Obama Would Consider Schwarzenegger For Cabinet--More Bipartisan Foolishness

by: Paul Rosenberg

Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 10:19


Demonstrating a profound preference for style over substance, sizzle over steak, Barack Obama has said that he would consider appointing Arnold Schwarzenegger to his cabinet--apparently in total ignorance of the vast gap between Schwarzenegger's posturing and his actual record.  While two other Republicans Obama cited have substantial records, Schwarzenegger has repeatedly subverted the very policies he loves to take credit for.

ABC's Political Radar reports:

Paul Rosenberg :: Obama Would Consider Schwarzenegger For Cabinet--More Bipartisan Foolishness
Obama Says He'd Consider Arnold For His Cabinet

December 20, 2007 8:29 AM

ABC's Sunlen Miller Reports: Barack Obama has often said he'd consider putting Repbulicans in his cabinet and even bandied about names like Sens. Dick Lugar and Chuck Hagel. He's a added a new name to the list of possible Republicans cabinet members - Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Obama regularly says he would look to Republicans to fill out his cabinet if he was elected, but at a town hall event in Manchester, N.H., he was pushed to name names.

"It's premature for me to start announcing my cabinet. I mean, I'm pretty confident. but I'm not all that confident. We still got a long way to go," Obama said.

But then the GOP names started to flow.

Sen. Dick Lugar: "He's a Republicans who I worked with on issues of arms control, wonderful guy. He is somebody I think embodies the tradition of a bipartisan foreign policy that is sensible, that is not ideological, that is based on the idea that we have to have some humility and restraint in terms of our ability to project power around the world," Obama said about his Senate colleague.

Sen. Chuck Hagel: "A Vietnam vet, similar approach and somebody I respect in a similar fashion," Obama added.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger: "What (he's) doing on climate change in California is very important and significant. There are things I don't agree with him on, but he's taken leadership on a very difficult issue and we haven't seen that kind of leadership in Washington," Obama said of the California governor.

Go to the flip for more on the reality of Schwarzenegger's record.

Here's an article I wrote back in July, about how  Schwarzenegger fired the head of the California Air Resources Board for being too enthusiastic about fighting global warming--and then lied about it, claiming that the fired official had resigned.  I also refer to an executive order that, like a Bush signing statements, effectively undermined the law it was supposed to reinforce--the global warming law that Schwarzenegger is routinely hailed for.

Promise Like Gore, Deliver Like Bush?
Is Schwarzenegger's Global Warming 'Jolly Green Giant' Act Nothing But Hot Air?

By Paul Rosenberg, Senior Editor
Random Lengths News

    (A slightly shorter version of this article appears originally ran in the print edition of Random Lengths News.)

On Thursday, June 28, the Robert Sawyer, Chair of the California Air Resources Board (CARB), resigned with the hearty thanks of Governor Schwarzenegger.

"Dr. Sawyer took on one of the most critical jobs in all of government: keeping California's air clean and safe," Schwarzenegger said in a prepared statement. "He fought tirelessly for California's bold vehicle emission standards and did an outstanding job launching the world's first low-carbon fuel standard for transportation vehicles."

But it was a lie.

Sawyer did not resign. He was fired. By Schwarzenegger. Apparently for wanting to do too much too quickly to fight global warming.

"I was fired, I did not resign," Sawyer told the L.A. Times almost immediately.  "The entire issue is the independence of the board, and that's why I got fired."

The firing followed Sawyer's vote against a package of three global warming "early action measures" that he regarded as inadequate.

The next Monday, CARB's executive officer, Catherine Witherspoon, resigned, blasting the Administration for duplicity and delay.  "I've had it with contradictory signals from the governor's office, and micromanagement on the side of delay and public statements chastising us for not doing more," she said.

But the lie about Sawyer's firing was only the tip of the iceberg.  The iceberg is Schwarzenegger's image as a pro-environment leader in fighting global warming. derived largely from his signing of AB 32 [PDF] last year, a sweeping law to roll back greenhouse gases 25 percent between now and 2020.  As events have unfolded since Sawyer's firing, not only has Schwarzenegger's "Jolly Green Giant" image taken on an ogreish tinge, a contrasting image of his similarity to fellow Republican George W. Bush has been progressively reinforced.

Last year, Phil Angelides, the Democratic gubernatorial nominee, tried repeatedly to make the link, identifying Schwarzenegger with Bush.  But the rest of the Democratic Party seemed bent on undermining his message, capped by the historic passage and signing of AB 32, which allowed Schwarzenegger to campaign as a champion of the environment.  Just three weeks later, however, Schwarzenegger issued an executive order, S-17-06, which, much like Bush's numerous signing statements, effectively undermined and reversed the law it was supposed to reinforce. 

