Obama Goes Nuclear on Clinton, Edwards

by: Matt Stoller

Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 17:42


David Plouffe has a memo out on the state of the race.  Washington Wire's write-up is fascinating.
Matt Stoller :: Obama Goes Nuclear on Clinton, Edwards
Plouffe argues that change will be the critical 2008 campaign issue, and that Obama is the best candidate to meet that call from voters. More specifically, Plouffe reiterates arguments that a Clinton candidacy would do more to unite Republicans than any of their likely candidates. He also argues that Clinton's record, willingness to take money from federal lobbyists, and continued reluctance to expedite the release of her White House records will dog her candidacy.

This is the electability argument.

Plouffe also portrays the other lead Democrat, John Edwards, as Clinton-lite on many issues. "And Senator Edwards does not show an inclination toward unity, suggesting compromise is a dirty word." Like Obama, Edwards doesn't take lobbyist donations, but Plouffe says that Edwards can not run from his record as North Carolina senator where he argues that reform "was not one of his priorities" and that Edwards has changed his tune for political gain.

Ouch, this is the first real unprompted slash at Edwards from the Obama campaign that I can remember.  Plouffe must be reacting to something from Edwards, since the campaign has been ignoring him until now and a gang up on Clinton would make sense if they were both still behind.

The memo continues.

"Opening up and reforming government has been a primary cause in Obama's life, not just a convenient set of issues in a political campaign," he writes. Plouffe also equates Clinton's "ducking and dodging" on driver's licenses for illegal immigrations, her plan for Social Security reform, and relations with Iran with Edwards' pivoting on many issues he supported as an elected official. Edwards' "positions are not changing as rapidly, but on many core issues the Edwards of today is different than the Edwards of 1998, or even 2004," he writes. "It's admirable to admit mistakes but John Edwards has apologized for most of his record while in the Senate, saying he got it wrong on trade with China, Right to Work, Packer Ban, No Child Left Behind, Bankruptcy reform and of course, the Iraq War."

That is vicious stuff, a kind of double-barreled shotgun attack on both Edwards and Clinton as unprincipled representatives of an older, partisan, and hypocritical environment.

Plouffe argues that Edwards is in a static third-place in Iowa and New Hampshire, and that if Clinton does not have a strong showing in Iowa it could doom her candidacy. "Iowa is make or break for them and they know it," he says. Plouffe also writes that Obama has "vibrant grassroots organizations" in 11 states with Feb. 5 primaries.

"As best we can tell, Clinton only has a meaningful presence in California and New Jersey. Edwards has no formal presence in the February 5th states." Democrats are heading to Las Vegas Thursday for a debate hosted by CNN at the University of Las Vegas.

What I find interesting about this memo is that all of the arguments that Plouffe makes are essentially generational.  He attacks Edwards for being unwilling to compromise, which is a nod to Obama's theme of moving past the partisan and polarized 1990s.  He attacks Clinton for being part of an older corrupt system, for ducking and dodging, and for refusing to deal with Social Security in a straightforward manner.  These are all DLC assumptions premised on a centrist reform mantle - the way Obama articulates the Social Security is in crisis theme comes from, among others, the Third Way Gen-X crew, who cast it as a matter of principle from the youth.

It is sort of a mash-up of Jimmy Carter in 1976 and John Kerry in 2004, with Obama pledging to tell people what they need to hear instead of what they want to hear (versus Bush/Nixon/Clinton) while also making the electability argument.

I got a call today from a Dan Abrams producer on Hillary Clinton's problems with the media, and I basically said I didn't understand the political press and their choices.  He promptly asked me for another contact, which was smart, because I really don't understand why the press does what it does at this point.  Still, it'll be interesting to see if this narrative turns against Obama.  Going negative on Edwards seems unwise.  The media wants to keep munching on Clinton, but they will eventually need a new storyline.


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In response to the new CBS/NYT poll (0.00 / 0)
The memo was probably released in order to blunt the CBS/NYT poll being posted tonight.  The numbers aren't great for Obama.

CBS Poll (0.00 / 0)
If we're looking at the same poll (Clinton 25, Edwards 23, Obama 22), they're actually not bad for Obama at all, as he is behind Clinton by about 5 points in the state. This poll has him behind by 3. If this poll is accurate, however, it seems Edwards is the one who is picking up the points that Clinton is losing, which is probably what you're alluding to. A 3-way tie in Iowa isn't any reason to panic, it's basically just a confirmation that the race is where it has been for a long time, with a possible implication that the Edwards slide and the Clinton bounce are coming to an end.

