The Myth Of A Polarized Public

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Dec 29, 2007 at 17:52


Descending from the high moral frame of discussing polarization in terms of Martin Luther King's model of Ghandian social change, I want to return to a more mundane, but still highly significant approach: number-crunching reality.  Ideological polarization is vastly overplayed, I argue in this diary.  And in the next, I will look at how partisan sorting of ideology has produced a stronger polarizing effect well beyond the modest ideological shifts of recent years.

Throughout the 1990s, a period of significant budget-tightening, a cross-section of Americans supported increased spending across a broad range of social programs, rather than cutting them back.  The General Social Survey (GSS), which had been posing such questions every year or two since 1972, produced the following cumulative totals for 1992-2000, in response to the question how much are we spending:

GSS National Spending Preferences
> 50% Support For More
 Too
little
About
right
Too
Much
Liberalism
Index *
Not
Too
Much
Improving nations education system55.52222.571.277.5
Dealing with drug addiction52.629.817.774.882.4
Social Security5137.611.481.788.6
Improving & protecting nations health50.52821.67078.5
* Liberalism index = "too little" [liberal position] / ("too little" + "too much") [liberal position + conservative position].

For a number of other programs, the number saying we spent "too little" fell below 50%, but was still much higher than those saying we were spending "too much."  What's more the combined number saying we weren't spending "too much" stayed safely deep inside landslide territory--greater than 60%.  In fact, the combined totals were greater than 70%:

GSS National Spending Preferences
< 50% Support For More
But >70% Support For More Or Stable
 Too
little
About
right
Too
Much
Liberalism
Index *
Not
Too
Much
Solving problems of big cities49.826.124.167.475.9
Assistance to the poor45.627.626.763.173.2
Improving & protecting environment44.230.725.163.874.9
Highways and bridges41.446.112.576.887.5
Mass transportation34.547.218.265.581.7
Parks and recreation29.555.315.166.184.8

These numbers might come as a surprise to many people.  This was, after all the period of "Gingrich Revolution," a wholesale attack on the notion of "big government."  There were suggestions that Congress should be made part-time, like the legislatures of most Southern and rural states, and even President Clinton declared that "the era of big government is over."  The people, evidently, had different ideas-though you'd never know it from the political coverage of the decade.

But the most surprising thing about these numbers is that they are not a cross-section of all Americans. They are a cross-section of Americans who self-identified as the most conservative on a scale of 1 to 7-roughly the most conservative three percent of the population by self-identification. 

Paul Rosenberg :: The Myth Of A Polarized Public
Naturally, self-identification is not a perfect measure. Some of these people are surely mistaken.  Yet, the numbers are generally similar among all who identify as more conservative then not.  There is nowhere across the spectrum of ideological self-identification that opposes such spending. The results are inescapable: American conservatives are, on balance, supporters of big government and the liberal welfare state, despite the fact that those who represent them as conservative leaders feel exactly the opposite.

In fact, most conservatives seem to line up with old-fashioned conservatives like Bob Dole, whom Newt Gingrich attacked in 1983 as being a "tax-collector for the welfare state"-and this is deeply indicative of the change that has taken place among self-identified conservative politicians

As the Republican's presidential nominee in 1996 and their vice-presidential nominee in 1976, Dole's position as a party leader and a conservative were seemingly unassailable. Yet, Dole came back from World War II severely injured. Although he received private help as well, he owed his return to normal life to extensive government-provided rehabilitation services-just as his government owed its continued existence to men like him.  He may have been a conservative-and he was. But he knew from personal experience that government and the people had a bond together, and that honoring and preserving that bond was just as much a matter of conservative principles as it was a matter of liberal ones.  A majority of conservatives who had been through the Great Depression and World War II reached similar conclusions, and so did the majority of conservatives who came after them. 

But the movement conservative politicians of today do not go to war, so much as command others to go for them.  The lessons of social solidarity that all Americans-liberals and conservative-learned from World War II are utterly lost on them.

This is why they are utterly outraged at the emergence of Mike Huckabee as a leading Presidential contender.  Although he comes from a much more intensely and overtly religious subtradition, when it comes to the fundamental responsibilities of government, Huckabee is a Bob Dole-style "tax and spend" conservative.  (Taxing and spending: it's what governments do.  As Yogi Bera would say, "You could look it up.")

Conservatives Are Liberal On Other Issues, Too

Conservative support for liberal positions is not limited to social spending, however, since the liberal character of the American electorate can be across a wide range of issue area. In chapters 2-7, we will examine this in detail. However, a couple of broad-scale approaches provide a quick overview, indicative of what we will find in those chapters.

