Funny.... (0.00 / 0)

I was thinking about how we have been becoming more and more like the Soviet Union was in the past few weeks. From the almost zero turnover in our Congress to the 'Pravdaisation' of the press we are now far more like they were than ever before.

I know that historians have written extensively on this and there must be some theories being put forth about it.

Will Google same now.

Clearly we are in for a long fight against those who quite clearly back Reid, Pelose (she gets no pass from me), Hoyer, Rahmbo, Clinton, Lieberman and the rest of the 'Democrat' Party.

History, if we win as we will, will not be kind to these modern day know-nothings allied in a radiation spawned mutation with the uber-rich and Xtian Zombie Death cultists.

Reid could hardly be more 'comfortable' with the President if Romney was in office.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.

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by: ACitizen @ Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 19:54:50 PM CST

Rahm Emanuel (0.00 / 0)

Not to sound like a broken record (uh, maybe too late), RAHM is the one who has to agree to have the House play hardball with the senate in conference.

He's the guy behind the curtain in the House.

For some reason, it seems that Obama has some pathological and deep-seated psychological need for Republicans to like him.  Seriously.  It's weird.

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by: avenged savant @ Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 21:47:01 PM CST

Capitualtion (0.00 / 0)

We really need to use a new word to frame these very important issues. Every time I hear "capitulation" I feel like I'm reading the possible side-effects on a bottle of Viagra.

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by: GregNYC @ Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 23:26:57 PM CST

Who was the cowardly one ... (0.00 / 0)

in the Wizard of Oz?

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by: Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle @ Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 00:09:44 AM CST

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Lion! Roar! (0.00 / 0)

The Lion. Even he finally capitulated.

Seriously, though, we need a new word to frame these debates.

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by: GregNYC @ Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 00:45:44 AM CST

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Assimilation. (0.00 / 0)

Prepare to be assimilated. 

Resistance is futile.

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by: Taylor @ Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 06:29:49 AM CST

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Betrayal (0.00 / 0)

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.

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by: Sam L @ Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 09:11:49 AM CST

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What's in this for Reid? (0.00 / 0)

  What advantage could Harry Reid possibly feel he's gaining by pushing this deeply un-American FISA bill?

  There's no popular support for telecom immunity. There's no POLITICAL advantage to the Democrats for granting it.

  I can see why the Republicans didn't sweat their 2006 "losses" too much. Harry Reid has delivered for Bush in ways that Bill Frist never could.

 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn

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by: Master Jack @ Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 11:02:36 AM CST

it seems to me that (0.00 / 0)

there are two possibilities:

1.  He knows telecome amnesty has 60 votes, so he is just avoiding a losing fight. 

2.  He is in favor of telecom amnesty, either because he sympathisez with the telecoms and/or the govt, or because he and other Democratic leaders are implicated in the scandal.  (Think Pelosi et al. knowing about the torture.)

I suspect all of these are true.
 

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

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by: Hopeful in NJ @ Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 11:13:36 AM CST

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It's called... (0.00 / 0)

..............cash, The Moolah, da geetus, bling, the do-re-me, scrillah, you know homes..

It's about the cheese and how much of the Telcomm's will end up in Harry's pocket. Dude got him a whole lot o' grandkids. An' I heah College be expensive...you know?

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.

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by: ACitizen @ Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 17:26:44 PM CST

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House leadership is not committed to opposing retroactive immunity per se (0.00 / 0)

I am not under the impression that leadership cares all that much one way or another in regards to retroactive immunity.  What they do care about is passing a FISA bill of some sort, which is where the issue of retroactive immunity comes in.

House Republicans, as far as I can tell, will oppose literally any Democratic FISA bill, regardless of what's in it, because that's been their strategy on most legislation for the last few months.  As such, in order to get to 218 votes, Pelosi will probably need at least 205-210 Democratic votes.  Holt, Nadler and some of those folks will, I think, vote against any bill with retroactive immunity.  That means that it's going to be a really close count even if all of the non civil libertarians vote yes.  If Conyers, Bobby Scott and/or Jesse Jackson Jr. puts up a fight and leadership loses a big chunk of CBC votes as a result, I don't think there'll be enough votes to pass the bill.  That said, Conyers, Scott and Jackson may not do that.

I guess the point of the comment is that it's hard to know if there's a bill that'll get to 218 in the House and 60 in Senate.  This is probably why Sen. Specter's Scottish haggis shifting immunity to the government proposal is getting marked up soon, as far as I can tell.

John McCain

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by: djm84 @ Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 12:41:18 PM CST

Betrayal is the word I would go with... (0.00 / 0)

After all, as I've read somewhere, the fourth amendment is not optional, either you support the rule of law or you do not, WTF? are these congress critters doing???

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by: KC Bill 13 @ Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 08:46:34 AM CST

Betrayal is the word I would go with..., part 2 (0.00 / 0)

And by the way, lets do something about it. Call Clinton's and Obama's offices and let them know we will not vote for them if they don't show some leadership TODAY. 

And throw Dodd some turkey for standing up to Bush and supporting our Constitution!

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by: KC Bill 13 @ Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 08:49:35 AM CST