The Absence Of Left-Wing Power In the Democratic Primary

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 18:10


In 2004, according to entrance polls, 57% of the participants in the Iowa caucus self-identified as liberal. Because of this, it makes me wonder who Clinton and Obama are trying to appeal to in the "liberal questionnaire response" incident yesterday. From First Read this morning:

Regardless of how one defines electability, does anyone get the sense that Team Clinton is feeling the pressure? Yesterday, it held a hastily arranged conference call with reporters, seizing on a 1996 Obama questionnaire (displaying his liberal positions on abortion, guns, and health care) that a rival campaign gave to the Politico (there are more questionnaires out there, by the way, which aren't flattering for Obama).

Several rationales can be given for calling a press conference over this questionnaire, but no matter what the rationale may be, the heart of the matter is that the Clinton campaign called a press conference to further the implication that Obama is too liberal.  If it is about electability, then the implication is that Obama can't be elected because he is too liberal. If it is about holding consistent positions, then it is about a flip-flopping Obama abandoning his core, liberal views. If it is about the views expressed in the questionnaire, then it is straightforwardly about Obama being too liberal. There is no way to avoid the implication that the Clinton campaign is calling Obama too liberal through this press conference.

Calling Obama too liberal is one thing, but Obama backtracking from appearing liberal is a second, equally aggravating problem:

A week after Politico provided the questionnaire to the Obama campaign for comment, an aide called Monday night to say that Obama had said he did not fill out the form, and provided a contact for his campaign manager at the time, who said she filled it out.

Both the Obama and Clinton campaigns are focused on Iowa right now, where 57% of electorate self-identifies as liberal. And yet, Clinton is heavily implying that Obama is too liberal, and Obama is running away from the implication that he is a liberal. Why is this happening? How can the two frontrunners be running away from the majority of the electorate they are trying to win? Why is being painted as left-wing something Democrats try to avoid like the plague, even in a campaign when the majority of the electorate identifies as left-wing?

The lack of left-wing power here is stunning. This entire questionnaire incident demonstrates that leading Democrats are still more interested in appealing to a media and political establishment that views being called left-wing as a dangerous attack than they are interested in appealing to left-wing voters. How can liberals expect to have meaningful power in a Clinton or Obama administration if, when faced with a majority liberal electorate, they consider the term to be an attack? How much more power would liberals in Iowa need before the specter of being called left-wing no longer haunts Clinton or Obama? 70% of the electorate? 90%?

The way the campaigns have reacted to this incident strikes me as emblematic of the power deficit facing progressives with the Democratic Party as a whole. Somehow, even though we have the majority, we are not really in charge. This is why Democrats have decided to stop running on Iraq, even though it is still the top issue in the country and voters overwhelmingly prefer Democratic positions on Iraq. The Hoyers, Schumers, and Emanuels of the party don't want to run on Iraq, have never wanted to run on Iraq, and they remain the people mainly responsible for what Democrats decide to campaign on. And so, we don't run on Iraq.

As I explain in the extended entry, this also has an impact on who I intent to support in the primaries.

Chris Bowers :: The Absence Of Left-Wing Power In the Democratic Primary
I have to say, that unless something big changes among the second-tier, this incident is also the final straw that would push me over the edge and begin favoring Edwards. Consider First Read's take on the electability struggle that came just before their description of the quesitonaire incident:

Now each campaign will push back on the others' claims to electability: Clinton foes will say she can only win a general election with 271 electoral votes and 50%+1; Obama foes will argue that if he faces Giuliani in the general, he'll be forced to defend turf in the Northeast that Clinton wouldn't have to; and Edwards foes will say he's taken too many liberal positions to look mainstream by the fall.

If, compared to the rest of the top tier, the main charge against Edwards is that he is too liberal, then sign me up. Even though I am clearly obsessed with Barack Obama, since I write five times as much about him as I write about any other Democratic candidate, I was already leaning toward Edwards anyway. It has been an extremely difficult decision making process, but I want to have someone in the top tier to cheer for the night of the Iowa caucuses. If Clinton will attack Obama for being too liberal, and Obama will run away from the charge rather than meeting it head-on, then yeah, I'll cheer for Edwards.

I don't think there is significant separation between Obama and Edwards on the core policy list I produced last week, but I do think Obama and Edwards are better than Clinton when it comes to that list. Outside of the core policy list, time and time again it seems that Obama considers liberals and the DFHs to be a political liability from which he will distance himself. Clinton, while hardly perfect in this area, is also ahead of Obama in this category. The end calculation is that if I am going to cheer for someone in the top three, right now it seems like I should cheer for Edwards. I reserve the right to change my mind, and I'm also not at the point where I am ready to do any activism for his campaign, however. It just means that, of the top three, right now I think I would rather see Edwards win Iowa than Obama or Clinton. The questionnaire incident was the straw that broke the camel's back.


