Clinton DOOMED Narrative

by: Matt Stoller

Mon Dec 10, 2007 at 11:54


At least one reporter is reporting that the hyper-disciplined Clinton machine is breaking down.

The Clinton camp has similar research; things are tense in Hillaryland these days.
Matt Stoller :: Clinton DOOMED Narrative
Her once-commanding advantage over Obama in Iowa and New Hampshire -- the two critical initial contests -- is evaporating. She has gotten the worst of recent exchanges over Iran and health care.

There are also political strains with her greatest asset and surrogate, Bill Clinton. The former president was quoted last month as saying he had really opposed the invasion of Iraq from the beginning; he later claimed he was misquoted.

Top Clinton campaign officials were privately furious at the former president, saying he had revived the complaint that the Clintons lack credibility, unfairly tarnishing his wife in the process.

For his part, the former president, one close associate says, has been bouncing off the walls at the campaign's ineptitude in the past few weeks. (It is not known if the Clintons shared any of these sentiments with each other)...

And her campaign has a near-obsession with what it perceives as a hostile press. They were incensed at a New York Times story that reported skepticism about Hillary's contention that her proposal to overhaul health care would help a lot more people than the plan of her rival. The best advice to them: Get over it.

It's a good bet that Clinton, encouraged by her husband, is weighing a shakeup, such as bringing in former White House Chief of Staff John Podesta to direct the overall campaign. The question is whether it's too late and too awkward before those first contests, which are to be held in 3 1/2 weeks.

There are several to note here.  One, campaigns are garbage moving in the right direction, at best, and they are also very emotional.  Two, everyone in Democratic politics is a 'close associate' of the Clinton's, so take that statement with a grain of salt.  Three, the Clinton team really is paranoid about the press, which hasn't helped them considering Obama gets raves and Clinton does not.  Four, this is further proof that policy doesn't matter to the electorate.  Clinton is probably correct on the health care argument, and Obama pulled a hatchet job on Krugman for no particular reason.  But it doesn't show up in the poll or probably on election day.  Clinton may want to run on facts and evidence instead of ideology and politics, as the direct mail piece I'm holding in my hands says, but the voters don't seem to care.

It's useful to note that the press is writing the narrative of stumbling frontrunner, and Oprah is a genuine rock star bringing glamor to a surging Obama campaign.  I would still give the edge to Clinton, since fear is a very powerful motivator for the electorate and the most primal urge among Democratic voters is to win the general election, not to have a fresh face in there.  Obama's coalition, whether he likes it or not (and he doesn't like it), is the Lamont coalition.  It's creative class whites, African-Americans, younger voters, and independents.  Clinton's coalition is hard core Democratic partisans, older voters, and African-Americans.  There are obviously fights within both coalitions, over African-Americans, a simmering boil for some time.

I don't really understand this Presidential primary.  All the candidates look very similar.  I like Obama's open internet stuff, I think his Social Security and post-partisan stuff is dangerous.  I like Clinton's energy policy, but her top-down autocratic hawkish style is worrisome.  My hope is that liberal cultural and political trends are so strong that leadership can come from outside the Presidential forum.


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What must be REALLY frustrating (0.00 / 0)
to the Clinton people is that Obama is just not making serious mistakes at this point.

Most people on the outside have no appreciation for how HARD it is to run a Presidential campaign.  In fact, if I could write a book on Presidential Politics, it would be entitled the Importance of Not Screwing Up.

I have never seen a candidate as green as Obama make so few real mistakes. 

It can't last.


Is that an Edwards endorsement? (0.00 / 0)
"I like Obama's open internet stuff, I think his Social Security and post-partisan stuff is dangerous.  I like Clinton's energy policy, but her top-down autocratic hawkish style is worrisome.  My hope is that liberal cultural and political trends are so strong that leadership can come from outside the Presidential forum."

Since you don't mention him, do you consider Edwards to be "outside the Presidential forum"?

Are you gearing up for an Edwards endorsement, maybe?