In his 1999 book, Public Opinion in America (2nd Edition), political scientist James A. Stimson observed that on average people self-identified as conservative over liberal by about 2-1, but had policy preferences exactly opposite-2-1 liberal.  Of necessity, this means that a very large number of self-identified conservatives have generalized liberal policy preferences, going far beyond social spending. 

Throughout the 1980s, another researcher, Tom W. Smith, published a series of studies, beginning with 111 trends in 1982 and concluding with a study of 455 trends in 1989. Smith organized the 455 time series into 17 categories of issue areas. Each was analyzed to see if it remained constant, showed linear movement in either direction, or showed non-linear movement (moving first one way, then another.)  His first measure was simply to count the number of trends in each direction. He found that "54.9% are in the liberal direction and 24.2% in the conservative direction. Liberal trends thus exceed conservative trends by over two-to-one (2.27:1)." The net liberal/conservative score was thus 30.7%.  Smith conducted a series of adjustments, to see if different ways of analyzing the data would produce significantly different results. They did not.

Smith also used a second measure, examining the amount of change-a measure called slope. He found that the net slope-the average slope of all the series-was 0.4 percent per year in the liberal direction.  He also used a more refined measure of slope, a weighted average that takes account of the length of each time-series. Since liberal trends averaged longer than conservative trends on average, this produced a more liberal net slope of 0.47 percent per year.

There was significant variation between categories in all three measures, with race/ethnicity showing the greatest liberal trend by all three measures. On the other hand, crime was the only category showing a conservative trend by all three measures. Indeed, no other category showed a conservative trend using the weighted slope.

Smith also analyzed slope by year, and discovered that the vast majority of liberal trending took place prior to 1974. Combining Smith's findings and Stimson's it seems strongly indicated that America as a whole is a much more liberal country than it was immediately after World War II, but only slightly more liberal than it was in 1974, when Nixon resigned.  This stands in sharp contrast to the political establishment, which is markedly more conservative than it was in 1974.

The Liberal/Conservative Overlap On Issues

Among ordinary people, the categories "liberal" and "conservative" are fuzzy, with lots of overlap, as countless polls have repeatedly shown.  Not only do most conservatives have liberal or moderate attitudes across a wide range of issues, but many liberals also have moderate or conservative attitudes-although not to the same degree, especially on the core spending questions.

For example, if we look at the GSS's cumulative results since 1972, in seven issue areas-national defense, education, the environment, health care, social security, aid to cities and aid to blacks, the difference between self-identified liberals and conservatives ranged from a high of 26.7 percent to a low of 11.6 percent-a million miles away from the 100 percent opposition you would expect from the constant demonization of liberals. 

Even when we turn to so-called 'hot-button' issues, the differences between liberals and conservatives are far from polar opposition. When asked if it should be legal for a woman to get an abortion "for any reason," the GSS showed a difference of 21.8 percent between liberals and conservative.  But when given three choices-should abortion be legal "always," "sometimes," or "never," the difference sank to 12.1 percent.

What's more, the vast majority of that difference did not come from extreme opposition to abortion-the supposedly defining position for conservatives. Among liberals, 7.0 percent said abortion should never be legal. Among conservatives, the figure was 9.8 percent-a difference of just 2.8 percent.  Yet, to hear hardline conservatives speak, you would think that the difference here would be 100 percent-all liberals would oppose outlawing abortions completely, and all conservatives would support outlawing them. Nothing could be further from the truth. 

Next Diary: Collapsing The Overlap: The Gulf Between Issues and Candidates, and More...

Stay tuned...


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people v. power (0.00 / 0)
I think that the issue is that our leadership is increasingly polarized while our population is not.  On many issues this polarization along with bad faith on the part of conservatives in power has prevented good, popular progressive solutions from being implemented.

We need a leader who can implement progressive solutions. I think we can get that with a leader who will reach out to the people who agree with us on each issues and points out it in a way that makes into the national narrative when the other side is operating in bad faith.  Thus far one candidate is good on the former and none have a great track record on the latter.

The point is that there are those who self identify as independents and conservatives who agree with us on the issues.  Most of these are not in power in Washington and are only indirectly guilty of the sins of their elected representatives.  These are potential allies whether or not they ever vote for our candidates.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama


This Strikes Me As A Very Insider-Ish Strategy (0.00 / 0)
for dealing with insider dysfunction.

This gets back to the doubts I expressed in my "Theory of Change" diary.  What happens when Rush/O'Reilly/Hannity/... goes ballistic on him?

I have no doubt that there are situations where this strategy will work. Has worked.  But I just don't think that today's Washington is one of those places.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Insiderish? (0.00 / 0)
I am advocating that we reach out to all Americans and that we not confuse Republican leaders with republican citizens and you say that it is insiderish,  I advocate going over the heads of elected officials and directly to the people and you say its insiderish?

