Nomination At A Glance, December 9th

by: Chris Bowers

Sun Dec 09, 2007 at 13:48


Since the last update, there have been lots of new polls over the last 49 hours. This includes Newsweek in Iowa, an Edwards internal poll in Iowa, Mason-Dixon in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada, Insider Advantage on Democrats South Carolina, and Rasmussen on Republicans in Michigan. Overall, Clinton has edged back in front, while Huckabee is pulling away. Also, every state now has recent polls. Only 25 days Iowa, which means I can start opening my Iowa caucus advent calendar. Yey!

Democratic Nomination, At a Glance
All state polls included in the averages had the majority of their interviews conducted November 25th through December 8th
State Est. Date # Polls Clinton Obama Edwards Richardson Biden Kucinich Dodd
Net Avail Cash Sep 30 Q3 $32.2M $30.5M $23.4M $5.1M $0.8M $0.3M $2.4M
Iowa Jan 03 8 26.6% 26.5% 22.8% 7.9% 5.1% 1.4% 1.0%
New Hampshire Jan 08 8 33.1% 24.4% 15.6% 9.1% 2.9% 2.4% 0.9%
Nevada Jan 19 2 39.5% 22.0% 11.5% 4.5% 4.0% 3.0% 1.0%
South Carolina Jan 26 4 33.3% 26.5% 14.5% 1.3% 6.0% 1.5% 0.8%
Florida Jan 29 3 52.7% 20.7% 10.3% 2.5% 1.0% 2.5% 0.5%
National Feb 05 NA 44.0% 23.0% 12.0% 3.5% 2.9% 2.3% 1.0%

Obama appears to clearly be getting closer in both New Hampshire and South Carolina. Why then, would I put Clinton back in front? The reason, as always, is Iowa. Simply put, I don’t trust the likely voter screens being used in the state. The final set of 2004 polls showed Dean doing better, and Edwards doing worse, among likely voters. However, when the actual voting took place, the opposite proved to be true. As such, I don’t use “likely” or “certain” voter results, that currently slightly favor Obama. Further, Clinton has erased Obama’s advantage among second-choice results. Newsweek (C 21%--20% O), Rasmussen (O 18%--16% C), Mason-Dixon (O 30%--29% C), and Zogby all show Clinton gaining ground among second-place choices. Third, and most importantly, the Iowa trend appears flat over the last two weeks. While Huckabee appears to be pulling away on the Republican side, Obama and Clinton remain deadlocked. The last seven media polls out of Iowa show Obama ahead in three, and Clinton ahead in four (although in two of the polls where Clinton leads, Obama actually leads among all voters). Clinton also leads in the Edwards internal poll from Iowa. And yes, I include internal polls in the means.

So, while Obama is now clearly in position to take both New Hampshire and South Carolina should he win Iowa, and close enough in Nevada that a double Iowa--New Hampshire sweep should be more than enough there, I can no longer say with an certainty that Obama is ahead in Iowa. Until Obama regains a clear Iowa advantage, Clinton will remain the frontrunner. In this instance, a “clear Iowa advantage” is defined as one candidate ahead in two-thirds or more of all Iowa polls, and two-thirds or more of all trendlines. It is all about Iowa. Click here for more thoughts on what aspects of polling matter most in the first nomination campaign state.

Republican Nomination, At a Glance
All state polls included in the averages had the majority of their interviews conducted November 25th through December 8th
State Est. Date # Polls Huckabee Romney Giuliani Thompson McCain Paul
Net Avail Cash Sep 30 Q3 $0.6M $9.2M $11.4M $6.4M -$0.1M $5.4M
Iowa Jan 03 7 28.9% 23.9% 10.4% 10.4% 6.6% 4.6%
New Hampshire Jan 08 8 10.3% 32.6% 17.8% 3.6% 16.6% 6.0%
Michigan Jan 15 1 21.0% 20.0% 19.0% 9.0% 8.0% 7.0%
South Carolina Jan 19 4 21.5% 17.0% 17.3% 15.5% 9.8% 4.3%
Nevada Jan 19 2 20.0% 24.5% 21.0% 7.0% 7.0% 4.0%
Florida Jan 29 4 15.3% 13.0% 31.5% 11.0% 11.0% 4.0%
National Feb 05 NA 16.2% 11.5% 26.3% 13.1% 13.6% 4.2%

Huckabee now holds a solid lead in Iowa, ahead in five of the last seven polls and down by only 1% in the two polls where he trails. Given the trendline, that lead is well on it’s way to becoming a decisive advantage. He maintains his lead in South Carolina, and now has even nosed ahead in Michigan. With second place standings in Florida and nationwide, he has become the clear Republican frontrunner, even though he still struggles a bit in New Hampshire and financially.