Edwards is not relevant any more (0.00 / 0)
I wanted him to win for a while, but I don't see it happening.
If he pulls Iowa, I think that it will just put HRC in the whitehouse.

He's been campaigning in the state for 4 years and he's not a favorite. If he does win, trust the media to say "he's been campaigning there for four years and he doesn't have the money to compete elsewhere".

All he can do is play spoiler.
I think JRE and O have worked out some kind of deal. We'll see.


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If Edwards wins Iowa (0.00 / 0)
it will ignite his campaign just like anybody else's.

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You are Full of Bull (0.00 / 0)
I predict Obama to surge and Hillary to go down which is what is happening.  A week before the Iowa caucuse voters will decide that Obama is risky and Hillary has too many negatives and voters will surge to JRE.  And no the narative will not be that JRE has lived in Iowa, because Hillary and Obama will have outspent JRE three times as much and JRE has been last in the polls for the last six month.  It will look like a comeback for JRE in Iowa.  When he gets to New Hampshire JRE will win there too, and after that it is all over.

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Check the history (0.00 / 0)
Look at Kerry's poll standings leading up to Iowa, he won. To say that Edwards is irrelevant, or to ignore him in articles like this is ignoring the historic precedents. Really, of all the groups out there, bloggers should know that best, and aren't we all about discussion and judging the candidates on their merits? Writing off a perfectly viable candidate is so mainstream media.

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doom (0.00 / 0)
I bet on a shake up after Iowa, but not before.

I disagree, policy matters to the electorate, but only if you communicate differences. Inept messaging blocks your ability to communicate.


Des Moines Debate (0.00 / 0)
http://thecaucus.blo...

Clinton advisers sat that the candidate has been focused on a task of critical importance for her Iowa bid: Prepping for this Thursday's debate, which is seen within the campaign as a key moment in her effort to regain the political momentum that Mr. Obama has been experiencing lately.

It'll be interesting to see what her tactic will be. She could try to land as many blows as possible against Obama, but the Las Vegas debate didn't slow his momentum and the latest attacks seem to have boomeranged back against her. 


The problem w. the hope-caution narrative dichotomy (0.00 / 0)

  that Hart sees as formed around Obama-Clinton is, well, it doesn't leave HRC much room for error. Any glitches and her whole campaign narrative is rattled at its foundations. So, yeah, her people should be tense.


Same as the old primaries (0.00 / 0)
I don't really understand this Presidential primary.  All the candidates look very similar.  I like Obama's open internet stuff, I think his Social Security and post-partisan stuff is dangerous.  I like Clinton's energy policy, but her top-down autocratic hawkish style is worrisome.  My hope is that liberal cultural and political trends are so strong that leadership can come from outside the Presidential forum.

I think overthinking is the problem. I hardly think Clinton's camp is panicking. They remain in solid position and aren't facing a Dean-like meltdown.

The keys to remember are that Obama's just as well-funded and that timing matters. He's gaining at a rate that keeps him in contention without peaking too soon, so he's just proving more of a problem than they imagined last summer.

The Clinton negatives are strong enough in the electorate that there's just little margin for missteps in her campaign. But the only way she'd panic is if her strong support in NY, CA and FL starts slipping into Obama's range.

With Obama, despite his less reliable core demographics, he has few negatives in the eyes of the electorate. "Young and inexperienced" is the only attack point on him in the minds of main street voters.

And Edwards appeal can't hardly be dismissed. His erosion plateaued awhile ago so no-one's successfully dragging his core away. Should he come in in Iowa first or second, he could gain at the expense of the other two in subsequent primaries.

And few who are concerned about 'electability' should dismiss the reality that he has the best chance of the three  in a general election to win a Southern swing state (except Florida, where Hillary has a good shot).

I think there's significant differences in these three candidates. I think all three can win the general election because each has strengths that differ, but all are stronger than any the GOP has.

Democratic insiders, especially the DLC, has pushed that electability narrative for 5 straight elections and it has hardly proven an effective way to achieve victory. (It's useful only to weed out the marginal).