I am saying that today's Washington is dysfunctional and if we want to govern, we have to change that.  If we want to establish progressive electoral dominance we have to change it.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama


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I would use these astounding statistics to.. (0.00 / 0)

.........make the 'Argument Sinister'.

If as Paul is saying here the leadership of the conservative movement was acting contrary to the interests of their 'base' during this period and we see the same thing happening today in the 'Democrat' Party failing to implement it's promises to it's 'base' then.....

....whose bidding were these opposing courtiers of 'Versailles' doing and also...

How were they rewarded for doing so if 'the people' did not do so? Which from what Paul is contending any tangible reward. from the citizenry, seems unlikely.

When physicists note that they cannot solve a problem they always recheck the 'edge conditions' that is: what are the forces in play and what direction do said forces come from. Many of our discussions here peter out at a certain point because I really don't think we've identified all the players in the game.

At my monthly meetups many of us have posited the existence of a 'dark matter' exerting tremendous force on the political process from somewhere off the known stage.

Nor surprisingly this has been given the name: 'The Invisible Conspiracy'.

Any thoughts on this possibility?

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


Systemic Effects (0.00 / 0)
It's not necessarily an outside force.  Rather, it can simply be that when coherent action is stymied, the side deals continue, and become a bigger and bigger part of the mix, until they reach the proverbial tipping point, and initiate a whole new set of operating conditions all their own.

That, in a nutshell, is what I think has happened since Reagan took office in 1980.

The dark matter talk is too damn reminiscent of the Bavarian Illuminati BS for my tastes.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I too agree about the Illuminati reference (0.00 / 0)
but indeed such is the thinking of 'some'. I now have 680 meg of CD which 'proves' this thesis.....

Myself, I have been struggling to bring the ideas of 'Complexity Economics' to bear and your response echoes my thinking in that the 'political fitness space', if you will, has been significantly changed by the conservative ascendancy.

This is kind of exciting to me because if we understood the metrics of the current 'political fitness space' we could be onto a great method for exploring the creation of tools, see 'Battleground Polling Project, for introducing non-linear change into same.

I believe either Chris or Matt posted on the right's success with the media as an example of non-linear change in their favor.

I see the relatively fast deconstruction of Obama's rather sophisiticated, by previous standards, blurring strategy. The guy went from the second coming to two-faced union basher in less than a month.That was interesting.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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Dark Matter is real (0.00 / 0)
so long as you believe in the Newton Mechanics/General Relativity view of gravity.  It's possible that it is evidence that those things are wrong, and that we need a new theory of gravity (TeVeS being the leading candidate) that explains everything that General Relativity does and doesn't need dark matter to accurately predict velocity versus radius curves in galaxies.

Dark matter is the opposite of conspiricism.  It isn't "we've seen this horrible cause, and we're looking for justifications for it."  It's "We've seen this effect we can't understand, let's see if we can find the most reasonable cause."

If some theory of quantum gravity ever becomes viable, about the only check on it that we'll have is whether or not it predicts dark matter and dark energy in the forms we now see them to have.


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While I Loves Me Some Speculative Physics, The Metaphoric Side's A Bit Shakey Here (0.00 / 0)
First off, as Lakoff noted way back with Metaphors We Live By in 1980, metaphors don't map everything, just certain features that are salient for the relationship.

Second, I have to disagree with this:

Dark matter is the opposite of conspiricism.  It isn't "we've seen this horrible cause, and we're looking for justifications for it."  It's "We've seen this effect we can't understand, let's see if we can find the most reasonable cause."

Historically, conspiricism also isn't "we've seen this horrible cause, and we're looking for justifications for it."  It, too is "We've seen this effect we can't understand," only the part about "let's see if we can find the most reasonable cause" gets bollocksed because they're using conceptually inadequate tools, rather like the way the Ptolemaic epicycles got out of hand around the time that Copernicus and Kepler showed up with a more elegant solution.

In fact, one can argue quite convincingly that conspiricism represents the limits of the unassisted populist mindset.  The forces at work are simply beyond the scope of the kinds of conflicting forces that populism readily understands, and so it reduces the complexities into simplistic forms that do damage to precisely the sort of undertanding that's needed.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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WOW! (4.00 / 3)
Tremendous post. Maybe the Dewey-Ike wing of the republican party is not dead.... And the pew research political typology study states that there are three wings to the republican party: Enterprisers (Full-on conservatives, but social conservativism is secondary), Social Conservatives and Big-Government Conservatives... maybe that reflects the attitudes in your analysis.

Definitely! (0.00 / 0)
Pew's "Big Government Conservatives" are a significant part of the mix.