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Edwards is picking up the points clinton is losing (0.00 / 0)
and clinton made her push in Iowa off of Edward's back.  See here.  Clinton and Edwards very consistently total up to half of the Iowa vote, and the poll movement that the two have experienced in Iowa is almost completely at the cost of the other one.  Edwards has just gained back voters he's lost to Clinton over the past two or three months.

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Don't get it (0.00 / 0)
I just don't get Obama.

Republicans take plenty of swings at the Democrats and only lately has one of them (Mitt Romney) begun to attack other Republicans.  Obama does the opposite.  It is such a huge turn off to me.  He's seen the Republicans in business in the Senate for three years now and still acts like they are milquetoasts.

Obama is certainly not stupid.  My read is that he's either willfully blind or is putting a false front out to the voters.  We've had seven years of willfully blind in the White House, so I want no more of that.  Neither do I want someone who thinks we are easily duped.

Obama is dead last on my list of Democrats.  In fact, I feel harder towards him than towards any Democrat running for President in the last 30 years.  Would I hold my nose and vote for him.  Yeah, but I need a huge clothes pin to hide the stench.

This is the worst of machine politics (hey, the Daley machine did deliver the goods back in the day).


RE: I just don't get Obama. (4.00 / 1)
I'm in exactly the same place. His rhetoric is either naive or deceptive.

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Why is evryone so damned surprised? (0.00 / 0)
If it walks like a Lieberman....

If it talks like a Lieberman....

Then it's gonna act like a Lieberman.

Try this exercise. Substitute: 'I want to bring the troops home.' for 'I want to heal the partisan divide....'

Get the picture? Obama is practicing the politics of the substantive lie; just like Joey did in CT.

After all it worked for Joe.

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Social Security (4.00 / 1)
Also, I think Obama is right to press the issue of raising the income cap on Social Security. While the situation can hardly be called a "crisis" (fixing it would require spending about 0.75% of the GDP/year, whereas if we let the Bush tax cuts expire, we'll be adding back to the GDP about 2%/year), it is very important that we make it clear that we are going to make the tax code more progressive. The candidates have already said they will raise taxes in order to implement their (not exactly thrilling and probably doomed) health care plans. What is wrong with asking them to do the same thing with their Social Security plans, which will likely make a lot more sense and be much more salient with the public?

I want a Democratic President elected in 2008 with a mandate to provide health care for everyone and to preserve public pension benefits. If our candidate is straightforward with the electorate about his or her plans during the election, they will have a much easier time rallying the necessary support to get them passed once they are in the White House. Clinton's secrecy regarding health care didn't work, and her unwillingness to talk about paying for Social Security certainly makes it seem like she hasn't learned from that debacle.


I really don't think the part about (4.00 / 1)
Edward's changing his positions if viscous, it its true.

What I do find interesting is that the ego of the Campaign Manager led him to believe that he could somehow help his candidate's cause by releasing this memo.  Fundamentally I think Obama is not sensing the strength of his current position.  That shows up in the memo's attacks on someone who is behind him.

I think the idea that Obama is some sort of DLC guy is completely wrong. 

He is a description of the candidate he is trying to emmulate - and I think widely so


  Many of his ideas have never been exposed on the national political stage. His emphasis ... in many instances, that he will abandon liberal totems that have been outworn or misshapen. "The pragmatism of the New Deal has become doctrine," he says. "We have saddled ourselves with expedients.

Still, he is usually on the left....

Domestically, he says, "I see Government as a problem solver." For him that includes aggressive efforts by Washington to remedy racial and sexual inequities...

Yet his liberalism is not automatic.  He respects the primacy of market forces and thinks business growth is generally a good thing.

There is a fundamental difference between this message and the DLC's message. I won't say who the candidate being described above is - but it is precisely what Obama should be aiming for.

And if he accomplishes it I think he will win.

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candidate (4.00 / 1)
Yep President Hart was really great.  And a fundamental believer in the DLC. I think he may have been one of the founders.

Barack Obama is running George W Bush's 2000 campaign and it might work for him but I sure hope not. 