A key bone of contention in the passage of AB 32 was whether to give priority to direct regulatory measures, or to a market-based "cap-and-trade" system that would allow those who reduce greenhouse gases to sell credits for their cleanup to those who continue generating them-a system that sounds great to businessmen and economics students, but has never worked in practice. Schwarzenegger favored cap-and-trade, but he lost. Cap-and-trade would be allowed as an option in 2012, after a full spectrum of regulatory measures were put in place. S-17-06 not only reinstated cap-and-trade on an equal footing, but shifted responsibility and created an entirely new structure for developing policies.

Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez, principle author of AB 32, responded by saying that S-17-06 "is totally inconsistent with the intent of the law and with the way that it is written."

Sawyer's firing has opened the floodgates to a surge of further comparisons, most notably to Bush's attempts to manipulate the Department of Justice, as epitomized in the US Attorneys scandal.  In both cases, appointees served at the pleasure of those who appointed them, but historically had been left alone to do their jobs with minimal outside pressure. In both cases, the firings involved suspicious timing. In both cases, the firings were initially misrepresented as voluntary resignations. In both cases, highly political close personal aides who lacked policy knowledge played leading roles in politicizing the process behind closed doors.  In both cases, those aides may have broken the law. In both cases, minority rights appear to have been violated. And in both cases, legislative attempts to get to the bottom of what happened have been thwarted by executive refusal to allow some of those responsible to testify about what went on.

A Meddler By Proxy

There are obviously differences as well. Unlike the US Attorneys, Sawyer's position as CARB Chair would rightfully be strengthened by a close working relationship with the governor. Yet, in a letter to Schwarzenegger the week after his firing, Sawyer wrote, "My single regret is that is that you and I never once met during the past 18 months to discuss any of the critical air quality or global warming issues facing California."  In the absence of direct contact, Sawyer wrote, "[Y]our staff has interjected itself in a manner that has compromised the independence and integrity of the board."

"He's not just disengaged. He's a meddler by proxy," said Judy Dugan, research director at the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights (FTCR), "He uses others to carry out jobs he would find distasteful." 

FTCR is one of Schwarzenegger's fiercest critics for his often covert corporate-friendly policies, but was equally critical of Gray Davis for similar, if somewhat less egregious practices.  FTCR has been calling for the firing of Cabinet Secretary Dan Dunmoyer for months. Dunmoyer is a former insurance industry lobbyist who authored a 2002 Karl Rove-styled memo calling for all-out war on the industry's "enemies." Dunmoyer was one of the key aids involved in Sawyer's firing.

As far as timing goes, although Sawyer was only told by Schwarzenegger's chief of staff, Susan Kennedy, five days after the fact, he was fired just after voting against a package of three global warming "early action measures" called for under AB 32, because he regarded the package as inadequate.

"We're beginning a process that's going to save our planet," said San Mateo County Supervisor Jerry Hill, one of two other CARB members who voted with Sawyer. "For that reason, I don't think it's inappropriate for us to move rapidly."

The week Sawyer's firing became public, Schwarzenegger's communications director, Adam Mendelsohn, said that Schwarzenegger wanted CARB to adopt more than the three items-a message consistent with Schwarzenegger's carefully-crafted image, but also another lie.

The next Monday, Sawyer released a transcript of a voicemail message left by Dunmoyer, saying the governor's office was "very comfortable" with the three items, adding, "We really prefer you to stick to the three that we believe are vetted well, that are likely to succeed. That is the direction from the governor's office."

This secret meddling may even have been illegal, since AB 32 expressly states that "The state board [CARB] shall adopt rules and regulations in an open public process."

There were far more early action items generated by that process, according to Angela Johnson-Meszaros, co-chair of the Global Warming Environmental Justice Advisory Committee (EAJC).

"We submitted 31, and they received 96 overall that were outlined in their report," she told Random Lengths. "We were trying to look for things the state could do right now that would have the most benefit, not just for climate change, but for co-pollutants" since communities of color are systematically harder hit by those co-pollutants.

EAJC also tried to protect against poorly-crafted actions that could actually harm low-income communities of color. That's why it recommended against one of the three measures that was approved, a Schwarzenegger favorite, the Low Carbon Fuel Standard.  EAJC cited "serious unanswered questions about the possibility of increasing" co-pollutants, and the threat of increased pollution due to biofuel production, as well as increasing food insecurity. 