But what's also worth noting is that only a minuscule 1% or so of all Americans wants to get rid of the welfare state.  So even your average Enterpriser isn't really fully down with Grover Norquist.  There's an awful lot of room for wrecking havoc with the GOP if we just went on a sustained offensive of questioning what the hell their leadership is really doing.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Payback (4.00 / 1)
Since they drove a wedge into our coalition in the 80's with social issues to separate the conservative dems (the populists) form the party, maybe we can use old-fashioned "populism" to drive an economic wedge... which would be what FDR-LBJ and maybe Humphrey did, and what Bill Clinton tried in '92

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That Would Be The Logical Thing To Do (0.00 / 0)
So what are the chances the Dems will do that?

Well, not a snowball's chance in hell if the hell Versailles Dems call all the shots, that's for sure.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Not Just the Versailles Dems (0.00 / 0)
Doing so would involve reaching out to economically progressive, culturally conservative-leaning people.  This includes some white Southerners, but it also includes the white Catholics who abandoned the Democrats for Ronald Reagan. I just don't see the Democrats compromising on some "culture war" issues by doing things such as agreeing to some mild restrictions on abortion in order to restore the economic consensus that the New Deal coalition was built around.  Not that I advocating that specific compromise; that's just an example of something where two-thirds or more of America disagrees with the Democratic party line.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

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Salience, Motivation, Context, Etc. (0.00 / 0)
It's not at all clear that such compromises are necessary.  People don't have to like abortion in order to vote for someone who's pro-choice.  Other issues can become more salient.  Or they can change their views, coming to see that banning abortions will not stop them, but only drive them underground.  Or their anti-choice stance y may be driven by a sense of social chaos, whose perceived significance or threat may be fundamentally altered.

The point is, progressives have not even begun to try to deal with this challenge--or any similar one--in anything like a systematic way. The fragmented single-issue structrure inherited from the 1970s is fundamentally incapable of doing this.  This is what really needs changing.  Whether we'll be able to pull it off remains to be seen.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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After all, (4.00 / 1)
abortion is legal in Italy.  If Italian Catholics can live with legalized abortion, then I think that the American Catholic community should be able to be convinced by the same logic. 

Also, if we're courting Catholics, why do dems (especially Kerry, shame on him) forget about the Catholic stance against preemptive war, the death penalty, and care for the poor. 

The Democratic message is just inherently more compatible with the Catholic message than the Republican one is.  We just have to not let them use the abortion wedge to the exclusion of all else.  There is no need to compromise there.


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Precisely! (0.00 / 0)
And why don't we have intensive studies about how Italian activists managed to accomplish that?  Why are we so damn narcissistic as a nation, thinking we have nothing to learn from anyone else?  And why are we just as bad about that on the left?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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What would Martin Luther King do? (4.00 / 1)
I think you miss a couple things in what Paul has been saying today and in recent weeks.

You seize upon abortion as a measure of conservative culture, when that issue isn't cultural at all. Instead, it is a (hot-button) wedge issue that is "salient" for a small minority, which served Karl Rove's 50% plus 1 coalition building strategy.

(1) As Paul points out, in this diary, Conservatives really aren't that conservative on the important "government" safety-net issues.

(2) "Cultural Conservative" is a manufactured concept, pushed by media and pundits. Go back to Paul's more general point from other diaries about the dominance of conservatives in the realm of TV and Newspaper. It isn't even their media ownership per se, rather their attention to speaking in cultural codes, like the yale-educated George Bush talking bubba to get elected in Texas.

The Saint Reagan mythology is insightful, because he basically provides a spectacular and continuing model for conservatives about how to mix cultural metaphors (esp. the good old days) and politics. By touching his aura, the Republicans are trying to claim his mantle (minimal success with this batch), but more successfully they are invoking the Conservative metaphor of Reagan, the idea of a glorious Conservative past, present and future. Those listeners in thrall get it, while the message goes right past the rest of us on the outside. It's like a religious ceremony where everyone around us is falling out, but we aren't a believer, so it just looks weird.

What I remember most about RWR is his earnest tone while speaking the most profoundly idiotic things. He really did a great acting job of portraying presidential-iness, i.e. looking presidential. GWB's fake bubba-talk completely misses that sincere, fatherly tone, and I was always amazed that he was taken seriously. Put him in a biker bar, and they'd throw him back out.

We don't have the Reagan of the left, although Martin Luther King might be an excellent model. He provides inspiration and invokes the culture of liberalism.

Talk of Obama in that role falls short. I do think that he is trying to create a new tone for a new politics and a new generation, but the political terrain he is trying to occupy ignores exactly the points Paul raises in this diary. Secondly, you can't talk in cultural metaphor or codewords if the liberal framework is not constructed in the public mind. (In either the Gramscian or Lakoffian sense).


