David ... thanks ... (0.00 / 0)

this is exactly the kind of crap that turns people off to Hillary .. trying to play people for chumps

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by: Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 16:27:42 PM CST

Read the press release below n/t (0.00 / 0)

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by: kazumatan @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 19:35:56 PM CST

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read the press release (0.00 / 0)

all it says is that she thinks the peru one has strong protections but the others do not. who negotiated all of these treaties and why would they make the peru one with 'strong protections' but not the other. this again is Iran and Iraq again. If you want to pretend there is no context then you can find coherence, but the minute you think for a second your argment and that press releases falls.

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by: bruhrabbit @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 20:31:42 PM CST

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It's just her way. (0.00 / 0)

This is who she is.  You would think that after the attention focussed on things like this during the last debate she would change.  This just adds to the list of things to bring up during this weeks debate.  We may see that the whole driver license thing wasn't really a stumble - that's how she walks.

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by: DD2 @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 16:32:15 PM CST

she was in Waterloo (0.00 / 0)

where a lot of good manufacturing jobs have disappeared.

Who is going to call her on her bullshit?

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by: desmoinesdem @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 17:10:49 PM CST

I meant that she also campaigned in Waterloo (0.00 / 0)

today. Will people let her get away with claiming not to be for more trade agreements?

Kerry did extremely well in both Dubuque and Waterloo--lots of Democratic votes up for grabs there.

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by: desmoinesdem @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 17:30:40 PM CST

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not different (2.00 / 2)

Right "technically the two statements don't contradict each other".  I guess that makes you the idiot then and not Senator Clinton.

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by: RalphB @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 17:53:00 PM CST

Yes, and let's debate what the definition of "is" is too while we're at it, huh? (4.00 / 2)

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by: David Sirota @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 18:01:27 PM CST

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Hillary Clinton is a policy wonk (0.00 / 0)

When the media tries to miniaturize her statements into sound-bites they can get distorted.

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by: kazumatan @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 19:41:31 PM CST

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Hillary Clinton Statement on Pending Trade Agreements (0.00 / 0)

Clinton's policy on trade is sound, coherent, and extremely specific.

Press Release (11/8/2007):

"I have long said that we need smart trade policies that advance labor rights, the environment, and our economic standing in the world.

"I support the trade agreement with Peru. It has very strong labor and environmental protections. This agreement makes meaningful progress on advancing workers' rights, and also levels the playing field for American workers. Most Peruvian goods already enter the U.S. duty free, but our exports to Peru have been subject to tariffs.

"However, I will oppose the pending trade agreements with South Korea, Colombia, and Panama. The South Korean agreement does not create a level playing field for American carmakers. I am very concerned about the history of violence against trade unionists in Colombia. And as long as the head of Panama's National Assembly is a fugitive from justice in America, I cannot support that agreement. Accordingly, I will oppose the trade agreements with these countries.

"We need to vigorously enforce our trade agreements. As President, I will appoint a trade enforcement officer and double the enforcement staff at the office of the United States Trade Representative. I will also systematically review every trade agreement to ensure that it is delivering benefits to American workers. I will also expand the Trade Adjustment Assistance program so that workers negatively affected by the global economy get the help they need. And as President, in my first months in office, I will take a time out from new trade deals to assess their impact before going forward."

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by: kazumatan @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 19:33:43 PM CST

what makes the statment (0.00 / 0)

coherent? the fact she claims that one is good and the other isn't? your definition of coherence seems to depends on ignoring context- who negotiated Peru, and why would they make that one with strong protections, but not the others? nothing of which your post answers- it counts on ignorance and good will.

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by: bruhrabbit @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 20:29:28 PM CST

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fine position (0.00 / 0)

The position taken by the press release is fine by itself.  I also support trade agreements sometimes and not others, if I feel they protect the people of both countries.

The problem is that it doesn't line up with what she said today.  If she has already made up her mind about the pending trade deals, then what is the point in taking time out from new deals.

Besides what are the criteria for going ahead with a trade deal?  That is far more important than taking a little bit of time to think about it.

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by: Luam @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 21:45:40 PM CST

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What did really she say today? (0.00 / 0)

It's entirely possible that what she said just before or after the "time out" comment of 11/12 makes it totally consistent with her position on the four pending trade agreements.

Maybe if I opposed the Peru Trade Deal I'd agree with this attack, David, but I don't.  Boooo.

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by: benjamins @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 20:07:24 PM CST

Too bad (0.00 / 0)

You are in the minority on the progressive side in not opposing this awful extension of NAFTA. Not a single major labor, environmental, human rights, anti-poverty, religious or consumer group supports this deal.

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by: David Sirota @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 22:16:09 PM CST

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