Now, Huckabee's rise won’t continue at this same pace. This is a typical pattern for every new candidate to grab the national attention: meteoric rise because all the press is good, followed by a period when s/he comes back down to Earth when the press coverage stops being perfect. Also, establishment Republican attacks against him on taxes and terrorism will intensify significantly over the next four weeks. Without much money to back him up, can he withdstand the barrage? Really, that is anyone’s guess, but given the pattern of the Republican campaign so far, I bet he crashes pretty hard at some point. Huckabee is the fifth national leader in the Republican campaign, and none of the previous four showed any ability to stay on top. The 2008 Republican nomination is just like the 2007 BCS, in that whoever wins will probably end up winning by default.
Chris Bowers :: Nomination At A Glance, December 9th
Notes: The Nomination At A Glance formula is based on polling averages over the last two weeks. It projects the Iowa winner to gain 11.3% on the Iowa second place finisher in New Hampshire, and 18% on the Iowa third-place finisher (the second place finisher gains 6.7% on the third place finisher). It projects that a sweep of Iowa and New Hampshire will provide a 33% boost nationally. This is based on data provided by diarist fladem, and should be treated as estimates, rather than hard numbers.

Click here for previous nomination at a glance results. Candidates are listed from left to right according to how likely it currently appears each is to winning the nomination. Early state polls can be found here and here. Net available cash means cash on hand for the primaries minus debts owed by the campaigns (info here and here). The primary calendar, at long last, is finally set. National polls are substituted for the 20 states holding caucuses or primaries on February 5th, but that will change if even one organization begins conducting a daily tracking poll of only the February 5th states. Michigan is not included for Democrats because virtually all have withdrawn their names from the ballot.

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LOL--Iowa caucus advent calendar (0.00 / 0)
I still hate this holiday schedule, though. I just learned yesterday that strong Edwards supporter and volunteer in a neighboring precinct booked plane tickets months ago and is set to return on the afternoon of January 3. If his flight is delayed, he may miss the caucus.

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How far is Omaha (0.00 / 0)
from Des Moines?  I get in on the First and have to drive from Omaha to Des Moines.

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about a two-hour drive (0.00 / 0)
Longer if the roads are covered with snow and ice, obviously.

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home-schoolers for Huckabee (0.00 / 0)
The Des Moines Register ran an interesting piece today about the network of conservative Christian home-schoolers who are going to volunteer countless hours for Huckabee in the coming weeks: Home-schoolers propel Huckabee

I have secular progressive friends who are home-schoolers, but they seem divided among several candidates, and I don't think they are contributing significantly to any Democratic campaign the way conservatives are to Huckabee.

I spend a little time on non-political blogs related to mothering/parenting (not posting as "desmoinesdem"). I noticed support for Huckabee on a few of those blogs back in the spring and summer. For instance, see this Christian home-schooler's blog Making Home. It's full of Bible interpretation and marriage tips for Christian wives and mothers, with a constant link to a pro-Huckabee site on the right side of the screen.

Amusing side note: after years of participating on political blogs while rarely receiving a troll-rating, I managed to get banned from commenting at Making Home within a matter of months. Not too tolerant of feminists who challenge the blogger's assertions!

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interesting. (4.00 / 1)
I think it makes more sense to have Clinton ahead.

That said, I think it is a mistake to include internal polls.  Since they are only released if they favor a particular candidate, they are biased and therefore will throw off the average. 

Not that it is enough to make much difference, but I do not think it is good methodology.  Now, when you only have a few polls like in a Congressional race, it might be necessary, but here it seems questionable.



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Read the Mason-Dixon crosstabs (4.00 / 1)
The gender breakdown for their Iowa sample was 59%-41% female-male. Their age breakdown was 66% >50 years old to 34% <50 years old. Among men, Obama leads with 29%, followed by Clinton with 21% and Edwards with 15%. Among women, Clinton leads with 31%, followed by Edwads with 25% and Obama with 22%. From these numbers, three things jump out at me:

(1) For the 2004 caucuses, the exit polling indicated that 54% of the participants were women. If Hillary Clinton can raise that up to 60%, as the new Mason-Dixon poll seems to assume she will, she'll almost certainly win. However, if she can't, it will be much closer.
(2) Same thing goes for Obama and the youth vote. However, whereas this poll seems to overestimate the amount of women at the caucuses based on 2004, it probably gets the age breakdown about right. Last time, 32% of caucus participants were 44 or younger, and 68% were 45 and older. This number may actually skew the Mason-Dixon poll in Clinton's favor as well.
(3) There is a huge disparity between Edwards' support among women and his support among men, with more of his support coming from women. Des Moines Dem (or anyone else currently working in Iowa), is this the feeling you get from your voter contact efforts?

Other than those points, same old same old: still anybody named Obama, Clinton, or Edwards' game, and ~150,000 Iowans will make all the difference on January 3rd.


I should have mentioned (0.00 / 0)
In the age bracket, Obama leads the under 50 crowd (34% of the sample) with 36%, followed by Edwards in 2nd at 30% and Clinton all the way back in third at 14%, closer to Richardson (5%) than Obama or even Edwards.