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It's So Nice To Know That Someone's Getting The Big Picture Here (0.00 / 0)
But I suspect that just means you had it all along.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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the real big picture (0.00 / 0)
this is all interesting work, but with respect to your agenda of pricking Obama's balloon:

If Obama is successful as President it will have nothing to do with how he ran his campaign.  After election day the campaign is forgotten, unless he makes specific "read my lips" promises.

But his supporters aren't making this argument, they're making the campaign rhetoric literalism argument.  And you are making its counter.  Both are wrong.

This is all so much brainwanking. With respect to choosing candidates, I can't believe you can't see that you're twisting yourself into gymnastics for no reason at all.

But pricking balloons is good. Problem is, this blog is in one, with its founders sure that they can know things that can't be known.


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You Could Be Right, But (0.00 / 0)
The campaign is the best imaginable time to do the heavy lifting that's needed to prepare the way for big change, and Obama's way of conducting that campaign seems seriously lacking in terms of fighting a culture war in the Gramscian sense.

Just to take a very mundane example: by its very nature, talk of a post-partisan politics is inherently at odds with trying to sweep into power a strong contingent of new Democrats in the House and Senate to help pass his agenda in the face of quite predictable opposition.

On a more abstract level, he doesn't appear to be laying very effective rhetorical groundwork, either.  Not effective for getting anything major done, that is.  It's therapuetically effective.  It can make people feel good.  But that's for cheerleaders like Bush and Lott.  That's not for quarterbacks.  It's not for actually moving the ball downfield.

So, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on how Obama might deal with these problems that he's actually creating for himself.

He could, I suppose, express sadness and disappointment at who the GOP has chosen, and regretfully go strongly on the offensive.  But that seems unlikely.  Other than that, I've got nothing.

How about you?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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reply (0.00 / 0)
re: your 1st paragraph, yes....but he's boxed out on this by Edwards.  Somebody else has that ground.  Also, who says we *need* a culture war?  People's minds change - they're not like us poli-nerds. 

"its very nature, talk of a post-partisan politics is inherently at odds with trying to sweep into power a strong contingent of new Democrats in the House and Senate...."  I may agree, but maybe not.  Depends how strong he runs in general, if he has coattails.  So you may be right.  But the perfect is the enemy of the good.  I'm not saying Obama is perfect, but god, the talk about how he's a disaster in the making is crazy.

I'm really not sure what you're asking me.  Messaging strategies?  Obama can insist he's been nonpartisan....and then go ahead and be partisan.  he's ID'ing himself in the public mind with nonpartisanship....and that will make it harder for future accusations of partisanship to stick. He can create a fake partis He can also "have people over at the table," then when he's not satisfied with the result, ignore the bad actors, do whatever he wants, and declare any policy result a victory however he wants.  He can have a new SS commission with conservatives on it (oh, the horror), and then ignore their rec's to dismantle or privatize, and then just raise the payroll tax like all liberals, and declare victory. 

If he loses congress? well, any D president would be forced into Clinton-triangulation defensive strategy at that point, so that's moot. 

People think Obama has boxed himself in, and he hasn't at all. It's all symbolism.  Talk that Edwards really would stick it to the man is just talk.  He'd sit down with the corporations. So all this blogoblather is silly. 

if i didn't answer your question, let me know


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I Don't Think You Understand What I'm Trying To Talk About (0.00 / 0)
First, the easy part:

re: your 1st paragraph, yes....but he's boxed out on this by Edwards.  Somebody else has that ground.

Everybody outside of Versailles hates the Republicans.  There's plenty of territory out there to stake a claim to.  And even if there were not, who's fault is it that he's been talking this Liebertalk ever since he joined the Senate?

Now the real nitty-gritty:

Also, who says we *need* a culture war?  People's minds change - they're not like us poli-nerds.

We already have a culture war, have had one for 30+ years.  The only problem is that only one side is fighting.  That's the #1 reason we've been losing.  And by "culture war," I mean the way that Gramsci defined it--as a "war of position" for cultural hegemony;

The analysis of hegemony (or "rule") was formulated by Antonio Gramsci to explain why predicted communist revolutions had not occurred where they were most expected, in industrialized Europe. Marx and his followers had advanced the theory that the rise of industrial capitalism would create a huge working class and cyclical economic recessions. These recessions and other contradictions of capitalism would lead the overwhelming masses of people, the workers, to develop organizations for self-defense, including labor unions and political parties. Further recessions and contradictions would then spark the working class to overthrow capitalism in a revolution, restructure the economic, political, and social institutions on rational socialist models, and begin the transition towards an eventual communist society. In Marxian terms, the dialectically changing economic base of society would determine the cultural and political superstructure. Although Marx and Engels had famously predicted this eschatological scenario in 1848, many decades later the workers of the industrialized core still had not carried out the mission.