Instead EAJC recommendations included well-studied measures dating back to former Mayor James Hahn's "No Net Increase" Plan, such as port electrification, a green ship incentive program, and accelerated replacement of cargo handling equipment-all ignored for now.

Restoring CARB's Independence

Assemblymember Loni Hancock (D-Berkeley) is Chair of the Assembly Committee on Natural Resources, which held a hearing to investigate the firings-a hearing that Dunmoyer and Kennedy both refused to attend, echoing similar refusals by Bush Administration officials. But Sawyer and Witherspoon both appeared.

"Their stories of the continued and unrelenting efforts to water the law down were very troubling," Hancock told Random Lengths. "There is no more important task for our generation than to turn around global warming. We may not have a livable planet to leave our grandchildren," she stressed.

She then patiently explained the step-by-step process within the law that Schwarzenegger has tried to disrupt. Not only has the early action provision been undermined, Schwarzenegger continues trying to push a carbon-trading program, which isn't supposed to even be considered until 2012, after a full spectrum of regulatory measures have been approved.

"We have no model," Hancock said flatly about carbon-trading.  "The European model is widely viewed as having failed, and they're going back to the drawing board."

Also this year, Schwarzenegger's budget plan called for 24 positions at CARB devoted to working on carbon-trading.  The Democratic-controlled Legislature has cut that to two, moving the other 22 position to dealing with cutting emissions.  But after Sawyer's firing, Hancock thinks a more direct approach is called for to ensure the law is independently carried out. Recalling the example of the Coastal Commission, she said it was time to establish fixed terms, so the governor could not just fire someone as will.

Since Senate and Assembly leaders also appoint Coastal Commission members, Random Lengths asked if Hancock and her colleagues were considering that as well.

"Yes we are," she replied. "The mandate of AB32 is so broad and so important that we really need to enlarge the conversation, and recognize we need to bring in both the branches of the legislature."

The legislative counsel is working on language, which Hancock expects will be passed by the legislature in August, as an amendment to an existing bill.

But it appears that Schwarzenegger may be digging in his heels for a fight.

"The ARB has been a very stable board with some members serving for many years," Schwarzenegger spokesperson Bill Maile told Random Lengths.  "We see no problem with the current structure of the board that would requriew such change. And it would not be prudent to reappoint the board when they are in the midlde of implementing AB 32."

Schwarzenegger was eager to add another appointment of his own, however. He quickly sought to end the controversy by appointing a highly-regarded replacement, Mary Nichols, who chaired CARB under Jerry Brown, and held a high-level post in Clinton's Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). At an initial hearing before the Senate Rules Committee, Nichols was warmly received, and she expressed a strong commitment to CARB's mission, including its work with local air boards, such as the South Coast Air Quality Management District (AQMD), which has had serious ongoing differences with CARB for several years now.

AQMD's Executive Officer Dr. Barry Wallerstein responded favorably, telling Random Lengths he was, "Looking forward to working with Mary Nichols.  Chairman Nichols has indicated a desire to work more closely with local air districts and to further enhance CARB's emissions control program.  Such actions would significantly resolve past policy differences between the agencies."

But if Schwarzenegger is expecting Nichols to be a magic charm, perhaps he'd better think again.  As an article by Nicholas Miller in the weekly Sacramento News and Review pointed out, following her hearing, Nichols has at least two troubling signs.  First is her husband, attorney John Daum, who works the other side of the aisle, having represented Exxon in the infamous Exxon Valdez oil spill case Baker v. Exxon. Second is her performance at the EPA, where she played a key roll in promoting an "emissions-trading" approach to pollution control that is not only conceptually identical to what Schwarzenegger is pushing, but that also undermined enforcement, and ultimately collapsed.

Miller wrote:

A June 2000 report by D.C.-based nonprofit Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility documents that Nichols, then-EPA assistant administrator for air and radiation, played an instrumental role in undermining regulations and compliance.

According to the PEER report, Nichols in 1995 touted open-market trading as the "new paradigm for market-based control," referring to a paper by attorney Richard Ayres of the O'Melveny and Myers law firm as inspiration for the new direction.

Furthermore, Miller noted, there was a conflict of interest, since Daum worked for O'Melveny and Myers.

The 1990s were a time during which "business-friendly" Democrats influenced by the Democratic Leadership Council became infatuated with "market-based solutions" that often failed to perform as advertised. Many have since learned better.  At the Senate Rules Committee hearing, Nichols appeared to be one of them.

"Mary Nichols certainly understands the issues, but she's also a longtime creature of the political system in California," FTCR's Judy Dugan cautioned. "The question will be how she balances her instinct to compromise with the urgent need of greenhouse gas reduction."