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mirrored on the right (0.00 / 0)
Republican nominees are running to the left on global warming and AIDS.

It's weird - look at the attacks on Huckabee coming from the left on the AIDS issue.


We won the rhetorical battle on those issues (0.00 / 0)
Everyone tries to talk progressive on global warming and AIDS, even if their policies don't match up.

But, overall, on immigration and terrorism, the Republicans seem to be trying to our right-wing each other. I wish there was more of the opposite on the Democratic side. We have seen it, to some degree, on Iraq and health care, but it tends to be spotty.

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I don't think Obama is running away from accusations that he is "liberal" (0.00 / 0)
He's certainly running away from this questionnaire, but I don't think that by doing that he's trying to appear conservative. He's dodging an attack by claiming the the questionnaire itself is illegitimate, and if he didn't fill it out, he has every right to point that out.

  And I haven't head Obama attack anyone for being too liberal. The day I actually hear that, I will be annoyed.


No sorry, that doesn't wash (0.00 / 0)
You don't pin questionnaires on your campaign managers. This was, what, a U.S. House primary we're talking about? There couldn't have been more than 2-3 staff. Even if it's true that his manager filled the form out without his approval (which would be extremely odd anyway) it's still Barack Obama's name on the thing. You do NOT disavow questionnaire responses. You can say your positions have evolved over the years, but that's it.

This is a minor flap, but it says to me that a) Obama isn't used to playing this game, and b) He really is concerned about his very liberal positions on issues. Or at least the positions he used to have, which may conflict with what he's been saying on the campaign trail.

Full disclosure: I do NOT support Hillary. I support Edwards.


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Agreed (0.00 / 0)
He should've said he filled it out and explained it as a personal evolution of his political beliefs.  It's not a stretch.  It's not like he pulled a Romney here.

See my post below though for how the term "liberal" causes problems for all the Democrats.  I don't think Obama, Edwards, or anyone will be able to change the public's opinions on that term.  It's been dragged through the mud since the 1970s.


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The appropriate response (0.00 / 0)
"He should've said he filled it out and explained it as a personal evolution of his political beliefs.  It's not a stretch.  It's not like he pulled a Romney here."

Yeah, that would have been an acceptable response. But what the campaign did instead seems to be another case of not wanting to associate with the DFHs.

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Here's another question (0.00 / 0)
  If the majority of Democratic primary voters consider themselves liberals (and I have no reason to doubt that), why isn't John Edwards running away from the pack in the polls?

  I know Edwards is underfinanced. But so is Mike Huckabee. And HE's not having any problem getting traction.

  I'm not being glib -- I get this question all the time from my Republican family. "If Edwards is the closest thing to a true Democrat in the race, why isn't he drawing more support?"

 

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Maybe (0.00 / 0)
Not everyone agrees on what a liberal is.

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Due to the complexity of the IA caucus.... (0.00 / 0)
.....................process it is by no means clear that John Edwards is not:

'drawing more support?'

No one in the corprorate owned, remember six companies own every radio, TV station, newspaper and cable station in the U.S., wants a real progressive to get his/her message out.

So they don't allow it.

I think there will be a surprise in IA because if Chris is starting to think this way what do  you think is going through the minds of the Democratic IA caucus goers.

I doubt me very much they've been impressed with Clinton's flip-flops or Obama's 'Oprah Moment'.

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In fact (4.00 / 1)
Edwards actually does better among self-identified moderates and conservatives than he does among self-identified liberals.

I think the explanation is simply that people vote more on identity than they do on policies. Both are ideological, but only one fits into the left-right-center continuum.

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Identity (0.00 / 0)
Is that why it has been so difficult for you to get behind Edwards? Because culturally, you identify more with someone like Obama than someone like Edwards?

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if you don't declare soon (0.00 / 0)
your opinion won't count anymore than mine.

I can't strongly declare (0.00 / 0)
If I don't strongly believe something. My writing shows that I am more interested in Obama on a gut level, but the intellectual analysis tells me to go with Edwards. I'll trust my mind for now.

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So, what should Obama's strategy be? (0.00 / 0)
Obama seems to be trying to correct some of the flaws of Howard Dean's campaign, such as not allowing an antagonistic relationship to develop with the media.  I think that what Obama should want to avoid in Iowa is some version of the Dean-Gephardt "murder-suicide" negative attack volley where a third party comes out the winner.

I think that Obama could consider a sort of rope-a-dope strategy encouraging a seemingly desperate Clinton campaign to launch a few too many attacks, allowing for a media-assisted counterpunch that paints her as a mean and over-aggressive harridan.  If Obama can wait until Edwards fades, then he can go on the attack and perhaps start ramping up his post-partisan rhetoric into claims that Hillary Clinton is just another corrupt, typical inside-the-beltway, East Coast establishment politician.  That's one plausible strategy.

