 0)
Voters educated me about immigration last cycle.  I dismissed their pleas for relief before I started running for Congress, then I began to listen to their stories. 

In construction, hotels, restaurant kitchens -- any job that doesn't come into contact with the general public -- average Americans found it hard to fit in.  They considered themselves strangers in their own home.  Some even told me stories about being fired for not knowing Spanish.

These voters feel betrayed.  The federal government -- under Republicans and Democrats -- have shipped jobs overseas, destroyed any sense of workplace security and generally ignored the needs of working people. 

I invite any one of you down to Texas to listen to average voters.  To listen to their issues.  To listen to how they talk about problems.  To listen to their sense that the American dream is dying right before their eyes.  I believe you'll find that you have a lot in common.  All you have to do is listen to what their are saying, not what you are hearing.

Fighting for Texas families

2006,2008 Nominee for US Congress, TX 4th


[ Parent ]
Well yeah (4.00 / 1)
That's why we shouldn't ram in legislation that's half baked.

I you want health care, work hard. If you want universal health care, vote for liberals.

[ Parent ]
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