So, that's the kind of Republican that Obama would consider for his cabinet.  A two-bit lying huckster.

Why am I not surprised?


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Obama -- just what we don't need more of n/t (4.00 / 2)
FDR (4.00 / 1)
Was FDR wrong to include Republicans in his cabinet?  No Stimson, no Knox, no Ickes?  No Henry Wallace, who did eventually switch parties?

If You Would Just Read The FUCKING Diary (3.56 / 9)
I noted that two of the Republicans mentioned actually had credible records.

The problem is not the idea of working with responsible Republicans.  The problem is being able to recognize them.

This is something that any reasonably bright high school student should be able to do.  The fact that Obama can't--or won't--do it is quite telling, IMHO.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Well (4.00 / 1)
You're assuming that Obama can't recognize a huckster, and this is some bungled judgment, not a calculated campaign move.

It could simply be a nod to the importance of California as a Feb 5th state and Arnold's appeal to Independent voters that Obama needs in NH (where McCain's recent rise will likely siphon some of those votes away).

Of course, we could just assume the worst, even though, as you noted, 2 out of the 3 are solid, reality-based, and Lugar is even phenomenal on non-proliferation, and leave no room for the possibility that anything but poor judgment is at play at here.


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He's Not Stupid, He's PANDERING! (4.00 / 3)
I love it!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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And who isn't pandering? (0.00 / 0)
Cause I'll vote for whoever that guy is.

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra

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Usually, Pandering Is That Accusation (4.00 / 1)
Here it's the exoneration.

Talk about "defining deviance down"!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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pandering is somehow avoidable? (0.00 / 0)
Some pandering is always necessary.  You seem to be saying that because he's pandering, he's garbage.  Has his campaign in general been ridden with panders, like, say, Romney?

If Obama is serious about arnold, that sucks.  I suspect he isn't, and he's playing the game.  Really do you think he's that dumb? 

See my other post in response on FDR.  I don't recall that history supports your assertion that FDR was clearly known to be a historically significant reformer prior to 32.  But i may be wrong.


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I Honestly Don't Know What To Think (0.00 / 0)
If Obama is serious about arnold, that sucks.  I suspect he isn't, and he's playing the game.  Really do you think he's that dumb?

I only know that there is no consistent explanation I can come up with that makes Obama look good.

It's like Rashomon.  Maybe you can't tell what really happened, but whatever it was, it was ugly.

But to answer your first question, basically, it's like I said of Gore when he came out for keeping Elian Gonzales in Florida:  "He gives pandering a bad name."

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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What's Telling (4.00 / 1)
Is that you are an absolute and total asshole.  You are the most arrogant jerk I've ever encountered online.  How the hell you've managed to get front page attention at Open Left is beyond me.  You have no manners at all.

The problem is not the idea of working with responsible Republicans.  The problem is being able to recognize them.

This is something that any reasonably bright high school student should be able to do.  The fact that Obama can't--or won't--do it is quite telling, IMHO.

Obama names three Republicans, two good, one that you don't like, and you think that he isn't as "bright" as a high school student.

You have the manners of a high school student.


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Perspective (0.00 / 0)
Paul,

I enjoyed worked with you on that project back in 2004, but I have not really been that impressed by your perspective since you became a front pager here.  Perhaps it is simply because you advocate for a stronger partisanship that I am comfortable with.  A bitter divide that I think is not good for the country or the party.

I think that the Governor of CA was much better as a movie star and I have trouble figuring out which cabinet position I would like to see him in, but he has significantly moderated since his setbacks with those petitions.  Anyway I seem to recall the CA's Lieutenant Governor would be better for CA than Arnie.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama


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I AM Quite Partisan. (4.00 / 1)
There are good Republicans.  Unfortunately, they are all in the last millennium, not this one.

Look at Pete McCloskey.  It's not just that once ran for President in the Republican primaries.  It's deep in his bones. His family was a pillar of the California Republican Party, going back to the 1880s or so.  And he finally just gave up, and re-registered as a Democrat.

What you have to understand, Luam, is that I'm a radical, not a liberal.  I'd be on the left wing of a European social democratic party.  The Democrats aren't even a left-wing party in the international scheme of things.  They are a centrist party.  That puts the GOP--at it's best--about three or four standard deviations away from me. And the GOP hasn't been at it's best in a tong, long time.

So, me being partisan--rather than, say, attacking the Dems relentlessly as fundamentally collaborationist--is already an extremely pragmatic, forgiving sort of stance, given my fundamental political orientation.