Gramsci argued that the failure of the workers to make an anti-capitalist revolution was due to the successful capture of the workers' ideology, self-understanding, and organizations by the hegemonic (ruling) culture. In other words, the perspective of the ruling class had been absorbed by the masses of workers. In "advanced" industrial societies hegemonic cultural innovations such as compulsory schooling, mass media, and popular culture had indoctrinated workers to a false consciousness. Instead of working towards a revolution that would truly serve their collective needs, workers in "advanced" societies were listening to the rhetoric of nationalist leaders, seeking consumer opportunities and middle-class status, embracing an individualist ethos of success through competition, and/or accepting the guidance of bourgeois religious leaders.

Gramsci therefore argued for a strategic distinction between a "war of position" and a "war of manoeuvre". The war of position is a culture war in which anti-capitalist elements seek to gain a dominant voice in mass media, mass organizations, and educational institutions to heighten class consciousness, teach revolutionary analysis and theory, and inspire revolutionary organization. Following the success of the war of position, communist leaders would be empowered to begin the war of manoeuvre, the actual insurrection against capitalism, with mass support.

Although the analysis of cultural domination was first advanced in terms of economic classes, it can be applied more broadly. Gramsci's analysis suggested that prevailing cultural norms should not be viewed as "natural" or "inevitable". Rather, cultural norms - including institutions, practices, beliefs - should be investigated for their roots in domination and their implications for liberation.

Gramsci did not contend that hegemony was either monolithic or unified. Instead, hegemony was portrayed as a complex layering of social structures. Each of these structures have their own "mission" and internal logic that allows its members to behave in a way that is different from those in different structures. Yet, as with an army, each of these structures assumes the existence of other structures and by virtue of their differing missions, is able to coalesce and produce a larger structure that has a larger overall mission. This larger mission usually is not exactly the same as the mission for each smaller structure, but it assumes and subsumes them. Hegemony works in the same manner. Each person lives their life in a way that is meaningful in their immediate setting, and, to this person the different parts of society may seem to have little in common with him. Yet taken as a whole, each person's life also contributes to the larger hegemony of the society. Diversity, variation, and free will seem to exist since most people see what they believe to be a plethora of different circumstances, but they miss the larger pattern of hegemony created by the coalescing of these circumstances. Through the existence of small and different circumstances, a larger and layered hegemony is maintained yet not fully recognized by many of the people who live within it. (See Prison Notebooks, pp. 233-38.)

In such a layered hegemony, individual common sense, which is fragmented, is effective in helping people deal with small, everyday activities. But common sense also inhibits their ability to grasp the larger systemic nature of exploitation and hegemony. People focus on immediate concerns and problems rather than focusing upon more fundamental sources of social oppression.[1]

So, yeah, people aren't policy wonks. Gramsci knew that.  That was the whole point.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I see, and have a reply. (0.00 / 0)
I don't think you're right about "hates".... what they don't like is Bush.  They don't really understand congress, in my experience.

My apologies for not getting the Gramsci.  A true War of Position would certainly take decades. 

But where I disagree is the last paragraph,..I think he has a different understanding of human nature than I do.  I don't believe that there is a "unified" common sense that is political.  I believe it is entirely "spiritual."  Anything other than a Buddhist argument to me would be unsatisfactory. So I am indeed arguing that it is "inevitable."  Sorry, Antonio.

In sum, I think Gramsci's yearning for what i would call unified common sense is pie in the sky.  (I think that he and Marx were brilliant yet just too idealistic.  They didn't have a conception of the universe as purposeful. They think humankind is perfectible.  I disagree.)


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he can do it (0.00 / 0)
Obama may be able to - if he is as charismatic as he himself and others think he is - create those frames over the course of an administration.

Edwards, in my view, also has this level of communications skill. 

Personality/celebrity can create a lot....


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Yes, But Rhetoric Alone Won't Do It (0.00 / 0)
You need political infrastructure.  And this is what the Democrats are still refusing to properly invest in.  Dean has changed some of that, focusing on developing on-the-ground resources, and God love him for it.  But here I'm talking specifically about the infrastructure for fighting a Gramscian culture war--and for that you need to be creating lean mean fighting machines all across the political landscape.

Hard to do while singing "Kumbayah".

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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agree fully (0.00 / 0)
agree fully
that is not to say what he would do down the road

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Another good and provocative diary! (0.00 / 0)
It has been said that most Americans are philosophically conservative and operationally liberal.  In other words, they espouse a belief in "limited government" but support  government benefits and programs, at least those that flow to the majority of Americans.  Bush's great undoing was to undermine much of the safety net through malevolence or incompetence, and when Katrina demonstrated the results, people decided maybe conservatism wasn't such a good idea.  In addition, much of the "small government" philosophy is really just keeping the government off people's backs.  Intrusions like Schiavo and all the screaming anti-gay and overly religious stuff is off-putting to a majority.  The only way the Bushies could finesse this has been to ratchet up the fear, so "protect me" becomes stronger than "leave me alone."