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Gary Hart Was NOT a founder of the DNC (0.00 / 0)
Do a little solid research.

By the way, it's time for a new generation of leadership.


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You don't know (4.00 / 1)
anything about Hart if you think he was ever part of the DLC.

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Hart and DLC (0.00 / 0)
I think the point was that the DLC grew out of a response to 1984, where an unabashedly liberal/populist message (both Hart and Mondale) was all that came out of the Democratic primary, with disastrous results.  Not that I agree with the logic, but I think that's the argument.

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I haven't heard one person .. (0.00 / 0)
say business growth is bad ... it is how business goes about that growth(see the sub prime meltdown) that is the problem.

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Not Exactly Nuclear (4.00 / 2)
Obama has been running as a generational candidate for some time.  This is an attack but it strikes be as several Defcon Levels below a "nuclear" attack.  I guess the standards for what constitutes a "nuclear" attack have dropped.  In any case, the real attacks will start about Dec. 26 or so and it will suck, it will be intense and it should be over by Feb. 6.  As far as attacks go, to quote somebody, "you ain't seen nothing yet" from any of the campaigns.  As I recall from 2003, there was an ad featuring both Howard Dean& Osama Bin Laden, THAT is nuclear.

I thought (0.00 / 0)
Stoller said Obama was done sometime ago. What are primaries for if you can't point out the differences between yourselves and other candidates? If you do (in Obama's case here) Matt describes it as going nuclear without addressing the substance of the memo just to further his Obama is done meme. Matt Stoller will be one of those eating the crow when Obama win this thingy.

huh? (0.00 / 0)
I have been obsessed with the political news, opinion and punditry on the internets since the jj dinner and matt is alone in his analysis.

re: (0.00 / 0)
Those are some pretty brutal attacks but many of those things he said rang true to me

Personally I think the best argument against Clinton is that she is going to hurt down-ticket Democrats running for lower office, but the establishment thing is a pretty good angle as well.

If I were Obama I would tell voters that I was the most electable and that Clinton represents a dynasty and Edwards is already a proven loser from 2004 with Kerry (which is the main reason I'm not supporting him, that and how much his tune has changed since then).

End this war. Stop John McCain. Cindy McCain is filthy rich.


My favorite zing from the memo (4.00 / 1)
John Edwards' positions are not changing as rapidly, but on many core issues the Edwards of today is different than the Edwards of 1998, or even 2004. It's admirable to admit mistakes but John Edwards has apologized for most of his record while in the Senate, saying he got it wrong on trade with China, Right to Work, Packer Ban, No Child Left Behind, Bankruptcy reform and of course, the Iraq War.

You have to admit that's pretty finely crafted.

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Strategic Vision IA Poll ALSO OUT TODAY (4.00 / 1)
Strategic Vision came out today with a IA caucus poll taken from Nov. 9-12th.(Oct)

Clinton 29 (+1)
Obama  27 (+4)
Edwards 20 (NC)

Un-decided 12

Again this is a 3 way tie. To Matt so much for Obama's demise. It must kill you to see him in a position to win IA like any one of the top tier candidates


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Matt (0.00 / 0)
fired his punditry gun very early. Obama is done...classic. That will be one of the most memorable lines of these primaries.

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Well crafted, but deceptive (0.00 / 0)
It's obviously indisputable that Edwards has changed his positions hugely since 1998. On the other hand, it's much harder to dispute that there is something substantive behind the change. If it was a smokescreen, it wouldn't have required this much preparation or for him to burn so many bridges in DC. That's not to say that he's a full-blown progressive (the jury is still out) but the John Edwards of 1998 and the John Edwards of today are fundamentally different.

That said, it is very well crafted, as it not only attacks his record, but the 'mistake' theme is going to be especially powerful in 2008, particularly with Obama's opposition to the war. The dilemna for Edwards is whether it's more harmful to say that he's changed completely in the last decade or just to hope the issue goes away.

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Bipartisan (0.00 / 0)
Does Obama really think if we elect someone from his generation, the Republicans will say Ok - those issues from the 60's are over - no one is disenfranchised any more, ERA of course, women's reproductive rights in every state, same sex marriage  - sure.  I mean he has a nice smile.  And about electability - I had a really depressing talk today with some people in New York - racist comments they made ugh, could not believe it.  Scared me in New York City.

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