So, please, take that into account when trying to understand me, okay?  You don't have to agree with me.  But I like to be perfectly clear about where I'm coming from.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Makes sense (0.00 / 0)
Personally I part from most of the left wing Europeans I know by being strongly in favor of individual rights.  The real lefties I knew were not to keen on freedom from government control of their lives, and some went into the ant-democratic range in my opinion.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama


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Oh, Grow Up! (Please!) (0.00 / 0)
I'm a snarky dude.  Deal with it.  It's part of my personality.  Not all of it.

If I'm the most arrogant person you've encountered online, you have lead a sheltered life.

I don't think you even know the meaning of the word. Arrogant people never back up anything they say.  Arrogant people never admit confusion or mistakes.  (Heck, just yesterday I confessed to having misjudged John Fucking Lennon.  How many people will do that?)

I'm not arrogant just because I speak my mind.

I'm not arrogant, I'm....(wait for it).... audacious!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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WTF? (4.00 / 3)
Just look at Lugar's and Hagel's voting records and then ask yourself, do we want to give these folks even more power? And it's not even necessary. If Obama absolutely must appoint Republicans there are some progressive Republicans with relatively good records to chose from, who have spoken out against the Bush administration's abuses.

Why does Obama need to appoint Republicans in the first place? Bush only had one Democrat in his cabinet, Norman Y. Mineta, and he left in 2006. Does Obama feel weaker than Bush?


Protecting Boxer (4.00 / 1)
Has it occurred to anybody that if Schwarzeneggar is safely caged in the Cabinet, he'll both have to alienate the Republican base and forego any challenge to Barbara Boxer? Having him in the administration would co-opt one of the few Republicans in the country with any crossover appeal.

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Yeah, Right! (4.00 / 5)
Giving him even more bipartisan credentials is the perfect way to destroy him politically.

Genius!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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He'd serve two years for Obama, then fuck Boxer (4.00 / 2)
and run for senate in 2010.  In this scenario, Obama not only promotes Arnold, but fucks over and takes out one of our senior porgressive champions when Arnold serves two years with Obama, honing his bi-partiusan credentials, then runs and beats her in 2010.

The more Obama opens his mouth (just like last night whe I saw that clip of him calling Senator Ted Kennedy "Old, tired, and SPINELESS") the more I want to do the dance with Edwards!!!

For some reason, it seems that Obama has some pathological and deep-seated psychological need for Republicans to like him.  Seriously.  It's weird.


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Precisely! It's Like Being His Volleyball Partner (4.00 / 1)
OMFG!  He said that about Ted Kennedy?

Sorry, dude, but TK has more spine in his little finger than you ever dreamed of.

How can you even imagine someone like that?  He has two super-spectacular brothers.  One President, the other on track to be.  Everyone knows he's just the runt of the litter.  They are both assassinated, and he quite understandably goes into a tailspin, but pulls himself out and becomes one of the most enduring figures in Democratic Party politics.

I'm sorry, but for all his flaws--and he certainly has them--I don't think that more than 1 man in 100 (if that) would still be standing in his shoes, much less functioning at anything like his level of prominence.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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see it for yourself: (0.00 / 0)
watch the video.  Obama actually disses teddy.  I couldn't believe it. 

http://www.huffingto...

For some reason, it seems that Obama has some pathological and deep-seated psychological need for Republicans to like him.  Seriously.  It's weird.


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I Didn't Say I Approved Of Those Choices (0.00 / 0)
They are about what I'd expect from Obama.  However, the men do have solid records of public service.  We may disagree strongly with them, but they are at least arguably members of the reality-based community.  OTOH, the Gropenator clearly is a fantasist of the first order.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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All to reminicent of his bungling... (4.00 / 4)

...interference in the Bay Bridge contracts. His attempt to replace the the central tower with a causeway, which would have made this bridge one of the ugliest in the world, most likely cost the state tens if not hundreds of millions of the taxpayer dollars he's always nattering about.

Ahnuld is one dumb fuck. And I don't say that lightly.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


Almost forgot.... (0.00 / 0)

;.......seems incredible that Obama, man of judgment and wisdom far beyond his years, doesn't know Ahnuld is a moron. Most here in CA do.

But then this seems to be some sort of pernicious stupid virus going around with the Hill wanting to send 'Poppy' with her hubby on a  tour to 'reassure' the community that 'America is Back'.

Somebody send the CDC to check the Senate chambers!