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Mr. Hope (0.00 / 0)
I love how so many Obama's supporters include destroying Hillary Clinton with personal, and sexist, attacks as part of their post-partisan, new way strategy.  A new kind of politics, indeed.

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For Obama or Edwards to Win (0.00 / 0)
They have to drive up Hillary Clinton's negatives.  I just openly acknowledge that and suggest possible paths to doing so.

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That assumes that Edwards fades (0.00 / 0)
Which, though long predicted, doesn't seem to actually be happening. Which is a problem for the other two campaigns - in a three way race trying to remove one of your competitors may just put the other one over the top.

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Liberal? (0.00 / 0)
I think you may be overreacting, Chris.  Clinton and Obama have both taken plenty of positions that are liberal and/or would be denounced as liberal.  Clinton's complaint that Obama doesn't offer universal healthcare coverage is a complaint that he isn't liberal enough, in fact.

As I read the coverage, the questions focused on re the questionnaire were 1) banning handguns and 2) opposition to the death penalty.  There's probably a closer "liberal" position on 2 than 1, but I don't think there's a universal liberal position on either issue.  I think there is a real question about the gun stuff and how it would play in November.  Recognizing the answer Obama gave could be an issue for him, I don't think is calling him too liberal except to the extent it assumes a liberal orthodoxy about guns and the death penalty that I don't think actually exists in the Democratic party.


Obama and Clinton (0.00 / 0)
I understand they both have some good policy positions. As I stated in the post, I don't see any real separation between Edwards and Obama on the core list of policies I was looking at. And yes, Clinton is better than Obama on health care.

And yes, they will both be attacked as "liberal" or "secular progressive" or whatever. They all will. I'm more interested in finding a candidate that won't engage in such attack him or herself.

As far as this being an over-reaction, I don't consider it a particularly strong reaction. It just means, on an intellectual level, I am now leaning toward Edwards. As far as feeling it in my gut, or jumping into the activism pool, that is another matter.

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Time is running out to do either, Chris. (0.00 / 0)
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Be that as it may, it's good to see you 'thinking out loud' about this.

I'm well-known Edwards supporter for quite a few reasons I like him on electabiltiy, policy and presentation; he's solid on all of these. I vastly prefer him to Obama, I will not vote for him, because I consider Obama a sellout. His absences on critical votes regarding principles vital to a progressive nation, FISA free speech, his attacks using ReichWing frames on people generally considered to be 'real' progressives, his willingness to buy into ReichWing frames when discussing policy, for whatever reason, all of these make me conscious of a bad smell emanating from his campaign. Yeah, he says he's gonna be great on net neutrality and associated issues. I don't believe him. Too many instances, many posted about here, where he says one thing to one group and another to a different constituency. Call it Lieberman disease. I do.

But nothing, absolutely nothing is more indicative of the problems inherent in his approach to campaigning, to politics in general than the behaviour of his supporters here in the blogosphere. The violence of their language, their personal attacks and their willingness to twist Obama's and his opponents words into caricatures of the speaker's original intent demonstrate a similarity to the eliminationsts and fascists of the other side I find.

Unacceptable.

My opinion, for what it's worth.

I hope you will get behind Edwards for I believe he is sincere in his rhetoric of change and I also feel he is capable of moving the progressive agenda forward.

Plus he whips the hell outa Huckabee!

Off to Drinking Liberally, Oakland. Talk to ya later.

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Media (0.00 / 0)
I think this leaves Obama in a tough spot.  The problem is that the media piles on, and liberal has become equated with latte sipping, gay marriage loving, tax hiking Prius driving coastie hippies.  I don't think Obama can change how that term is viewed.  Twice as many Americans identify themselves as conservative that do liberal.  This is not because Americans are overwhelmingly conservative.  It just conforms to the MSM's narrative.  In the general, being labeled a liberal will be a liability in the press.  I hate it, but it's true.

I've always been in favor of dumping the term all together and going with Progressive, which has yet to be slimed in the mainstream like liberal has been.  It seems to be gaining traction, with each of the candidates enthusiastically embracing the term.  I don't see the word "liberal" making a comeback anytime soon.  Even if all of us here would be glad to call ourselves liberals.

If John Edwards was accused in the same manner of being liberal, I'm not sure how he would respond.

Regarding Schumer and Emmanuel, I've never seen such idiocy in the leadership......since 2004.  Ignoring Iraq and focusing on "kitchen table" issues is what lost us elections in 2002 and 2004.  In 2006, the Dems ran on Iraq and won.