Huckabee may be an old-style tax-and-spend conservative, but he is also a religious zealot, and that isn't going to sit well with the "leave me alone" crowd.

Finally, I think some of it is just temperament.  It was always hard for me to believe that a majority really liked Bush's towel-snapping and his petulance, and the opinion polls have finally borne that out.  But they did like his butt-kicking, at least in the beginning, and a sizeable segment really doesn't like pointy-headed liberals who want to tell other people what to do.  Maybe the answer is just that nothing causes a loss of popularity quite as much as losing. 

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


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It's A LIttle More Subtle (0.00 / 0)
It has been said that most Americans are philosophically conservative and operationally liberal.

More Americans are philosophically conservative than are philosophically liberal, and most Americans are operationally liberal.  But there's "only" a significant minority who are both philosophically conservative and operationally liberal--a minority that's basically about half of all conservatives, depending on your definition.

As far as liking Bush goes, I just think the media did a really good job of spinning a total asshole as a loveable scamp, until it finally sunk in that a 60-year-old "scamp" is an asshole.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Essence of "Cultural Conservative"? (0.00 / 0)
The following phrase of yours sums up a huge piece of what I hear when Conservative politicians make  references to culture:

In addition, much of the "small government" philosophy is really just keeping the government off people's backs.

This resonates with a whole swath of American mythology and culture, and sort of ties together the whole Conservative framework, from the Big oil CEO to the working class truck driver, from the Ayn Rand libertarian to the yeoman farmer. There is sort of an emotional anarchism and ego identity in the concept of "I'm competent; it's just those damn ________ (Liberals, blacks, women, taxes, government, whatever) that are keeping me down."

I wonder if it wouldn't take only a slight shift to recast this in a more liberal frame: government as a creator of opportunity, rather than restrictions.


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There's A Psychological Component, Too, I Think (0.00 / 0)
We really need to devote some serious long-term attention to this.  It's quite obvious that government is essential for us to do much of anything, yet talking honestly and realistically seems to be politically inept at best.

One thought I have is that people have a very real, very deep-seated sense of their own helpless--which especially for men translates as impotence.  This, in turn, calls forth intense denial.  And so you have to be very sensitive in how you approach talking about this sort stuff.

It's a long-term project to do it right.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Also, its a crock (0.00 / 0)
Especially when coming from people who want to tell you who to marry, when and with whom you can have sex, what you have to do if conception results, whether you can end the artificially maintained life of bread-dead loved ones, and how, or if all, you can worship.  That's what I meant.  There is a fundamental fault-line we can exploit between religious/cultural zealots and true "leave me alone" conservatives, if we have the wit to do so.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

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The "Government" is both of these: (0.00 / 0)
"I wonder if it wouldn't take only a slight shift to recast this in a more liberal frame: government as a creator of opportunity, rather than restrictions."

The "government" gives with one hand, and takes with the other.  It as much creates opportunity, as it imposes restriction.  This is as it should be - and it is up to those who comprise the "government" to see that the balance struck is satisfying to most of the citizens.

Who comprises this "government", anyway?  Its OF, FOR, and BY the citizens, ain't it?  To the extent that any one of us can concieve of a "government" that exists beyond the collective will and effort of the citizens - then that "government" has gotten out of control.  To the extent that OUR modern US "government" can take actions that are not in the interest of the bulk of the citizens, then the first question to ask is: in whose interests does this "government" act - becuase therein you will find the despoilers of our democracy.



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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True, But... (0.00 / 0)
The rationale of liberal democracy, from Locke's Social Contract, is that the restrictions do not touch on essential matters, but rather serve to secure basic liberties that otherwise are constantly in peril.

This conception is advanced by later developments, as the course of progress broke down class barriers and restrictions far more than Locke could have imagined.  We now think it just that a person born into poverty should have the opportunity to be President, for example.  There is, more generally, a positive imperative to remove arbitrary impediments, and provide opportunities for advancement.  This has significant roots that go back far into our past, but has gained signifant force over the last century or so.

I make this point because it has to do with the "liberal" part of our being a liberal democracy.  This stands against (not necessarily opposed to, but like a measuring stick) the potentially simplistic reference to striking a balance that is "satisfying to most of the citizens."  While most citizens may have been satisfied with segregation, for example, it was never just or justifiable under liberal democratic principles.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Sure, that's part of the balance (0.00 / 0)
Segregation ended - to the extent that is has ended - when that particular "solution" to our race issues became intolerable for enough of the citizens began to become dysatisfied with it and "demanded" change - or at least, stopped activity fighting against change.

My point was to remind folks that WE are the government that these posts and responses so often discuss as a kind of separate entity - as if the government were IMPOSED upon us.  Indeed, if the government begins to feel like an imposition - its time to change the government.