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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Our Diversity conumdrum (4.00 / 5)
Like it hasn't dawned on me that we, as Democrats, can proudly point to a presidential election field that looks like America.  A woman that has a true shot at getting elected president.  A black man that has a true shot.  A "re-invented" progressive Edwards that even Ralph Nader concedes is populist sounding to the point that he might not challenge him, thanks Nader, I think?  And the rest of the field, Richardson, Dodd, Biden and Kucinich all excellent for their own reasons. 
And me, sometimes feeling like an asshole, because I most associate with the progressive white guy Edwards, siding against history and the historic opportunity that Clinton or Obama may bring to the presidency, Ken Burns can be convincing.
But then I step back and see the equivocation that drives me crazy, Clinton and her hyper-defense talk to make sure the military crack-pots don't go apeshit over a "woman" president.  And Obama and his pseudo liberal, well some conservatives and their ideas aren't that bad like social security is F'd up or Schwarzeneger wouldn't be a bad cabinet choice and let me think of a few other whacked out ideas so that certain white people don't go apeshit over having a black president.  yeah, I feel like an asshole.  I think the Clinton and Obama candidacies helped push Edwards to take a more populist, progressive stance to the benefit of the electorate.  In the end, I'll take any of the three.  I am not anti-Clinton and in fact may be one of the few who may go for Clinton over Obama if Edwards fails to catch on.  But here in Michigan I only have two choices anyway, Clinton or uncommitted, for now I'm uncommitted. 
The trade-offs are unacceptable to the progressive revolution the country desperately needs.  Obama is wrong to make this kind of declaration/choice.  He is of the belief that what has held up progress in America has been the failure of the two parties to find compromise and ultimately solutions.  Sorry, no.  Social Security was not adopted through compromise and solution.  The GOP fought the democrats tooth and nail and have spent 70 years trying to dismantle one of the most successful social/government programs in human history.  The same is true of medicare, the same is true of the UN, environmental cleanup, banking reform, etc. 
We have to fight them and beat them, Mr Obama, not co-opt them. I hope you realize this sooner than later. 

What are you running for? (0.00 / 0)
Because, if you DO run for something, based on that post I just read of yours, count me in for supporting you.

For some reason, it seems that Obama has some pathological and deep-seated psychological need for Republicans to like him.  Seriously.  It's weird.

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uh nothing, although I have thought about many a times (4.00 / 2)
I am trying to push our master homeowner association to lease or buy windmills to help pay for electricity and also boost the commercial viability of the housing development I live in.  The housing market here in Michigan, if you hadn't heard, is kinda in the toilet.  I'm trying to cobble together a two-fold approach that 2 or 3 windmills could produce enough electricy to supply a "base" level of electricy in the entire development.  It could be advertised as a green innovation, a savings and in general I think boost the sales potential of new homes in the development.  So, there's that.

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Thank you Paul (4.00 / 5)
Arnold Schwarzenegger deserves no place in a Democratic Administration.

1) The man is not interested in details.  He comes up with some grand plan and then leaves it for others to sort out.
2) He is very much a Republican.  While he has a moderate reputation on the environment, much of it is greenwashing. Arnold is a corporatist through and through.
3) You simply can't trust him.  "Say one thing.  Do another" is perhaps the most often used line I have used to describe Arnold.  He does something big and bold.  Ges all the headlines and then immediately works to undermine it.  This AB32 stuff is just par for the course.


I Literally Couldn't Believe The Stories Alan Lowenthal Told Me (0.00 / 0)
Interviewing my State Senator Alan Lowenthal back before Arnold got his butt kicked, I was simply floored by exactly the pattern of behaviour you describe.  If the guy had a brain, he'd really be dangerous.  All he had to do was appoint some reasonably capable fakers to present the appearance of doing policy detail work.  But he simply couldn't be bothered.

Alan was running the Education committee then (he's a former university professor) and dealing with Arnold's attack on teachers and his silver bullets of enhanced credentialing and merit pay. Not only could Arnold not be bothered to send them any legislative language, so they'd have something concrete to work with, he couldn't point to any examples of the problems he claimed he was going to fix.

Lowenthal, of course, being a scientist (psychologist) by training and all reality-based what with doing real work teaching and training others to be scientists as well, was utterly flabbergasted with this slacker attitude.

Ultimately, Lowenthal speculated that it was simply a ploy to be able to turn around and blame the legislature for not doing anything, to help propel him into his initiative special election.  That was probably the case, even though the Gropenator dropped it from his list.

There's something about phonies like Arnold who simply can't tolerate having people of competence and integrity around them.  It just makes them feel too hollow.  So, he can appoint quality people to do jobs at arm's length.  But his immediate inner circle is just full of damaged goods like him.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Can we just be clear on this (0.00 / 0)
It's stupid that he said this. I think we can all agree on that.