The "surge" everyone's praising as a victory has brought violence down to 2006 levels, hardly a triumph.  I find Emanuel, Hoyer and Schumer's strategy baffling.


So what are progressive? (0.00 / 0)
Non-hippie liberals?  Actually, I kind of like that definition, but then I've always had a little bit of an inner Eric Cartman.  Whatever one thinks of hippies, though, we should protect the progressive brand by excluding from it certain radicals who are too extreme.  How extreme is "too extreme" is a debatable topic.  I've met a few self-described Marxists and Maoists and I would definitely want to exclude them.

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He doesn't have to resusitate liberal (0.00 / 0)
But that is hardly the only way he is working to avoid being viewed as left-wing. He doesn't even call himself progressive, despite how popular the term is. He instead calls himself "post-ideological," or something.

He really doesn't want to be viewed as left wing. He has made that pretty clear in this campaign, and even before he started running.

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Race and Sex (4.00 / 1)
I also don't think it's a coincidence that the female and black candidate are more leery of the liberal tag than the Southern White Male.  Polls have repeatedly shown that people tend to view John Edwards as the most conservative of the three.  Given that his policies are generally considered to be at least as liberal, and often more liberal, than Clinton's and Obama's, the explanation appears to be his race, sex, and/or Southerness. 

The coverage of Clinton, in particular, has been a misogynistic nightmare, which, IMO, liberals have been terrible at noting or fighting because they don't want her to get the nomination. Obama has fared better, but if he's the nominee I expect us to be horrified by the latent (and blantant) racism that is to come courtesy of the GOP, if not the MSM.

Clinton and Obama have enough baggage to carry without having to worry about rescuing the word liberal. 


The word liberal (0.00 / 0)
That didn't even come up in the questionaire incident. Really, I was just using the term here as though was interchangeable with being left-wing. It isn't, I know that. But that is the way I was using the term.

I also can't remember really any examples of southern white men trying tack hard to the left in order to secure progressive votes. Seriously, can you think of any southern white men who try to out progressive other Democrats? I don't think that explanation flies.

Obama could call himself a progressive and not face any reprecussions, but he doesn't. Progressive is the most popular ideological term in America, but he perfers to call himself "post-ideological." It is his decision. I don't think African-American and women candidates are somehow more damaged by calling themselves progressives than other candidates. Clinton calls herself progressive all the time.

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Clinton Calls Herself Progressive (0.00 / 0)
I understand that a lot of folks may disagree, but she has embraced the term and I think it does describe a lot of her policy positions, particularly domestic policies, and her voting record on most issues (sadly, not foreign policy).

My point about Edwards is that it's easier for him to embrace left-wing positions, to some extent, or to not run from the framing terms because he is less likely to be smeared with the term "liberal" because of his race and sex.  People see him as more conservative simply because he's a white guy with a Southern accent. 

Now, there's some benefit to this - if a minority or woman feels the need to sound more moderate, then they may end up taking more moderate positions.  The problem with that argument is that essentially means that, all other things being equal, Democrats should nominate the white guy.  I know that's not what you mean, but I think it's true that there are things a woman or African American will have to say to make them palatable to America - because of assumptions made about them because of their race and sex - and that some of those things are going to make them sound less appealing to liberals.


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Sorry, I missed (0.00 / 0)
your final point about Clinton, which as you can see, I agree with.

I should also have added that, despite everything I've said, I hate Obama's post-partisan talk for reasons others have discussed here and at mydd.  I don't think you have to make yourself non-partisan to win, no matter your background.

I do think female and African American candidates have to make themselves sound more "moderate" on some issues.  Can't have some scary lady or black man taking all the guns away, can we?


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Iowa context (0.00 / 0)
Compared to Iowa's Democrats in Congress, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama look less progressive.  Obama's 2007 scor of 81.82 would place him 219th in the House.  Hillary's 90.39 is still below average.  However, one problem with Progressive Punch scores is that they penalize some (but not all) missed votes, characterizing some of them as "conservative."  This will tend to drive down the score of candidates.

Within that framework, Tom Harkin has a higher PP score than either Clinton or Obama both in 2007 and for a career score (although he is very close to Hillary for career score.  David Loesback and Bruce Braley score better than the two candidates as well (again, Braley is not terribly different from Harkin or Clinton).  Clinton and Obama score way higher career wise than Bush Dog Leonard Boswell.

There really may be room for a more progressive candidate in the Iowa caucuses.


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Holding action (0.00 / 0)
I want to have someone in the top tier to cheer for the night of the Iowa caucuses. I'm afraid that is the problem Chris -- serious progressives don't have anyone to cheer for in the top tier. Not there.

So this election becomes about what we can do to prevent such a sorry state of affairs continuing permanently in the Democratic party. This election, at the Presidential level, is a holding action.

Can it happen here?


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