The 'Village' that Digby refers to, as well as innovative activists like you and Chris (et al) could gain some perspective by getting bloggers to ask open-ended questions of main street voters across the nation what will drive their votes. Not push-polling.

The feedback I get is that exiting Iraq, challenging Bush forcefully and consistently (without insulting moderate Republicans for Bush's crookedness), pushing healthcare, attacking obscene oil profits, and sharing their other economic concerns, remain the soundest formula.  Us activists aren't thrilled with Obama's call for non-partisan ship call, but where it helps is that when we say "Republicans suck" we insult lots of voters, including Democrats who are friends or family with Republicans.

That's something Obama's tapped into a bit. I do wonder if he'll have the steel to be more negative in the general campaign, as that's necessary imo. His staff, though, is hardly a bunch of amateurs, so I suspect he'll prove up to the task.

I can't predict the outcome, but that's okay. For myself, only one of the three causes me any serious concern at all, because I just haven't seen any record of accomplishment nor do their issues come close to aligning with mine. I can enthusiastically back Edwards and Obama, though.


People vote on hope and likeability (0.00 / 0)
People rarely vote on policy nuances unless their are major differences like war and peace.

They vote on likeability and a vision for the future not a looking back on the past.

I am old enough to remember the 1960 race where every body said that Kennedy was to young had not enough experience and would lose to the more experienced Nixon.

Obama reminds me of Kennedy, that is why he has momentum. He has electriciy and he will dis-appoint the blogsphere who are much more policy orientated. If we were back in 1960 the blogsphere would be supporting Adlai Stevenson and would have dis-trusted Kennedy


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I dunno (4.00 / 1)
Obama reminds ME more of Howard Dean. Right down to the avalanche of momentum, the poll leads, the celebrity events, the huge crowds, the fundraising, the young and independent-minded base, the "creative class" bundlers, and on and on.

They aren't much alike as speakers or in terms of background, but the campaigns are spitting images of each other.

I expect their campaigs to end more or less the same way, on a pyre of unelectability (and like Dean, Obama's fate will be completely undeserved).


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Obama (0.00 / 0)
I see that Stoller appreciates Obama's open internet policy, but then calls his post-partisanship position "dangerous."

What about Obama's re-orientation of foreign policy.

http://www.nytimes.c...

I don't normally link to Roger Cohen, but it's been clear to me from the beginning that Obama would shift American foreign policy more so than any of the other candidates, and obviously has put a lot of thought into the matter.  The difference with Clinton here is clear, by choice of policy (diplomatic focus, meeting with adversaries) and choice of advisers (Hillary's pro Iraq War hawks, Obama surrounding himself with people right about the war).

I think Obama's foreign policy is one of the most important merits of his candidacy, and would appreciate it Stoller and Bowers acknowledged that like Yglesias and Klein have.

Also, on post-partisanship, Obama talks a good post-partisanship game, but his record is to the left of Clinton.  If he can neutralize the right the same way Reagan neutralized the left in the 1980's, I see that as a great asset for passing progressive policy.  Plus, the country is sick to death of partisanship.  The post-partisanship frame is one of Obama's strongest selling points.  The thing is, Obama can accomplish it without caving to the right.  Even on Social Security, where he's been derided by Krugman et. al., his solution is very progressive.  I view post-partisanship as an asset, not a liability.


The column is a cut above WaPo on Obama rumors (0.00 / 0)
There is very little substance in this Bloomberg piece. I think Albert Hunt was told to go out an find the campaign's vulnerabilities, since Hillary's vulnerabilities have been covered ad nauseum. Maybe they thought they could print something fresh, or innovative.  I notice Huffington had it as a lead story for a few hours, but they are always quick to pull the trigger on the Clintons. This article would be ludicrous if there were not Fox News and WaPo with much lower lows.

I've almost decided not to vote in the Pres. primary.  Any of the Dems can do so much better than any of the Reps.  I'm thinking more about the composition of the House and Senate.  We, the people are going to have to hold the lower levels accountable, because with all the cash pouring through the system, the upper level might be virtually untouchable.


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