But we should also be able to agree that there is no chance that Schwarzenegger would really be in his cabinet. Just because he off hand says it doesn't mean Schwarzenegger has a chance in hell of being in his cabinet. He might say that but there is no chance. And to say that he is even really considering anyone at this point is a flat out lie.

You can point out how bad Schwarzenegger is but why do you have to attack Obama every single time? How about looking at real possibilities for high end cabinet positions like Richard Holbrooke who would do much more damage because he actually has a chance of becoming Secratary of State.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


Then Why Did He SAY It? (4.00 / 2)
Really.  That puzzles me as much as anything.  Why say such a stupid thing if there's no way in hell you mean it?

And it's not the first time I've heard this same excuse for something inexplicable Obama has said.

Look, he's running as a man of the people, not like all those other politicians.  So, for that to be credible, you shouldn't have to use a secret decoder ring to figure out what he's really saying.

I'm sorry, but the more narratives I get explaining Obama to me, the more tangled, confused and mutually contradictory they become.

Bottom line:  I don't think Obama himself knows who he is.  And I can see plenty of good reasons why this would be.  It's been said that aside from his crushing defeat when he challenged Bobby Rush, he's never really had a challenging race, and I think that may be part of it--not just that he hasn't had a challenging race, but that he hasn't had much experience being deeply challenged at all.

He's had difficult chickenshit challenges galore, I'm sure, just from being a black man in America.  But he's obviously incredibly talented, and what I'm talking about is the sort of challenge that really demands the full measure of his talents. That's what I don't think he's ever really had.  That's what it means to me that he "lacks maturity" or "lacks experience." 

So, you see, part of my deep suspicion of him is directly tied to my awareness of his gifts.  It's just that old saw about much being expected from those to whom much has been given.  It's why my sometimes harsh tone toward him does not betoken animosity.  It's frustration, baby.  Disappointment and frustration.

And, deeper down, simply sorrow.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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and maybe a gift is to dodge some big fights (4.00 / 1)
eriposte at leftcoaster really takes Obama to task over his "present" vote 130 times out of over 2000 votes in IL.  A small %, but the votes where he used the "present" tactic were devisive and gave him cover as other IL legislators atest to.  He was clearly being very calculating in these choices and it's dissappointing.  You don't think as an Edwards supporter I'm pissed off that he voted for IWR or other conservative banking related votes.  Only later to state he was wrong.  Honestly, my faith is in Elizabeth Edwards to keep him on the straight and narrow.  I believe that he will fight for the issues he's discussing. 
With Obama, I've stated exactly the same thing, that he's not had the experience of failing, not the experience of a big fight.  He's cleverly navigating around Clinton and I have a certain confidence that his campaign can navigate the brutal and vicious GOP campaign this summer and fall.  However, I'm getting more convinced that there will be alot of political calculating to safeguard a 2012 victory.  This was very costly in 1994/1996.  And the GOP fought to the death on every issue and they will do so again in 2009/2010.  The next president has to go into the office knowing that corporations and industry will fight to the death to keep what they have achieved over the past 40 years and especially the last 8.  I mean look at the energy bill, could it have not been any more watered down?

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True. But What Ever Happened To Nietzsche? (4.00 / 1)
You know: That which does not kill me makes me stronger?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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'We' the citizenry are getting stronger.... (4.00 / 2)

.....as the shift towards Progressive by  the majority polled shows. The body politic is still mobilizing it's immune system against the Fascist viral attack. Many of the first line of defense will be be destroyed before the proper killer T-cells are mobilized.

Those 'cells' to be sacrificed are the ones we now see selling us out or compromising. They don't have the proper progressive 'genes' to attack and kill the disease threatening the body politic. Obama lacks the fundamental commitment to progressive principles needed as does Clinton.

Edwards and Dodd have them as do many other Democratic proto-candidates coming up through the system.

So we are getting stronger as a party. Remember in an evolutionary system, which politics is, the life of the individual, their political life, is of no importance.

Only the transmission of the most fit gene, here the progressive one, matters.

Sorry Barrack, sorry Hillary despite your political gifts you are not equipped to lead in these times.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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Wrong (0.00 / 0)
"Remember in an evolutionary system, which politics is, the life of the individual, their political life, is of no importance."

The individual (or a couple of individuals) are the essence of an evolutionary system based on genetics - which politics is not.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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So true! And it's a very familiar sorrow. (0.00 / 0)
A lot like how I felt when I finally figured out the Bill Clinton con.  Both of them are too smart to believe the crap they're peddling so you have no choice but to conclude that they're full of it. All that talent, wasted. I appreciate all that you're doing to try to help people get a clue. Keep up the good work. One day these Obamabots might even thank you.