Among the sample of voters older than 50, Clinton's situation is reversed. She leads with 34% of the vote, with Obama (19%) and Edwards (16%) in 2nd and 3rd, again closer to Richardson (11%) than the age bracket leader, Clinton.


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I predict this a;; changes next week (0.00 / 0)
A lot of new poll's will be coming out next week and we can measure the Oprah bounce.

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Edwards seems to do well with women and men (0.00 / 0)
I don't get a sense that his support is skewed in either direction.

Now Richardson definitely seems to do better among men.

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The Coming Huckabee Crash (0.00 / 0)
This makes a lot of sense to me:

Now, Huckabee's rise won't continue at this same pace. This is a typical pattern for every new candidate to grab the national attention: meteoric rise because all the press is good, followed by a period when s/he comes back down to Earth when the press coverage stops being perfect. Also, establishment Republican attacks against him on taxes and terrorism will intensify significantly over the next four weeks. Without much money to back him up, can he withdstand the barrage? Really, that is anyone's guess, but given the pattern of the Republican campaign so far, I bet he crashes pretty hard at some point. Huckabee is the fifth national leader in the Republican campaign, and none of the previous four showed any ability to stay on top. The 2008 Republican nomination is just like the 2007 BCS, in that whoever wins will probably end up winning by default.

Basically, the GOP has a whole lot of nothing, and they did it to themselves, by letting Cheney steal the Vice Presidency.

Nowadays, the networks are in terrible shape.  But there was a time when no network would have greenlighted a show with such a preposterous premise.

Star Trek?  Sure!  It's Wagon Train in the sky, as Roddenberry pitched it.

But crazy uncle appoints himself Vice President, thus dooming his party to the everlasting flames of hell, and nobody notices until it's too late.  Much mayhem, and dark laughs ensue?

Fuhgdedaboudit!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Heh...heh.... (0.00 / 0)
Every Democratic candidate should have big pictures of Cheney at every event.

Cheney, the gift that we all can love!

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It's so easy (0.00 / 0)
Even if the GOP candidates didn't have the skeletons of a couple of brachiosaurs in their closets, opposition research still wouldn't be hard. Just find a picture of the candidate and Cheney, then put that up on each and every wall you see.

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Huckabee's big target (0.00 / 0)
Seems like Huckabee's lack of money will make it pretty easy for the other Republican candidates to demolish him with negative ads. With no cash, how can he fight back? There is plenty of dirt to talk about, so I have trouble seeing why the other Republicans would let him stay at #1 without attacking hard.

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Too many phone calls (0.00 / 0)
I live in Southern Cali now, but grew up in Iowa. I posted a link to my post on my blog for my 14 readers to check out.  I also explained how hard it was to get accurate poll numbers in Iowa.  My mother wrote this in my comments and I thought it might interest you all:

"I have one more reason why the Iowa Caucus is hard to poll: BECAUSE WE GET SO MANY PHONE CALLS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO TALK TO ANYONE!!! And when someone says they are calling for a poll, they may well be calling for a candidate but you don't learn that for a few minutes. So, I don't do polls."



OOOPS (0.00 / 0)
I meant to write: "I posted a link to this post on my blog"

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Holding on (4.00 / 1)
Romney was the leader in both Iowa and New Hampshire for at least five solid months.  Before that, Rusy was leading the national polls for a year.  Yes, the Republicans have switched leaders more often but it has not been an easy or quick thing.

Huckabee is close to the top end of the typical right wing candidate in Iowa.  He has little room to grow by traditional measuring.  Look at these numbers:

Reagan, 1980  29.5%
Robertson, 1988  24.6%
Buchanan, 1996  23%
Forbes, 2000  30%
Huckabee (current)  28.9%

Romney needs to be the clear establishment choice in Iowa to win.  In all four of these previous cases, an establishment candidate polled the most Republican votes.  Giuliani, Thompson, and McCain combined are now ahead of Romney.  Since Republicans report initial votes rather than requiring a 15% threshold, it is this three headed monster that is the real threat to Mitt.  Look for him to go really brutal on both Rudy and McCain, probably through "unnamed" or anonymous attacks.


thanks (0.00 / 0)
I am hoping that you keep him as underdog right on thru January. We don't want to be the front runner until Feb 5th.

It's all about Iowa (0.00 / 0)

Though we are seeing something I first noticed in 2004 and that is a bit of a departure from past cycles:  reporting on the Iowa race is starting to effect polling on the other primary states.  The Mason Dixon polls make this clear - and I wonder if the post Iowa bounce will be as big as a result.

Here is the table that I posted in 2004 before the Iowa Caucuses showing Kerry ascending in New Hampshire before Iowa:








CandidateJan 9-11Jan 11-13Jan 14-16Total change
Dean363228-8
Clark192222+3
Kerry101318+8
Edwards338+5
Lieberman1096-4


http://www.dailykos.com/...



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