As I read your most recent analyses - you are pointing out that the polarization that appears to characterize the MSPs has no basis in the reality of the citizens that comprise those parties.  To the extent that the MSPs control our government, this situation suggests that the "government" is as divided as the MSPs, and thus dose not reflect the "will" of the people.  I tend to think that this situation is created and promoted by the MSPs - because it helps to maintain the hegonomy of the PARTIES - not because its "good" for our American experiment with representational democracy. 

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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I know this isn't really on (4.00 / 1)
You're diary's topic but those numbers and all the numbers proving that Americans are far more progressive then their government just further convince me of the need for the progressive movement to focus more on systematic issues like public financing of elections and media reform. We might win some battles here and there but without those kind of systematic changes I don't see how we are going to really change our country in a progressive way.

The radical conservatives have been able to use messaging and the system to move the political debate far away from the reality of Americans and basic fact.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


Oh, I Agree Completely! (0.00 / 0)
We need to get people into the mode of thinking about the same sorts of systemic "process reforms," regardless of what their primary substantive issues may be.

Or, as folks like Robert McChesney put it, "Whatever your number one issue is, media reform needs to be your number two issue."

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I thought that was (0.00 / 0)
Michael Copps. But that is a great quote.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

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Where Do You Think Michael Copps Got It From??? (0.00 / 0)
Actually, I'm not sure who said it first. McChesney is the first I can remember hearing it from, back in the mid-90s IIRC.

John Nichols has said it a lot since then, too.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I sometimes think media reform is overrated (0.00 / 0)
I think that liberals have been really, really bad at interacting with the media due to some romantic notion of how the press is supposed to work because of Woodward and Bernstein.  I'm not saying that media reform is unnecessary, just that even if it occurs, the left will still be less effective at getting out its message.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

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Oh, Certainly! (4.00 / 1)
I might word it a bit differently.  Not that media reform is over-rated, but that the problems we face are under-estimated.  But it comes to much the same thing.

This is part of my argument about hegemony.  The Democrats need to do much, much more than simply breaking up large media holdings, increasing local control and diversifying ownership.  They need to engage in a systematic Gramscian "culture war," which involves a struggle for control of all the major institutions of society, and learning to communicate better is an integral part of that.

What holds liberals back is not simply a romantic notion of how the press is supposed to work--though that's certainly a part of it.  But liberals also have a romantic notion about the marketplace of ideas.  Meanwhile, conservatives know damn well that marketplaces are for suckers.  Monopolies are where it's at.  So only one side is trying to monopilize control of cultural institutions.

It's really not very hard to tell how that's going to turn out.  All we have to do is look at the last 27 years: Three GOP Presidents engaged in high crimes and misdemeanors, and one Dem President impeached for lying about sex.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Market places aren't for suckers (0.00 / 0)
They are for people who can rig the market to their advantage.  That's what they do. 

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

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Actually the 'Free Market' comes with a built in... (0.00 / 0)
...bias as the economists  Epstein and Axtell demonstrated with their computer modeling 'Sugarscape'. The one's that 'rig' the market do so by being rich. Nothing more is needed to stay rich and get richer faster than everybody else is to start out that way.

That old 'bell curve' showing the distribution of wealth in an idealized free market turns out to be a power curve. xn which ends up with a tiny fraction of uber-wealthy and a whole lot of poverty stricken peasants. Unless....

You regulate and tax that market.

Clinton and Obama, along with the ReThugs, are beating a pair of dead economic horses called 'trickle down theory' and 'fair trade' which just makes things worse. No 'working the margins' nor bi-partisanship Kumbaya can long conceal the simple fact that the government is transferring wealth to the rich and that this destroys the rather successful economic model Keynes and FDR cobbled together.

And....

The U.S. is no longer in sole possession of the only intact manufacturing complex on the planet.

Both these things can be the wellspring of change and sustainable growth but now with 'leaders' who think voting for CAFTA is the solution.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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Abortion (0.00 / 0)
Having choices of "always", "sometimes," and "never" for the abortion question strikes me as supremely unuseful.  Someone who believes that abortion should be legal only in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the life of the mother would probably answer 'sometimes."  Someone who believed in parental notification for pregnant minors (some 70-80% of the population, according to polls, with those wanting full-blown parental permission barely less) and no other restrictions might also go for the middle options.  The ANES, which I'm more familiar with uses a four-point scale asking more or less if abortion should be always legal, mostly legal, mostly illegal, or always illegal.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

ANES And GSS Are Both Available Through A Common Interface (0.00 / 0)
Here.

I understand the value of legacy polling questions, but it really is frustrating that significant improvements in polling methodology involving question formation and evalation have been so slow to disperse.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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