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Homework (4.00 / 3)
There are two obvious choices one of whom is routinely, inexplicably, snubbed on this question.  That would be Jim Leach, a real moserate, who represented a Democratic-leaning district in Iowa (in fact easily the most Democratic) for 30 years before losing his somewhat half hearted bid in 2006.  Leach is teaching at Georgetown so relocation is not an issue.  Secretary of Agriculture, anyone?

The second is Lincoln Chaffee, again an easy and obvious choice.  Of course, Chaffee re-registered as an independent but that is part of the realignment going on these days. 

Another pretty obvious pick might be Olympia Snowe.  If she did not have ambitions (and she probably does) Jodi Rell could be chosen.

There are lots of picks better than the listed ones.  What makes Obama gravitate towards the Hagels instead of the Chaffees?  He's seeing one small part and not the whole, not what I'd expect from an obviously smart man.  Unless this is all a con job and that is not so wonderful, either.


Your Problem, David, Is That You Think Too Much (4.00 / 1)
In fact, your problem is that you think at all.

Reflexes, Dude. Reflexes!

    < /snark... no, wait, the snark NEVER goes off...

    "You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I've sent Obama money and I support the man. However, (0.00 / 0)
he keeps running his fucking mouth like he's been and my next check will have John Edwards' name on it.

Can't Obama even TRY to be progressive right now?  Obama, like Hillary ruined herself doing for months and months, is starting to run a GENERAL election campaign a few months too fucking early.

For some reason, it seems that Obama has some pathological and deep-seated psychological need for Republicans to like him.  Seriously.  It's weird.


Does this phrase sum it up well? (4.00 / 3)
With friends like these, who needs enemies!

I'm all for the candidates saying that they'll pick the best person for the job regardless of that person's party -- in other words, let's look at Cabinet and sub-Cabinet positions as requiring expertise, maturity, credibility, etc.  In doing so, it is entirely possible that the Democratic nominee and eventual President will stumble upon a Republican who might be the best fit for a particular post.  BUT, and it is a very large qualifier, can we not start with the Departments where the CW is that Republicans are the only ones who can do the job -- foreign policy and defense.  Or with a Department that is going to so critical in the coming years -- EPA or Energy.

Those have been some of the WORST Republican disasters in the past 8 years and it is time for Democrats to stand up against the stupid idea that Repubs are somehow genetically more capable in those areas.

Sheesh -- give em a seat at the table if you absolutely have to (and I have yet to be convinced you do) but don't give them control of the agenda, for heaven's sake!


i want to see the transcript (0.00 / 0)
The headline makes it out like he suggested Arnold for the cabinet.  The story makes it sound like he said "I would be open to Republicans in my cabinet, I don't know who, but here's a couple people I like" and then cited Arnold for his work on climate change (which I totally agree is bogus).

I don't know, sounds like the reporter made a leap.

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It Was Collaborative, At Least (0.00 / 0)
Of course I agree that it's impossible to tell without the full transcript whether there was any sort of leap or not. ("Consider" is a damn vague word to begin with, after all.) But Obama has clearly encouraged this over time, so it's pretty darned hard to utterly disown it now.

How many times have we seen this sort of thing from Obama, where he says, "No, wait, that was taken out of context?"  Of course the press will try to do that to any Democrat.  That's why you should never start down certain paths--a lesson that Obama still seems unable to learn.

Bottom line for me: Why are we even considering this in the first place?

Does Obama really need to be Arnold's fluffer?  Doesn't he have something better to do?  "Did they just flirt, or go all the way?" is not the sort of question to be asking, don't you think?  But Obama's let it get out there.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Why Don't Reoublicans (0.00 / 0)
ever have to promise to put Democrats in their cabinet or be bipartisan?  That's what pisses me off.  And I do think Obama's bipartisan crap has only fueled the Media's obsessive need to get Democrats to constantly bend to the Republican will.  Because Democrats are weak and Republicans are strong and the media hasn't had an original idea in 30 years.

If there was ever an election when I think it's safe to say that most Americans don't want any more Republicans running federal agencies, it is this one.  They may not love Democrats, but they can't stand Republicans right now.  And what kind of political payback are the Democrats planning to hold Republicans accountable for their ideological crimes against the Constitution?  Putting them in their fricking cabinet.

No wonder the Republicans have held together so well.  Who wouldn't enjoy kicking the crap out of Democrats?  They're such weak little wimps.


Dems Should Just Say, "I've Put In A Call To Abe Lincoln" And Let It Go At That (0.00 / 0)
Why turn an easy joke into a fricken dilemma?

Jeeze, louise!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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